[Found media] Next Mutation original/unedited episodes found

[ToTheNines]

I figured nobody really saw this post in a fairly inactive thread, so I’m making one just for this.

Shout out to The-Shredder for hooking me up with these:

Originally Posted by The-Shredder

These appear to be the original cuts on YouTube. They're spread across three channels for some reason, and the person who uploaded them got them from a former forum member. They're VHS quality, but they're still watchable. The Hero Turtles versions might be the next best thing. I believe in some European countries there are also DVD releases of the originals, but I'm not sure if they have an English language option.

https://www.youtube.com/@DragonLordKomodo/videos
https://www.youtube.com/@Bonesteal/videos
https://www.youtube.com/@VamMisHeart/videos

According to some people at Mirage, part of the reason it was cancelled was that Saban wanted to cut costs due to licensing and production expenses. There was a petition to continue the show, but the decision was final.

Kind of an annoying way to watch them, since they’re split into many parts per episode. If you go to each channel, dude says he “stole” these from Jarrah White lol.

I tried to email him, but his gmail is deactivated. Does anyone know how to get ahold of him or the guy from the YouTube account? There’s no way to comment and I can’t seem to message him either.

[sdp]

Are they really that different from the Netflix cuts? I don't remember noticing music changes when I finally watched the netflix cut which besides the intro. The netflix cut is also likely lost media now since Hasbro is not going to put it online to promote a toyline they don't make toys for.

This takes me way back to the mid 00s when you had to watch anime and shows in 3 part videos, you'd add them to a playlist, it wasn't that annoying. Movies would be like 11 parts. It'll be annoying to download these videos though, 78 downloads for the entire series..

[neatoman]

Uh, yeah. I guess it's cool that the original cuts of these episodes are preserved, in an archival and preservational sense I suppose. I'm just not sure there is such a thing as a "good" version of this show. I legitimately can't tell if anything was improved or worsened by the new edits.

With the FW, I can I least imagine someone being able to edit the coloring and layering mistakes, maybe even splicing in new frames of animation, given the right tools of course. Trying to fix the FW show in such a way would be lipstick on a pig of course, it's just that trying to do the same for Next Mutation would be like putting lipstick on the rotting carcass of a pig.

[sdp]

TNM is overhated, it's just a Saban AmeriToku type of show, it does have some silly episodes but it's not that bad.

As far as the netflix releases it's not that they were improved, it's just that the original versions were all basically from VHS recordings so the quality was bad, now you had real transfers. They didn't really clean them up or anything, but it still looked loads better. The intro was changed because of licensing issues. And on wikis you can find that the music was changed in episodes but in the small analysis I once made didn't really find the music changed, granted I only looked at one episode for reference. People also said they removed some of the slapstick sound effects which I think is false, they're all there from what I saw.

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by sdp

TNM is overhated, it's just a Saban AmeriToku type of show, it does have some silly episodes but it's not that bad.

I watched the for the first time as adult knowing it had a poor reputation and that the fans tend to elevate another bad show out nostalgia which might have soured them on TNM beforehand, and let me tell you, the Next Mutation sucks very hard. It's a practically incoherent mess, it's not even worth defending as "not that bad", not that bad compared to what? Plan 9 from Outer Space played five times in a row?

[Heyowakka]

neatoman Resisting the Urge to Trash Talk Fred Wolf Turtles Out of Nowhere Challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by Heyowakka

neatoman Resisting the Urge to Trash Talk Fred Wolf Turtles Out of Nowhere Challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)

It's like holding your breath, you just can't do it for very long and breathing itself is so easy you literally do it in your sleep.

[sdp]

I don't even think it's "not that bad". To me it's genuinely good. If you're into Ameritoku this is just more of that. Honestly if the show didn't have as many slapstick sound effects and didn't default to "giggle ray" personality for the bad guys which does happen a lot, then it'd be considered a classic.

[Jester]

Not sure if this is totally unedited, but an archive.org user, Strizhak2001, has the series with 4 audio channels. 2 are in Russian, but the other 2 are English. One is stereo with the original theme and one is mono with the DVD/Shout! redux theme. They also have English subs...but it is for the modified theme.
https://archive.org/details/dvdremux_the_next_mutation

They also have the music video:
https://archive.org/details/next-mut...al-music-video

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by sdp

TNM is overhated, it's just a Saban AmeriToku type of show, it does have some silly episodes but it's not that bad.

As far as the netflix releases it's not that they were improved, it's just that the original versions were all basically from VHS recordings so the quality was bad, now you had real transfers. They didn't really clean them up or anything, but it still looked loads better. The intro was changed because of licensing issues. And on wikis you can find that the music was changed in episodes but in the small analysis I once made didn't really find the music changed, granted I only looked at one episode for reference. People also said they removed some of the slapstick sound effects which I think is false, they're all there from what I saw.

