Dark Knight or Planet of the Apes styled movie

[LeotheLateBloomer]

How you feel about a Dark Knight trilogy or Planet of the Apes (Rise and Dawn storyline) styled TMNT movie?

[Candy Kappa]

so, a storyline where the Turtles defeats a couple of major villains, retires for almost a decade before resurfacing. then realize they're "too old for this ****", makes new protegees and fake their deaths.

Or

Turtles everywhere taking over the planet with their superiors martial arts skills while humans slowly dies off by disasters?

[newhire13]

Neither. TMNT should stand on its own two feet.

[snake]

The last thing I want is a "realistic" nolan TMNT movie.

[TMNT is cooler than MOTU]

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

so, a storyline where the Turtles defeats a couple of major villains, retires for almost a decade before resurfacing. then realize they're "too old for this ****", makes new protegees and fake their deaths.

Or

Turtles everywhere taking over the planet with their superiors martial arts skills while humans slowly dies off by disasters?

The latter would be ****ing amazing!

[Autbot_Benz]

ya a nolan esque movie with 90% talking and badly filmed action no thanks.

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

Originally Posted by Autbot_Benz

ya a nolan esque movie with 90% talking and badly filmed action no thanks.

so what we already got?

[Autbot_Benz]

in my opinion the action in turtles was filmed better than nolan's batman movies. Also the talking isn't as boring as in nolan's universe of exposition.

[TigerClaw]

I don't know about a Planet of the Apes style TMNT movie, How does that work? It takes place in a world where mutants became the dominant species over the humans?

[TrickOrTreater]

Originally Posted by Autbot_Benz

in my opinion the action in turtles was filmed better than nolan's batman movies. Also the talking isn't as boring as in nolan's universe of exposition.

I mean when you get nothing but cliches and boner jokes then yeah it's going to seem to fly right by.

[Commenter 42]

Turtles aren't Batman, and Nolan is the most over hyped Director on the planet, next to Del Toro. I don't want him to touch turtles, but I also don't think he would do it, since they aren't "possible" in reality.

There are many better Directors out there. If you're looking for an epic Turtles film, it would be David Fincher, IMHO. But it really depends on personal taste. Fincher likes dark subject matter, and his films have a noir feel. Lt's of people love his films, but don't know his name.

I liked the message in Dawn of Planet of the Apes, but it could have gone further. I can see replacing apes with mutants, and the divide between humans and mutants being an interesting idea, but kind of a retread after the x-men franchise.

obviously, overall, we don't want cheesy garbage like we got this year, at least I don't.

The biggest mistake they've made. in my opion, is telling the story from a human perspective. They had the cart backwards.

[LeoRaph]

Just get them to be taken seriously like they were originally meant to be taken dealing with the themes and issues that being a mutant ninja turtle in a human world brings. "Life is at Best Bitter Sweet" That can be the tag line. It already sets a great tone to explore.

Drop the teenage part, let them be adolescents in their mid 20s and it doesn't matter whether it's 'nolanised' (I like what Nolan did with Batman btw) just as long as the production company, writers, directors and actors all give 100% of a sh*t and treat the franchise with the respect it deserves.

I think around 2020 it will happen, bay will do 2 to 3 more kiddified fart loving leg humping megan o'neil movies it will go into the Batman and Robin mourning period then someone will come and do them justice, just going to have to ride this one out till then...

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by LeoRaph

Just get them to be taken seriously like they were originally meant to be taken dealing with the themes and issues that being a mutant ninja turtle in a human world brings. "Life is at Best Bitter Sweet" That can be the tag line. It already sets a great tone to explore.

Drop the teenage part, let them be adolescents in their mid 20s and it doesn't matter whether it's 'nolanised' (I like what Nolan did with Batman btw) just as long as the production company, writers, directors and actors all give 100% of a sh*t and treat the franchise with the respect it deserves.

I think around 2020 it will happen, bay will do 2 to 3 more kiddified fart loving leg humping megan o'neil movies it will go into the Batman and Robin mourning period then someone will come and do them justice, just going to have to ride this one out till then...

