How memorable will the villains be?

BlisterStockboy · 07-01-2014, 12:06 AM

When you think back to the OT, you can't help but think of the villains. They were all unique, and they each had their own different way of talking (in terms of both pitch and overall voice).

If someone asked you to do an impression of Krang, you would all naturally start changing the pitch of your voice from high to low mid-sentence. If someone mentions Bebop and Rocksteady, you would all instantly lower your voices and sound like you were a four year old (plus adding some grunts)

But if someone asked you to do an impression of Dogpound.. What would you even do? I think that there are too many villains, and not many of them are too memorable.

Part of a great villain is the design of the character, and the voice. The voice has to be memorable, and it has to fit the design well. I feel like this was pretty much mastered in the OT, but not particularly with the Nickelodeon show.

Years from now when this young generation of Turtles fans are talking amongst themselves, which villains do you think they will bring up? Maybe Tiger Claw, 'cause he seems like this show's Boba Fett. Thoughts?

*ssjup81* · 07-01-2014, 12:29 AM

Hm, yeah you're right. The villains were pretty memorable for the OT series, minus the gangsters and mad scientists. Leatherhead of the OT series had such a cool Cajun accent....then again I'm showing my Jim Cummings bias. lol

Maybe for the Nick series, they'll remember...um...I guess Tigerclaw, but only because he's badass. Maybe the Ratking?

Wow, I can't even pick one. Like you said about the OT, they were all pretty...unique in some ways, especially those like Shredder (you had to love his insults, albeit cheesy), Krang, Rocksteady, Bebop, Rat King, Leatherhead, etc.

*CyberCubed* · 07-01-2014, 12:32 AM

I think Tiger Claw, Dogpound, and Fishface will be the most remembered new villains for this show, unless you count, "The Kraang" as separate from Krang and the Utroms.

All the other mutants will likely be forgotten about, just like the 4kids created villains that nobody brings up anymore outside Hun or Bishop.

The 4kids series is actually a perfect example as most of its unique characters have been forgotten, I expect most of the Nick mutants to follow suit,

*Powder* · 07-01-2014, 01:04 AM

I can do a sweet Dogpound impression, get outta heeeere.

saintsaucey · 07-01-2014, 01:55 AM

I think the character designs on these villains are much better than the ones from the original cartoon. Minuss, Bebob, Rocksteady and maybe Baxter.

*Electric* · 07-01-2014, 03:19 AM

I think you're focusing too much on voices. Don't get me wrong, voices are important, but just because these villains don't have an easily distinguishable voice, doesn't mean they aren't memorable. Impressions aren't the only way characters are memorable? Shredders long retractable blades, burnt face, backstory with splinter, rahzar double mutating, fish faces robotic legs, tiger claws western style, rat kings dark Halloween style, leather heads incredible design, karais entire story, and design.

And even if you do just focus on voices, the voices are still different. Kraang with their broken grammar, shredders deep booming voice, karais actual Japanese voice for once, that doesn't sound fake, xevers accent, dog pound might not be that distinguishable, but rahzar has his low growling voice.

*ssjup81* · 07-01-2014, 04:45 AM

Karai doesn't sound very Japanese to me at all.

*pennydreadful* · 07-01-2014, 05:39 AM

If Karai was raised in America though, it stands to reason that she'd have an American accent, rather than sounding like Splinter. I mean, she doesn't really sound anything other than American to me, but based on that, it makes sense.

*Coola Yagami* · 07-01-2014, 06:56 AM

You're forgetting how much fun Kraang speak is to imitate. Lol.

Karai sounds fine. She sounds like a typical Asian girl that speaks perfect English. We have lots of those in America you know.

Now shredder... As awesome as he sounds... Doesn't really sound Japanese at all

*ssjup81* · 07-01-2014, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by pennydreadful

If Karai was raised in America though, it stands to reason that she'd have an American accent, rather than sounding like Splinter. I mean, she doesn't really sound anything other than American to me, but based on that, it makes sense.

Well...Splinter really doesn't to me either...and Shredder really doesn't. Splinter just sounds...Asian, not necessarily Japanese, but I blame that on my living in Japan.

That aside I love the way the Kraang talk. It is fun to imitate.

*Shark_Blade* · 07-01-2014, 07:17 AM

Very memorable.

The only thing that's not memorable to me is Justin and Timothy (human form). I like to think they never existed.

