What did original fans think?

Relay · 02-25-2004, 12:17 PM

I am 21 years old and have been a big fan of the Turtles since the original cartoon came on the air. I know there are many Turtle fans that have loved them since before that when the original Mirage series was released. I was wondering what did these fans of the original Mirage comic think of the Turtles cartoon when it came out back in the late 80s. There are some many discussions on the forum about how people don't like some things about the new show because they don't follow the comics, but the original show did not follow the comics hardly at all. The comic was dark and mature while the cartoon was kiddy and although had action in it, was more slapstick. I probably would have been disgusted to have been a fan of the comic Turtles and then get a cartoon that didn't live up to that all. I fell in love with the cartoon before I ever heard of the comic book, so I don't know. To those of you that have been fans since the beginning, what did you think about the original cartoon when it came out?

**Karpo_007** · 02-25-2004, 12:55 PM

From the letter's page of Mirage issues there are two kind of reactions, others accepted that it was children's version and others called E/L sellouts.

*Stone Ill* · 02-25-2004, 02:23 PM

People are stupid..

Eidiot88 · 02-25-2004, 02:53 PM

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From the letter's page of Mirage issues there are two kind of reactions, others accepted that it was children's version and others called E/L sellouts.

Thats is pretty much it, considering that this happends with everything I think people should have accepted it. I mean look at G.I. JOE, adult-type comic and kiddy tv show, Batman adult-type comic and kiddy tv show. Sh

t happends.

Lord Nightwalker · 02-25-2004, 03:50 PM

Initialy, I watched it because it was based on one of my favorite comic books, Then it progressively became goofier and goofier. That was enough for me. I understand that liberties will be taken, and often a specific target audience will be spoon fed. The new toon is much closer to the roots of the subject matter, and I like it quite alot. I never considered once that Kevin and or Pete were sell outs.

*MrPliggins* · 02-25-2004, 08:55 PM

I don't think they were sell-outs, but I do think this: The Turtles were their new creations, and when they were offered a toy and tv show deal, they were so excited with the fact that their creations were going to be toys and cartoons that they were willing to let some things change. Back then, a saturday morning cartoon obviously isn't going to be as dark as the original mirage comics.

I don't think they initially expected the "kiddiefication" or anything like that. Probably before they knew it, TMNT had become so popular that there was no way they could possibly monitor everything that was coming out.
Well, anyway I would say no, they were not sell-outs.

*Tetsu Deinonychus* · 02-25-2004, 09:02 PM

I was a fan of Mirage first, and I never though Eastman and Laird were sellouts.

Anyway, I liked the old-show (still do), but was a tad dissapointed by it.

Ninja Turtles Cartoon Fan · 02-25-2004, 09:25 PM

Just be careful that this topic doesn't turn into another "old cartoon bashing thread."

We have way too many problems with people not being able to keep their emotions - not to mention their opinions - in check when comparing and contrasting the comic books to the old cartoon.

Should the bashing begin, this thread will be locked up faster than you can say, "But I was framed!"

"We're shrinkin' faster than a pair of cheap underwear!" - Raphael, from "The Incredible Shrinking Turtles"

Relay · 02-25-2004, 09:53 PM

I did not start this thread to bash the original cartoon, and I hope people do not turn it into that. I was just thinking about how people get upset at the liberties they've taken with the new show, like Shredder being a Utrom, while the old show was even further from the original comic book. I got into the Turtles from watching the old show as a kid. I loved it then and I still do. I put my two cents in every once in a while concerning my opinions about how the new cartoon compares to the original comics. I just wanted to see what people thought way back when the original cartoon came out and similar discussions were taking place. No bashing was intended by this thread.

*Bry* · 02-25-2004, 10:07 PM

On the other side, though, there are the kiddies who were drawn to TMNT by the old cartoon and discovered and 'fell in love' with the Mirage series because of it.

Like, y'know, me. (And many, many others.)

Even though I vastly prefer the original TMNT, I don't think Eastman and Laird 'sold out' at all. If they had changed their stories to suit the mad merchandising, it could be argued that they had sold out... But they did quite the opposite - they stuck with their original vision and just let the cartoon co-exist in peace.

*Tetsu Deinonychus* · 02-25-2004, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Bry_Katz

And I don't think Eastman and Laird 'sold out' at all. If they had changed their stories to suit the mad merchandising, it could be argued that they had. But instead, they stuck with their original vision and just let the cartoon co-exist in peace.

Exactly

Anyway, I think the TMNT universes have alot more in common then they have apart.