I don't hate the realistic take on fantasy, I really enjoy it, but that's not Nolanizing something.
In my mind, Nolanizing is a script of red-herrings and misdirection that have no payoff, and a story structure that breaks it's own rules. I can't stand films that claim to be smarter than they are by cheating the narrative. That's my beef with Nolan; he breaks the rules of his own world. Just something I cant stand, well that and Anne Hathaway.

I think you could take a real world approach without cannibalizing your story to fit an "aha" moment later.

I'm sick of the kiddie take myself.

[sgtfbomb]

Originally Posted by Autbot_Benz

in my opinion the action in turtles was filmed better than nolan's batman movies. .

I disagree with this. The action sequences, save for the avalanche scene, were fairly generic. In The Dark Knight, when Joker chases down Harvey while Batman ultimately comes to the rescue, there is a build up, a hook, it's interesting. Harvey confesses to being Batman in order lure in the Joker. I love how instead of clashing hardhitting score with loud sound effects, they used the sound effects as the score, driving me in without me becoming desensitized to the endless action, and I love how you can actually watch the action, without needless and contrived camera shaking (in contrast, Bay's DP might also be hitting that cocaine).

When Batman has to keep the SWAT team from unknowingly killing innocent hostages dressed as bad guys, that's interesting. Far more engaging than watching a bland action scene with very little motivations other than "Hey, let's stop the bad guy ..... whoever he is!"


EDIT: Although, as much as I like those Nolan films, I don't want a film that bases it's characters actions and motivations with faux idealism. (As I absolutely loved The Dark Knight, all the way up until Batman says "I killed those people." It also bothered me that no one tried to appeal to Harvey's reasonable side, never saying "Blame the Joker instead of blaming the guys who tried to save your girlfriend." Up until that scene, the film was near perfect for me.)

[Galactus]

Just like with the Next Mutation thread I have to say; didn't we get that this year?

We know the Dark Knight movies by Nolan where a source of inspiration for the movie and I'd say that's self evident in some of the shots they used and how some scenes had a very "realistic" feel. Likewise we know that Marvel movies specifically The Avengers where a big inspiration also and again you can see that in some of the of the movie.

It wouldn't surprise me if Rise of the Planet of the Apes was an inspiration also. Certainly the origin of the mutagen as a cure for a disease and using animals as test subjects was vaguely reminiscent of that movie. Add in the very clear influence/rip off of the third act of Amazing Spider-Man and it seems they really wanted to make TMNT like every other successful movie out today.

Y'know what? This may not be a popular idea but I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing. I fully agree that Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles is it's own very unique entity and should be treated as such but it's not like the turtles couldn't work tonally in the Nolan style or in the Marvel style or both at the same time like this movie tried to do after all the TMNT itself is a mix of several influences.

It would take a very skilled director and team behind them to do it which is where this movie failed. Just like creatively they used stuff from various versions (based on their research of looking at still images) without really understanding them I don't think Leibesman as director gets what it was about those movies that worked he just imitated their superficial aspects.

The scene in TMNT 2014 at the docks is reminiscent of the scene Batman Begins in the same setting and perfect for a scene to build up the characters mutual stealth abilities but then Leibesman has them tossing cargo containers.

Donatello's surveilance rig of all of the city is just like the sonar device in The Dark Knight except it makes sense for Wayne to not only build one but has the resources to do it but it's outlandish even by TMNT's standards for Don to have such a thing at that point in time. Seriously wouldn't that scene have been much better if the turtles had just seen a TV report of a hostage situation where the Foot are calling out the "vigilante" - that in itself would have been Nolan-esque but Leibesman just went for the kewel visual.

In Rise of the Planet of the Apes sympathy for Caesar is slowly built up via Bright Eyes so we actually care when he gets smuggled out of the lab but we don't really care for these for the turtles and Splinter in the lab...heck did we really care for them out of the lab?. Again Leibesman just went for the look with none of the heart.

I could go on but from my perspective we did get both a DK and POTA styled movie it just wasn't a good representation of those styles.