*Coola Yagami* · 07-01-2014, 07:34 AM

Xever's accent is also cool to imitate....

BlisterStockboy · 07-01-2014, 09:56 AM

The Kraang talk is fun to imitate.. I must admit.

*miru* · 07-01-2014, 10:19 AM

Snakeweed, SpiderBytez, and Cockroach Terminator stand out to me because of the designs.

Retro-Specs · 07-01-2014, 12:52 PM

Much as I hate to admit it, being a huge fan of the OT, I think many of the old villains were so memorable just because they were always so present. Bebop and Rocksteady provided constant threats and comedy relief, but even as a child it became apparent that they were voiced by the same guys that did Donatello and Leonardo, respectively. Even if they had unique speech patterns and inflections.

Then you had lesser villains that became fan favourites, such as one for myself and the creators of the Nick show - Mutagen Man - though his OT appearance likely was more memorable due to design and abilities. He had only one episode, and was obviously voiced by Rob Paulsen (Not a bad thing, just not so unique). When you look at Mutagen Man from the Nick series, he has a lot more going for him - The focus of three episodes so far, having bonded (Loosely) with one of the turtles, and it's pretty obvious that he'll be the centre of at least one future episode. I would say this is definitely more memorable.

One thing that the Nick show has going for it is that they actually have us get to know the human characters before they mutate - even if the show is guilty of being mutation happy. How well did be know human Bebop and Rocksteady, Seymore Gutz, and several others before mutation? The only character that I can think of that got several episodes as a human was Baxter Stockman.

As far as memorability of the Nick villains, I know they may be guilty of having too many crammed into one series so far, but as many of you pointed out, there's some uniqueness in things like the way the Kraang talk, or some of the accents we hear. Let me point out too that some villains in this series have been given more detailed back stories - moreso than the OT ever did, if at all - such as Xever describing his childhood and jail time to Raphael. For me, it made the characters more interesting and relatable.

So yes, I'd say the Nick villains are memorable, and arguable moreso than the OT ones.

*Refractive Reflections* · 07-02-2014, 04:44 AM

In the Nick show and at this point, it'll for sure be Shredder, the Kraang, Karai, Bradford/Dogpound/Rahzar, Xever/Fishface, and TigerClaw since they are reoccurring so frequently. Moderately so with the Rat King/Dr. Falco, Timothy/Mutagen Man, and Baxter Stockman (since his fly mutation and personality is similar to the OT).

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One thing that the Nick show has going for it is that they actually have us get to know the human characters before they mutate - even if the show is guilty of being mutation happy. How well did be know human Bebop and Rocksteady, Seymore Gutz, and several others before mutation? The only character that I can think of that got several episodes as a human was Baxter Stockman.

As far as memorability of the Nick villains, I know they may be guilty of having too many crammed into one series so far, but as many of you pointed out, there's some uniqueness in things like the way the Kraang talk, or some of the accents we hear. Let me point out too that some villains in this series have been given more detailed back stories - moreso than the OT ever did, if at all - such as Xever describing his childhood and jail time to Raphael. For me, it made the characters more interesting and relatable.

So yes, I'd say the Nick villains are memorable, and arguable moreso than the OT ones.

I'd have to disagree on that. The only backstories that were elaborated on were Bradford/Dogpound/Rahzar and Xever/Fishface, and the main villains (Shredder, Karai, and the Kraang). Other than that we hardly know anything about their backstories with so many numerous one or two-episode mutants (Spiderbytez, Cockroach Terminator, Squirrelanoids, Snakeweed, the giant wasp in "Parasitica", etc.) or they only explain how they got mutated and not really any character depth/history before that mutation moment (Pizza Face, Sir Malachi).

...But at least the show is giving them a story after their mutation/debut with Newtralizer, Timothy, and TigerClaw in reoccurring episodes.

Considering the OT was episodic, they did give some time to the backstories of their villains and their plots (Lotus, Dr. Cobrato ["Snakes Alive!"], Mr. Ogg, Slash, Phantom of the Sewers, Shreeka, Starchild, Dirk Savage, Yoku ["White Belt, Black Heart"], Megavolt ["State of Shock"], Mondo Gecko [before he turned into an ally], millionaire J. Gordon HungerDunger ["Rhino-Man"], Chronos ["Split-Second"], Doomquest, H.A.V.O.C. villains, etc.) which is why the OT characters broke the fourth wall in joking how they had to use a flashback, to explain to the audience about what happened before and why. I think the reason the Nick villains' backstories come off as more memorable (not necessarily more detailed) than the OT is because the Nick villains and the show itself are darker and more dramatic, compared to the lighter motivations of the OT villains and the lighter OT tone itself.

turtle1237 · 07-03-2014, 01:21 PM

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The Kraang talk is fun to imitate.. I must admit.

