Marvel's Shock Captain America Twist

[ZariusTwo]

Spoilers for this week's issue. Bleeding Cool previously said ths would be more shocking than the Rebirth twist.

http://www.theouthousers.com/index.p...-rogers-1.html

Spoiler:

Steve Rogers: Agent of HYDRA since childhood

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Spoilers for this week's issue. Bleeding Cool previously said ths would be more shocking than the Rebirth twist.

http://www.theouthousers.com/index.p...-rogers-1.html

Spoiler:

Steve Rogers: Agent of HYDRA since childhood

Huh. Fascinating.

[TurtleTitan97]

[plastroncafe]

Makes sense.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

Makes sense.

How so? Care to elaborate?

[plastroncafe]

Sure.

Spoiler:

Given the popularity of the movie universe, where SHIELD was always a hotbed of Hydra activity, it makes sense that if they're going to integrate those changes into their world more fully...that Cap would be in on it.

[oldmanwinters]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

Sure.

Spoiler:

Given the popularity of the movie universe, where SHIELD was always a hotbed of Hydra activity, it makes sense that if they're going to integrate those changes into their world more fully...that Cap would be in on it.

Just because something is trendy doesn't mean it's a good idea!

Next thing you know... Peter Parker was in cahoots with Uncle Ben's killer due to some childish resentment of not knowing his true father. Thus, his guilt over Ben's death is due to the fact he truly was responsible.

I think the second season of Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes gave us the best "What if Captain America was an evil double agent?" twist possible. And after that, probably Marvel What-If? Vol. 2, #28-29.

[plastroncafe]

I'm not defending the spoiler, I'm merely saying that I don't think it's as "out of left field" as others seem to believe it to be.

I don't have a horse in this race as I've never read a Cap book, nor am I likely to do so in the future.

[snake]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

I'm not defending the spoiler, I'm merely saying that I don't think it's as "out of left field" as others seem to believe it to be.

I don't have a horse in this race as I've never read a Cap book, nor am I likely to do so in the future.

So you won't offer your opinion simply because Marvel does other stupid sh*t and you don't read cap books?

Gee, by that logic I can't offer my opinion on anything I haven't expierienced, watched, or read not because it's sh*t or looks like sh*t, but because I haven't consumed or experienced it yet?

That sounds a lot like the new Ghostbusters defenders.

[plastroncafe]

That's not what I said at all, try again.
Maybe realign your ax on the grindstone.

[ZariusTwo]

I have read some interesting defences of the twist over on 4Chan's /co/ board, though it's become a /pol/-level hodgepodge there as a result.

I mean, at least they're not calling this Superior Captain America just yet.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

Sure.

Spoiler:

Given the popularity of the movie universe, where SHIELD was always a hotbed of Hydra activity, it makes sense that if they're going to integrate those changes into their world more fully...that Cap would be in on it.

Okay, you're speaking from Marvel's point of view, aka the business side of things. On that I agree with you completely.

I thought you were speaking to the character. I'll be interested to see how they play this out, but it's quite an intriguing premise...

[plastroncafe]

I'm sure if given enough time I could come up with a fairly convincing fanwank about how this would be entirely in-character for Cap, but again...no horse in this race.

But from a Getting Books Off The Shelves point of view, yeah...merging more elements from different parts of their universe, especially portions of it that cater to a newer fanbase, is a decent idea.

[snake]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

That's not what I said at all, try again.
Maybe realign your ax on the grindstone.

You literally said you won't offer your opinion because you've never read cap. Yet you say you aren't defending it? You're always so vague it's hard to tell what you're implying without trying a couple times.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by snake

You literally said you won't offer your opinion because you've never read cap. Yet you say you aren't defending it? You're always so vague it's hard to tell what you're implying without trying a couple times.

Loving the new sig.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

I don't read comics anymore, and stuff like this is part of why.

I get that both Marvel and DC have to introduce big twists every now and then to pull in readers, but honestly I can't imagine it ever working. I feel like longtime readers would only be pissed off, and any potential newcomers would just be confused.

Can't they try to draw in new readers by, like, making a cool cover and having some solid writing?

[plastroncafe]

I literally said nothing of the sort.
Your flamewar is in another castle.

Originally Posted by TheSkeletonMan939

I don't read comics anymore, and stuff like this is part of why.

I get that both Marvel and DC have to introduce big twists every now and then to pull in readers, but honestly I can't imagine it ever working. I feel like longtime readers would only be pissed off, and any potential newcomers would just be confused.

Can't they try to draw in new readers by, like, making a cool cover and having some solid writing?

Because solid writing is a long game which requires the bigwigs to take a gamble they could lose.
People want flash, bang, and boom. Or...so the bigwigs keep insisting.

[TurtleTitan97]

Originally Posted by TheSkeletonMan939

Can't they try to draw in new readers by, like, making a cool cover and having some solid writing?

I wish. I miss the days when comics use to do stuff like that.

[snake]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

I'm sure if given enough time I could come up with a fairly convincing fanwank about how this would be entirely in-character for Cap, but again...no horse in this race.

But from a Getting Books Off The Shelves point of view, yeah...merging more elements from different parts of their universe, especially portions of it that cater to a newer fanbase, is a decent idea.

A decent idea from a book selling and casual catering perspective. It's the same stupid sh*t every year from Marvel. Nothing matters or even has long lasting effects but while the twist is still active it's f*cking everywhere. Remember Siege? Remember the skrull sh*t? Red Hulk? Superior Spider-Man? An event every year promising some sort of shock?

If you aren't running marvel or profitting off them, I have no idea how this is a good idea just based off face value. I'm gonna check this book out tommorow, but I'm sure as hell not paying for it.

[snake]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

I literally said nothing of the sort.
Your flamewar is in another castle.

I'm not flaming. I never said anything that can be considered flaming.