*Coola Yagami* · 02-26-2004, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Bry_Katz

On the other side, though, there are the kiddies who were drawn to TMNT by the old cartoon and discovered and 'fell in love' with the Mirage series because of it.

Like, y'know, me. (And many, many others.)

Even though I vastly prefer the original TMNT, I don't think Eastman and Laird 'sold out' at all. If they had changed their stories to suit the mad merchandising, it could be argued that they had sold out... But they did quite the opposite - they stuck with their original vision and just let the cartoon co-exist in peace.

that is true. they coulda figured their comic would made more money and make it more like the cartoon, but instead they stuck to their original plan and kept goin.

**Jester** · 02-26-2004, 08:20 AM

hey look at it this way....as goofy as the old show was it beats NM....and it was popular enough to spawn 3 movies and even a third tv series that rocks this time around...so in my humble opinion....if it wasn't for the late 80's TMNT toon we wouldn't have 2003's new TMNT

*Tetsu Deinonychus* · 02-26-2004, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Jester

hey look at it this way....as goofy as the old show was it beats NM....and it was popular enough to spawn 3 movies and even a third tv series that rocks this time around...so in my humble opinion....if it wasn't for the late 80's TMNT toon we wouldn't have 2003's new TMNT

And, if it wasn't for the early 80s TMNT comic, we wouldn't have the late 80's TMNT toon. It's ALL connected.

*Deathknight* · 02-26-2004, 10:46 PM

My favorite was when my Dad told me about the 80s hulk live action series. In the comics it was very violent yet in the live action series, to defeat his opponents all the hulk did was roar at them.

In other words, comics to tv never seems to work out. With the G.I. Joe cartoon I always thought it was extremely odd how there was 10,000 shots going all over the place and nobody ever got shot. Yes it was because it was a kids show of course but they should at least make it so it sort of makes sense.

*PizzaPower* · 02-27-2004, 10:37 AM

I loved the old TMNT seius! It is one of my favorite TMNT univers! oopps, that I think is the comics!

*Cascadia* · 02-27-2004, 07:36 PM

the new show is pretty good. It gives me something to do on a saturday morning....be a kid again.

*Kid Icarus* · 02-27-2004, 07:45 PM

No, they didn't sell out. Sure, they let other people use their characters and stuff, but they didn't do a thing diffrent after it got big. If anything it let them do MORE of what they wanted, because they didn't have to worry about fans suddenly not liking them and going broke.

Then again, maybe that's kinda a double edged sword

.

MTN889 · 02-27-2004, 08:13 PM

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*tOkKa* · 02-28-2004, 04:45 AM

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02-25-2004, 12:17 PM	#1
Relay Hench Mutant Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: North Cacalacky Posts: 400	What did original fans think? I am 21 years old and have been a big fan of the Turtles since the original cartoon came on the air. I know there are many Turtle fans that have loved them since before that when the original Mirage series was released. I was wondering what did these fans of the original Mirage comic think of the Turtles cartoon when it came out back in the late 80s. There are some many discussions on the forum about how people don't like some things about the new show because they don't follow the comics, but the original show did not follow the comics hardly at all. The comic was dark and mature while the cartoon was kiddy and although had action in it, was more slapstick. I probably would have been disgusted to have been a fan of the comic Turtles and then get a cartoon that didn't live up to that all. I fell in love with the cartoon before I ever heard of the comic book, so I don't know. To those of you that have been fans since the beginning, what did you think about the original cartoon when it came out?

02-25-2004, 09:02 PM	#7
Tetsu Deinonychus The Iron Dinosaur Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Studio Snowlion HQ Posts: 3,021	I was a fan of Mirage first, and I never though Eastman and Laird were sellouts. Anyway, I liked the old-show (still do), but was a tad dissapointed by it. __________________ (Image hosting by Postimage.org) And here's a list of all my old wacky threads!

02-25-2004, 10:07 PM	#10
Bry So Long, Stinktown! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 3,463	On the other side, though, there are the kiddies who were drawn to TMNT by the old cartoon and discovered and 'fell in love' with the Mirage series because of it. Like, y'know, me. (And many, many others.) Even though I vastly prefer the original TMNT, I don't think Eastman and Laird 'sold out' at all. If they had changed their stories to suit the mad merchandising, it could be argued that they had sold out... But they did quite the opposite - they stuck with their original vision and just let the cartoon co-exist in peace. __________________ My Stuff: Webcomic \| Podcast \| DeviantArt \| YouTube \| Patreon

