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09-01-2003, 04:13 PM
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Stone Warrior
 
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Good and Bad things about all TMNT
After reading a little about the "new vs old" debates, I had an idea. List all the different TMNT comics/TV shows/movies that you have seen, and say one good thing and one bad thing about it. No more, no less. And no "missing" things (like "One bad thing with the Archie comics is that Casey never appeared"), it should be things that were actually included.
Mirage comics: Good: The action Bad: (I swear, this one is the hardest...) Err, the clearly out-of-continuity issues Archie comics: Good: Ninjara! Bad: The earliest issues Image comics: Good: Raph as leader of the Foot Bad: Mutilations First movie: Good: The suits Bad: The sped-up clips Second movie: Good: Shredder's return scene was somewhat cool Bad: Dance scene Old cartoon Good: The Technodrome was a good concept (when filled with fuel, and not stuck anywhere) Bad: Pizza New cartoon Good: The action scenes! Bad: Some of Mike's goofiness |
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09-01-2003, 04:26 PM
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Random Punk
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Mirage comics:
Good: Action, story, characters, art. (sorry) Bad: Eastman and Laird allowing Hedden McWeeney to do issues. Archie comics: Good: Cool new characters. Bad: Kind of shallow. Image comics: Good: Art. Bad: Character mutilations. First movie: Good: You name it. Bad: Where? Second movie: Good: Comedy Bad: Keno Old cartoon Good: Krang Bad: Turned the Turtles weak. New cartoon Good: Animation Bad: Not a lot, really. |
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09-01-2003, 04:37 PM
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Mad Scientist
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Pizza a bad part? I would think you might say that how the action was toned down was bad. The only thing I didn't like about Pizza in the old cartoon was how they sometimes used it as a weapon, I thought that was stupid.
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09-01-2003, 05:02 PM
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Mirage comics:
GOOD: Plot depth BAD: The fact that it was black and white (I know, I know, it just hurts my eyes) Archie comics: GOOD: Good character development BAD: Some of the dialogue was really cheesy, particularly the early issues Image comics: GOOD: An interesting way to keep the TMNT property alive through some of the lean years BAD: Too many shocking changes and mutilations First movie: GOOD: Great plot BAD: Umm... none of the deleted scenes ended up on the DVD. Second movie: GOOD: Kevin Nash as Super Shredder BAD: Vanilla Ice Third movie: (I noticed you "forgot" this one  )GOOD: April showed some leg  BAD: Some of the comedy was really hit or miss, leaning towards "miss" Old cartoon: GOOD: Incredibly entertaining when I was 7 BAD: Too many pizza jokes The Next Mutation: GOOD: It attempted to make the TMNT popular again BAD: The writing was pretty bad New cartoon: GOOD: A great mix of the Mirage comic with some new ideas BAD: Sometimes Mike acts a bit too close to his old cartoon self |
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09-01-2003, 05:17 PM
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That whack job behind you
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Mirage comics:
GOOD: lots of great storylines and settings BAD: not enough character interaction Archie comics: GOOD: plenty of interesting characters and settings BAD: the Mutanimals being killed Image comics: GOOD: good storylines BAD: Don being killed and turned into a cyborg First movie: GOOD: the costumes, the plot BAD: the editing Second movie: GOOD: the costumes and storyline again BAD: Vanilla Ice Third movie: GOOD: the storyline (although Renet could've been used) BAD: costumes Original cartoon: GOOD: the turtles being shown as laid-back teens BAD: Burne dissing the TMNT every second and Vernon kissing his ass! The Next Mutation: GOOD: interesting costumes BAD: bad writing New cartoon: GOOD: mirrors Mirage to a tee and even throws in stuff from the original toon BAD: Baxter resembles Urkel just alittle too much.
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09-01-2003, 05:33 PM
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Movie 1
good: plot bad: I don't think it bothers anyone else, but I'm annoyed at Donatello's face...it looks fat. (someone punch me). Movie 2 good: costumes (in my opinion) bad: Splinter laughing about Turtles being on front of newspaper (it's not like him). Movie 3 good: feudal Japan  bad: costumes (the huge eyes, look the same, and huge spots all over) Original Cartoon good: just awesome bad: not as detailed as I would have liked... New Cartoon good: detailed living forms (human and mutated) bad: nothing yet... Next Mutation good: I always watched it when I got home from school (hey, it was the TMNT) bad: a little corny 
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09-01-2003, 05:35 PM
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Mad Scientist
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Mirage comics:
Good: Action, story Bad: Hard to find old issues Archie comics: Good: Cool original characters Bad: silliness Image comics: Good: Art Bad: Character changes First movie: Good: Story, Costumes, Action Bad: Nothing! Second movie: Good: Tokka and Rahzar were cool Bad: Keno, Night Club scene Old cartoon Good: Krang, Technodrome, Sparked TMNT phenomanon Bad: Silliness New cartoon Good: Animation, Action, True to comics Bad: Nothing |
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09-01-2003, 05:40 PM
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Allons-y!
