Marvel Studios Hold Crisis Talks At September Summit

[ZariusTwo]

Crisis talks were held at the MCU creative summit in September. Doctor Doom was considered to replace Kang as the big bad of Phase V, but apparently trying to exclude Majors entirely has left the studio royally '****ed' according to one insider, apparently Loki's season two finale makes any such pivot difficult.



Also there's been talks to bring back Downey Jr and Johansson down the road for an Avengers reunion movie.



https://variety.com/2023/film/featur...ng-1235774940/

[Coola Yagami]

I mean at this point, what can they really do except full reboot.

I'd just hate to see Tony and Natasha come back during this new woke Era unless it's to poke fun at it. I can see Tony being enough of a smartass to do that but would he be allowed to is the question.

[IMJ]

Where are all of the forum woke-basement-dwellers now? Why aren't they out saving Marvel with their philosophies and spending power?

Must be all of the "racists".

[CyberCubed]

It's time to do a full reboot, and of course bring in the X-men and Fantastic 4 to this rebooted universe from the start. They can keep Spider-man (Tom Holland) in his own movies as that's all that matters.

[Andrew NDB]

No need for a reboot. Just recast anyone who's "done" and move on with things. Bring back Iron Man with a new actor, Steve Rogers with a new actor, T'Challa, etc.. Easy math.

[Galactus]

It was always strange to they wanted Kang as the big bad of Secret Wars when both the comic versions had Doctor Doom as the central antagonist. People may argue that the MCU is never true to the comics but save for a few admittedly major deviations the movies are generally truer to the original stories and characters than most comic book movie franchises.

We know Secret Wars was always going to be the big crossover event that they would take multiple phases to build up just like Infinity War but then they bumped up the movies based on that story. The whole thing struck me as an ever so slight panic at Shang Chi and Eternals not doing huge numbers and them going "see we got Avengers back and with it being a multiverse movie all the characters will come back".

I presume the original plan was to have one or two Fantastic Four movies to set up Doom for Secret Wars but since they bumped up their plans they replaced him with Kang who they were already setting up to be the bad guy of a stand-alone Avengers movie. Their thinking was probably something along the lines of "well they both wear suits of armor and want to take over the world so we can replace one with other". It might have worked if the actor they chose hadn't multiple criminal charges hanging over his head and now we're faced with a similar conundrum as the Distinguished Competition had with Ezra Miller.

There is obviously no ideal solution but for me the best and simplest way to deal with this problem is for them to admit they have one. Say the situation means they are altering their movie slate delaying the three Avengers movies until the situation with Majors is resolved. If he is innocent then they can go ahead with those Avengers movies with him as the villain and if not then recast Kang...or if they have debuted Doom by that point have him as the villain of Secret Wars.

Originally Posted by IMJ

Where are all of the forum woke-basement-dwellers now? Why aren't they out saving Marvel with their philosophies and spending power?

Must be all of the "racists".

The crisis meetings are less to do with Marvel Studios not doing financially well (and most of their releases still likely will) but more to do with what to do with Jonathan Majors and their struggling VFX workers. I'd thought that was clear if you read the article or even the OP but you were so eager to have a rant about wokeness you didn't feel the need to fully understand what you were supposed to be responding to.

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by Galactus

The crisis meetings are less to do with Marvel Studios not doing financially well (and most of their releases still likely will) but more to do with what to do with Jonathan Majors and their struggling VFX workers. I'd thought that was clear if you read the article or even the OP but you were so eager to have a rant about wokeness you didn't feel the need to fully understand what you were supposed to be responding to.

Yeah okay clown.

See, I don't need you to clarify, clown. Because, clown, what I said was:

Where are all of the forum woke-basement-dwellers now? Why aren't they out saving Marvel with their philosophies and spending power?

The comment was clearly about clowns like you not out supporting your woke $#!( agenda with your own money. Say what you want, but the simple fact is that if it made money they wouldn't be "crisis mode". The end.

And these effects trickle down, and clowns like you can keep saying "words" but the more information that continues to come out the more there will be financial information pointing to the bottom dropping out and it will be clearly corelated to the more and more "woke" the product got. Clown.

And it will continue to be pointed out as it progresses, that the weird woke agenda was facilitated by corporate weirdos and abusive leaders which will further diminish "woke content" as it becomes evident to incels still defending woke $#!( that the entire movement was facilitated by the life-angry manipulator for the mobilization of the peasant-thinker-clown to eat it up.

