What's your opinion on the Next Mutation villains?

TurtleFan2012 · 12-04-2014, 09:07 AM

How do you feel about the NM version of Shredder and the others? Personally it feels like Shredder was made into a joke. He gets beaten in the second episode and reduced to a crazy hobo in a later one.

Dragon Lord is okay, but he reminds me of Lord Dregg for some reason.

bushido · 12-04-2014, 09:23 AM

Everything was cheesy is that Tv show. Shredder looked like a bad cosplay and Dragon Lord had a good design but the costume sucks.

yet he looked good on paper...

*turtlefanforever* · 12-04-2014, 09:43 AM

I loved them all. Shredder was pretty bad though, but he didn't have that big of a part. Dragon lord was awesome looking. Loved Silver I think he can be a prominent villain in any iteration. Simon bonesteel was great, the vampires were great, Dr. quease was basically their version of baxter stockman and I enjoyed him as well. Really good villains. Most people just hate on it to fit in.

bushido · 12-04-2014, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by turtlefanforever

I loved them all. Shredder was pretty bad though, but he didn't have that big of a part. Dragon lord was awesome looking. Loved Silver I think he can be a prominent villain in any iteration. Simon bonesteel was great, the vampires were great, Dr. quease was basically their version of baxter stockman and I enjoyed him as well. Really good villains. Most people just hate on it to fit in.

Nameless · 12-04-2014, 11:03 AM

they were cheesy (not always a bad thing) and mostly bad but a few had their good points... Bonesteel was an idiot but had some funny one liners... dragon lord was good from what i remember and the Rank filled the shoes of the foot well enough... the rest i remember not liking big aspects of them or are unmemorable...

for the record i didn't mind a lot of aspects of the next mutation and as a whole like the show so no i am not just hating.

*Powder* · 12-04-2014, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by turtlefanforever

I loved them all. Shredder was pretty bad though, but he didn't have that big of a part. Dragon lord was awesome looking. Loved Silver I think he can be a prominent villain in any iteration. Simon bonesteel was great, the vampires were great, Dr. quease was basically their version of baxter stockman and I enjoyed him as well. Really good villains. Most people just hate on it to fit in.

It's rare we agree, but on this, you & I are a unified front. Conceptually, the villains are dope. Execution might be shoddy on some, but there's so much potential.

*ObiWanFan4life* · 12-04-2014, 12:20 PM

Outside of Bonesteel, they were all subpar. The Dragon Lord and his Minions were lame stand-ins for The Shredder and The Foot. Dr. Quease was a discount Baxter Stockman. As for Va-MI and Silver, they felt completely out of place in a Ninja Turtles show.

*Candy Kappa* · 12-04-2014, 12:21 PM

The NM villains was interesting and have great potential. I wouldn't mind for them to return, either in IDW or the new cartoon.

*snake* · 12-04-2014, 12:36 PM

I like them. Shredder was pretty lame but the rest are decent villains.

*IndigoErth* · 12-04-2014, 01:36 PM

Wait, there were villains in this...?

Moderately enjoyable if taken as being purposely hokey.

*pennydreadful* · 12-04-2014, 06:00 PM

I liked all the villains just fine. NM, if redone with a better budget and more serious tone, would have worked just fine (obvs the Venus thing would've needed to have been tweaked as well, but nonetheless).

The villains themselves have great promise in the right hands, and I felt that doing an episode where Shredder has lost everything and struggles to find redemption was a very interesting concept. We're used to Shredder being portrayed as strong, never faltering and 100% focused on conquering his enemies. By the same token, a story about a defeated and disgraced Samurai warlord has a lot to offer, in the right hands. It's a story where you could explore not just Saki, but also whether the Hamato clan could forgive and overcome their own prejudices towards their most bitter enemy - whether they would choose peace, if the opportunity were presented, and break the cycle... or if they'd be unable to move past it.

It's a story about whether both sides could give up their vendetta. I think you've got all you need right there for a really good Turtles story.

DevilSpooky · 12-04-2014, 07:11 PM

I loved Bonesteel, mostly because of Scott McNeil's portrayal of the character, the same with Simon Webb's Dr Quease, they where wasted on the show IMO, Vam-Mi would make a really good villain in a more serious version of the show, she had the potential of being a really dangerous threat to the boys. The rest I could live without, Shredder is a joke, more so then the FW version, and Dragon Lord is what he is, a Power Rangers villain. Silver is... well, something...

**Jester** · 12-04-2014, 07:12 PM

Aside from maybe Wick, they were the best part of the series.

dukebothers · 12-08-2014, 02:06 PM

I couldn't stand bonesteel. way too annoying and cheesy. quease was cool though.

*snake* · 12-08-2014, 02:49 PM

What's this? A next mutation thread where we're not complaining about the show?

bushido · 12-08-2014, 04:32 PM

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What's this? A next mutation thread where we're not complaining about the show?

*Powder* · 12-08-2014, 04:52 PM

Can we not do this?

bushido · 12-08-2014, 04:59 PM

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Can we not do this?

*Powder* · 12-08-2014, 05:06 PM

Yeah, memes, good contribution. It shouldn't come as a surprise that there are people on a forum dedicated to being obsessed with the TMNT who enjoy The Next Mutation. It'd be great if at least one thread could NOT devolve into bullsh*t like this.

cammy85 · 12-08-2014, 05:16 PM

Ahem!! Anyways, the Dragons were clearly tougher than the Foot but like all other recurring villains, they got old fast. Vam-mi was cool.

