Should Splinter die?

~~electric_sheep~~ · 05-14-2014, 05:15 AM

Splinter's main goal and the reason for training the turtles (In mirage at least)
is so that they can one day find and take revenge on Oroku saki. Now i like Splinter, he's an awesome charachter but wouldn't it make more sense if he bit the dust? Turtles would realise that revenge is not the way to go and that splinter's grudge cost him his life which would send them on the road of becoming real heroes. Or is that way to classic superhero cliche?
Also if a ninja loses his master is he a Ronin or is that only Samurai thing?

*Powder* · 05-14-2014, 05:59 AM

He did die, in the Mirage comics. Vol. 4 #'s 10/11.

Kanon · 05-14-2014, 06:02 AM

Ninja families care about each other and their no.1 rule is to get back alive.
I can`t imagine how they would react if Splinter really dies because of the
sad expressions they made in the first movie when Splinter was kidnapped.

*TheBlueTurtle1* · 05-14-2014, 06:03 AM

There is 2 ways of looking at it. The turtles are Teenagers and need constant direction and guidance, just like anyone else heading towards adult hood. So having Splinter around adds relatability, as a viewer/reader.

The other way I guess, is Splinters death would allow deeper darker stories, and viewing the turtles struggling/brooding without a gardian would be interesting.

It's a hard toss up between the 2.

*Shark_Blade* · 05-14-2014, 06:50 AM

When Splinter died in Mirage, everything went downhill and dull.

When Splinter died in Same As It Never Was in 2k3, same thing.

So, no; he shouldn't. That would be hella lame.

*Netkeeper* · 05-14-2014, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Shark_Blade

When Splinter died in Same As It Never Was in 2k3, same thing.

I wouldn't consider SAINW 'dull'. Like, did you even watch the episode.

*oldmanwinters* · 05-14-2014, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Powder

He did die, in the Mirage comics. Vol. 4 #'s 10/11.

But wait! No we're told that it wasn't what we thought!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfhBM_Yay6w

*Shark_Blade* · 05-14-2014, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Netkeeper

I wouldn't consider SAINW 'dull'. Like, did you even watch the episode.

It kinda was for me, only thing fascinating were the turtles' deaths.

NoName999 · 05-14-2014, 08:53 AM

I vaguely remember having this book based on the OT where Master Splinter died and the turtles saw his image in a campfire like in the first movie and there was a part where Leo trained with his brothers by fighting them blindfolded.

xChri5x · 05-14-2014, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by NoName999

I vaguely remember having this book based on the OT where Master Splinter died and the turtles saw his image in a campfire like in the first movie and there was a part where Leo trained with his brothers by fighting them blindfolded.

The movie comic adaptation.

*BubblyShell22* · 05-14-2014, 09:10 AM

No way. Splinter is an integral part of the TMNT universe and it wouldn't be the same without him. Granted, no one lives forever, but I wouldn't want him to be killed off permanently at this moment. I would like to see an alternate future story where he does pass and the Turtles have to deal with not having him around.

*Powder* · 05-14-2014, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by xChri5x

The movie comic adaptation.

Right, but he didn't die. He was captured, like in the film.

xChri5x · 05-14-2014, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Powder

Right, but he didn't die. He was captured, like in the film.

I know, but the dying part is probably being mis-remembered.

*Powder* · 05-14-2014, 09:28 AM

I know you know, I'm just making it clear to Noname999.

*Coola Yagami* · 05-14-2014, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by TheBlueTurtle1

There is 2 ways of looking at it. The turtles are Teenagers and need constant direction and guidance, just like anyone else heading towards adult hood. So having Splinter around adds relatability, as a viewer/reader.

The other way I guess, is Splinters death would allow deeper darker stories, and viewing the turtles struggling/brooding without a gardian would be interesting.

It's a hard toss up between the 2.

You forget when splinter died the turtles were well into their thirties and weren't really living with him anymore. They were past the point of guidance at this time.

*plastroncafe* · 05-14-2014, 10:19 AM

At some point, yes.
Because everyone dies, and because no story is made better by stagnation.

Garreth · 05-14-2014, 11:02 AM

If Splinter died, Raph would turn super sayian

~~electric_sheep~~ · 05-14-2014, 11:37 AM

I think that that many of you have missed the point of what i was tring to say. Should splinter die as a result of training the turtles to kill Oroku Saki?
At the end he would't be right, he would be only an old man with a grudge which would eventualy lead him to his grave, i think that would leave the turtles in the interesting place.

Kingoji · 05-14-2014, 11:41 AM

Splinter shouldn't die for the sake of dying, IMO. If it were to happen, it should be to signal a permanent shift in the direction of the stories. If he were to die and we had a while of stories where the brothers struggle to cope with his loss, but then gradually become business as usual *minus Splinter* then that's a waste of a perfectly good character. We've seen the Turtles on a number of occasions be reminded of Splinter's mortality, and how they've reacted to that has been interesting enough without going whole hog.
It would also run the risk of someone coming along later and realizing that the book/show has lost an essential dynamic since his death, and steps would be taken to reverse it (I'm reminded specifically of when Aunt May died back in the 90's after having an open final heart to heart with Peter which retroactively made everything she ever was magnitudes more interesting, only for another writer to come along a year or so later and bring her back, claiming that the May who died wasn't actually May but a genetically modified actor planted by the Green Goblin. Ugh).

