Movie 1 not so dark? Movie 2 why the bark?

Valorxii · 02-09-2004, 05:59 AM

ive seen all this flack movie 2 gets and i got two see about half of movie 1 just yesterday.

now from what ive seen people dont like movie2 because it is silly. but so far ive seen them jumping around going on about pizza, dancing for meditation, splattering pizza pieces on splinters head, and raph get hit into a trashcan after walking around on the busy footpaths of NY. hehe

but all ive seen different from movie 2 so far is that the fighting isnt so dumbed down and with some more story to cover introducing all the characters.

i think they are both good movies from what i have seen yeah.

~~Jarrah White~~ · 02-09-2004, 06:09 AM

Well both films are pretty good in their own merits, as is the third film, despite being the worst of the three.

Halfshell · 02-09-2004, 06:16 AM

First movie actully had a decent plot line

**Karpo_007** · 02-09-2004, 07:25 AM

First movie does have a lot of comedy in it, but it's not goofy. Second one is, starting with the fights. And you have to see the the story is much more mature too, it had almost the original origin with the murder scenes. I've heard that parents had an uproar against the first movie, so New Line decided to made the second movie more kid friendly.

Valorxii · 02-09-2004, 07:59 AM

i wonder when you think it is goofy then karp?

liek when i saw raph fall into that trash can, or that pizza on splinters head with the loud squish. i thought they would count?

*raphael_is_cool* · 02-09-2004, 08:22 AM

Two words: Vanilla Ice

*That Matt Guy* · 02-09-2004, 09:36 AM

The fight scenes in the second film are pathetic when compared to the first one. Sausage links and yoyo's as weapons? Gimme a break.

**Kali** · 02-09-2004, 10:03 AM

Specific moments aside, the entire theme and mood of the first movie was considerably more serious than the second. The first movie was like the original comics: deep story, serious fights, death, and a sprinkle of humor. However, the humor never "destroys" any of the movie's seriousness.

The second movie is more like the old cartoon. There's goofiness in almost every scene. Fight scenes are more like dancing or games. Less "mature" humor.

Now, I'm not saying one is "better" than the others. But it should be obvious to anyone who's seen both that both movies are very different.

**Karpo_007** · 02-09-2004, 10:42 AM

Yep, what Kali said.. But depending on the fan, goofiness might not be a negative thing, many people here like the goofines of the old show for example.

*That Matt Guy* · 02-09-2004, 11:01 AM

I personally think that "cartoon goofyness" doesn't translate very well into live action. The Secret of the Ooze is a good example of this.

**Karpo_007** · 02-09-2004, 11:06 AM

I feel the same way. Of course, I'm not too fond of the cartoon's goofines anymore either.

raphael90 · 02-09-2004, 01:18 PM

Pretty much what everyone else said. The second movie gets all the crap because it is much more silly and flat out cheesy. The fights are ridiculous and unbelievable...It's only redeeming value for me is the humor (can't beat Turtle humor) and the memories it holds for me. Really the storyline isn't BAD to me personally, it just was done rather cheesily. I would still take the second movie over the third anyday.

*J Legault* · 02-09-2004, 02:02 PM

The second movie may of had less Shredder Battles and No Casey Jones but it didn't seem to bother me much when I first bought the moive on Video.

You know how stict Critics and Parents are bafck then when hardly anything should be too violent or not.

Today anything can have more or less violents in any action movie.

I still like the sequals of TMNT, no matter how violent or goofy it is. It's stilll TMNT.

*Coola Yagami* · 02-09-2004, 02:44 PM

The turtles still fought as goofy as hell in TMNT1. I mean.. fighting with cymbals.. the aquarium spit thing... all that, and the TMNT trying to come up with a slang word in a one-by-one-Donnie ends up with the lame one-fashion. The only real serious martial arts fighting was the fight against the Shredder or the short scene of the 4 tmnt training together in the woods. Oh and Raph fighting the Foot to save April.

Not that I don't like the movie (I love em both) but it was just as goofy too. The TMNT1/2 turtles act like the cartoon turtles living in the Mirage world. I think the reason part 1 seems darker was because all the lil kids at home watching the cartoons never saw Raph beaten half to death, Shredder looking actually threatening, and the concept of Splinter dying. I mean the scene where they meditated and saw Splinter and were crying of joy that he was alive-- that was touching. Part 2 was lacking some of that. The only 'drama' was Donnie feeling upset finding out that they were an accident.

"Do not confuse the roots of your origin... with your present worth my son'.

*ZariusTwo* · 02-09-2004, 05:55 PM

I loved both movies, ten times better than Turtles III, it's easy to look past some of the faults of "Secret of the Ooze", they had a good story behind it.