So sorry for you. Clown. But keep grasping at straws - I'll be celebrating as I watch the whole machine crumble down as the bottom falls out as was sociologically inevtiable even only a few years back to anyone with a brain. Woke $#!( is "beanie babies" for the life-angry-loser and it's run pop culture into the ground. While clowns like you continue to spin words. Clown.

-Woke, race swapped Jonathon Majors backfired - ironically because of behavioral concerns.
-Woke projects Shang Chi and the Eternals were ultimately failed "experiments." Technodrome poster Galactus will say they were "successful". But no sign of Shang Chi or the Eternals on film or in cameos anywhere.
-The Marvels - woke "M SHE U" project looks like it's backfiring badly. Technodrome poster Galactus will say something about the upcoming box office just to hang on tightly to his bull$#(. Clown bull$#!(.
-Marvel has had VFX problems. Because they were in a rush to grab onto the peasant-thinker woke zeitgeist of the time. That's what businesses do - they overproduce when they have a perceived cash grab movement. Technodrome forum poster Galactus will ignore the correlation completely as he continues his clown-thought processes.
-The Blade movie looks like it was cancelled after all of the woke backlash - it seems the movie was going to sideline Blade for a - guess what? Woke gender-swapped character to pass the torch too.
-The entire phase was birthed out of MCU creators chasing the fundamental woke ideology that asserts putting basically anything other than a white male lead front and center is where it's at. The rest of the world has walked from ticket sales and merchandise sales in a direct correlation to this pattern, but Technodrome Forum poster Galactus will spin words so that he can hold onto his clown-world-reality.
-Now Disney is reportedly looking at bringing back the traditional Avengers? But why would they do this if woke $#!( was so "profitable" and not costing them dollars? They wouldn't do it - they would either march forward or they would right the ship maybe with different woke projects. But they are cancelling all of their woke $#!) or watching it fail financially. But Technodrome forum poster Galactus will spin this in some direction that ignores or denies that correlation. Like a clown who can't evaluate or understand the world around him properly.

Clown. Don't talk to me about comprehension, clown.

[Sumac]

Guess they are that desperate, huh?
Talking about mismanagement. But wokescolds will pretend that its anything, but holy-Feige and Disney ****ing up one of the biggest franchises in the world in the name of quick profits and woke politics. After all what can you expect from brainless consoomers.

Talking about brainless consooomers:

Originally Posted by Galactus

The crisis meetings are less to do with Marvel Studios not doing financially well (and most of their releases still likely will) but more to do with what to do with Jonathan Majors and their struggling VFX workers. I'd thought that was clear if you read the article or even the OP but you were so eager to have a rant about wokeness you didn't feel the need to fully understand what you were supposed to be responding to.

You must have reading comprehension of a mole, since the whole article, basically hammers one single point: MCU had screwed up when they have started to chase down quick profits AND woke politics.

How can you arrive to another possible conclusion, when article specifically states that Marvels is about to be ****ed up and Blade reboot was nearly turned into FEHMALE EMPOWERRMNT flick. Not to mention all this stuff before.

You are either brainwashed that you can't see obvious or you are just willfully ignorant, because, you are a little scared kid, who created in his mind weird country of pink ponies and now faces with the terror when its being torn down, not by imaginary nazis, but by reality itself.

Hopefully it would by first out of many for you. Zealots like you deserve this and then some, until you put your brains back in your head and start THINKING as opposed to bleating about some values you preach only for the sake of your own ego.

[Andrew NDB]

She-Hulk, Ms. Marvel, Quantumania, The Eternals, The Marvels... oh yeah, it's just "superhero fatigue." That's what it is.

[Galactus]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

No need for a reboot. Just recast anyone who's "done" and move on with things. Bring back Iron Man with a new actor, Steve Rogers with a new actor, T'Challa, etc.. Easy math.

I honestly don't think that would work. There are some performances that are way too intrinsic to a characters success that fans would never accept someone else playing that version of the character. Robert Downey Jr as Tony Stark is definitely and I think Chris Evans as Steve Rogers is another. I'd argue the same about Chadwick Boseman and T'challa but I think people would be more understanding given he passed away. Plus there is a genuine belief that given the lack of black actors in these kinds of roles it would be a welcome idea to give another black actor a chance at such a big franchise.

I also don't think it solves anything to rely on the same small group of characters all the time. Nostalgia is good in small doses but if the MCU is going to continue it needs fresh ideas and while you can certainly do that with existing characters I think half the fun of the MCU (at least as a comic fan) is seeing characters I wouldn't have ever imagined it making it to a screen. The Avengers themselves were Marvel's B List characters that they had to use because their proven characters were all licensed to other studios. Now they have got all those characters back to do their own takes on too.