I enjoy it in a B-movie way. I was only like 6 when it came out, I thought it was legitimately good at the time, and many of my friends liked it too.

But yeah it’s overhated. TMNT was already on its way out in 1997, I appreciate that they tried something unique.

Originally Posted by Heyowakka

neatoman Resisting the Urge to Trash Talk Fred Wolf Turtles Out of Nowhere Challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)

Hmm, if I do another round I’ll have to add “neatoman bashes FW show”.

Originally Posted by Jester

Not sure if this is totally unedited, but an archive.org user, Strizhak2001, has the series with 4 audio channels. 2 are in Russian, but the other 2 are English. One is stereo with the original theme and one is mono with the DVD/Shout! redux theme. They also have English subs...but it is for the modified theme.
https://archive.org/details/dvdremux_the_next_mutation8

They also have the music video:
https://archive.org/details/next-mut...al-music-video

That link didn’t work, but I was able to find that guy but it seems like they were all in Russian. I didn’t see any way to toggle to English, but maybe I’m dumb.

I did find this batch: https://archive.org/details/ninja-tu...ries-1997-1998

They also appears to be the unedited original, runtimes are all around 20 minutes. I’m pretty sure the DVD episodes with the crappy theme song are all more like 17 minutes.

[PizzaPower]

I love this series and really really wish we had gotten as season 2. I wouldn't mind if if IDW brought it back in comic format!

[ToTheNines]

Ok, upon further review and comparing runtimes, I think the Shout Factory DVD episodes are in fact the full episodes. The only difference is some (but not all) of the music is changed.

The weird thing is, they use the real theme song for the main menu, but use the stupid new one for the actual episodes. It gets interspersed throughout each episode any time there’s an audio track they’re not allowed to use. It’s pretty jarring, but I’m probably just being too autistic.

[sdp]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

The weird thing is, they use the real theme song for the main menu, but use the stupid new one for the actual episodes. It gets interspersed throughout each episode any time there’s an audio track they’re not allowed to use. It’s pretty jarring, but I’m probably just being too autistic.

TNM deserves your full autism. So it's various tracks that are replaced? So it's jarring when seeing the new version compared to the old?
That makes sense, though I don't remember noticing it. It seems odd they'd mix everything again with a different audio track only in certain points and not just replace everything but then again I don't know if that's just easier.

[ToTheNines]

Yeah, I guess there are rights issues with only certain tracks? Weird.

I might pay someone to make me a blu-ray set of one of these Archive.org sources, just so I can say I own the original version.

And as I’ve vowed in the past: if I win the lottery, I will fund and produce a 2-part series finale. (Unless sdp can make a good one with AI in 5 years lol)

[The-Shredder]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

Ok, upon further review and comparing runtimes, I think the Shout Factory DVD episodes are in fact the full episodes. The only difference is some (but not all) of the music is changed.

The weird thing is, they use the real theme song for the main menu, but use the stupid new one for the actual episodes. It gets interspersed throughout each episode any time there’s an audio track they’re not allowed to use. It’s pretty jarring, but I’m probably just being too autistic.

At least for the first episode, the most obvious changes are the removal of some shots in the opening New York City montage, including the Batman and Robin billboard and the skyline with the World Trade Center. The scene at the Foot lair where one of the Foot soldiers says "but the rat had a stick" and Shredder tosses him aside (arguably the best scene in the entire episode) is completely absent for some strange reason.

Originally Posted by Jester

Not sure if this is totally unedited, but an archive.org user, Strizhak2001, has the series with 4 audio channels. 2 are in Russian, but the other 2 are English. One is stereo with the original theme and one is mono with the DVD/Shout! redux theme. They also have English subs...but it is for the modified theme.
https://archive.org/details/dvdremux_the_next_mutation

There was a number 8 at the end of that link, so I removed it and it works. I downloaded the MKV of the first episode and changed the audio track to the English stereo one in my media player. It's pretty much an edit of the 2012 Shout! Factory version with the missing scenes and music coming from the older European DVDs, making it pretty close to the original in high quality. It has the the full Shredder scene and the music is correct, but the original New York City opening is still missing and the theme song sounds a bit muffled compared to the rest of the audio.

The Shout! Factory version is currently streaming for free on Tubi if anyone wants to watch it. https://tubitv.com/series/300015078/...-next-mutation

Also, I just realized that Shredder's throne is a silver lawn chair, lol.

[PizzaPower]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

Yeah, I guess there are rights issues with only certain tracks? Weird.

I might pay someone to make me a blu-ray set of one of these Archive.org sources, just so I can say I own the original version.

And as I’ve vowed in the past: if I win the lottery, I will fund and produce a 2-part series finale. (Unless sdp can make a good one with AI in 5 years lol)

*edit*I got it working, thank you for this. To think back in the day it was "taboo" and not allowed to share full episodes yet here we are sharing full episodes lol