Lord Dregg and O3 Shredder

[Yabuturtle]

I kind of wonder what it'd be like if they did Turtles Forever differently. Like if they used the Red Sky Version of the 1987 Turtles and the Back to the Sewers Version of the 03 Turtles or just the First Season of the 03 Turtles and had Lord Dregg work with 03 Shredder

Do you think they'd be a good team? I doub they'd want to work together but if they had to, they would work together to destroy the turtles. I could see them being a devastating team up and a serious threat. Not to mention they both had awesome voices.

Would Turtles Forever be better if they did it like this.

[Splinter the boss]

Perhaps, but I have to say that I watched turtles forever recently for the first time, and it's better than what everyone makes it out to be.

The original turtles's voices were awesome and threatening.

[ABrown]

I've thought about if Turtles Forever had featured the red sky era. But the whole point of the movie was basically about the way the original cartoon was for the majority of the show's run (seasons 1-7) compared to the more serious nature of the 4Kids series. So having the characters more in sync with each other wouldn't have really made a whole lot of sense for what the whole point of the movie was supposed to be.

[Yabuturtle]

Originally Posted by ABrown

I've thought about if Turtles Forever had featured the red sky era. But the whole point of the movie was basically about the way the original cartoon was for the majority of the show's run (seasons 1-7) compared to the more serious nature of the 4Kids series. So having the characters more in sync with each other wouldn't have really made a whole lot of sense for what the whole point of the movie was supposed to be.

I know that's what it was supposed to be, but I thought Turtles Forever was continuing where it left off, and wouldn't that include the 1987 one as the last villain they faced was Dregg. 4Kids got a little bit goofier with Back to the Sewers

It's strange the 87 toon started goofy and became serious and the 4kids one started serious and became goofy.

[VaughnMichael]

I don't think it would have went well.
Dregg would betray anyone to destroy the turtles.

[Wesley]

I don't think Dregg and 03 Shredder would team up. They would probably be at war with each other.

I thought Turtles Forever was a great movie anyway. There were a few moments in the film that I didn't like, but it's a fun movie to watch. It gets better on subsequent rewatches, in my opinion.

I did wonder a while ago why Turtles Forever didn't use some elements from the Red Sky seasons. I realised that the tone of the OT in the movie was based on the goofier mid seasons like three and four. It was in those seasons that the cartoon was at the height of its popularity, so it would make little sense to use elements from red sky when the show was in decline. A lot of people wouldn't have recognised Dregg and the more serious tone would have been alien to them. It's the same reason why the tone of the 2003 series was based on the serious first five seasons even though the show became a bit goofy in the last two seasons.

[Prowler]

Originally Posted by VaughnMichael

I don't think it would have went well.
Dregg would betray anyone to destroy the turtles.

Chrell was pretty vicious as well and kinda got to a point where he just wanted the Turtles dead.

Originally Posted by Wesley

I don't think Dregg and 03 Shredder would team up. They would probably be at war with each other.

I thought Turtles Forever was a great movie anyway. There were a few moments in the film that I didn't like, but it's a fun movie to watch. It gets better on subsequent rewatches, in my opinion.

I did wonder a while ago why Turtles Forever didn't use some elements from the Red Sky seasons. I realised that the 1987 elements in the movie were based on the goofier mid seasons like three and four. It was in those seasons that the cartoon was at the height of its popularity, so it would make little sense to use elements from red sky when the show was in decline. A lot of people wouldn't have recognised Dregg and the more serious tone would have been alien to them.

Yep, the Red Sky seasons have faded from the general audience memory. Hell, I doubt most fans of the original toon actually got to watch those seasons. Due to the TMNT popularity being pretty much dead by that point, I bet those final seasons didn't even air in some places.

[Icebot]

If they teamed up, they'd be unstoppable.

[Yabuturtle]

Originally Posted by Wesley

I don't think Dregg and 03 Shredder would team up. They would probably be at war with each other.

I thought Turtles Forever was a great movie anyway. There were a few moments in the film that I didn't like, but it's a fun movie to watch. It gets better on subsequent rewatches, in my opinion.

I did wonder a while ago why Turtles Forever didn't use some elements from the Red Sky seasons. I realised that the tone of the OT in the movie was based on the goofier mid seasons like three and four. It was in those seasons that the cartoon was at the height of its popularity, so it would make little sense to use elements from red sky when the show was in decline. A lot of people wouldn't have recognised Dregg and the more serious tone would have been alien to them. It's the same reason why the tone of the 2003 series was based on the serious first five seasons even though the show became a bit goofy in the last two seasons.

I could see them working together if they knew it'd be to their benefit. Villain teams usually don't last long however because both lust for power and have different ideas, or both would want the pleasure of destroying the Turtles themselves. Rat King tried to kill Shredder in Night of the Rogues and he returns to help Shredder again in the Red Sky seasons.

I'd see the alliance to be temporary at least and THEN they'd wage war against each other, which would be something to see if they fought each other and the Turtles would be caught in the middle. I did like Turtles Forever and I know the Red Sky seasons aren't as well known but it's a shame they didn't mention Dregg who was the main villain for two seasons. More surprisingly they didn't show General Tragg or any Rock Soldiers.

I figured if they would do a Turtles crossover, they'd use the 2 most competent villains. Dregg from the 87 toon and Shredder from the 03 toon. You can imagine how fearsome they'd be if they did team up.

