What if Shredder got replaced with a new villain?

LordShredder · 05-19-2014, 12:21 AM

Say after the current cartoon series a new series with the same animation and feel as TMNT 2003 was made but with a different story line. The story line being that the Turtles are already having adventures and battling Shredder, Baxter Stockman, and Krang.

The first half of the season introduces a new friend to the turtles whose like a detective or some other form of Law Enforcement or at least someone with a military background. This person starts out as a friend to the Turtles until the "final" showdown with Shredder, Baxter Stockman and Krang where they all get sucked into Dimension X seemingly for good.

Everything looks good and everyone is happy until this new friend suffers a personal loss that was indirectly because of the Turtles. Like Shredder kidnapped his family and they got sucked into Dimension X with the rest of the bad guys when the Turtles opened the portal. To make matters worse this friend turned enemy gets exposed to mutagen and becomes like the Dragon Lord (a nickname given to him by the news/media) except instead of a dragon army he uses mutagen to create an army of mutants (that also dwell in the sewers) with Beepbop and Rocksteady as leading generals.

How would you react to such a change in a TMNT cartoon?

*CyberCubed* · 05-19-2014, 12:26 AM

Don't they eventually do this in every TMNT incarnation? Shredder was already replaced in every series:

- Original toon replaced him with Lord Dregg

- 4kids series replaced Ch'rell with Bishop and Karai, then Demon Shredder, then Shoko'nbo, than Viral as Cyber Shredder.

- Archie TMNT Adventures wrote Shredder out as the main villain pretty early and he had recurring roles after. Pretty much replaced by Malinga, Null, Armaggon, Verminator-X, etc.

- Mirage killed him off in the very first issue.

- Movies killed him off after the second movie for new villains

The only ones that haven't done this yet are Nick and IDW, and that's only because they're still new.

*shuriken* · 05-19-2014, 12:27 AM

It depends on the execution.

*Shark_Blade* · 05-19-2014, 01:06 AM

I agree, depends on the execution. So far we have failed attempts:
- those un-intimidating stone generals
- lame alien Ch'rell in 2k3 (or whatever way you spell his dull name)

Instant flops. If they can do something dark and pose a legitimate threat to the turtles, then good. Something like The Rat King in 2k12 was great execution-wise. Very dark and gritty.

Imagine if they create a villain, someone like Hannibal Lecter (a serial killer and a cannibal).

If they want to confine it in the comics only, then so be it. TMNT shouldn't be kid oriented only, they should ante up the serious factor. I mean Batman was pretty tame in the beginning but it got darker gradually and now the graphic novels are entertaining to read even for serious adults (see: "A Killing Joke" or "Arkham Asylum" books, they're twisted as ****).

*Netkeeper* · 05-19-2014, 03:24 AM

This thread turned into fanfiction really quick.

~~electric_sheep~~ · 05-19-2014, 03:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Shark_Blade

I agree, depends on the execution. So far we have failed attempts:
- those un-intimidating stone generals
- lame alien Ch'rell in 2k3 (or whatever way you spell his dull name)

Instant flops. If they can do something dark and pose a legitimate threat to the turtles, then good. Something like The Rat King in 2k12 was great execution-wise. Very dark and gritty.

Imagine if they create a villain, someone like Hannibal Lecter (a serial killer and a cannibal).

http://i.imgur.com/D33JFWS.jpg

If they want to confine it in the comics only, then so be it. TMNT shouldn't be kid oriented only, they should ante up the serious factor. I mean Batman was pretty tame in the beginning but it got darker gradually and now the graphic novels are entertaining to read even for serious adults (see: "A Killing Joke" or "Arkham Asylum" books, they're twisted as ****).

So basicly what i said in the other thread. I want TMNT to fight a deer mutant serial killer in a trenchcoat.
Also IDW is getting more and more kid friendly and i ****ing hate that, when they started it was bloody and violent and now the've changed deigns to look like nick one's and they changed the personalities and Donnie sudenly has crazy devices at the endy of City Fall, i quit reading...

I sketched this in about 5 minutes to see how it would look and yeah, it's crappy...
I had a image in my head of a serial killer deer that i thought it would be creepy, picked it up that somwhere, maybe in a dream, i don't remeber and obviously it wouldn't work...

~~electric_sheep~~ · 05-19-2014, 04:38 PM

actually i subconsciously stole it from Hannibal

Spoiler:

NoName999 · 05-19-2014, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by shuriken

It depends on the execution.

