TMNT Armageddon Game #7. Preview and Discussion

hypered1 · 04-26-2023, 12:01 PM

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TheLabRat · 04-26-2023, 12:27 PM

I hope Krang is really dead in the end, there is no reason to bring him back.

Null's failure was very disappointing. Her minions suddenly and inexplicably bite her back because they didn't want to be her slave. Everything is anti-climactic.

~~ChosenOne~~ · 04-26-2023, 12:54 PM

Not gonna lie, this felt somewhat underwhelming, especially compared to what I was expecting.

*CyberCubed* · 04-26-2023, 01:55 PM

I really enjoyed Krang's end, especially since this is his "third" death in the series. Seeing the Neutrinos/Fugitoid and particularly the King deliver the final blow felt fitting. And Donatello destroyed Metalhead once and for all as well.

Kleve and some of the other Utroms who sided with Ch'rell were imprisoned, and Traag/Granitor are captured again. I wonder how they'll deal with the fallout in the next issues, how many Triceratons are still alive? The Utroms and Triceratons still have to find a new homeworld in space to live on, so we still have that to deal with. I am just glad the Utrom/Triceraton conflict is finally over.

Null's defeat did happen fast (as I mentioned, seemed like a continuity glitch with Null's escape from all those Foot Soldiers apparently happened off-screen), but Krisa turning on her felt fitting. Null is captured and not killed, so I guess they'll throw her in with her cousin? So all these years all Null planned to do was put mutants in a slave trade for Dimension X? This is what the writers were brewing with her since 2016? lol.

But overall I am glad to see things come to a close. All these villains honestly should of been dealt with years ago. If Rat King really is defeated in the final issue than all the "big" villains are done, since Baxter seemingly will fall out of being Mayor, and Shredder and Karai still seem "good" as far as we can tell right now.

~~ChosenOne~~ · 04-26-2023, 03:36 PM

Wouldn't be surprised to see Stockman fail upwards in the political food chain. If there's a way, he'll find it.

And smart money says the Utroms and Triceratons will indeed find a new homeworld, only to find themselves in some sort of trouble there which will require the help of the Turtles. There's a lot of mileage in that concept.

*neatoman* · 04-26-2023, 03:46 PM

I'm a bit confused as to what the point of "killing off" Krang before killing him off was, wouldn't it be enough to just kill him off here?

*CyberCubed* · 04-26-2023, 05:20 PM

I just realized Ma'riell and Regenta are now the leaders of the Utroms and Triceratons, so they will likely work out a peaceful solution for the rest of their kind. I do hope they can find a suitable planet for them to relocate to so they don't drag it out of them staying on Burnow Island again for another 20+ issues off-screen like the last time. But overall the villains are done.

I assume the Nova Posse will take Null back with them to imprison. It's kinda funny how Karai and the Foot were pretty much not involved in any of this conflict but stopping the gang of 4, who were Null's henchmen.

We know from the next solicitations Dr. Barlow and Leatherhead are the next story arc, so I guess we can see Barlow defeated soon too and Leatherhead given some closure.

TheLabRat · 04-26-2023, 06:50 PM

Krang's story should end in The Trial of Krang arc. Whether Krang ended up being sentenced to death, or Leatherhead digested him without being parasitized.

*MikeandRaph87* · 05-12-2023, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by TheLabRat

Krang's story should end in The Trial of Krang arc. Whether Krang ended up being sentenced to death, or Leatherhead digested him without being parasitized.

I felt let down by Krang's arc. He is separated from Leatherhead and takes on Metalhead as his robotic suit only for Chrell to defeat him thanks to fellow backstabbing and an issue later is killed for good? I don't see the point. Sure, none of the three of them were going to work together and have their own plans which is why they fail as the heroes reach across the aisle and are able to work together. Krang's use was just a letdown.

