Super Shredder Theories

**Kali** · 07-09-2002, 09:19 PM

Well, we got to talking about Super Shredder for a short time in one thread, and I thought it would be interesting to discuss this. These are just what I think and I'm wondering what everyone else thought about the Super Shredder transformation. Specifically, why does his costume mutate?

Theory One:
We have no PROOF that Shredder, or Tokka or Rahzar, or even the Turtles or Splinter DRANK the ooze. The Turtles SAY he did, but they didn't actually see him drink it. Maybe it was absorbed through his skin. Also, the ooze was "accidentally" created, and even the scientists at TGRI weren't quite sure of all its capabilities. Maybe it could mutate inorganic along with organic materials. Or maybe it merged the two, turning Shredder into a quasi-cyborg.

Theory Two:
Also, I have the theory that that wasn't Shredder. It was one of his flunkies who had been mutated before the fight and brought along as a surprise perhaps. Hence why Super Shredder is "American". As Professor Perry said, the mutation "takes time... days!" If so, then why would the mutation to Super Shredder take only minutes? Easy, it had taken days, only it wasn't Shredder, but another guinea pig. They probably wanted to see if the mutagen affected humans the same way it did animals (making them stronger and more "highly evolved".)

So, why do you think his costume mutates?

**azure turtle** · 07-10-2002, 04:36 AM

Hmm...I really like your first theory, Kali. The ooze could've had effects on inorganic material that no one knew about. I've got no idea on how to explain the odd mutation...

**Nturtle** · 07-10-2002, 10:15 AM

hmm... I never liked Super Shredder anyway, but as for effecting inorganic matter wouldn't that cause the canisters to mutate

But the real thing that bothers me about super shredder is that he was killed by what? a bunch of planks!!!! while regular shredder in the first movie was crushed by a garbage truck and buried under 10 feet of junk!!!!!!!!!

*Bowser_Koopa* · 07-10-2002, 11:55 AM

didn't he mutate into super shredder cuz he used all of the ooze nin the container?

**Kali** · 07-10-2002, 01:20 PM

Mutate the cannister? I never thought of that. It's always possible they used materials that were immune. But that seems to stab a hole in my first theory.

Yes, it was the ooze that mutated him. But why did his COSTUME mutate!?! There's also the time factor involved in the mutation.

Of course, this was just a movie, and not a very scientifically accurate one either. It's still fun to theorize.

*Skeletoncrew* · 07-10-2002, 02:31 PM

I agree that if the mutagen was able to affect the costume, it should have also affected the cannister. Whatever happened, I don't think his brain grew. Tearing the pier down was just lame.

**Kali** · 07-10-2002, 02:59 PM

Maybe it made him insane. The ooze could have, itself, mutated over the years to become something a bit different from what affected the Turtles and Splinter.

I still think it was one of his flunkies. Explaining why the costume was different, why he was out of character, and even why they had an American wrestler play him!

*Bowser_Koopa* · 07-10-2002, 03:07 PM

what is a cannister?

**Kali** · 07-10-2002, 03:10 PM

A canister is like a bottle or jar. A container. The canister from TMNT 2 is what held the ooze. Canister is what they kept using in the movie to describe it.

**Nturtle** · 07-10-2002, 04:59 PM

I can just imagine Super shredder on the WWF he looks as realistic as it too!!!

**azure turtle** · 07-10-2002, 05:14 PM

Yep! And the strange thing is...Kevin Nash, the guy who played Super Shredder, is currently employed by the WWE (formerly known as the WWF) once again! But it looks like he suffered an injury last night...

Kingkapong · 07-10-2002, 08:10 PM

atoms made from jars or containers don't usually combine with the mixture it contains. it all comes down into chemistry.

note: the reason why i'm not explaining my theory is because i'm out of
school so i'm not going to think (aka i'm too lazy)