And the villain

*Shark_Blade* · 05-19-2014, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by electric_sheep

actually i subconsciously stole it from Hannibal

Spoiler:

Oh yeah, that demon deer creature. That'd be interesting indeed.

*turtlefanforever* · 05-19-2014, 06:35 PM

I'd like a series with Kronos as the main villain. That dude's perfect. He's like clock king, the joker, and the riddler wrapped into one.

*Shark_Blade* · 05-19-2014, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by turtlefanforever

I'd like a series with Kronos as the main villain. That dude's perfect. He's like clock king, the joker, and the riddler wrapped into one.

I googled Kronos but couldn't find anything.

Who is he? Is that even the right spelling or is it Chronos?

*CyberCubed* · 05-19-2014, 06:41 PM

He is in the Season 9 episode.

*pennydreadful* · 05-20-2014, 04:30 AM

I'm probably kind of boring - Shredder/Oroko Saki has always been my favourite villain. But a new villain or a revamped version of an existing villain could definitely bring something interesting to the table as a Shredder replacement - as other posters have said, it'd really depend on the execution, and the context in which they did it.

It'd be ace if we could one day have an animated Turtles movie in the vein of some of the darker DC-Animated films that've come out - it'd be a great way to incorporate a new villain and have a darker and more violent portrayal of the Turtles (as well as having them in their red masks for the duration). It probably won't ever happen, but hope springs eternal!

*Xav* · 05-20-2014, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

- 4kids series replaced Ch'rell with Bishop and Karai, then Demon Shredder, then Shoko'nbo, than Viral as Cyber Shredder.

Cyber Shredder was just Ch'rell's mine in a different body, and Karai and Demon Shredder, were just variants of Shredder. Fast Forward was the only season that didn't have some form of Shredder as a main villain.

*CyberCubed* · 05-20-2014, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Xav

Cyber Shredder was just Ch'rell's mine in a different body, and Karai and Demon Shredder, were just variants of Shredder. Fast Forward was the only season that didn't have some form of Shredder as a main villain.

Regardless Shredder was not in Season 4 at all aside from the dream episode. He was clearly gone after Season 3 until Turtles Forever.

While Season 5 did being him back as the true Shredder, I see Viral as completely different

*Xav* · 05-20-2014, 06:21 PM

Well technically Karai did become Shredder. But I do consider her a different character. Same with Demon Shredder. Well of course Viral is completely different. But I don't consider Cyber Shredder to be Viral. He looked like Shredder, sounded like Shredder, had memories of a previous Shredder, and had the word Shredder in his name. So I think he counts as Shredder. Regardless the show did have different main villains. It's just that most of them were other characters taking on the Shredder title.

*Luckyday* · 05-20-2014, 07:49 PM

I always find Bishop to be an interesting villain replacement or maybe an antagonist to the turtles since he represents everything that they fear from being expose to humans and the very reason why they need to hide their existence. They can do a whole season of them being on the run from the government.

Dirty Blond · 05-20-2014, 08:17 PM

Just keep Shredder. Don't get cute trying to find something else.

*Xav* · 05-20-2014, 10:31 PM

Why not? There have to be some other villains who could hold a season besides Shredder.

*Cipher* · 05-20-2014, 10:34 PM

What would happen if Shredder got replaced?

Man, I don't know. That'd be crazy! They'd have to bring in, like, the head businesswoman of the Japanese foot, I guess. Or an alien warlord posing as a benefactor to Earth. Or an intergalactic hive queen. Or a demonic businessman. Or a mutant shark. Or an ancient dragon lord. Or a space myth bent on assimilating Earth. Or, or, or ...

But that'll never happen.

05-19-2014, 12:21 AM	#1
LordShredder Random Punk Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 23	What if Shredder got replaced with a new villain? Say after the current cartoon series a new series with the same animation and feel as TMNT 2003 was made but with a different story line. The story line being that the Turtles are already having adventures and battling Shredder, Baxter Stockman, and Krang. The first half of the season introduces a new friend to the turtles whose like a detective or some other form of Law Enforcement or at least someone with a military background. This person starts out as a friend to the Turtles until the "final" showdown with Shredder, Baxter Stockman and Krang where they all get sucked into Dimension X seemingly for good. Everything looks good and everyone is happy until this new friend suffers a personal loss that was indirectly because of the Turtles. Like Shredder kidnapped his family and they got sucked into Dimension X with the rest of the bad guys when the Turtles opened the portal. To make matters worse this friend turned enemy gets exposed to mutagen and becomes like the Dragon Lord (a nickname given to him by the news/media) except instead of a dragon army he uses mutagen to create an army of mutants (that also dwell in the sewers) with Beepbop and Rocksteady as leading generals. How would you react to such a change in a TMNT cartoon?

