The Sony Thread

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lmfao. wutever works.

i bust a gut whenever i go on amazong and see how the 20gigs are selling for way more than the 60gigs now.

[LogicDonny]

that's teh awesome thing about the psp and the ps3 is how you can buy your own memory drive and just plug it in. For my psp I got a sandisk 4gig memory stick.. put a whole tmnt season on psp rocks.

i love how you can put any hard drive on the ps3 unlike the 360 lol.

overprice for a 20 gigs.

[LogicDonny]

Anyways, Psp video 9 2 came out in the end of March so I finally took the time to download the new PSP video 9 program. Much better, it can finally allow you to convert your videos to 720x480 the maximum resoultion but expect a huge file size. Be warn, get a 1gig or higher before accomplishing this feat. I mean if you wanna convert a dvd, this is wise.

Also, the developer who made PSP video 9 has several other converters for the 360, wii and ps3 as well. The wii doesn't deserve one becuase it's crap when it comes to video. It has the worst converter due to huge sizes.

How nintendo designed the movie format is nuts, they should just release a new firmware that allows you to play any movie format. The 360 can do that almost.

[Ra]

I've bought myself "Jak and Daxter" a little while ago, which I'm enjoying quite a bit (the camera makes me feel sick if I play for too long, however). I'm thinking of buying the two sequels that follow it. My question is this, however - does the camera improve in these sequels? I know for sure I'm going to buy these games, but I would like to know before I buy them if they have the same camera which makes me sick while playing the original game.

[LogicDonny]

I've bought myself "Jak and Daxter" a little while ago, which I'm enjoying quite a bit (the camera makes me feel sick if I play for too long, however). I'm thinking of buying the two sequels that follow it. My question is this, however - does the camera improve in these sequels? I know for sure I'm going to buy these games, but I would like to know before I buy them if they have the same camera which makes me sick while playing the original game.

the trilogy is worth playing through. I enjoyed Daxter on the psp and it's quite good. Get them because they are really cheap.


The camera I think has improved. Been a while since I played the series.

[LogicDonny]

must be exciting for the psp to win for once. I can sit back and enjoy it now for once.

http://www.pspfanboy.com/2007/05/10/star-ocean-1-and-2-destined-for-psp-rerelease/

with this we now have the following upcoming games

god of war
final fantasy 1 remake
final fantasy 2 remake
star ocean 1+2 remake
kingdom hearts (possible)
castlevania Dracula Chronicles X
Final fantasy 7 Crisis Core
Dissidia: Final Fantasy
monster hunter freedom 2
devil may cry

for once the psp fans like me will actually get some decent support for once.. Not bashing the ds at all but the ds has had some great games but the psp needs some loving here and there.

Oh btw, to the one that wanted Winx Club on psp, it got a horrible review but it is your choice if you wanna buy it.

[bullet]

man for a month or so of my life...MHF was like heroin.

im looking forward to DMC and GOW :D...though from wut i've seen, castelvania isn't looking too promising.

[LogicDonny]

man for a month or so of my life...MHF was like heroin.

im looking forward to DMC and GOW :D...though from wut i've seen, castelvania isn't looking too promising.

okie well if you don't know what you saw was the 2.5d of rondo of blood. the original will be there also and symphony of the night too.

[Cure]

PS3's fighting cancer? (http://videogames.yahoo.com/ongoingfeature?eid=514753&page=0)

[愛]

If anything, I thought PS3 would cause cancer. Interesting.

[ThirdMarioBro]

I lol'd. Guess it's good for something.

[Spitfire]

PS3's fighting cancer? (http://videogames.yahoo.com/ongoingfeature?eid=514753&page=0)

PS3 fans is more like it. People are really dense.

[Ra]

That made me laugh out loud...until I realized they were serious about it. Wow...

[Ra]

http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/55346754/

Great, we are all doomed to the hands of Sony... :lol:

[ThirdMarioBro]

The Empire Strikes Back - Sony's Gamerday

(I stole this post from another forum)

In short, Sony just put on a pimp ring and started slapping, because their lineup looks killer, and guess what--it's almost all first and second party stuff.

