Was the Super-Shredder Oroku Saki???

**Jester** · 03-17-2004, 06:43 AM

Hey, just recently i heard the theory that Super-Shredder was not Oroku Saki. What are your thoughts. I think the movie might give some clues that it may not be...."How much longer??!!" "I've told u i don't know it could take time...days!!" I think this might, unless Super-Shredder is an exception proove that saki isn't Super-shredder. He was mutated within seconds. And in NT:NM he's back to normal. Some may argue that these 2 series aren't related but the lair is the same and shredder says he'll slice of splinter's other ear...they're at least related. So who was supper shredder?? I have 3 ideas....go with me on this... 1. any random foot 2. Freddy the kid that trailed the 'Paid to be suspisious" but not suspisious of him april or 3. the foot trainer ("we work in consealment!")
What do u think of my hypothises....if this is already a line of descussion...then fil me in i just wanna know what ya'll think.

*Coola Yagami* · 03-17-2004, 06:56 AM

He's Kevin Nash.

Maybe the ooze works differently on humans, after all the ooze from the movie/comics makes animals have more of a humanized shape, but what if the subject was a human to begin with??? Plus, it looks like he drank it, maybe that's also different.

**Jester** · 03-17-2004, 07:41 AM

true....maybe ingestion as as means of mutation makes the reaction quicker than meer skin contact....never know....and maybe it worked it's course...and he de-mutated....but i doubt that. I still think that the Super-Shredder is not saki but one of his lackies

*Dane E5R* · 03-17-2004, 08:06 AM

The ooze in the movies makes things bigger, as exhibited by the dandelions, and if they have a brain, it generally makes them more intelligent. While Saki didn't exactly become smarter, he was certainly bigger. This is an interesting idea, though. It'd be sweet if Super Shredder was one huge Shredder clone like in Return to New York.

**Kali** · 03-17-2004, 10:32 AM

I think this was originally my theory. It makes sense to me. Totally excluding TNM, lets just look at TMNT 2.

We know that the ooze mutated the Turtles and Splinter, so that overnight they had doubled in size. Tokka and Rahzar took long enough to mutate that Shredder got impatient, implying at least several hours.

And Shredder becomes Super Shredder in what, two minutes? Something's off, even if we assume Shredder hadn't even fully mutated. There's also the question of his armor, since there's no proof before hand that the ooze effects inorganic materials.

All "movie logic" aside, I think Shredder mutated one of his own men to pose as himself, so that in case the Turtles won, he could escape freely, and plot while the Turtles believed he was dead. I think that's why he made a big deal about having another vial, so that when he mutated, they wouldn't be surprised.

**Jester** · 03-17-2004, 10:50 AM

sounds good to me...so shredder could still turn up in the move universe....but who do u think it is?? I know it's not tatsu...he fought the TMNT in the end....but who do u think it could be??

**Kali** · 03-17-2004, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Jester

sounds good to me...so shredder could still turn up in the move universe....but who do u think it is?? I know it's not tatsu...he fought the TMNT in the end....but who do u think it could be??

Just a random Foot goon. The only guy we have a name for is Freddy, and I hope it wasn't him, 'cause he was cute.

No, I just think it was a random soldier. After all, in Shredder's mind, they're all expendable.

*Voltron* · 03-17-2004, 11:10 AM

Everyone knows it was Vanilla Ice.

*Skeletoncrew* · 03-17-2004, 01:53 PM

Huh. I'd never thought about the possibility. It would make sense for him to send in someone else. Gotta cover his own ass. But, unless there's a sequel that says otherwise (and I don't consider NM a sequel), I assume it was Shredder himself.

BTW, cute avatar Voltron!

~~Jarrah White~~ · 03-17-2004, 01:59 PM

Perhaps Oruko Saki found one of those anti-mutagen cudes and ate one, thus rendering him back to his normal state.

*Dane E5R* · 03-17-2004, 02:16 PM

That is so original cartoon.. We're talkin' movies, yo.

~~Jarrah White~~ · 03-17-2004, 02:18 PM

It's the only explaination I can think of, either that or it wore off.

raphael90 · 03-17-2004, 02:51 PM

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Posted by Voltron:
Everyone knows it was Vanilla Ice.