Personally fewer movies per phase and a mix of stalwarts and new characters is what is needed. Something along the lines of:

Fantastic Four
X-Men
Spider-Man
Avengers

With one or two other movies about new characters and concepts like Guardians or Shang Chi was sprinkled in would be great.

She-Hulk, Ms. Marvel, Quantumania, The Eternals, The Marvels... oh yeah, it's just "superhero fatigue." That's what it is.

She-Hulk and Ms Marvel were both pretty successful Disney+ series. I'm not sure what was so woke about Quantumania? If anything it's failure would be proof that white male led movies aren't immune to flopping. If you want further proof you have to look at other non-MCU movies. How did Shazam 2 or Black Adam do?

Originally Posted by IMJ

Yeah okay clown.

See, I don't need you to clarify, clown. Because, clown, what I said was

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Dude, calm down. All I did was point out the article says that the meetings are largely about the Jonathan Majors situation and nothing to do with whatever trumped up situation you feel you can jump off and angrily rant about wokeness. Now you're angrily ranting about wokeness again just way more.

BTW Shang-Chi is getting a sequel and we know is going to feature in multiple other movies. It's been rumoured Eternals is too and after it was the most streamed movie on D+ a year after it's release it seems likely they follow through on that.

[Coola Yagami]

The whole idea is, if the current MCU was so successful, there wouldn't be a need for a crisis meeting. Obviously something is going down.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Galactus

BTW Shang-Chi is getting a sequel and we know is going to feature in multiple other movies. It's been rumoured Eternals is too and after it was the most streamed movie on D+ a year after it's release it seems likely they follow through on that.

Sounds like a stupid decision and a waste of money. Just bring on the X-Men already. How about they try something new and.... actually give the fans what they want?

[Galactus]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

The whole idea is, if the current MCU was so successful, there wouldn't be a need for a crisis meeting. Obviously something is going down.

The crisis meeting is primarily about the situation were the actor they've hitched the wagon on to be a major part of their their three most important movies is allegedly a huge abuser. They obviously don't want a similar thing to happen to their Avengers as what happened with Ezra Miller and the Flash.

I'm sure they are discussing other problems. The article states overworking their staff has meant that some of their movies and tv series have been rushed and that's hampered their quality and resulted in them not doing as well as they felt they would and in one case (Quantumania) actually flopping.

Clearly they are discussing problems but no one in any credible position is claiming they are in an absolute panic because their secret mission to shame straight white males out of existence by putting slightly more non straight white males in their products is sending their whole franchise - if not their entire industry crashing down. The stats don't bare that out.

[CyberCubed]

I mean the universe has been going on since 2008, nothing lasts forever. Obviously they knew sooner or later they would have to reboot or move on. Iron Man and Captain America are done, Black Widow and Black Panther are dead, the other actors (Thor and Hulk) are getting older, etc.

Others like Wanda are for (now) dead, Hawkeye is basically retired, Vision...I don't even remember what happened to him, and a lot of the new heroes aren't received as well. We're obviously not going to get an Ant-Man 4 after the third one bombed, etc. I don't know if Falcon as Captain America will even be received well but we'll see. Also forgot about Samuel L. Jackson and he's 74 now and I don't know how much longer he'll be sticking around either.

There's no point to bring in Fantastic Four and the X-men into a universe that seems like it's reaching its end, which is why it makes more sense to start a whole new universe with them there right in the beginning. As I said Spider-man can keep getting solo films until Tom Holland doesn't want to do it anymore.

[Barkworm]

Originally Posted by IMJ

Yeah okay clown.

See, I don't need you to clarify, clown. Because, clown, what I said was:

Where are all of the forum woke-basement-dwellers now? Why aren't they out saving Marvel with their philosophies and spending power?

The comment was clearly about clowns like you not out supporting your woke $#!( agenda with your own money. Say what you want, but the simple fact is that if it made money they wouldn't be "crisis mode". The end.

And these effects trickle down, and clowns like you can keep saying "words" but the more information that continues to come out the more there will be financial information pointing to the bottom dropping out and it will be clearly corelated to the more and more "woke" the product got. Clown.

And it will continue to be pointed out as it progresses, that the weird woke agenda was facilitated by corporate weirdos and abusive leaders which will further diminish "woke content" as it becomes evident to incels still defending woke $#!( that the entire movement was facilitated by the life-angry manipulator for the mobilization of the peasant-thinker-clown to eat it up.

