The Karai/Miwa idea from TMNT 2012

[Torterra]

So what's your feeling on Karai's character in the tmnt 2012 series? Like did you like the idea of Karai being Splinter's lost daughter? did you hate it? Were you okay with it but just hated how long that subplot took and the conclusion?

[neatoman]

Having Hamato Yoshi fathering a child before he dies or (ugh) mutating into a Splinter (ugh), is not inherently a bad idea nor is having the child be a servant of the Shredder. Having this character be the same as Karai... Not sure that's such a good idea. Seems to me like Miwa could exist as her own character below Shredder and Karai, that way you can have Karai without (ugh) mutating her into a snake and betraying the Foot (ugh).

But ultimately what matters the most is how the idea is handled and it wasn't handled very well. As presented, she has no problem joining Splinter once she finds out the truth, doesn't turn evil despite knowing the truth and had to be brainwashed in order to remain a villain for a little longer. The frustrating part is that Raph actually points out the possibilities, it's like the writers were taunting the audience by saying "We know what would have been a story, have our ****** one instead, bitches!".

Here's a list of missed opportunities:

• She could have found out the truth and intentionally lead Splinter into a trap, making her evil regardless of knowing.
• She could have been conflicted instead of just picking Splinter.
• She could have straight up died instead of mutating, thereby giving the plot more serious consequence.
• She could have remained a mindless beast.
• She could rejoined Shredder willingly if the mutation had been Splinter's fault instead.
• She could have become the new Shredder and taken his place despite having been an ally.

Not saying these couldn't have been botched too, but they would make for better drama in theory.

[newfan]

It's easier for me to say I liked it when I came into the franchise with this show but I loved this character and mostly liked the storyline. I'd take her being Yoshi's daughter again if it came up but also I'd be happy for that not to be the case either. I did like her not being just bad though, turning sides as she did here or at least able to ally.

I did feel that little bit irritated at how when she finally finds out we get the mutation followed by the brainworm which lasted more eps than I would like. Although I would have liked things sorted out sooner it did kind of lay the way for her to be on her own path when she came back, I guess they also had the issue of not taking too much focus off Splinter with the turtles, I feel they kinda got that by having her be a little more distant than Splinter would have liked (though that was kinda sad for Splinter).

I might have liked to have seen a little conflict with Shredder, but then remembering what he did to her and shutting off those emotions before going after him.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Which episode was her final appearance in snake mutant form?

[newfan]

Originally Posted by Original TMNT Cartoon Fan

Which episode was her final appearance in snake mutant form?

I might be wrong but I am thinking it was The forgotten swordsman in season 5, so the first arc, I don't remember seeing it again after that... Leo had a hallucination of her in part snake form (I think she was anyway) in the monster arc where they were hallucinating their fears and his was her turning bad again.