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*snake* · 07-03-2014, 04:17 PM

Tiger Claw, Dogpound/Rahzar, The Rat King, Karai, The Krang, Shredder, and Slash seem like the most memorable characters.

*Metalwolf* · 07-03-2014, 04:43 PM

I would say easily that Shredder, Xever, Bradford, Karai and Tigerclaw would be the most memorable, followed by the Kraang. And when they show up again and finally get mutated, Anton and Sterenko will be on this list too.

07-01-2014, 12:06 AM	#1
BlisterStockboy Foot Soldier Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 200	How memorable will the villains be? When you think back to the OT, you can't help but think of the villains. They were all unique, and they each had their own different way of talking (in terms of both pitch and overall voice). If someone asked you to do an impression of Krang, you would all naturally start changing the pitch of your voice from high to low mid-sentence. If someone mentions Bebop and Rocksteady, you would all instantly lower your voices and sound like you were a four year old (plus adding some grunts) But if someone asked you to do an impression of Dogpound.. What would you even do? I think that there are too many villains, and not many of them are too memorable. Part of a great villain is the design of the character, and the voice. The voice has to be memorable, and it has to fit the design well. I feel like this was pretty much mastered in the OT, but not particularly with the Nickelodeon show. Years from now when this young generation of Turtles fans are talking amongst themselves, which villains do you think they will bring up? Maybe Tiger Claw, 'cause he seems like this show's Boba Fett. Thoughts? __________________

07-01-2014, 03:19 AM	#6
Electric Epic Hiatus Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 2,484	I think you're focusing too much on voices. Don't get me wrong, voices are important, but just because these villains don't have an easily distinguishable voice, doesn't mean they aren't memorable. Impressions aren't the only way characters are memorable? Shredders long retractable blades, burnt face, backstory with splinter, rahzar double mutating, fish faces robotic legs, tiger claws western style, rat kings dark Halloween style, leather heads incredible design, karais entire story, and design. And even if you do just focus on voices, the voices are still different. Kraang with their broken grammar, shredders deep booming voice, karais actual Japanese voice for once, that doesn't sound fake, xevers accent, dog pound might not be that distinguishable, but rahzar has his low growling voice. __________________

07-01-2014, 05:39 AM	#8
pennydreadful trash Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Australia Posts: 4,546	If Karai was raised in America though, it stands to reason that she'd have an American accent, rather than sounding like Splinter. I mean, she doesn't really sound anything other than American to me, but based on that, it makes sense. __________________ Creator of the Technodrome After Dark Discussion Group. PM for an invite (must be over 18 - no exceptions).

07-01-2014, 06:56 AM	#9
Coola Yagami Overlord Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 15,710	You're forgetting how much fun Kraang speak is to imitate. Lol. Karai sounds fine. She sounds like a typical Asian girl that speaks perfect English. We have lots of those in America you know. Now shredder... As awesome as he sounds... Doesn't really sound Japanese at all __________________ "I was down with TMNT once, but then they changed what TMNT was. Now what I was down with is no longer TMNT and what TMNT now is seems weird and scary. And it'll happen to YOU." Check out my blog for Comic Reviews and other things. https://markepicblogofrandomness.blogspot.com/ I also started The AEW Crew, the All Elite Wrestling Fan Club! https://www.facebook.com/groups/637508120044168/

07-01-2014, 07:34 AM	#12
Coola Yagami Overlord Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 15,710	Xever's accent is also cool to imitate.... __________________ "I was down with TMNT once, but then they changed what TMNT was. Now what I was down with is no longer TMNT and what TMNT now is seems weird and scary. And it'll happen to YOU." Check out my blog for Comic Reviews and other things. https://markepicblogofrandomness.blogspot.com/ I also started The AEW Crew, the All Elite Wrestling Fan Club! https://www.facebook.com/groups/637508120044168/

07-01-2014, 12:29 AM	#2
ssjup81 Foot Elite Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Central Virginia (Back in the US) Posts: 4,734	Hm, yeah you're right. The villains were pretty memorable for the OT series, minus the gangsters and mad scientists. Leatherhead of the OT series had such a cool Cajun accent....then again I'm showing my Jim Cummings bias. lol Maybe for the Nick series, they'll remember...um...I guess Tigerclaw, but only because he's badass. Maybe the Ratking? Wow, I can't even pick one. Like you said about the OT, they were all pretty...unique in some ways, especially those like Shredder (you had to love his insults, albeit cheesy), Krang, Rocksteady, Bebop, Rat King, Leatherhead, etc.

