Turtles with or without masks?

[aliena]

This is just a goofy thought I've had rolling around my head since I first started watching the show in July. I have been watching all the episodes over again as we wait for new episodes and I'm wondering about the significance of the masks, or lack of them.

To my memory, the first time we see them without masks is in Slash and Destroy and Poor Donnie and Mikey are getting their shells handed to them by Slash. At first I felt they appeared vulnerable and damaged and then naked. For some reason it makes them seem oddly different.

Next, Leo loses his in the season finale and I think he goes without it for a few episodes. He's also damaged and vulnerable without it, but I found it easier to accept with Leo than I did Donnie and Mikey.

Then, correct me if I'm wrong, because I may have missed a scene as I was binge watching these all in a week. But in season three we know Raph has lost his, but they don't show him without it. Why is that? Do they not want us to see him damaged and vulnerable? Or are they just teasing the fans by not showing us Raph without his mask since he's the last one.

I'm thinking it's because of the dark Raph storyline we are supposed to get later on. They show him taking off his red to put on the black one. I could be wayyy over speculating this since the show appears to be changing gears this season.

For some reason a lot of fan based pictures show the turtles without their masks. I'm curious as to why some fans like them without the masks. I guess it's because the lack of a mask makes them appear naked and exposed more? I'm not sure what it is, but I'm also the most nervous to see Raph without his over any of them. I have no idea why really, I guess because the day he takes his off will not be a good day.

[Luckyday]

I think that the mask serves a functionality to soak sweat since they don't have eyebrows like us.

To me it just makes them seem casual without them...like the mask along with knee pads and belts are just part of their uniform. They probably have individual colors because a certain mutant turtle keep taking them all.

[Powder]

Personally I think you're reading too much into it.

As to why fans like them maskless, I think it has to do with it making them more "human" (read: relatable). Realistically speaking, would you sit around all day with elbow & kneepads, & a mask? No, of course not, you're gonna wanna be comfortable. It's not like Peter Parker wears his Spiderman suit in the shower or while cooking breakfast. The Mirage comics are the only version to feature the turtles without their gear somewhat regularly. The OT & subsequent toons have had brief moments, but not enough for my personal tastes.

On the topic of nude-faced turtles, there was supposed to be a scene where Mikey was maskless in the third film but it was cut for some reason (obviously it's because it looks straight up disturbing, haha!). See pic-

[PangolinFeets]

I love when they're featured without their masks. Mirage definitely did it more, but I see it a decent amount in IDW. A lot of the Northampton arc has them all maskless.

As far as it applies to the Nick toon, I feel like in Slash and Destroy, the mask-taking was more to further just what a threat Slash was. For Leo, it was to really punctuated how badly he had been beaten by The Foot. I feel like Raph has yet to get a good spotlight for him to be maskless. I can't wait to get a reaaaally good Raph episode, like what's been hinted at.

[IndigoErth]

I have to agree that it may be that it feels more like a casual view of them, their lives outside the usual bad guy fighting storyline, when they'd be off duty, off camera and symbolism of a more private part of their lives and selves that isn't seen as much.

As different and/or personal as it may feel to on a rare occasion see someone with their glasses off when you otherwise never see them without. It's a view of them few ever really see other than themselves. I think the same could be said of the Turtles' masks.

Originally Posted by Powder

(obviously it's because it looks straight up disturbing, haha!). See pic-
http://i62.tinypic.com/14soe53.jpg

Ok, that settles it. Third movie and 2014 Mikey, leave it on. Please.

[snake]

IDW's Northtampton arc was so good, and one of the reasons was that the turtles were maskless. It ahowed them settling down for once.

[Ninjinister]

I actually really like the prevailing theory that they didn't show Raph without his mask (and may reveal so in a later episode) his eye area was scarred when Karai spit in his face.

[Luckyday]

Originally Posted by Ninjinister

I actually really like the prevailing theory that they didn't show Raph without his mask (and may reveal so in a later episode) his eye area was scarred when Karai spit in his face.

There a suppose image of what he would look like with the acid burn.

[Brooke507]

Personally I prefer the turtles with masks. They wouldn't be ninjas without them! That's just me though. I can respect other opinions about this. Having the turtles without masks is like having Calvin without Hobbes (For those of you who are familiar with Bill Watterson's comic strip) things just wouldn't be the same.

[snake]

Originally Posted by Brooke507

Personally I prefer the turtles with masks. They wouldn't be ninjas without them! That's just me though. I can respect other opinions about this. Having the turtles without masks is like having Calvin without Hobbes (For those of you who are familiar with Bill Watterson's comic strip) things just wouldn't be the same.

But when they're in the lair, chilling, they wouldn't keep the gear on all the time.

[Brooke507]

Originally Posted by snake

But when they're in the lair, chilling, they wouldn't keep the gear on all the time.