Good one!!!

Back to the topic at hand, the theories presented on Super Shredder are interesting. For some reason part of me doesn't think the writers were going for something as in-depth unless they planned on bringing Shredder back into NM or an upcoming mutation. If it wasn't intended, they sure did overlook the mutation time thing and that's tacky but not surprising seeing some movies always lack good logic. I never even thought about all these details of the mutation until now....

On the other hand, its possible someone else could have been Super Shredder...I wonder if perhaps they weren't planning at the start of Ooze to set the stage for a totally different movie than the third. What with the Utrom scene cut, its possible they also had a role for the Shredder to play in the third then scrapped that idea??? I dunno, I'm not totally knowledgeable on TMNT trivia.

Ahhh...such unsolved mysteries and brain teasers of TMNT...interesting thread.

Gremlin · 03-17-2004, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Voltron

Everyone knows it was Vanilla Ice.

That guy is pure evil

redsai4lex · 03-17-2004, 04:36 PM

saki got oozed!

**Jo Dawn** · 03-17-2004, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Kali

All "movie logic" aside, I think Shredder mutated one of his own men to pose as himself, so that in case the Turtles won, he could escape freely, and plot while the Turtles believed he was dead. I think that's why he made a big deal about having another vial, so that when he mutated, they wouldn't be surprised.

Wow, y'know, I've never thought about it that way before. That's a very interesting idea. That makes alot of sense.

**Jester** · 03-18-2004, 12:33 PM

well...there was a line where in relation to the mutagen it's said. Perry: and as we know, Leonardo, one or two rather large mishaps have occured! Leo: Yeah Tokka Rahzar and the shredder.... Could that point to an intended early confrentation with supershredder or just me reading way to much into the dialogue

*Coola Yagami* · 03-18-2004, 02:04 PM

I think he meant cause Shredder now had the ooze in his possession and was a bigger threat because of it.

**Jester** · 03-18-2004, 04:11 PM

i thought i was reading more into that....thanks

jestergoblin · 03-19-2004, 09:34 AM

wow... I never thought of it that way...

Also, I believe it is safe to assume that ooze doesn't effect inorganic material. How would they be able to transport it then?

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03-17-2004, 06:43 AM	#1
Jester Rat-faced Dude-guy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 26,293	Was the Super-Shredder Oroku Saki??? Hey, just recently i heard the theory that Super-Shredder was not Oroku Saki. What are your thoughts. I think the movie might give some clues that it may not be...."How much longer??!!" "I've told u i don't know it could take time...days!!" I think this might, unless Super-Shredder is an exception proove that saki isn't Super-shredder. He was mutated within seconds. And in NT:NM he's back to normal. Some may argue that these 2 series aren't related but the lair is the same and shredder says he'll slice of splinter's other ear...they're at least related. So who was supper shredder?? I have 3 ideas....go with me on this... 1. any random foot 2. Freddy the kid that trailed the 'Paid to be suspisious" but not suspisious of him april or 3. the foot trainer ("we work in consealment!") What do u think of my hypothises....if this is already a line of descussion...then fil me in i just wanna know what ya'll think. __________________ "Clearly, you're Ninja Turtling incorrectly." - Leo656

03-17-2004, 06:56 AM	#2
Coola Yagami Overlord Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 15,655	heh He's Kevin Nash. Maybe the ooze works differently on humans, after all the ooze from the movie/comics makes animals have more of a humanized shape, but what if the subject was a human to begin with??? Plus, it looks like he drank it, maybe that's also different.