07-01-2014, 12:32 AM	#3
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,880	I think Tiger Claw, Dogpound, and Fishface will be the most remembered new villains for this show, unless you count, "The Kraang" as separate from Krang and the Utroms. All the other mutants will likely be forgotten about, just like the 4kids created villains that nobody brings up anymore outside Hun or Bishop. The 4kids series is actually a perfect example as most of its unique characters have been forgotten, I expect most of the Nick mutants to follow suit,

07-01-2014, 01:04 AM	#4
Powder 40 Years of TMNT Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Shell-Ri-La Posts: 26,956	I can do a sweet Dogpound impression, get outta heeeere.

07-01-2014, 01:55 AM	#5
saintsaucey Hench Mutant Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: indiana Posts: 419	I think the character designs on these villains are much better than the ones from the original cartoon. Minuss, Bebob, Rocksteady and maybe Baxter.

07-01-2014, 04:45 AM	#7
ssjup81 Foot Elite Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Central Virginia (Back in the US) Posts: 4,734	Karai doesn't sound very Japanese to me at all.

07-01-2014, 07:17 AM	#11
Shark_Blade Emperor Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 7,909	Very memorable. The only thing that's not memorable to me is Justin and Timothy (human form). I like to think they never existed.

07-01-2014, 09:56 AM	#13
BlisterStockboy Foot Soldier Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 200	The Kraang talk is fun to imitate.. I must admit. __________________

07-01-2014, 10:19 AM	#14
miru Mad Scientist Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 1,874	Snakeweed, SpiderBytez, and Cockroach Terminator stand out to me because of the designs. __________________ Proud Digimon nut.

07-01-2014, 12:52 PM	#15
Retro-Specs Thug Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 81	Much as I hate to admit it, being a huge fan of the OT, I think many of the old villains were so memorable just because they were always so present. Bebop and Rocksteady provided constant threats and comedy relief, but even as a child it became apparent that they were voiced by the same guys that did Donatello and Leonardo, respectively. Even if they had unique speech patterns and inflections. Then you had lesser villains that became fan favourites, such as one for myself and the creators of the Nick show - Mutagen Man - though his OT appearance likely was more memorable due to design and abilities. He had only one episode, and was obviously voiced by Rob Paulsen (Not a bad thing, just not so unique). When you look at Mutagen Man from the Nick series, he has a lot more going for him - The focus of three episodes so far, having bonded (Loosely) with one of the turtles, and it's pretty obvious that he'll be the centre of at least one future episode. I would say this is definitely more memorable. One thing that the Nick show has going for it is that they actually have us get to know the human characters before they mutate - even if the show is guilty of being mutation happy. How well did be know human Bebop and Rocksteady, Seymore Gutz, and several others before mutation? The only character that I can think of that got several episodes as a human was Baxter Stockman. As far as memorability of the Nick villains, I know they may be guilty of having too many crammed into one series so far, but as many of you pointed out, there's some uniqueness in things like the way the Kraang talk, or some of the accents we hear. Let me point out too that some villains in this series have been given more detailed back stories - moreso than the OT ever did, if at all - such as Xever describing his childhood and jail time to Raphael. For me, it made the characters more interesting and relatable. So yes, I'd say the Nick villains are memorable, and arguable moreso than the OT ones. __________________ My DeviantART: Retro-Specs

07-03-2014, 04:17 PM	#18
snake Disgusting Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Outer Heaven Posts: 12,231	Tiger Claw, Dogpound/Rahzar, The Rat King, Karai, The Krang, Shredder, and Slash seem like the most memorable characters.

07-03-2014, 04:43 PM	#19
Metalwolf Mad Scientist Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 1,563	I would say easily that Shredder, Xever, Bradford, Karai and Tigerclaw would be the most memorable, followed by the Kraang. And when they show up again and finally get mutated, Anton and Sterenko will be on this list too.