Post One: More to Follow
This year on PlayStation 3:

Uncharted: Drake's Fortune (Also known as "Naughty Dog Runs Next-Gen"): In what was near-unquestionably the game of the show, Naughty Dog's Uncharted is what next-gen is all about. These shots are from the in-game engine. The HUD disappears when you don't need it. Absolutely gorgeous and apparently a blast to play.

http://ps3.advancedmn.com/images/media/uncharted_003.jpg
http://ps3.advancedmn.com/images/media/uncharted_002.jpg

LittleBigPlanet: The game that caught everyone by surprise a few months ago alongside Home at GDC 2007. It was shown and playable at the event, and is looking quite good. Some new information regarding customization has come out.
http://ps3.advancedmn.com/images/media/littlebigplanet_013.jpg
http://ps3.advancedmn.com/images/media/littlebigplanet_020.jpg
http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/789/789116/littlebigplanet-20070516081315711.jpg

Heavenly Sword: Ninja Theory's much-anticipated game was at the show. It looks and plays excellently. Definitely not "God of War with a Woman", despite a few similarities.
http://ps3.advancedmn.com/images/media/heavenlysword_021.jpg
http://ps3.advancedmn.com/images/media/heavenlysword_024.jpg
http://ps3.advancedmn.com/images/media/heavenlysword_023.jpg

The Eye of Judgment: The game is actually looking pretty fun. I'm hoping that the other high-profile releases don't totally drown this game out.
http://ps3.advancedmn.com/images/media/eyeofjudgement_011.jpg
http://ps3.advancedmn.com/images/media/eyeofjudgement_013.jpg

[ThirdMarioBro]

GRAW2: GRAW2 has unfortunately been delayed on PS3, back to August, most likely. However, the game was very much playable, and by all accounts, this has turned out to be a good port on Ubi Soft's part. The framerate is apparently very steady.

http://www.enregistrersous.com/images/132863663520070517103241.jpg
http://www.enregistrersous.com/images/15794229320070517103311.jpg

Rainbow Six: Vegas R6:Vegas was at the show. It's still on schedule, evidently, but it needs some tightening up in the framerate area. Basically, the typical Ubi Soft port job. It's a shame, since GRAW2 is shaping up so well.

http://www.enregistrersous.com/images/122330160120070517103311.jpg

SOCOM: Confrontation: This may be the big surprise of the show. The game has only been in development for five months total. Basically, it's gone back to the franchise's roots in SOCOM and SOCOM 2, so there's no vehicles. The game is both a PSN and Blu-ray title on the console. The first map shown was Crossroads from SOCOM 2, which is one of the most popular ones ever. It's also fueling speculation that this is a "Greatest Hits" version of SOCOM, featuring the most popular maps, redone for PlayStation 3 and up to 32 players on all of them. Oh yeah, Zipper Interactive isn't doing the game, either. (All shots are in-game):

http://ps3.advancedmn.com/images/media/socomconfrontation_001.jpg
http://ps3.advancedmn.com/images/media/socomconfrontation_002.jpg
http://ps3.advancedmn.com/images/media/socomconfrontation_003.jpg
http://ps3.advancedmn.com/images/media/socomconfrontation_005.jpg

I would strongly suggest viewing this trailer in high-definition (http://ps3.advancedmn.com/article.php?artid=4575).

How you like them apples?

[ThirdMarioBro]

Folklore: My admiration of this title is both well-known and now justified. Directed by the Shin Megami Tensei creator, Folklore is a game that's looking fantastic. You capture the souls of monsters that you fight by shaking them to death and drawing them in with the Sixaxis. You know it's awesome.

http://ps3.advancedmn.com/images/media/folklore_005.jpg
http://ps3.advancedmn.com/images/media/folklore_009.jpg

Warhawk: You all know the drill by now. Warhawk is an online-only multiplayer game developed by Incognito. There's an open beta on May 24, and it was revealed that the game will be sold on the PSN as well as on Blu-ray. The Blu-ray version of the game is shipping with a Bluetooth headset. Not a bad little extra.

http://ps3.advancedmn.com/images/media/warhawk_018.jpg
http://ps3.advancedmn.com/images/media/warhawk_023.jpg
http://ps3.advancedmn.com/images/media/warhawk_022.jpg

Pain: This is a highly unique PSN title. Using ragdoll physics, you're given a character and a giant slingshot inside various locales. The object of the game is to inflict as much pain and suffering on the poor fellow as possible. You know it's awesome as hell. (Offscreen pictures, not sure who to credit):

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/224/501448615_7f2fcefda1_o.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/201/501448503_1582e3f591_o.jpg
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Lair: Lair was actually playable at the show, and the early word out is that it's fantastic. The gameplay uses the Sixaxis to tilt and control your dragon while the face buttons control your character on top of the dragon. We don't have screenshots just yet, but you can certainly enjoy this new trailer (http://ps3.advancedmn.com/article.php?artid=4557), with actual, gorgeous gameplay shots in it.