05-19-2014, 12:27 AM	#3
shuriken Second City Shinobi Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Chi-town Posts: 4,182	It depends on the execution. __________________ Some things are better left unsaid. This isn't one of them

05-19-2014, 03:24 AM	#5
Netkeeper tactical blackquill Join Date: May 2014 Location: Texas, but not for much longer Posts: 3,645	This thread turned into fanfiction really quick. __________________

05-19-2014, 06:35 PM	#10
turtlefanforever Foot Elite Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 3,098	It always happens I'd like a series with Kronos as the main villain. That dude's perfect. He's like clock king, the joker, and the riddler wrapped into one.

05-19-2014, 12:26 AM	#2
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,870	Don't they eventually do this in every TMNT incarnation? Shredder was already replaced in every series: - Original toon replaced him with Lord Dregg - 4kids series replaced Ch'rell with Bishop and Karai, then Demon Shredder, then Shoko'nbo, than Viral as Cyber Shredder. - Archie TMNT Adventures wrote Shredder out as the main villain pretty early and he had recurring roles after. Pretty much replaced by Malinga, Null, Armaggon, Verminator-X, etc. - Mirage killed him off in the very first issue. - Movies killed him off after the second movie for new villains The only ones that haven't done this yet are Nick and IDW, and that's only because they're still new.

05-19-2014, 01:06 AM	#4
Shark_Blade Emperor Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 7,909	I agree, depends on the execution. So far we have failed attempts: - those un-intimidating stone generals - lame alien Ch'rell in 2k3 (or whatever way you spell his dull name) Instant flops. If they can do something dark and pose a legitimate threat to the turtles, then good. Something like The Rat King in 2k12 was great execution-wise. Very dark and gritty. Imagine if they create a villain, someone like Hannibal Lecter (a serial killer and a cannibal). If they want to confine it in the comics only, then so be it. TMNT shouldn't be kid oriented only, they should ante up the serious factor. I mean Batman was pretty tame in the beginning but it got darker gradually and now the graphic novels are entertaining to read even for serious adults (see: "A Killing Joke" or "Arkham Asylum" books, they're twisted as ****).

05-19-2014, 04:38 PM	#7
~~electric_sheep~~ Banned Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 1,639	actually i subconsciously stole it from Hannibal Spoiler:

05-19-2014, 06:41 PM	#12
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,870	He is in the Season 9 episode.

05-20-2014, 04:30 AM	#13
pennydreadful trash Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Australia Posts: 4,546	I'm probably kind of boring - Shredder/Oroko Saki has always been my favourite villain. But a new villain or a revamped version of an existing villain could definitely bring something interesting to the table as a Shredder replacement - as other posters have said, it'd really depend on the execution, and the context in which they did it. It'd be ace if we could one day have an animated Turtles movie in the vein of some of the darker DC-Animated films that've come out - it'd be a great way to incorporate a new villain and have a darker and more violent portrayal of the Turtles (as well as having them in their red masks for the duration). It probably won't ever happen, but hope springs eternal!

05-20-2014, 06:21 PM	#16
Xav Foot Elite Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 3,045	Well technically Karai did become Shredder. But I do consider her a different character. Same with Demon Shredder. Well of course Viral is completely different. But I don't consider Cyber Shredder to be Viral. He looked like Shredder, sounded like Shredder, had memories of a previous Shredder, and had the word Shredder in his name. So I think he counts as Shredder. Regardless the show did have different main villains. It's just that most of them were other characters taking on the Shredder title.

05-20-2014, 08:17 PM	#18
Dirty Blond Stone Warrior Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 827	Just keep Shredder. Don't get cute trying to find something else.

05-20-2014, 10:31 PM	#19
Xav Foot Elite Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 3,045	Why not? There have to be some other villains who could hold a season besides Shredder.

05-20-2014, 10:34 PM	#20
Cipher Foot Elite Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 3,454	What would happen if Shredder got replaced? Man, I don't know. That'd be crazy! They'd have to bring in, like, the head businesswoman of the Japanese foot, I guess. Or an alien warlord posing as a benefactor to Earth. Or an intergalactic hive queen. Or a demonic businessman. Or a mutant shark. Or an ancient dragon lord. Or a space myth bent on assimilating Earth. Or, or, or ... But that'll never happen.