02-26-2004, 08:20 AM	#13
Jester Rat-faced Dude-guy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 26,295	hey look at it this way....as goofy as the old show was it beats NM....and it was popular enough to spawn 3 movies and even a third tv series that rocks this time around...so in my humble opinion....if it wasn't for the late 80's TMNT toon we wouldn't have 2003's new TMNT __________________ "Clearly, you're Ninja Turtling incorrectly." - Leo656

02-26-2004, 10:46 PM	#15
Deathknight Mad Scientist Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: One of the 972 rooms of the technodrome Posts: 1,995	My favorite was when my Dad told me about the 80s hulk live action series. In the comics it was very violent yet in the live action series, to defeat his opponents all the hulk did was roar at them. In other words, comics to tv never seems to work out. With the G.I. Joe cartoon I always thought it was extremely odd how there was 10,000 shots going all over the place and nobody ever got shot. Yes it was because it was a kids show of course but they should at least make it so it sort of makes sense. __________________ Shredder: "Ninja hall of fame? Ha! Where's MY statue?!" -My Brother, the Bad Guy

02-25-2004, 12:55 PM	#2
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	From the letter's page of Mirage issues there are two kind of reactions, others accepted that it was children's version and others called E/L sellouts.

02-25-2004, 02:23 PM	#3
Stone Ill Mad Scientist Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Burlington, Ontario Posts: 2,397	People are stupid..

02-25-2004, 03:50 PM	#5
Lord Nightwalker Stone Warrior Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 698	Initialy, I watched it because it was based on one of my favorite comic books, Then it progressively became goofier and goofier. That was enough for me. I understand that liberties will be taken, and often a specific target audience will be spoon fed. The new toon is much closer to the roots of the subject matter, and I like it quite alot. I never considered once that Kevin and or Pete were sell outs.

02-25-2004, 08:55 PM	#6
MrPliggins Foot Elite Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 3,050	I don't think they were sell-outs, but I do think this: The Turtles were their new creations, and when they were offered a toy and tv show deal, they were so excited with the fact that their creations were going to be toys and cartoons that they were willing to let some things change. Back then, a saturday morning cartoon obviously isn't going to be as dark as the original mirage comics. I don't think they initially expected the "kiddiefication" or anything like that. Probably before they knew it, TMNT had become so popular that there was no way they could possibly monitor everything that was coming out. Well, anyway I would say no, they were not sell-outs.

02-25-2004, 09:25 PM	#8
Ninja Turtles Cartoon Fan Stone Warrior Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: USA Posts: 835	Just be careful that this topic doesn't turn into another "old cartoon bashing thread." We have way too many problems with people not being able to keep their emotions - not to mention their opinions - in check when comparing and contrasting the comic books to the old cartoon. Should the bashing begin, this thread will be locked up faster than you can say, "But I was framed!" "We're shrinkin' faster than a pair of cheap underwear!" - Raphael, from "The Incredible Shrinking Turtles"

02-25-2004, 09:53 PM	#9
Relay Hench Mutant Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: North Cacalacky Posts: 400	I did not start this thread to bash the original cartoon, and I hope people do not turn it into that. I was just thinking about how people get upset at the liberties they've taken with the new show, like Shredder being a Utrom, while the old show was even further from the original comic book. I got into the Turtles from watching the old show as a kid. I loved it then and I still do. I put my two cents in every once in a while concerning my opinions about how the new cartoon compares to the original comics. I just wanted to see what people thought way back when the original cartoon came out and similar discussions were taking place. No bashing was intended by this thread.

02-27-2004, 10:37 AM	#16
PizzaPower Foot Elite Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Pizza Parlor Posts: 3,200	I loved the old TMNT seius! It is one of my favorite TMNT univers! oopps, that I think is the comics! __________________ https://www.twitch.tv/turtlepizzapower

02-27-2004, 07:36 PM	#17
Cascadia Oregonian in heart & soul Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,731	the new show is pretty good. It gives me something to do on a saturday morning....be a kid again. __________________ Formally known as Scientific freak

02-27-2004, 07:45 PM	#18
Kid Icarus Foot Elite Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Angel Land Posts: 4,150	No, they didn't sell out. Sure, they let other people use their characters and stuff, but they didn't do a thing diffrent after it got big. If anything it let them do MORE of what they wanted, because they didn't have to worry about fans suddenly not liking them and going broke. Then again, maybe that's kinda a double edged sword .

02-27-2004, 08:13 PM	#19
MTN889 Stone Warrior Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: I would tell you, but i fear an attack of AOL Trial CDs. Posts: 665	Dude relay that sword is awesome

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