Ratchet & Clank Future: Tools of Destruction: Ratchet and Clank was also playable on the floor, and it's actually looking incredible as well. The game is slated for release this fall.

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/789/789104/ratchet-clank-future-tools-of-destruction-20070516071915284.jpg

I tip my hat to Sony. They actually got me excited.

[愛]

Thanks for posting the biggest pictures ever. I think my Firefox killed itself.

Good pictures, though. Kudos to Sony for trying to do something.

[Spitfire]

Man all they focus on is graphics. How about something new. I like Pain looks like a few flash games I've played. "Toss the guy see how far he gets!" Can't wait to pay 60 bucks for that.

The other games just look like the same crap I've picked up a game controller. FPS, RPG, third person shooter, third person fighting. Yay...

Gaming is really dry now. All they do is make fancy graphics and there you go.

[bullet]

whether or not they're only focusing on fanc....aw eff it. *stunned*

can't wait :D

[愛]

Man all they focus on is graphics. How about something new. I like Pain looks like a few flash games I've played. "Toss the guy see how far he gets!" Can't wait to pay 60 bucks for that.

The other games just look like the same crap I've picked up a game controller. FPS, RPG, third person shooter, third person fighting. Yay...

Gaming is really dry now. All they do is make fancy graphics and there you go.

That may be true, but when Wii came along, it was fun for a while, but then the gimmicks wore off. There's not much you really can do in terms of reinventing gaming. Just have to update the graphics and make use of a working formula.

[Peanut]

That line-up is piss poor. Little Big Planet is the only thing that genuinely excites me, and I have some interest in Folklore and R&C. The rest is...eh. This line-up certainly won't help me to justify my PS3 purchase, let's just say that.

Man all they focus on is graphics. How about something new. I like Pain looks like a few flash games I've played. "Toss the guy see how far he gets!" Can't wait to pay 60 bucks for that.

The other games just look like the same crap I've picked up a game controller. FPS, RPG, third person shooter, third person fighting. Yay...

Gaming is really dry now. All they do is make fancy graphics and there you go.

Where do I start?

Firstly, if you knew what you were talking about, you'd realize that Pain is just another sh*tty PSN title. Meaning you'd be paying $10 max for the thing.

Second, for someone who doesn't seem to play anything but Crapcom games, you're really really f*cking opinionated on the state of the industry. Have you ever thought maybe it's just the games you play that are dry?

I bet you'd never give a game like Viva Pinata a chance, would you? How about some of the great stuff that's come out on the PS2 in the last year? Like Okami, or even more recently, Odin Sphere? Have you played Super Paper Mario for the Wii? How about any number of terrific DS games, like Hotel Dusk or Elite Beat Agents? Dead Rising? Did you forget about how much you enjoyed that? Was that game "the same crap" that you usually play?

You have a habit of making over-generalized, and quite frankly, retarded, blanket statements about everything. And while I may not have the knowledge to shoot you down when it comes to movies or music, I do have the ability here. Until you actually know what the f*ck you're talking about, don't go spewing your sh*t, because while the industry has been doing the "pump out a new sequel every year" thing for the past 10 years, it's not without it's innovative games. And even all those crappy shooters you've played have things that make them worthwhile. Maybe not to an elitist "anti-popular" ass like you, but to those of us who know what we're talking about, we've never been happier.

[Spitfire]

That may be true, but when Wii came along, it was fun for a while, but then the gimmicks wore off. There's not much you really can do in terms of reinventing gaming. Just have to update the graphics and make use of a working formula.
That's what happened to me with the DS.


Second, for someone who doesn't seem to play anything but Crapcom games, you're really really f*cking opinionated on the state of the industry. Have you ever thought maybe it's just the games you play that are dry?
Just because I liked the first Devil May Cry game and the Resident Evil series hardly means all I play are "crapcom" games. I have Lost Planet and Dead Rising for 360. The rest of my games are mostly so called "giant" titles like Gears Of War and Crackdown.

I bet you'd never give a game like Viva Pinata a chance
Yeah I played it, it's okay but it didn't hold my interest over the period of time I had it from the friend I borrowed it from.
Like Okami
I own it

Have you played Super Paper Mario for the Wii?
Yeah one of my friends has a Wii, I've played a few Wii games. The new Smash Brothers peaks my interest.

Elite Beat Agents?
I don't like music games but I have given it a try at Target. It was interesting just not my thing.