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by Galactus

Donatello's surveilance rig of all of the city is just like the sonar device in The Dark Knight except it makes sense for Wayne to not only build one but has the resources to do it but it's outlandish even by TMNT's standards for Don to have such a thing at that point in time. Seriously wouldn't that scene have been much better if the turtles had just seen a TV report of a hostage situation where the Foot are calling out the "vigilante" - that in itself would have been Nolan-esque but Leibesman just went for the kewel visual.

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I could go on but from my perspective we did get both a DK and POTA styled movie it just wasn't a good representation of those styles.

Maybe I'm alone in this, but little things like this, i could care less about, when the whole of the film is already so wrong.

could the tech donnie uses havebeen explained? maybe, but the movie wouldn't suddenly be better. maybe they don't throw shipping containers. Again, so what? It's still wrong, fundamentally from the ground up. The actors are wrong, the writiing is wrongt, the camera ****ing angles are wrong.

The origin is wrong, the designs are wrong the color temperature is wrong.

Their motivations are wrong, their relationships are wrong, the raison de etre is wrong.

Hell even physics in the film, is wrong.

so I'm sorry, but pointing to singular character beats and looking for improvement is like picking up a carton of milk from a landfill and putting it in the recycling box. It changes nothing.

[sgtfbomb]

One thing this new TMNT film series could take from Dawn of the Planet of the Apes is how to properly portray a villain. In just a two minute scene, the bad guy, Koba, does far more to demonstrate how sadistic, menacing, and evil he is (in such a simplistic, somewhat underplayed way) than this new Shredder (and Eric Sachs) do in an entire film.

Granted, that's a dark scene and TMNT is now a Nickelodeon-produced film series, but this is 2014, going into 2015. The standard bad guy with generic motivations shaking his fist into the air just doesn't cut it anymore. The villain either needs to be menacing (Ledger's Joker, Koba, Winter Soldier, Arrow's Deathstroke) or he/she needs to be charismatic (Loki). Either way, the villain needs to be clever, even in a less serious and slightly lighter movie. (In comparison to TMNT '14, the Nick series' Shredder is legit, and the show is far more compelling despite not being "gritty") Otherwise, he might as be the bad guy for the next Jump Street comedy.

[Leo656]

The guy (SHredder) was covered in giant knives, of course he was the bad guy. That's all the character development you need.

.....to hear some people tell it.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

It looks like people want a dark and gritty reboot of the turtles (I assume that's why The Dark Knight and Planet of the Apes are cited as models to follow); I worry that people confuse the words "realistic" and "dark" with each other. For example, Mr. Bean's Holiday is a realistic film, but not a dark one.

A realistic film has believable characters with many layers and motives, not just static "Mikey is funny so he always has to makes jokes and never be serious" sort of stuff.

A dark film is really gritty, lots of violence and cussing and whatnot. A dark film can be realistic, but the two do not mean the same thing.

I for one want a realistic TMNT film, not necessarily a dark one. I want the turtles to feel human, feel like normal people. Hell, one of the emotions they feel could be is that they don't feel human at all, and that would make them more human. I want to feel like the turtles care for each other, and interact believably with their human friends, not just simply acknowledge that each other exist and that be that.

[TigerClaw]

Originally Posted by TheSkeletonMan939

It looks like people want a dark and gritty reboot of the turtles (I assume that's why The Dark Knight and Planet of the Apes are cited as models to follow); I worry that people confuse the words "realistic" and "dark" with each other. For example, Mr. Bean's Holiday is a realistic film, but not a dark one.

A realistic film has believable characters with many layers and motives, not just static "Mikey is funny so he always has to makes jokes and never be serious" sort of stuff.

A dark film is really gritty, lots of violence and cussing and whatnot. A dark film can be realistic, but the two do not mean the same thing.

I for one want a realistic TMNT film, not necessarily a dark one. I want the turtles to feel human, feel like normal people. Hell, one of the emotions they feel could be is that they don't feel human at all, and that would make them more human. I want to feel like the turtles care for each other, and interact believably with their human friends, not just simply acknowledge that each other exist and that be that.

That will never happen as long as Nickelodeon owns TMNT, They will never want a dark TMNT movie, Since its gotta be kids friendly.