Batman: HUSH (Spoiler)

~~Leo656~~ · 08-18-2003, 06:11 PM

Now that this incredible story is almost at its end, we still have some time to take a few last-minute guesses as to the identity of the mystery villain.

So far a lot of us have been alternately led to think the villain is Harvey Dent, Ra's Al Ghul, and even the apparently not-so-dead after all Jason Todd. Who do you think it is?

Honestly.... I have no idea. But I just read an article that makes a strong case for none other than LEX LUTHOR being the mastermind behind "Hush". I won't commit to it, I'd rather sit back and see for myself... but it's fun to speculate.

*cqb101* · 08-18-2003, 06:15 PM

I voted for someone new. I just think it would be a lot cooler to end this story line with a brand new character.

~~Leo656~~ · 08-18-2003, 06:26 PM

See, but on the opposite side I think the weight of the story is much more relevant when the villain is someone closely related in some way to Batman/Bruce Wayne. Someone obviously knew Batman very well in order to orchestrate all these attacks on him. The mastermind shouldn't just be someone we've never seen who just so happened to study Batman to the point of learning every one of his secrets. I mean if the Joker doesn't know by now.......

Since the attacks are indeed so close and so carefully orchestrated, I'd place heavy money on Ra's. It would explain Jason's resurrection, possibly (Lazarus Pit?). Ra's already knows Bruce's identity if I'm not mistaken, and has the knowledge and the resources to unite all these common enemies.

But then... so does Luthor. The only thing Ra's has that Luthor doesn't is the Lazarus Pit and actual knowledge of Batman's identity. But I have to believe that Luthor could, if he wanted to, somehow gain access to either.

Personally I think the story would have a much more lasting impact if the villain was an already-established character. Oh, but not Two-Face. It's always Two-Face. I'm sick of Harvey Dent always being the "last person anyone ever suspected..." like in "A Lonely Place of Dying" and "The Long Halloween". This story's been too unpredictable for Dent to be Hush.

Psycrow · 08-18-2003, 07:04 PM

I don't really know who to vote for, but like Leo said, it better not be Dent. And now that you've brought that up, I can see them going that angle. Ack!

Personally, I think it will either be the Joker or Ra's. Because if you add it all up, the villian seems to know alot about Bruce, and like you stated Leo, Lex doesn't know that much yet.

Bah, it better not be Two-Face.

Shellfox · 08-18-2003, 08:19 PM

I'm going for Jason Todd, if for no other reason than it sets up the frame work for a feud between he and Nightwing. After BW: Fugitive (nightwing fighting batman and punching through teh clas into Todds costume) the idea of them going toe to toe beating the hell out of each other really appeals to me. I don't want the others to really be a part of this, the idea of bringing in a new villian as the one who saved Todd would work, but leave Ras and Lex out, they need to be red herrings

*Raven* · 08-18-2003, 08:33 PM

i'll say jason todds, but i have a feeling i could be wrong. lex still has a part t o play in this, i just dont know what.
but im not sure.

Shellfox · 08-19-2003, 05:29 AM

I haven't seen teh book with the todd revelation, but a guy on another board did have an interseting theroy. Prior to Todd being reveled Batman had been doused by Scarecrows fear Toxin, but it appeared to have no effecet on him. But the real result came out in teh form of Jason Todds Identity (IE batmans halucinating and its not Todd).

As I said I havn't found the books so can some confirmthis.

*Raven* · 08-19-2003, 07:42 AM

thats a really good theory, I also heard that when the scarecrow said that the toxicens didnt work, that mabey batmans already under some type of control.

*Taloniss* · 08-19-2003, 08:55 AM

I think it's going to be Tommy Elliot (Bruce's friend who got "killed")

When Scarecrow blasted Bats with his fear gas, he said he was already under mind control by someone else. Tommy could have implanted something in Bruce's head when he was operating on him, and I don't think introducing him was done just for him to die. Also, the flashback sequences seemed rather important, and how the most important peice was the spy...which could be Tommy.

Or I could be wrong, and it's Bat-Mite, back to harrass Batman so he can see him in action.

*Mars-Chan* · 08-19-2003, 11:07 AM

I'm going with Harvey Dent.

*Stone Ill* · 08-19-2003, 12:58 PM

What's HUSH?

*Dr. Doom* · 08-19-2003, 02:28 PM

I hear Jason Todd and Bucky made good friends while rotting in hell.

*Raven* · 08-19-2003, 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stone Ill

What's HUSH?

its the lastest mystorie in the Batman ongoing series.

TMNT is cooler than MOTU · 08-21-2003, 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stone Ill

What's HUSH?

Something you should be reading.