Hmm.... Well, that's true.

[Luckyday]

I wish they would show them with out the gear but understandable it would cut too much into the budget so I guess we head canon that they just take off when they about to go to bed. Maybe there even times when they are just so tired that they flop on the bed and sleep with it on.

[DevilSpooky]

Originally Posted by Luckyday

There a suppose image of what he would look like with the acid burn.

http://40.media.tumblr.com/614abd299...igpmo4_500.png

That just screams photoshop.

[Powder]

That's because it's photoshopped. Nobody said it was real.

[IndigoErth]

Originally Posted by Luckyday

Maybe there even times when they are just so tired that they flop on the bed and sleep with it on.

Sleeping in knee pads and junk sounds about as comfortable as waking up in the morning and realizing I'd left my bra on. lol

[evan2000]

Originally Posted by Luckyday

There a suppose image of what he would look like with the acid burn.

http://40.media.tumblr.com/614abd299...igpmo4_500.png

Do you have more of these photoshopped Raph without mask? Or one without the acid burn?

Originally Posted by Luckyday

I wish they would show them with out the gear but understandable it would cut too much into the budget so I guess we head canon that they just take off when they about to go to bed. Maybe there even times when they are just so tired that they flop on the bed and sleep with it on.

Why would it cut into any budget? They should be able to exclude the mask from being drawn by the 3D renderer with one simple click or so. In fact they would be saving rendering time since fabric seems to be one of the more complex 3D object to animate and render accurately.

Mikey was shown to be searching for his mask to put on when he just woke up in Mikey Gets Shellacne, implying that he slept without it prior to that.

Originally Posted by IndigoErth

Sleeping in knee pads and junk sounds about as comfortable as waking up in the morning and realizing I'd left my bra on. lol

I hope you have a comfortable one then

[IndigoErth]

Originally Posted by evan2000

Why would it cut into any budget? They should be able to exclude the mask from being drawn by the 3D renderer with one simple click or so.

Yeah, as long as they had the foresight to leave it separate like that. Which they appear to have since when poor Leo was out cold in the tub he wasn't wearing any of his stuff.


(And I'm not sure any bra is comfortable after sleeping in it all night. lol)



Edit: Poor unconscious baby (two current versions of him knocked out cold this year )... but yeah, we've already seen one without his gear. Granted it's not in a cozy just relaxing at home kind of way.

Spoiler:

[Luckyday]

Originally Posted by evan2000

Do you have more of these photoshopped Raph without mask? Or one without the acid burn?

Yup. I found them on tumblr.

Originally Posted by evan2000

Why would it cut into any budget?They should be able to exclude the mask from being drawn by the 3D renderer with one simple click or so. In fact they would be saving rendering time since fabric seems to be one of the more complex 3D object to animate and render accurately.

I don't think so because then you would've continually be editing the models rather then having a extra ones which are only occasionally use sometimes for certain scenes when they're not working out or been in the lair for a while and are not just recently coming back from a mission.
Reasons like that are why we don't see them physically putting stuff in third person like when Splinter putting on the blind fold and the other moment when April put Raph's mask back on.

The only time when they can click something off or maybe just showing them taking it off or on are hats and helmets because the animator doesn't have think of how fabric will move when manipulating the model.

[Warhorse]

Originally Posted by aliena

This is just a goofy thought I've had rolling around my head since I first started watching the show in July. I have been watching all the episodes over again as we wait for new episodes and I'm wondering about the significance of the masks, or lack of them.

To my memory, the first time we see them without masks is in Slash and Destroy and Poor Donnie and Mikey are getting their shells handed to them by Slash. At first I felt they appeared vulnerable and damaged and then naked. For some reason it makes them seem oddly different.

In a sense, sometimes that seems to be the intention. I just remember, in a nother TMNT show, the 2k3/Fastforward arc, there was a stint when Raph and Casey get stuck on an island for eternity, and Casey was implied to be naked and Raph didn't have his mask, nor his knee/elbow pads or belt.

[victory_angel]

I think it's more like the masks give them a sense of identity. A sense of being.

Hense why slash took Donnie and Mikey's masks, because he was stripping them of their identities as ninja.

Where as Leo's mask and gear are stripped from his body by his brothers because he had been sevearly beaten. And he doesn't wear the mask because he doesn't identify himself as a ninja any longer. He even lements that he will never be the same again. The only time he dons the mask again is when his family is indanger and he realizes that he is the only one who can save them.

And since that is one of the only articles of clothing they have they probably do feel naked without them. For example in Within the Woods, the tails of Donnie's mask are pinned by the Creaps pitchfork, and he wastes time try to unpin himself when he could have just as easily ripped the mask off and then then gone to get help.

It's pausible that he didn't want to abandon Mikey, but even then he still could have taken the mask off.