*Deathknight* · 02-09-2004, 10:02 PM

goofyness in combat is a good thing as long as they don't abuse it. In TMNT 2 it was abused which made the combat scenes not very good. In TMNT 1 they did just enough to make it good. Such as Mikey using the Cymbols(so sue me I can't spell) on the foot soldiers. I thought that was great.

Valorxii · 02-09-2004, 11:44 PM

koola gets me.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kali

Specific moments aside, the entire theme and mood of the first movie was considerably more serious than the second. The first movie was like the original comics: deep story, serious fights, death, and a sprinkle of humor. However, the humor never "destroys" any of the movie's seriousness.

The second movie is more like the old cartoon. There's goofiness in almost every scene. Fight scenes are more like dancing or games. Less "mature" humor.

Now, I'm not saying one is "better" than the others. But it should be obvious to anyone who's seen both that both movies are very different.

well very different is an overstatement to me. as is sprinkle of humour. its loaded with it. just from being curious can i see some of this more mature humour from movie 1?

i mean and movie 2 had shredder die, while movie 1 had one more death then that.

so i mean after that i see that movie 2 is a bit simpler is all.

*Coola Yagami* · 02-09-2004, 11:47 PM

Only mature humor I found was

'you're a claustrophobic'

'you want a fist in the mouth? Never even looked at another guy before.'

*Kid Icarus* · 02-10-2004, 12:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Valorxii

ive seen all this flack movie 2 gets and i got two see about half of movie 1 just yesterday.

now from what ive seen people dont like movie2 because it is silly. but so far ive seen them jumping around going on about pizza, dancing for meditation, splattering pizza pieces on splinters head, and raph get hit into a trashcan after walking around on the busy footpaths of NY. hehe

but all ive seen different from movie 2 so far is that the fighting isnt so dumbed down and with some more story to cover introducing all the characters.

i think they are both good movies from what i have seen yeah.

Well, the problem is that you've only seen HALF of TMNT1. That's like playing half a video game and trying to write a full review about it when it could change drasticly in the second part.

Movie one WAS darker and more serious. No one denies that it had its funny moments, because it did, they just wern't as often and focused on as in movie 2.

Simply put: Movie1 thought it was serious, but could laugh at its self. Movie 2 knew it wasn't serious and rolled around laughing at its self.

Valorxii · 02-10-2004, 12:21 AM

no problem im just arguing about the first half. so that at least half of is etc

02-09-2004, 05:59 AM	#1
Valorxii Foot Soldier Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 181	Movie 1 not so dark? Movie 2 why the bark? ive seen all this flack movie 2 gets and i got two see about half of movie 1 just yesterday. now from what ive seen people dont like movie2 because it is silly. but so far ive seen them jumping around going on about pizza, dancing for meditation, splattering pizza pieces on splinters head, and raph get hit into a trashcan after walking around on the busy footpaths of NY. hehe but all ive seen different from movie 2 so far is that the fighting isnt so dumbed down and with some more story to cover introducing all the characters. i think they are both good movies from what i have seen yeah.

02-09-2004, 06:16 AM	#3
Halfshell Stone Warrior Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Wouldn't U Like To Know Posts: 531	First movie actully had a decent plot line __________________ "Post quickly and fade away into the shadow"

02-09-2004, 01:18 PM	#12
raphael90 Stone Warrior Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: ...down in the sewer listening to Skinny Puppy... Posts: 618	.... Pretty much what everyone else said. The second movie gets all the crap because it is much more silly and flat out cheesy. The fights are ridiculous and unbelievable...It's only redeeming value for me is the humor (can't beat Turtle humor) and the memories it holds for me. Really the storyline isn't BAD to me personally, it just was done rather cheesily. I would still take the second movie over the third anyday. __________________ "Babies? These things haven't even been BORN yet!" -Raphael

02-09-2004, 02:02 PM	#13
J Legault Mad Scientist Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: West Coast Posts: 2,054	The second movie may of had less Shredder Battles and No Casey Jones but it didn't seem to bother me much when I first bought the moive on Video. You know how stict Critics and Parents are bafck then when hardly anything should be too violent or not. Today anything can have more or less violents in any action movie. I still like the sequals of TMNT, no matter how violent or goofy it is. It's stilll TMNT. __________________ I am a fan of TMNT and I'm still one today. I got into the habbit back in 1992 or 93' when I was little. I would like to thank my 2 year older cousin for getting me in the habbit. 2001 was when I revised my knowledge on TMNT. And today I'm a bigger fan than I was years ago. I have all 3 TMNT Movies, current Toon, and old school Toon on DVD.