So sorry for you. Clown. But keep grasping at straws - I'll be celebrating as I watch the whole machine crumble down as the bottom falls out as was sociologically inevtiable even only a few years back to anyone with a brain. Woke $#!( is "beanie babies" for the life-angry-loser and it's run pop culture into the ground. While clowns like you continue to spin words. Clown.

-Woke, race swapped Jonathon Majors backfired - ironically because of behavioral concerns.
-Woke projects Shang Chi and the Eternals were ultimately failed "experiments." Technodrome poster Galactus will say they were "successful". But no sign of Shang Chi or the Eternals on film or in cameos anywhere.
-The Marvels - woke "M SHE U" project looks like it's backfiring badly. Technodrome poster Galactus will say something about the upcoming box office just to hang on tightly to his bull$#(. Clown bull$#!(.
-Marvel has had VFX problems. Because they were in a rush to grab onto the peasant-thinker woke zeitgeist of the time. That's what businesses do - they overproduce when they have a perceived cash grab movement. Technodrome forum poster Galactus will ignore the correlation completely as he continues his clown-thought processes.
-The Blade movie looks like it was cancelled after all of the woke backlash - it seems the movie was going to sideline Blade for a - guess what? Woke gender-swapped character to pass the torch too.
-The entire phase was birthed out of MCU creators chasing the fundamental woke ideology that asserts putting basically anything other than a white male lead front and center is where it's at. The rest of the world has walked from ticket sales and merchandise sales in a direct correlation to this pattern, but Technodrome Forum poster Galactus will spin words so that he can hold onto his clown-world-reality.
-Now Disney is reportedly looking at bringing back the traditional Avengers? But why would they do this if woke $#!( was so "profitable" and not costing them dollars? They wouldn't do it - they would either march forward or they would right the ship maybe with different woke projects. But they are cancelling all of their woke $#!) or watching it fail financially. But Technodrome forum poster Galactus will spin this in some direction that ignores or denies that correlation. Like a clown who can't evaluate or understand the world around him properly.

Clown. Don't talk to me about comprehension, clown.

Sheesh man. I know I can have a perfectly calm and reasonable conversation with you. Was Galactus‘ post really that obnoxious to trigger such an aggressive response?

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Barkworm

Sheesh man. I know I can have a perfectly calm and reasonable conversation with you. Was Galactus‘ post really that obnoxious to trigger such an aggressive response?

I honestly don't fathom how he could have done less.

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by Galactus

She-Hulk and Ms Marvel were both pretty successful Disney+ series

In what universe was that? Nobody watched Ms. Marvel, that's a big reason why The Marvels is projected to underperform, it didn't even do well when they aired it on TV.

[Mayhem]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

In what universe was that? Nobody watched Ms. Marvel, that's a big reason why The Marvels is projected to underperform, it didn't even do well when they aired it on TV.

Inside the US, yeah it was half what Moon Knight, She-Hulk, WandaVision and Hawkeye did. Unsurprisingly it's done better outside the US afaik.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Mayhem

Inside the US, yeah it was half what Moon Knight, She-Hulk, WandaVision and Hawkeye did. Unsurprisingly it's done better outside the US afaik.

Any 'success' of these shows past maybe Wandavision and Loki are due to all these hate watchers watching em to complain, ironically giving them clicks anyway. IMO the MCU should have stayed a movie franchise so I really haven't seen ANY of the shows except SHIELD and some of Daredevil.

That's one reason why I'm glad my vids are a hobby rather than a job. I'd seriously hate to be forced to watch every episode of She Hulk just to get those clicks and views on my 'OMG IT'S SO BAD' thumbnails and such nonsense to pay the bills.

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

There's no point to bring in Fantastic Four and the X-men into a universe that seems like it's reaching its end, which is why it makes more sense to start a whole new universe with them there right in the beginning. As I said Spider-man can keep getting solo films until Tom Holland doesn't want to do it anymore.

They can just move on from early Avengers, treating like sort of past chapter, which is no longer relevant, save for a few references.

Originally Posted by Galactus

Clearly they are discussing problems but no one in any credible position is claiming they are in an absolute panic because their secret mission to shame straight white males out of existence by putting slightly more non straight white males in their products is sending their whole franchise - if not their entire industry crashing down. The stats don't bare that out.

It is easy to fight strawmen of your own making.
That is fate of all perpetually wrong people like you - after all, if you have no arguments, how you gonna prove your superiority to peasants?