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Mirage comics:
GOOD: The best incarnation so far. Amazing storylines with no limitations. BAD: Not that easy to get ahold of. And Jim Lawson. Archie comics: GOOD: Great alternative to the old show. Nice artwork and great storylines again. BAD: The early issues. And it ended kinda suddenly, didn't it? Image comics: GOOD: Awsome way to break TMNT away from the old show and do some stuff that the mature fans had been waiting and dreaming for. BAD: Leo's arm, Raph face, and especialy Cyborg Don. Also ended abruptly. First movie: GOOD: Amazing. State of the art SFX in 1989/90. Great story that stayed true to Mirage. BAD: Corey Feldman Second movie: GOOD: Adam Carl, better suits, very fun, humorous movie. BAD: Vanilla Ice, Keno, a bit more childish. Third movie: GOOD: Casey was back! Not that bad a soryline, and AWSOME title music. BAD: Costumes, Corey Feldman, Splinter. Original cartoon: GOOD: Got me into TMNT as well as many others, spawned movies/games/archie/figures/etc., plus the theme song. BAD: Too childish for me to relate to anymore. The Next Mutation: GOOD: Some good voice actor in it, although I don't think some of them quite fit their parts. BAD: Everything else. Costumes, Venus, the works. New cartoon: GOOD: Very true to Mirage, great animation and voice acting, brought TMNT back into the spotlight. BAD: "Shell" this and "shell" that.
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09-01-2003, 07:10 PM
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Mad Scientist
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Mirage comics:
Good: The thing that started it all. Bad: The style kind of the humans bug me. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 1: Good: Very good plot. Bad: The low quality film. It look a little grainy. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2: Good: The costumes were very good. Bad: Tokka and Rahzar. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 3: Good: OKAY concept. Bad: Not a very believable storyline, given that mutant turtles ARE real.  The original TMNT toon: Good: Got the turtles really popular. Bad: The jokes. The new TMNT toon" Good: The art/animation and storyline. Bad: Too many shell puns..I mean c'mon, what the shell? |
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09-01-2003, 08:22 PM
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The Iron Dinosaur
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GREAT thread idea Sparvid
Mirage Comics: Good: Plot, Artwork, Action, Everything Bad: TOTAL lack of availability Old Cartoon: Good: Great supporting characters, Every Turtle had a love-interest Bad: Too dumbed down at times, transformation powers Action Figures: Good: Well-made, fun to play with! Bad: Jim Lee! Archie Comics: Good: Ninjara, Like a combination of old cartoon and Mirage Bad: Killed off all best characters! Video Games: Good: Action packed! Bad: A little repetitive Movie 1: Good: Corey Feldman , Mirage basedBad: Multi-colored Masks! (It's supposed to be Mirage-based!) Movie 2: Good: Tokka and Rahzar, Kevin Nash Bad: Dumb plot, Vanilla Ice Movie 3: Good: Great Concept!, Feudal Japan Bad: the rest Image Comics: Good: Raph as the new Shredder, Pimiko Bad: Mutilations, sweeping changes, dumb ideas, Erik Larson New Cartoon: Good: Mirage-based, Great-animation, Anime-influenced Bad: Multi-colored Masks! (It's supposed to be Mirage-based!) Dreamwave: Good: LeSean  , "New Archie Series"Bad: Issues #2 and #3 are a rehash of Mirage issue #2 |
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09-01-2003, 09:26 PM
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Stone Warrior
Join Date: Jul 2003
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Mirage Comics
Good: Grittiness (I could list a ton of other stuff, but it's only supposed to be 1) Bad: Guest artists/writers Archie Comics Good: Great storylines in the later issues, also introduced new characters. Bad: First couple of issues were too goofy. Image Comics Good: Art Bad: After a while, it wasn't even the TMNT, they were kinda like something else that in one point in time resembled the TMNT. First Movie Good: More Mirage based. (grittiness was extra cool) Bad: um....my mind is drawing a blank. Second Movie Good: Dialogue was still a little funny. Bad: I could really go off on this one, but mainly Keno. (I hated him even more than Vanilla Ice. Third Movie Good: The return of Casey Jones Bad: Lots of stuff, but mainly the costumes. Old Cartoon Good: The first bunch of episodes were good. Bad: The rest of the episodes were better when I was 7. New Cartoon Good: Neat mix of Mirage and old cartoon. Bad: Mikey can be a little too much sometimes. By the way, I like Corey Feldman as Don, no where's in the original comics does it give the impression that Don's voice has to sound totally geeky. Just cause he's smart, doesn't mean he has to sound like Rick Moranis. Plus, the first movie looked grainy to some was because it not only was an independent film which can't really afford the best film to shoot with, but also a lot of movies from the late 80's, early 90's look like that.
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09-01-2003, 11:13 PM
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Allons-y!