07-09-2002, 09:19 PM	#1
Kali Inactive Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: California! Posts: 11,101	Super Shredder Theories Well, we got to talking about Super Shredder for a short time in one thread, and I thought it would be interesting to discuss this. These are just what I think and I'm wondering what everyone else thought about the Super Shredder transformation. Specifically, why does his costume mutate? Theory One: We have no PROOF that Shredder, or Tokka or Rahzar, or even the Turtles or Splinter DRANK the ooze. The Turtles SAY he did, but they didn't actually see him drink it. Maybe it was absorbed through his skin. Also, the ooze was "accidentally" created, and even the scientists at TGRI weren't quite sure of all its capabilities. Maybe it could mutate inorganic along with organic materials. Or maybe it merged the two, turning Shredder into a quasi-cyborg. Theory Two: Also, I have the theory that that wasn't Shredder. It was one of his flunkies who had been mutated before the fight and brought along as a surprise perhaps. Hence why Super Shredder is "American". As Professor Perry said, the mutation "takes time... days!" If so, then why would the mutation to Super Shredder take only minutes? Easy, it had taken days, only it wasn't Shredder, but another guinea pig. They probably wanted to see if the mutagen affected humans the same way it did animals (making them stronger and more "highly evolved".) So, why do you think his costume mutates?

07-10-2002, 04:36 AM	#2
azure turtle Mango Lovin' Mutant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 9,453	Hmm...I really like your first theory, Kali. The ooze could've had effects on inorganic material that no one knew about. I've got no idea on how to explain the odd mutation... __________________ "God, I love being a turtle!" Want to meet the only blue ninja turtle in existence? Come visit me at my Lair!

07-10-2002, 02:31 PM	#6
Skeletoncrew Foot Elite Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Bearing in on your spicy brains Posts: 3,275	I agree that if the mutagen was able to affect the costume, it should have also affected the cannister. Whatever happened, I don't think his brain grew. Tearing the pier down was just lame. __________________ Adult TMNT fan art and fiction contest Now accepting entries!

07-10-2002, 05:14 PM	#11
azure turtle Mango Lovin' Mutant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 9,453	Yep! And the strange thing is...Kevin Nash, the guy who played Super Shredder, is currently employed by the WWE (formerly known as the WWF) once again! But it looks like he suffered an injury last night... __________________ "God, I love being a turtle!" Want to meet the only blue ninja turtle in existence? Come visit me at my Lair!

07-10-2002, 08:10 PM	#12
Kingkapong Stone Warrior Join Date: May 2002 Location: T.O. Canada Posts: 548	atoms made from jars or containers don't usually combine with the mixture it contains. it all comes down into chemistry. note: the reason why i'm not explaining my theory is because i'm out of school so i'm not going to think (aka i'm too lazy) __________________ Go leafs go!

07-10-2002, 10:15 AM	#3
Nturtle Ninja Master Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Technodrome Airducts Posts: 5,215	hmm... I never liked Super Shredder anyway, but as for effecting inorganic matter wouldn't that cause the canisters to mutate But the real thing that bothers me about super shredder is that he was killed by what? a bunch of planks!!!! while regular shredder in the first movie was crushed by a garbage truck and buried under 10 feet of junk!!!!!!!!!

07-10-2002, 11:55 AM	#4
Bowser_Koopa Very yes Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Not so far, go back a little Posts: 1,849	didn't he mutate into super shredder cuz he used all of the ooze nin the container?

07-10-2002, 01:20 PM	#5
Kali Inactive Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: California! Posts: 11,101	Mutate the cannister? I never thought of that. It's always possible they used materials that were immune. But that seems to stab a hole in my first theory. Yes, it was the ooze that mutated him. But why did his COSTUME mutate!?! There's also the time factor involved in the mutation. Of course, this was just a movie, and not a very scientifically accurate one either. It's still fun to theorize.

07-10-2002, 02:59 PM	#7
Kali Inactive Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: California! Posts: 11,101	Maybe it made him insane. The ooze could have, itself, mutated over the years to become something a bit different from what affected the Turtles and Splinter. I still think it was one of his flunkies. Explaining why the costume was different, why he was out of character, and even why they had an American wrestler play him!

07-10-2002, 03:07 PM	#8
Bowser_Koopa Very yes Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Not so far, go back a little Posts: 1,849	what is a cannister?

07-10-2002, 03:10 PM	#9
Kali Inactive Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: California! Posts: 11,101	A canister is like a bottle or jar. A container. The canister from TMNT 2 is what held the ooze. Canister is what they kept using in the movie to describe it.

07-10-2002, 04:59 PM	#10
Nturtle Ninja Master Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Technodrome Airducts Posts: 5,215	I can just imagine Super shredder on the WWF he looks as realistic as it too!!!