Dead Rising? Did you forget about how much you enjoyed that? Was that game "the same crap" that you usually play?
You got me there I did totally forget about how much I enjoyed that game.

You have a habit of making over-generalized, and quite frankly, retarded, blanket statements about everything. And while I may not have the knowledge to shoot you down when it comes to movies or music, I do have the ability here. Until you actually know what the f*ck you're talking about, don't go spewing your sh*t, because while the industry has been doing the "pump out a new sequel every year" thing for the past 10 years, it's not without it's innovative games. And even all those crappy shooters you've played have things that make them worthwhile. Maybe not to an elitist "anti-popular" ass like you, but to those of us who know what we're talking about, we've never been happier.
Hey don't let anything I say drown your happiness. I'm just saying what I feel. What I feel should have no affect on you or anyone else. My opinions are mine. Yeah I'm very picky and very anal about what I watch, listen, and play but I'm hardly anti-popular. I think I've proven that many times.

If I was so into hating on popular stuff why would I own Gears Of War? Why would I listen to Metallica? Why would I like Spider-man 2?

I admit openly that I am very opinionated but don't stereotype me as a basher of popular stuff because I think it'll make me look cool.

If I did it to be cool obviously I would have changed my opinions by now because obviously none of you think it's cool. Nor should you.

[Barkworm]

Anyone saw the video for "God of War: Chains of Olympus"? Looked pretty cool but that boss battle looked way too reminiscent of the first Hydra battle in God of War.
Apart from that I saw nothing really impressive (except R&C, big surprise).

[ThirdMarioBro]

So, I decided to wait on PS3 until Christmas or so (unless I find a deal too good to pass up before then). I decided it's a cheap way to Blu-Ray (which I'm really looking forward to moving to for movies because I want to add a projector to my wall) and Sony is finally getting the kind of games I would like to play (great first party efforts, and quirky Japanese stuff with a big budget).

Actually, I'm seeing more games I would like for PS3 on the horizon than for the Xbox 360, but the fewer 360 games I get I will probably have a greater attachment to. It's a fair trade-off. Anyway, I'm getting one eventually. Just not now.

Damn, I'm going to own all three consoles. That feels...different.

[Ecto Jedi]

So, I decided to wait on PS3 until Christmas or so (unless I find a deal too good to pass up before then). I decided it's a cheap way to Blu-Ray (which I'm really looking forward to moving to for movies because I want to add a projector to my wall) and Sony is finally getting the kind of games I would like to play (great first party efforts, and quirky Japanese stuff with a big budget).

Dammit, I wish I had the coin for a nice media set-up -- PS3/Blu-Ray, projector, surround sound...The works. I'm tired of watching TV on this damn cereal box of mine.

[Janus Prospero]

Just an FYI, if any of you haven't updated your PS3's to firmware 1.80, DO SO NOW!

They've implemented upscaling of DVD (over HDMI) and PS1/PS2, and did a damn good job. There is marginal improvement on the PS1/PS2 end, but it does look way better. FFXII, Ratchet & Clank, and God of War all look great. (Note: You'll need to set the scaling on the PS3 to "Fullscreen" if you want to play the games in widescreen, but if you just have a 4:3 TV, then "Normal" is what you want.)

But what I'm really happy over is the DVD upscaling. The software solution they implemented is top notch. Using the TMNT 2k3 Season 1, Part 1 DVD as a test medium with my PS3 and XBox 360 ELite (both over HDMI), the PS3 does a way better job of deinterlacing the show. There is slight combing of the lines when watching it on the XBox, but the PS3 does it perfectly. All the lines look smooth. :D

They've also fixed the "Blacker than Black" issue that the PS3 had by adding a "RGB Range" option. Assuming your TV can handle this color range, setting this to "Full" should bring much more depth to your blacks and not make the screen as washed out. (There is actually a small glitch, where this will reset to "Limited" after turning off the PS3, even though it still says "Full" So you have to retoggle the setting back to "Limited" then back to "Full" again each time you turn your PS3 on. This will hopefully be fixed in the next update.)

I was using my XBox as my default DVD player, but after 1.80, I will be switching over to the PS3. I'm actually a little mad, cause that means I have to buy the PS3 remote now. And that's just what I need, another remote control... :P

[Peanut]

I still have a hard time watching any DVD's on my 360 HDDVD drive, or my PS3. They just look so ugly when compared to their HD companions.