Zog The Magnificent · 05-12-2023, 10:55 PM

I agree. Krang's story WAS over back in Trial of Krang. Because honestly, what did he acomplish since then? He wandered around attached to Leatherhead for 50 issues or so doing nothing, then got detached with no effort, immediately went to go fight Ch'rell, lost in 4 pages, then came back to life AGAIN, then died the very next issue AGAIN. There was no room for him in the story at this point, and it shows in the writing and the way they ultimately handled him. It would have been better for him to have just had his original arc up to #44, followed by the epilogue in Trial of Krang closing the book on him for good. Because at the end of the day, what did his survival amount to? Absolutely NOTHING.

~~ChosenOne~~ · 05-13-2023, 05:51 PM

What annoys me the most is how passive the Turtles are in the face of everything. Saki warned them about the pending doom, Karai took out the Gang of Four and Stockman, Seri took out Ch'rell, Zenter took out Krang, Krisa took out Null, and I bet you in the end it'll be Kitsune and/or Saki who take out Rat King. You could pull a "Garfield Without Garfield" on Armageddon Game, remove the Turtles, and it would've shaken out pretty much the same. What even is the point of the TMNT in their own comic anymore?

TheLabRat · 05-13-2023, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by ChosenOne

What annoys me the most is how passive the Turtles are in the face of everything. Saki warned them about the pending doom, Karai took out the Gang of Four and Stockman, Seri took out Ch'rell, Zenter took out Krang, Krisa took out Null, and I bet you in the end it'll be Kitsune and/or Saki who take out Rat King. You could pull a "Garfield Without Garfield" on Armageddon Game, remove the Turtles, and it would've shaken out pretty much the same. What even is the point of the TMNT in their own comic anymore?

Seems like they can only accept aids from others, even if that person was their old enemy who killed them in the past life, or the demigod fox who brainwashed Leo. It's funny how the Turtles try to pretend they have a problem with Kitsune's help and still accept her. For now, the Turtles are like pawns who have no opinions of their own at all. No one want to see the protagonists become like this.

*Andrew NDB* · 05-13-2023, 11:40 PM

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What annoys me the most is how passive the Turtles are in the face of everything. Saki warned them about the pending doom, Karai took out the Gang of Four and Stockman, Seri took out Ch'rell, Zenter took out Krang, Krisa took out Null

As in, they actually killed them? This might all be their way around Nick not letting the Turtles kill. Which is such a stupid, stupid quandary.

Zog The Magnificent · 05-14-2023, 09:32 AM

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As in, they actually killed them? This might all be their way around Nick not letting the Turtles kill. Which is such a stupid, stupid quandary.

It's especially stupid when it doesn't even seem to be "the heroes shouldn't kill anyone." It's literally JUST the turtles. A bunch of their other allies are allowed to kill, even the ones that aren't "antiheroes." Even the friggin' wesels got to kill by slicing a man's throat open on screen, but somehow the turtles themselves are never allowed to kill anyone.

~~ChosenOne~~ · 05-14-2023, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

As in, they actually killed them? This might all be their way around Nick not letting the Turtles kill. Which is such a stupid, stupid quandary.

Especially when you have Leo cutting off Zodi's stinger. The idea of holding a severed piece of one's body in one's hands seems to me far more horrific than just being killed in combat, but what do I know? Not to mention that the tip of Zodi's tail is almost as thick as her waist, meaning she would bleed to death in no time anyway.

TheLabRat · 05-14-2023, 10:24 AM

It's really incomprehensible that they made many IDW TMNT villains super evil and psychotic while making the turtles more peace-loving like the saint. Hate to say it, but maybe even FW turtles are more brutal than IDW turtles.

Zog The Magnificent · 05-14-2023, 12:08 PM

I think I've pointed this out somewhere else, but the No Kill policy for the IDW turtles also never made sense due to the fact that the 2012 turtles, which were made an owned by the same company and arguably have more mainstream exposure than the comic book, were allowed to kill some of their villains, up to and INCLUDING Shredder at the end of season 4.