[Wesley]

Originally Posted by Yabuturtle

I could see them working together if they knew it'd be to their benefit. Villain teams usually don't last long however because both lust for power and have different ideas, or both would want the pleasure of destroying the Turtles themselves. Rat King tried to kill Shredder in Night of the Rogues and he returns to help Shredder again in the Red Sky seasons.

I'd see the alliance to be temporary at least and THEN they'd wage war against each other, which would be something to see if they fought each other and the Turtles would be caught in the middle. I did like Turtles Forever and I know the Red Sky seasons aren't as well known but it's a shame they didn't mention Dregg who was the main villain for two seasons. More surprisingly they didn't show General Tragg or any Rock Soldiers.

I figured if they would do a Turtles crossover, they'd use the 2 most competent villains. Dregg from the 87 toon and Shredder from the 03 toon. You can imagine how fearsome they'd be if they did team up.

Sounds like a good idea for a movie. Dregg, Carter, Kronos and others could've been mentioned alright. I was surprised as well that General Tragg or any Rock Soldiers weren't shown. Krang did refer to them as "his troops from Dimension X", but he didn't say their names. There was a three-way battle between the Turtles, Dregg and Shredder in the 3 parter from season ten of the OT that was cool to see.

[Yabuturtle]

Originally Posted by Wesley

Sounds like a good idea for a movie. Dregg, Carter, Kronos and others could've been mentioned alright. I was surprised as well that General Tragg or any Rock Soldiers weren't shown. Krang did refer to them as "his troops from Dimension X", but he didn't say their names. There was a three-way battle between the Turtles, Dregg and Shredder in the 3 parter from season ten of the OT that was cool to see.

What I also found surprising was that the 1987 version of Casey Jones never showed up either. You saw 87 April and Splinter but not Casey. It would have been cool to see him and Usagi or Mondo Gecko or even the Punk Frogs. But at least the Turtles fought the robotic foot soldiers. I just wish they fought General Tragg and the Rock Soldiers, too.

I just feel Dregg has been pushed aside unfairly and it seems mostly it's because he wasn't Shredder or Krang.. He was one of, if not, the most dangerous enemy the 87 turtles ever fought and I felt he deserved more credit. He's arguably the most competent villain in the 87 toon and 03 Shredder is depicted as the most competent so I always wondered how devastating a team up like that would be. Esepcially if 03 Shredder had that suit that made him into a giant and Dregg had the morphing suit when he absorbed those 5 aliens' super powers.

[pferreira]

Originally Posted by Yabuturtle

What I also found surprising was that the 1987 version of Casey Jones never showed up either. You saw 87 April and Splinter but not Casey. It would have been cool to see him and Usagi or Mondo Gecko or even the Punk Frogs. But at least the Turtles fought the robotic foot soldiers. I just wish they fought General Tragg and the Rock Soldiers, too.

I just feel Dregg has been pushed aside unfairly and it seems mostly it's because he wasn't Shredder or Krang.. He was one of, if not, the most dangerous enemy the 87 turtles ever fought and I felt he deserved more credit. He's arguably the most competent villain in the 87 toon and 03 Shredder is depicted as the most competent so I always wondered how devastating a team up like that would be. Esepcially if 03 Shredder had that suit that made him into a giant and Dregg had the morphing suit when he absorbed those 5 aliens' super powers.

1987 Casey didn't show up because the he was a guest character in only a handful of episodes whereas 2003 was in almost every episode.

[Prowler]

Originally Posted by pferreira

1987 Casey didn't show up because the he was a guest character in only a handful of episodes whereas 2003 was in almost every episode.

And it's a good thing that Casey, as entertaining as he was, was only used sparingly in the FW series. He was too crazy and impulsive to be an important character. Also, could you imagine FW April and Casey having a relationship?

[ABrown]

Originally Posted by Prowler

And it's a good thing that Casey, as entertaining as he was, was only used sparingly in the FW series. He was too crazy and impulsive to be an important character. Also, could you imagine FW April and Casey having a relationship?

They by no mean had a relationship in the episode "Cyber-Turtles". However, I don't think it was a coincidence that the writers paired the two up for the episode.

[Yabuturtle]

I guess there was no way they could use Dregg in Turtles Forever, because by the time Dregg was around, the Technodrome was destroyed and we see the Technodrome in Turtles Forever so I guess it was set in Season 3 or 4. Still it'd be nice to see Dregg and it's kind of hard to ignore him since he wasn't an obscure villain, he was the main villain for 2 seasons after all.

I just figured if they wanted to turn up the threat level they would have Lord Dregg and 03 Shredder since both were threatening and competent.

[Wesley]

Originally Posted by Yabuturtle

I guess there was no way they could use Dregg in Turtles Forever, because by the time Dregg was around, the Technodrome was destroyed and we see the Technodrome in Turtles Forever so I guess it was set in Season 3 or 4. Still it'd be nice to see Dregg and it's kind of hard to ignore him since he wasn't an obscure villain, he was the main villain for 2 seasons after all.

I just figured if they wanted to turn up the threat level they would have Lord Dregg and 03 Shredder since both were threatening and competent.

It would have been nice to see Dregg alright. He could've just had a cameo appearance. When Turtles Forever was first announced, I kinda thought that the Red Sky seasons would be referenced so I was a bit disappointed that didn't happen. I think TF took place in an alternative continuity near the end of season 3.