02-09-2004, 05:55 PM	#15
ZariusTwo Overlord Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Britain, DINO THUNDER...POWER UP! Posts: 22,487	I loved both movies, ten times better than Turtles III, it's easy to look past some of the faults of "Secret of the Ooze", they had a good story behind it. __________________ Spider-Man: The Rescue Spider-Man: The Galloping Cat Spider-Man: Scarlet Mirror Doctor Who: Child of the Daleks

02-09-2004, 06:09 AM	#2
~~Jarrah White~~ Banned Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 2,394	Well both films are pretty good in their own merits, as is the third film, despite being the worst of the three.

02-09-2004, 07:25 AM	#4
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	First movie does have a lot of comedy in it, but it's not goofy. Second one is, starting with the fights. And you have to see the the story is much more mature too, it had almost the original origin with the murder scenes. I've heard that parents had an uproar against the first movie, so New Line decided to made the second movie more kid friendly.

02-09-2004, 07:59 AM	#5
Valorxii Foot Soldier Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 181	i wonder when you think it is goofy then karp? liek when i saw raph fall into that trash can, or that pizza on splinters head with the loud squish. i thought they would count?

02-09-2004, 08:22 AM	#6
raphael_is_cool Mad Scientist Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: England Posts: 2,151	Two words: Vanilla Ice

02-09-2004, 09:36 AM	#7
That Matt Guy Honey Bunches Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Lone Star State Posts: 5,840	The fight scenes in the second film are pathetic when compared to the first one. Sausage links and yoyo's as weapons? Gimme a break.

02-09-2004, 10:03 AM	#8
Kali Inactive Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: California! Posts: 11,101	Specific moments aside, the entire theme and mood of the first movie was considerably more serious than the second. The first movie was like the original comics: deep story, serious fights, death, and a sprinkle of humor. However, the humor never "destroys" any of the movie's seriousness. The second movie is more like the old cartoon. There's goofiness in almost every scene. Fight scenes are more like dancing or games. Less "mature" humor. Now, I'm not saying one is "better" than the others. But it should be obvious to anyone who's seen both that both movies are very different.

02-09-2004, 10:42 AM	#9
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	Yep, what Kali said.. But depending on the fan, goofiness might not be a negative thing, many people here like the goofines of the old show for example.

02-09-2004, 11:01 AM	#10
That Matt Guy Honey Bunches Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Lone Star State Posts: 5,840	I personally think that "cartoon goofyness" doesn't translate very well into live action. The Secret of the Ooze is a good example of this.

02-09-2004, 11:06 AM	#11
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	I feel the same way. Of course, I'm not too fond of the cartoon's goofines anymore either.

02-09-2004, 02:44 PM	#14
Coola Yagami Overlord Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 15,709	The turtles still fought as goofy as hell in TMNT1. I mean.. fighting with cymbals.. the aquarium spit thing... all that, and the TMNT trying to come up with a slang word in a one-by-one-Donnie ends up with the lame one-fashion. The only real serious martial arts fighting was the fight against the Shredder or the short scene of the 4 tmnt training together in the woods. Oh and Raph fighting the Foot to save April. Not that I don't like the movie (I love em both) but it was just as goofy too. The TMNT1/2 turtles act like the cartoon turtles living in the Mirage world. I think the reason part 1 seems darker was because all the lil kids at home watching the cartoons never saw Raph beaten half to death, Shredder looking actually threatening, and the concept of Splinter dying. I mean the scene where they meditated and saw Splinter and were crying of joy that he was alive-- that was touching. Part 2 was lacking some of that. The only 'drama' was Donnie feeling upset finding out that they were an accident. "Do not confuse the roots of your origin... with your present worth my son'.

02-09-2004, 10:02 PM	#16
Deathknight Mad Scientist Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: One of the 972 rooms of the technodrome Posts: 1,995	goofyness in combat is a good thing as long as they don't abuse it. In TMNT 2 it was abused which made the combat scenes not very good. In TMNT 1 they did just enough to make it good. Such as Mikey using the Cymbols(so sue me I can't spell) on the foot soldiers. I thought that was great. __________________ Shredder: "Ninja hall of fame? Ha! Where's MY statue?!" -My Brother, the Bad Guy

02-09-2004, 11:47 PM	#18
Coola Yagami Overlord Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 15,709	Only mature humor I found was 'you're a claustrophobic' 'you want a fist in the mouth? Never even looked at another guy before.'

02-10-2004, 12:21 AM	#20
Valorxii Foot Soldier Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 181	no problem im just arguing about the first half. so that at least half of is etc