Cloudrunner · 05-14-2023, 05:31 PM

So... question. According to the release order, TMNT 140 (which is a post-Armageddon Game book) is coming out a full month before Armageddon Game #8. Is that accurate? If so, how'd they manage to **** that one up?

Monty Mole · 05-14-2023, 05:59 PM

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So... question. According to the release order, TMNT 140 (which is a post-Armageddon Game book) is coming out a full month before Armageddon Game #8. Is that accurate? If so, how'd they manage to **** that one up?

Maybe they didn't care because they're getting laid off

*ToTheNines* · 02-01-2026, 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

As in, they actually killed them? This might all be their way around Nick not letting the Turtles kill. Which is such a stupid, stupid quandary.

- Gang of Four arrested.
- Stockman outmaneuvered and forced to quit being a prick.
- Krang was shot in the head by Ch’rell, revived by Metalhead, then shot again by King Zenter an issue or two later. He’s definitely dead.
- Null was apprehended by Krisa, her snake mutant soldier. Leo refused to let anyone kill her. She’s imprisoned in a stasis pod.
- Noi Tai Dar was the worst of it. Leo had “summoned” his Dark Leo self and took him down alongside Shredder. Saki tells him to finish him off, but even as Dark Leo he still sissies out and refuses. So he’s imprisoned in Dimension Z.

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It's especially stupid when it doesn't even seem to be "the heroes shouldn't kill anyone." It's literally JUST the turtles. A bunch of their other allies are allowed to kill, even the ones that aren't "antiheroes." Even the friggin' wesels got to kill by slicing a man's throat open on screen, but somehow the turtles themselves are never allowed to kill anyone.

I know we say this all the time, but it’s so mind blowing. In “Owari”, Leo definitively kills Shredder in a barely-censored decapitation. Imagine how many god damn 4 and 5 year old kids were watching that episode when it aired lol.

Meanwhile you have this comic series that started in 2011 that had way less readers than that show ever had viewers. Even being generous and assuming someone was a little on the younger side when it started, they’re easily in their mid twenties by now.

But let’s be real, everyone reading this comic is 35-50. But they handle the turtles with kid gloves. I’ll never understand it… the 2012 turtles kill, the 4kids turtles kill, IDW reprinted almost all of Mirage and Image, plenty of lethal turtle instances there. But no, the IDW turtles have to be wimps.

04-26-2023, 12:01 PM	#1
hypered1 Mad Scientist Join Date: Jun 2017 Posts: 1,404	TMNT Armageddon Game #7. Preview and Discussion Spoiler: __________________

04-26-2023, 12:27 PM	#2
TheLabRat Stone Warrior Join Date: Feb 2023 Posts: 804	I hope Krang is really dead in the end, there is no reason to bring him back. Null's failure was very disappointing. Her minions suddenly and inexplicably bite her back because they didn't want to be her slave. Everything is anti-climactic.

04-26-2023, 12:54 PM	#3
~~ChosenOne~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 3,951	Not gonna lie, this felt somewhat underwhelming, especially compared to what I was expecting.

04-26-2023, 01:55 PM	#4
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,825	I really enjoyed Krang's end, especially since this is his "third" death in the series. Seeing the Neutrinos/Fugitoid and particularly the King deliver the final blow felt fitting. And Donatello destroyed Metalhead once and for all as well. Kleve and some of the other Utroms who sided with Ch'rell were imprisoned, and Traag/Granitor are captured again. I wonder how they'll deal with the fallout in the next issues, how many Triceratons are still alive? The Utroms and Triceratons still have to find a new homeworld in space to live on, so we still have that to deal with. I am just glad the Utrom/Triceraton conflict is finally over. Null's defeat did happen fast (as I mentioned, seemed like a continuity glitch with Null's escape from all those Foot Soldiers apparently happened off-screen), but Krisa turning on her felt fitting. Null is captured and not killed, so I guess they'll throw her in with her cousin? So all these years all Null planned to do was put mutants in a slave trade for Dimension X? This is what the writers were brewing with her since 2016? lol. But overall I am glad to see things come to a close. All these villains honestly should of been dealt with years ago. If Rat King really is defeated in the final issue than all the "big" villains are done, since Baxter seemingly will fall out of being Mayor, and Shredder and Karai still seem "good" as far as we can tell right now.