Shellfox · 08-28-2003, 08:58 AM

Some one just told me Todd was Clay face! That is not cool, they should not jerk our chian like that

*Raven* · 08-28-2003, 10:18 AM

ive heard that rumor before, its probably not true. but I dont have the newest issue, so I cant say really.

*Taloniss* · 08-28-2003, 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shellfox

Some one just told me Todd was Clay face! That is not cool, they should not jerk our chian like that

**Spoilerz**

Yeah, Todd was Clayface, the real Hush told Clayface how to act and whatnot to try to shock Batman into not fighting.

In light of issue 618, I think Hush is going to be a either a new incarnation of Two-Face, in which the Lazerous pit healed his face, but not his mind, so he wears the bandages when not acting like Harvey Dent, or the pit split the personalities into 2 different people.

Oh, and I thought it was cool how Loeb went old school on us and brought back The Mechanic, Harold. That was great.

~~Leo656~~ · 08-28-2003, 12:02 PM

Yet another stellar issue. I can't wait to see the conclusion next month.

*Taloniss* · 09-24-2003, 06:00 PM

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I was half right! I was thoroughly dissapointed by the ending. Seemed way half assed and out of left field. Can't wait for Azzerello's (sp?) run to start next month!

~~Leo656~~ · 09-25-2003, 10:42 PM

I wasn't disappointed at all. In fact, I give them credit for making the villain be, for once, the absolute LAST person I'd suspect!

------------SPOILERS-------------

It's funny, at some point while reading the "Hush" storyline over the past few months, I wondered to myself where Riddler had been, but dismissed him as seemingly "too small" for such an epic storyline... and, as it turns out, that's exactly what we were SUPPOSED to think. And all the while, the identity of Hush was played up as being some great big riddle for Batman to solve... and yet I have never heard ONE person guess that the Riddler was Hush.

Damn, they got us good this time. Great job!

Oh... and did anyone else catch when he and Bats were discussing where the Kryptonite came from, and Riddler remarked "you have enemies in very high places".... did anyone else think he was talking about none other than Luthor?

View Poll Results: Who do you think "Hush" really is?
Harvey Dent	0	0%
Ra's Al Ghul	1	12.50%
The Joker	1	12.50%
Jason Todd	3	37.50%
Lex Luthor	0	0%
Someone we've never seen before	3	37.50%
Voters: 8. You may not vote on this poll

08-18-2003, 06:11 PM	#1
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	Batman: HUSH (Spoiler) Now that this incredible story is almost at its end, we still have some time to take a few last-minute guesses as to the identity of the mystery villain. So far a lot of us have been alternately led to think the villain is Harvey Dent, Ra's Al Ghul, and even the apparently not-so-dead after all Jason Todd. Who do you think it is? Honestly.... I have no idea. But I just read an article that makes a strong case for none other than LEX LUTHOR being the mastermind behind "Hush". I won't commit to it, I'd rather sit back and see for myself... but it's fun to speculate.

08-18-2003, 06:15 PM	#2
cqb101 Cinephile Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Salem, MA Posts: 8,489	I voted for someone new. I just think it would be a lot cooler to end this story line with a brand new character. __________________ Facebook

08-18-2003, 07:04 PM	#4
Psycrow Hench Mutant Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 435	I don't really know who to vote for, but like Leo said, it better not be Dent. And now that you've brought that up, I can see them going that angle. Ack! Personally, I think it will either be the Joker or Ra's. Because if you add it all up, the villian seems to know alot about Bruce, and like you stated Leo, Lex doesn't know that much yet. Bah, it better not be Two-Face. __________________ "Before you criticize others you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way when you criticize them, you're a mile away... and you have their shoes."

08-18-2003, 08:19 PM	#5
Shellfox Mad Scientist Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,234	I'm going for Jason Todd, if for no other reason than it sets up the frame work for a feud between he and Nightwing. After BW: Fugitive (nightwing fighting batman and punching through teh clas into Todds costume) the idea of them going toe to toe beating the hell out of each other really appeals to me. I don't want the others to really be a part of this, the idea of bringing in a new villian as the one who saved Todd would work, but leave Ras and Lex out, they need to be red herrings __________________ We're americans, We build Monster Trucks for fun! Imagin what we'll build when you piss us off!!- Christopher Titus

08-18-2003, 06:26 PM	#3
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	See, but on the opposite side I think the weight of the story is much more relevant when the villain is someone closely related in some way to Batman/Bruce Wayne. Someone obviously knew Batman very well in order to orchestrate all these attacks on him. The mastermind shouldn't just be someone we've never seen who just so happened to study Batman to the point of learning every one of his secrets. I mean if the Joker doesn't know by now....... Since the attacks are indeed so close and so carefully orchestrated, I'd place heavy money on Ra's. It would explain Jason's resurrection, possibly (Lazarus Pit?). Ra's already knows Bruce's identity if I'm not mistaken, and has the knowledge and the resources to unite all these common enemies. But then... so does Luthor. The only thing Ra's has that Luthor doesn't is the Lazarus Pit and actual knowledge of Batman's identity. But I have to believe that Luthor could, if he wanted to, somehow gain access to either. Personally I think the story would have a much more lasting impact if the villain was an already-established character. Oh, but not Two-Face. It's always Two-Face. I'm sick of Harvey Dent always being the "last person anyone ever suspected..." like in "A Lonely Place of Dying" and "The Long Halloween". This story's been too unpredictable for Dent to be Hush.