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09-02-2003, 03:44 AM
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Re: Good and Bad things about all TMNT
Mirage comics:
Good: Best Written TMNT Bad: Some guest artist issues weren't up to par Archie comics: Good: Good plot Bad: Some of the art wasn't that good Image comics: Good: Few good ideas Bad: Most ideas were bad First movie: Good: Good balance between Original TMNT and comedy Bad: I heard it was cut severely Second movie: Good: Suits were ok Bad: Made for children and all that comes with it Old cartoon Good: First season, good action and comedy Bad: Gradually degraded to just comedy New cartoon Good: Excellnt writing team has been able to create Mirage based show suitable for children. Bad: There have been some compromises |
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09-02-2003, 10:34 AM
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The Iron Dinosaur
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I would REALLY like to hear about what got cut out of the first movie, and of the new show's compromises. Could you elaberate?
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09-02-2003, 11:07 AM
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Everyone who has watched the show should know... So far Raph and Leo very rarely use their weapons to anything else than blocking. When a battle is over it seems that the foot ninja are only knocked out, I don't think that the TMNT have caused the death of any of the foot ninjas. Except maybe the two who fell down of a building in Shredder strikes part 1. It's still pretty impressive what they can do with a show that has rating of 7.
About the deleted scenes, I know only what I have learned from interviews, Judith Hoag said that the movie lost lots of it's soul due to editing, and I remember reading that some battle scenes got edited to. Nothing specific I can remember tough. |
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09-02-2003, 01:18 PM
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Random Punk
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-Old cartoon (1st season only)-
Good:Nicely stylized and shaded japanese animation style, very unique voices, great personalities and diversity of voice ranges Bad:Inconsisten drawing style, some sloppy animation, absurd amt of bloopers -New cartoon- Good:Consistent quality level of animation, more attention to actual fight choreography, more violent Bad:Horribly misplaced style for eyes, always blank and always frowning, the intention was good but it just doesnt work. Too much reliance on weapon blurs for lack of effort, (everyone can just twirl their weapons into a circuluar blur of destruction, which is neither realistic nor fun to look at, too easy to do)[/b] |
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09-02-2003, 01:38 PM
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Mad Scientist
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New cartoon good- Awesome stories
New cartoon bad-When they said "Turtles Forever!" and how the art for the new tmnt always has ying-yangs |
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09-02-2003, 02:20 PM
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Mad Scientist
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Old Cartoon
Good- Very funny cartoon, Krang, Technodrome, Dimension X, Shredder Bad- Pizza as a combat weapon, comedy was sometimes taken too far New Cartoon Good- Plenty of action, good voice actors, and well written stories Bad- Nano, GarbageMan, bad theme, the TMNT being portrayed weaker than they actually are in some spots. 1st movie- Good- Perfect blend of cartoon and mirage, well written, plenty of action, good costumes Bad- Severely cut 2nd movie- Good- Well thought out plot, was pretty funny Bad- New actress that played April, action toned down way too much, no Casey, Vanilla Ice 3rd movie- Good- Action somewhat increased, return of Casey, and funny Bad- Too many TV references, no Shredder, plot wasn't that good.
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09-02-2003, 03:11 PM
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Foot Soldier
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Mirage comics:
GOOD: Stories, characters BAD: Hard to find Archie comics: GOOD: Good ideas for new characters and storylines BAD: Art not too great Image comics: GOOD: A new direction for the series, characters BAD: Too much radical change First movie: GOOD: Story, action, dialogue BAD: Nothing Second movie: GOOD: Story, comedy BAD: The whole dance scene thing, not much use of weapons Third movie: GOOD: Casey jones returns BAD: Casey has a crappy part, horrible villians and execution of the story (time travel isn't that bad of an idea, just the way they did it) Old cartoon: GOOD: The Technodrome, all the cool characters BAD: Not too much character depth in the turtles The Next Mutation: GOOD: Tried to revive the franchise and continue the story BAD: Writing, Venus New cartoon: GOOD: Excellent story and characters, better fight scenes, artwork BAD: Not much that I can think of
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09-03-2003, 04:23 PM
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Mirage Comics (Vol. 1&2):
Good: The successful combination of action, adventure, and heart. Bad: Hedden McWeeney Image Comics: Good: Frank Fosco's art & the first five issues aren't all that bad. Bad: There's a lot, but CyborgDon is the worst. Mirage Comics (Vol. 4): Good: Michael Dooney's cover paintings. *drool* Bad: For the last few issues in particular, I've had the feeling that something was missing. And honestly, I think the thing missing is Kevin Eastman. Archie Comics: Good: Chris Allen's art and the stories he helped develop. Bad: That it ended! That was so not fair.. Dreamwave Comics: Good: Brilliant writing and art Bad: Selling your own variant cover at Comic-Con for $10! I got it for cover price from my comic store. What's up with that? Old Cartoon: Good: Insanely wacky/funny at times. And there are some really good episodes that are actually on the more serious side. Bad: The last two seasons. New Cartoon: Good: Everything Bad: I have to miss the first new episode *cry* Next Mutation: Good: I loved the humor. Bad: I don't hate the character, but I think the series could have been stronger without Venus. Movie 1: Good: Honestly, everything. It's a brilliant movie. Bad: Knowing that most people who saw the movie don't understand the depth it has. Movie 2: Good: The costumes.. they're just so adorable! Bad: Keno & Keno's whining Movie 3: Good: Fabulous story. Bad: Lack of a special effects budget.
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