12-04-2014, 09:07 AM	#1
TurtleFan2012 Hench Mutant Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 300	What's your opinion on the Next Mutation villains? How do you feel about the NM version of Shredder and the others? Personally it feels like Shredder was made into a joke. He gets beaten in the second episode and reduced to a crazy hobo in a later one. Dragon Lord is okay, but he reminds me of Lord Dregg for some reason.

12-04-2014, 09:23 AM	#2
bushido Stone Warrior Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: France Posts: 708	Everything was cheesy is that Tv show. Shredder looked like a bad cosplay and Dragon Lord had a good design but the costume sucks. yet he looked good on paper... __________________

12-04-2014, 09:43 AM	#3
turtlefanforever Foot Elite Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 3,098	amazing I loved them all. Shredder was pretty bad though, but he didn't have that big of a part. Dragon lord was awesome looking. Loved Silver I think he can be a prominent villain in any iteration. Simon bonesteel was great, the vampires were great, Dr. quease was basically their version of baxter stockman and I enjoyed him as well. Really good villains. Most people just hate on it to fit in.

12-04-2014, 11:03 AM	#5
Nameless Mad Scientist Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Canada Posts: 1,042	they were cheesy (not always a bad thing) and mostly bad but a few had their good points... Bonesteel was an idiot but had some funny one liners... dragon lord was good from what i remember and the Rank filled the shoes of the foot well enough... the rest i remember not liking big aspects of them or are unmemorable... for the record i didn't mind a lot of aspects of the next mutation and as a whole like the show so no i am not just hating. __________________ "Close. But close only counts in horse shoes and hand grenades.... Knew i should have brought those grenades." My Collection:http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/sho...09#post1103509

12-04-2014, 12:20 PM	#7
ObiWanFan4life Mad Scientist Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Georgia Posts: 1,724	Outside of Bonesteel, they were all subpar. The Dragon Lord and his Minions were lame stand-ins for The Shredder and The Foot. Dr. Quease was a discount Baxter Stockman. As for Va-MI and Silver, they felt completely out of place in a Ninja Turtles show. __________________ "The force will be with you, always" - Obi-Wan Kenobi

12-04-2014, 12:21 PM	#8
Candy Kappa The Agenda of Existing Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Vikingland Posts: 14,596	The NM villains was interesting and have great potential. I wouldn't mind for them to return, either in IDW or the new cartoon. __________________ devianArt Instagram Youtube Tumblr Art Blog Patreon

12-04-2014, 12:36 PM	#9
snake Disgusting Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Outer Heaven Posts: 12,231	I like them. Shredder was pretty lame but the rest are decent villains.

12-04-2014, 01:36 PM	#10
IndigoErth Team Blue Boy Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: U.S., East Coast Posts: 16,295	Wait, there were villains in this...? Moderately enjoyable if taken as being purposely hokey.

12-04-2014, 06:00 PM	#11
pennydreadful trash Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Australia Posts: 4,546	I liked all the villains just fine. NM, if redone with a better budget and more serious tone, would have worked just fine (obvs the Venus thing would've needed to have been tweaked as well, but nonetheless). The villains themselves have great promise in the right hands, and I felt that doing an episode where Shredder has lost everything and struggles to find redemption was a very interesting concept. We're used to Shredder being portrayed as strong, never faltering and 100% focused on conquering his enemies. By the same token, a story about a defeated and disgraced Samurai warlord has a lot to offer, in the right hands. It's a story where you could explore not just Saki, but also whether the Hamato clan could forgive and overcome their own prejudices towards their most bitter enemy - whether they would choose peace, if the opportunity were presented, and break the cycle... or if they'd be unable to move past it. It's a story about whether both sides could give up their vendetta. I think you've got all you need right there for a really good Turtles story. __________________ Creator of the Technodrome After Dark Discussion Group. PM for an invite (must be over 18 - no exceptions).

12-04-2014, 07:11 PM	#12
DevilSpooky Stone Warrior Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Portugal Posts: 884	I loved Bonesteel, mostly because of Scott McNeil's portrayal of the character, the same with Simon Webb's Dr Quease, they where wasted on the show IMO, Vam-Mi would make a really good villain in a more serious version of the show, she had the potential of being a really dangerous threat to the boys. The rest I could live without, Shredder is a joke, more so then the FW version, and Dragon Lord is what he is, a Power Rangers villain. Silver is... well, something... __________________ Life at best is bittersweet

12-04-2014, 07:12 PM	#13
Jester Rat-faced Dude-guy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 26,298	Aside from maybe Wick, they were the best part of the series. __________________ "Clearly, you're Ninja Turtling incorrectly." - Leo656

12-08-2014, 02:06 PM	#14
dukebothers Random Punk Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Madill, OK Posts: 29	I couldn't stand bonesteel. way too annoying and cheesy. quease was cool though. __________________ "Man? Is that how you refer to me? What's next, Rat-Face Dude Guy?"

12-08-2014, 02:49 PM	#15
snake Disgusting Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Outer Heaven Posts: 12,231	What's this? A next mutation thread where we're not complaining about the show?

12-08-2014, 04:52 PM	#17
Powder 40 Years of TMNT Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Shell-Ri-La Posts: 26,945	Can we not do this?

12-08-2014, 05:06 PM	#19
Powder 40 Years of TMNT Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Shell-Ri-La Posts: 26,945	Yeah, memes, good contribution. It shouldn't come as a surprise that there are people on a forum dedicated to being obsessed with the TMNT who enjoy The Next Mutation. It'd be great if at least one thread could NOT devolve into bullsh*t like this.

12-08-2014, 05:16 PM	#20
cammy85 Stone Warrior Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Minnedosa, MB Canada Posts: 772	Ahem!! Anyways, the Dragons were clearly tougher than the Foot but like all other recurring villains, they got old fast. Vam-mi was cool.