04-26-2023, 03:36 PM	#5
~~ChosenOne~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 3,951	Wouldn't be surprised to see Stockman fail upwards in the political food chain. If there's a way, he'll find it. And smart money says the Utroms and Triceratons will indeed find a new homeworld, only to find themselves in some sort of trouble there which will require the help of the Turtles. There's a lot of mileage in that concept.

04-26-2023, 05:20 PM	#7
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,825	I just realized Ma'riell and Regenta are now the leaders of the Utroms and Triceratons, so they will likely work out a peaceful solution for the rest of their kind. I do hope they can find a suitable planet for them to relocate to so they don't drag it out of them staying on Burnow Island again for another 20+ issues off-screen like the last time. But overall the villains are done. I assume the Nova Posse will take Null back with them to imprison. It's kinda funny how Karai and the Foot were pretty much not involved in any of this conflict but stopping the gang of 4, who were Null's henchmen. We know from the next solicitations Dr. Barlow and Leatherhead are the next story arc, so I guess we can see Barlow defeated soon too and Leatherhead given some closure.

04-26-2023, 06:50 PM	#8
TheLabRat Stone Warrior Join Date: Feb 2023 Posts: 804	Krang's story should end in The Trial of Krang arc. Whether Krang ended up being sentenced to death, or Leatherhead digested him without being parasitized.

05-12-2023, 10:55 PM	#10
Zog The Magnificent Stone Warrior Join Date: Nov 2015 Posts: 830	I agree. Krang's story WAS over back in Trial of Krang. Because honestly, what did he acomplish since then? He wandered around attached to Leatherhead for 50 issues or so doing nothing, then got detached with no effort, immediately went to go fight Ch'rell, lost in 4 pages, then came back to life AGAIN, then died the very next issue AGAIN. There was no room for him in the story at this point, and it shows in the writing and the way they ultimately handled him. It would have been better for him to have just had his original arc up to #44, followed by the epilogue in Trial of Krang closing the book on him for good. Because at the end of the day, what did his survival amount to? Absolutely NOTHING.

05-13-2023, 05:51 PM	#11
~~ChosenOne~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 3,951	What annoys me the most is how passive the Turtles are in the face of everything. Saki warned them about the pending doom, Karai took out the Gang of Four and Stockman, Seri took out Ch'rell, Zenter took out Krang, Krisa took out Null, and I bet you in the end it'll be Kitsune and/or Saki who take out Rat King. You could pull a "Garfield Without Garfield" on Armageddon Game, remove the Turtles, and it would've shaken out pretty much the same. What even is the point of the TMNT in their own comic anymore?

05-14-2023, 10:24 AM	#16
TheLabRat Stone Warrior Join Date: Feb 2023 Posts: 804	It's really incomprehensible that they made many IDW TMNT villains super evil and psychotic while making the turtles more peace-loving like the saint. Hate to say it, but maybe even FW turtles are more brutal than IDW turtles.

05-14-2023, 12:08 PM	#17
Zog The Magnificent Stone Warrior Join Date: Nov 2015 Posts: 830	I think I've pointed this out somewhere else, but the No Kill policy for the IDW turtles also never made sense due to the fact that the 2012 turtles, which were made an owned by the same company and arguably have more mainstream exposure than the comic book, were allowed to kill some of their villains, up to and INCLUDING Shredder at the end of season 4.

05-14-2023, 05:31 PM	#18
Cloudrunner Hench Mutant Join Date: Apr 2018 Posts: 262	So... question. According to the release order, TMNT 140 (which is a post-Armageddon Game book) is coming out a full month before Armageddon Game #8. Is that accurate? If so, how'd they manage to **** that one up?