Matches Malone · 05-14-2014, 05:56 PM

Ciro Nieli's original pitch (as revealed in one of the shellshocked podcasts) was to have Splinter already dead and he would appear primarily in flashbacks. I think this would be super interesting, and if he does die in any TMNT incarnation, I think it would be great to use this idea. It would work on the emotional development front as well as keep him in the picture.

Tangent: I was definitely bummed when Giles was booted from the regular cast in the last two seasons of Buffy! He was the greatest!

05-14-2014, 05:15 AM	#1
~~electric_sheep~~ Banned Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 1,639	Should Splinter die? Splinter's main goal and the reason for training the turtles (In mirage at least) is so that they can one day find and take revenge on Oroku saki. Now i like Splinter, he's an awesome charachter but wouldn't it make more sense if he bit the dust? Turtles would realise that revenge is not the way to go and that splinter's grudge cost him his life which would send them on the road of becoming real heroes. Or is that way to classic superhero cliche? Also if a ninja loses his master is he a Ronin or is that only Samurai thing?

05-14-2014, 06:02 AM	#3
Kanon Stone Warrior Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Germany Posts: 560	Ninja families care about each other and their no.1 rule is to get back alive. I can`t imagine how they would react if Splinter really dies because of the sad expressions they made in the first movie when Splinter was kidnapped. __________________ "The enemy of my enemy is my bro!"

05-14-2014, 06:03 AM	#4
TheBlueTurtle1 Foot Elite Join Date: May 2012 Location: UK Posts: 2,892	There is 2 ways of looking at it. The turtles are Teenagers and need constant direction and guidance, just like anyone else heading towards adult hood. So having Splinter around adds relatability, as a viewer/reader. The other way I guess, is Splinters death would allow deeper darker stories, and viewing the turtles struggling/brooding without a gardian would be interesting. It's a hard toss up between the 2. __________________ http://jandmdev.deviantart.com/ (My Brother and I have a dev page, I am J, brother is M)

05-14-2014, 08:53 AM	#9
NoName999 Foot Soldier Join Date: May 2014 Location: The Void Posts: 191	I vaguely remember having this book based on the OT where Master Splinter died and the turtles saw his image in a campfire like in the first movie and there was a part where Leo trained with his brothers by fighting them blindfolded. __________________

05-14-2014, 09:10 AM	#11
BubblyShell22 Leo-holic Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 16,912	No way. Splinter is an integral part of the TMNT universe and it wouldn't be the same without him. Granted, no one lives forever, but I wouldn't want him to be killed off permanently at this moment. I would like to see an alternate future story where he does pass and the Turtles have to deal with not having him around. __________________ "A warrior who never fails, never learns."-The Ancient One. "Embrace your inner a**holiness."-Mr. Anderson.

05-14-2014, 05:59 AM	#2
Powder 40 Years of TMNT Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Shell-Ri-La Posts: 26,954	He did die, in the Mirage comics. Vol. 4 #'s 10/11.

05-14-2014, 06:50 AM	#5
Shark_Blade Emperor Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 7,909	When Splinter died in Mirage, everything went downhill and dull. When Splinter died in Same As It Never Was in 2k3, same thing. So, no; he shouldn't. That would be hella lame.

05-14-2014, 09:28 AM	#14
Powder 40 Years of TMNT Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Shell-Ri-La Posts: 26,954	I know you know, I'm just making it clear to Noname999.

05-14-2014, 11:02 AM	#17
Garreth Foot Soldier Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Australia Posts: 139	If Splinter died, Raph would turn super sayian

05-14-2014, 11:37 AM	#18
~~electric_sheep~~ Banned Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 1,639	I think that that many of you have missed the point of what i was tring to say. Should splinter die as a result of training the turtles to kill Oroku Saki? At the end he would't be right, he would be only an old man with a grudge which would eventualy lead him to his grave, i think that would leave the turtles in the interesting place.

05-14-2014, 11:41 AM	#19
Kingoji Hench Mutant Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 319	Splinter shouldn't die for the sake of dying, IMO. If it were to happen, it should be to signal a permanent shift in the direction of the stories. If he were to die and we had a while of stories where the brothers struggle to cope with his loss, but then gradually become business as usual minus Splinter then that's a waste of a perfectly good character. We've seen the Turtles on a number of occasions be reminded of Splinter's mortality, and how they've reacted to that has been interesting enough without going whole hog. It would also run the risk of someone coming along later and realizing that the book/show has lost an essential dynamic since his death, and steps would be taken to reverse it (I'm reminded specifically of when Aunt May died back in the 90's after having an open final heart to heart with Peter which retroactively made everything she ever was magnitudes more interesting, only for another writer to come along a year or so later and bring her back, claiming that the May who died wasn't actually May but a genetically modified actor planted by the Green Goblin. Ugh).

05-14-2014, 05:56 PM	#20
Matches Malone Stone Warrior Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: California Posts: 954	Ciro Nieli's original pitch (as revealed in one of the shellshocked podcasts) was to have Splinter already dead and he would appear primarily in flashbacks. I think this would be super interesting, and if he does die in any TMNT incarnation, I think it would be great to use this idea. It would work on the emotional development front as well as keep him in the picture. Tangent: I was definitely bummed when Giles was booted from the regular cast in the last two seasons of Buffy! He was the greatest! __________________ "Baxter, you slime puppy!"