08-18-2003, 08:33 PM	#6
Raven follower of Jesus Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 6,212	i'll say jason todds, but i have a feeling i could be wrong. lex still has a part t o play in this, i just dont know what. but im not sure. __________________ TMNT Future Despair Deviant Offical Ultimate Ninja Turtles Site!

08-19-2003, 05:29 AM	#7
Shellfox Mad Scientist Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,234	I haven't seen teh book with the todd revelation, but a guy on another board did have an interseting theroy. Prior to Todd being reveled Batman had been doused by Scarecrows fear Toxin, but it appeared to have no effecet on him. But the real result came out in teh form of Jason Todds Identity (IE batmans halucinating and its not Todd). As I said I havn't found the books so can some confirmthis. __________________ We're americans, We build Monster Trucks for fun! Imagin what we'll build when you piss us off!!- Christopher Titus

08-19-2003, 07:42 AM	#8
Raven follower of Jesus Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 6,212	thats a really good theory, I also heard that when the scarecrow said that the toxicens didnt work, that mabey batmans already under some type of control. __________________ TMNT Future Despair Deviant Offical Ultimate Ninja Turtles Site!

08-19-2003, 08:55 AM	#9
Taloniss Mad Scientist Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Toronto Posts: 1,819	I think it's going to be Tommy Elliot (Bruce's friend who got "killed") When Scarecrow blasted Bats with his fear gas, he said he was already under mind control by someone else. Tommy could have implanted something in Bruce's head when he was operating on him, and I don't think introducing him was done just for him to die. Also, the flashback sequences seemed rather important, and how the most important peice was the spy...which could be Tommy. Or I could be wrong, and it's Bat-Mite, back to harrass Batman so he can see him in action.

08-19-2003, 11:07 AM	#10
Mars-Chan I'LL BE THE HERO!!!! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Practicing Alchemy in Risembool Posts: 6,297	I'm going with Harvey Dent. __________________ clings to award THANK YOU!! THANK YOU!!! cries in joy RED DAAAAAAAAAAAAWWN!!!! PROUD Member of the Risembool Rangers! (icon made by bakergirl69 on glitter-graphics)

08-19-2003, 12:58 PM	#11
Stone Ill Mad Scientist Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Burlington, Ontario Posts: 2,397	What's HUSH?

08-19-2003, 02:28 PM	#12
Dr. Doom Allons-y! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Castle Doom Posts: 4,535	I hear Jason Todd and Bucky made good friends while rotting in hell. __________________ I love you, Pickle.

08-28-2003, 08:58 AM	#15
Shellfox Mad Scientist Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,234	Some one just told me Todd was Clay face! That is not cool, they should not jerk our chian like that __________________ We're americans, We build Monster Trucks for fun! Imagin what we'll build when you piss us off!!- Christopher Titus

08-28-2003, 10:18 AM	#16
Raven follower of Jesus Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 6,212	ive heard that rumor before, its probably not true. but I dont have the newest issue, so I cant say really. __________________ TMNT Future Despair Deviant Offical Ultimate Ninja Turtles Site!

08-28-2003, 12:02 PM	#18
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	Yet another stellar issue. I can't wait to see the conclusion next month.

09-24-2003, 06:00 PM	#19
Taloniss Mad Scientist Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Toronto Posts: 1,819	S P O I L E R S P A C E I was half right! I was thoroughly dissapointed by the ending. Seemed way half assed and out of left field. Can't wait for Azzerello's (sp?) run to start next month!

09-25-2003, 10:42 PM	#20
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	I wasn't disappointed at all. In fact, I give them credit for making the villain be, for once, the absolute LAST person I'd suspect! ------------SPOILERS------------- It's funny, at some point while reading the "Hush" storyline over the past few months, I wondered to myself where Riddler had been, but dismissed him as seemingly "too small" for such an epic storyline... and, as it turns out, that's exactly what we were SUPPOSED to think. And all the while, the identity of Hush was played up as being some great big riddle for Batman to solve... and yet I have never heard ONE person guess that the Riddler was Hush. Damn, they got us good this time. Great job! Oh... and did anyone else catch when he and Bats were discussing where the Kryptonite came from, and Riddler remarked "you have enemies in very high places".... did anyone else think he was talking about none other than Luthor?