03-17-2004, 07:41 AM	#3
Jester Rat-faced Dude-guy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 26,293	true....maybe ingestion as as means of mutation makes the reaction quicker than meer skin contact....never know....and maybe it worked it's course...and he de-mutated....but i doubt that. I still think that the Super-Shredder is not saki but one of his lackies __________________ "Clearly, you're Ninja Turtling incorrectly." - Leo656

03-17-2004, 08:06 AM	#4
Dane E5R Mad Scientist Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Topeka, Kansas Posts: 1,602	The ooze in the movies makes things bigger, as exhibited by the dandelions, and if they have a brain, it generally makes them more intelligent. While Saki didn't exactly become smarter, he was certainly bigger. This is an interesting idea, though. It'd be sweet if Super Shredder was one huge Shredder clone like in Return to New York. __________________ http://www.luckyusshow.com

03-17-2004, 10:32 AM	#5
Kali Inactive Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: California! Posts: 11,101	I think this was originally my theory. It makes sense to me. Totally excluding TNM, lets just look at TMNT 2. We know that the ooze mutated the Turtles and Splinter, so that overnight they had doubled in size. Tokka and Rahzar took long enough to mutate that Shredder got impatient, implying at least several hours. And Shredder becomes Super Shredder in what, two minutes? Something's off, even if we assume Shredder hadn't even fully mutated. There's also the question of his armor, since there's no proof before hand that the ooze effects inorganic materials. All "movie logic" aside, I think Shredder mutated one of his own men to pose as himself, so that in case the Turtles won, he could escape freely, and plot while the Turtles believed he was dead. I think that's why he made a big deal about having another vial, so that when he mutated, they wouldn't be surprised.

03-17-2004, 10:50 AM	#6
Jester Rat-faced Dude-guy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 26,293	sounds good to me...so shredder could still turn up in the move universe....but who do u think it is?? I know it's not tatsu...he fought the TMNT in the end....but who do u think it could be?? __________________ "Clearly, you're Ninja Turtling incorrectly." - Leo656

03-17-2004, 11:10 AM	#8
Voltron Handsomest Boy in School Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: The Realm of SJW Posts: 4,642	Everyone knows it was Vanilla Ice. __________________ I AM FOR ACTUAL! . . . and the White Savior. . . and the Right Hand of God. . .

03-17-2004, 01:53 PM	#9
Skeletoncrew Foot Elite Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Bearing in on your spicy brains Posts: 3,275	Huh. I'd never thought about the possibility. It would make sense for him to send in someone else. Gotta cover his own ass. But, unless there's a sequel that says otherwise (and I don't consider NM a sequel), I assume it was Shredder himself. BTW, cute avatar Voltron! __________________ Adult TMNT fan art and fiction contest Now accepting entries!

03-17-2004, 01:59 PM	#10
~~Jarrah White~~ Banned Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 2,394	Perhaps Oruko Saki found one of those anti-mutagen cudes and ate one, thus rendering him back to his normal state.

03-17-2004, 02:16 PM	#11
Dane E5R Mad Scientist Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Topeka, Kansas Posts: 1,602	That is so original cartoon.. We're talkin' movies, yo. __________________ http://www.luckyusshow.com

03-17-2004, 02:18 PM	#12
~~Jarrah White~~ Banned Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 2,394	It's the only explaination I can think of, either that or it wore off.

03-17-2004, 04:36 PM	#15
redsai4lex Stone Warrior Join Date: May 2003 Location: by the TMNT's side Posts: 546	saki got oozed! __________________

03-18-2004, 12:33 PM	#17
Jester Rat-faced Dude-guy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 26,293	well...there was a line where in relation to the mutagen it's said. Perry: and as we know, Leonardo, one or two rather large mishaps have occured! Leo: Yeah Tokka Rahzar and the shredder.... Could that point to an intended early confrentation with supershredder or just me reading way to much into the dialogue __________________ "Clearly, you're Ninja Turtling incorrectly." - Leo656

03-18-2004, 02:04 PM	#18
Coola Yagami Overlord Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 15,655	I think he meant cause Shredder now had the ooze in his possession and was a bigger threat because of it.

03-18-2004, 04:11 PM	#19
Jester Rat-faced Dude-guy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 26,293	i thought i was reading more into that....thanks __________________ "Clearly, you're Ninja Turtling incorrectly." - Leo656

03-19-2004, 09:34 AM	#20
jestergoblin Mad Scientist Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,458	wow... I never thought of it that way... Also, I believe it is safe to assume that ooze doesn't effect inorganic material. How would they be able to transport it then?