As for the upscaling of games, I can't really notice much of a difference. Games like GoW, that run in pro-scan, look pretty good, but Odin Sphere still looks kind of smudgy. It's good, but not great.

Edit: Just checked out Samurai Jack, upscaled on the PS3. That's so solid sh*t they got going there. Without a doubt.

[ThirdMarioBro]

I never used my 360 as a DVD player because it's media functionality always seemed (and still seems) half-assed. The PS3 should be great for my DVD/Blu-Ray collection.

[ThirdMarioBro]

I find it odd that Sony just announced a PSP "Lite" when there still isn't a goddamned thing to play for the machine.

[愛]

I heard that GTA is pretty sweet, mang.

[Peanut]

I actually tried to play Liberty City Stories on my PSP last night, and I had to put it away again. I've never played a game with worse control in my LIFE! And I've played Red Steel, people!

[愛]

So how much dust did you have to clean off the PSP to be able to see the screen clearly?

It's a shame Logic isn't around to praise the PSP. :cry:

[Peanut]

So how much dust did you have to clean off the PSP to be able to see the screen clearly?

It's funny you should ask! I actually can't get it completely clean anymore. It's like there's a layer of congealed dust, unmovable, caked to the screen.

And speaking of Sony products collecting dust, I must say, and I don't totally mean this in a harsh or derogatory way to the PS3; but since I got mine, my room has remained almost entirely dust free. The stuff just clings to it like a magnet. It's insane.

[ThirdMarioBro]

My Wii is the same way. The white finish covers it though.

As for GTA, yeah, the controls are awful. Played it enough to know that. The problem is that every game in that machine's library has awful control. 3D, 2D, puzzle games...hell, even Lumines is stiff to a point. The machine is worthless because it has the worse analog stick and D-Pad ever thrown on the market. If not for that killing feature, I would love the machine. The PlayStation Dual Shock may lack decent diagonals, but it works well. The PSP's D-Pad is just garbage. That's what killed it for me. Even the good games are unplayable.

I hold no hope for God of War either. Having been spoiled on the PS2 game's control, I have no idea in hell how that is going to play on PSP.

[ThirdMarioBro]

http://360.advancedmn.com/article.php?artid=10511

Soul Calibur IV for PS3 and Xbox 360. I'm actually going with the PS3 version next year because I can't play fighting games with that horrendous 360 controller. The buttons are too stiff, and the D-Pad (8-way run) is a lost cause.

No arcade stick means I'm going PS3's trusty old dual shock.

[Peanut]

Too bad Soul Caliber is a faint shadow of it's former self. And anyone who would play a fighting game on the 360 needs a slap in the face.

And, dude. Do you even own a PS3?

[ThirdMarioBro]

No, I don't, but I probably will before the end of the year. Besides, SCIV isn't coming within the year anyway, if even that soon.

[Barkworm]

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3160820

Still too expensive (disproportionately speaking) but it's a start.

[ThirdMarioBro]

And that just sold me a PS3 after the price drop.

[Barkworm]

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2007/07/08/new-ps3-new-price-drop-more-news-coming/

[Mr. Snackpants]

That's good news. I may be able to get a PS3 soon that I thought.

I wonder if Microsoft will counter with a price drop of their own?

[Barkworm]

That would be funny because it would totally crush Sony. They pretty much played into Microsoft's hand with the price drop.

[Dr. Doom]

Well, they're losing even more money on the systems now, and I really wouldn't be shocked if 360's price dropped even just a little, based on how much longer it's been out.

[Dr. Doom]

Right, so uh......apparently the REAL reason that the 60GB model got a price drop is because it's been discontinued. They're just gonna stick with this new 80GB model for $599.

[bullet]

between the new tales, jeanne d'arc and mhf2, i have no idea how i'll come up with cash for any other console but psp for a while :(

[Dr. Doom]

PSP's got some good stuff on it. I wish I had one.

[Dr. Doom]

Double post for great justice. Gamespot has posted 2 MGS related stories; first, Kojima showed a 20 minute demo of GotP at an event in Japan, revealing several new aspects of the gameplay. In addition to that, he also announced that he was so happy with Subsistance's online play, they're making a brand new online MGS game for the PS3, as well as releasing an add-on version of Portable Ops.

Both stories are right here.

MGS4 Demo (http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/adventure/metalgearsolid4/news.html?sid=6175206&tag=topslot;title;1&om_act=convert&om_clk=topslot)

MGS Online/Portable Ops+ (http://www.gamespot.com/news/6175243.html?action=convert&om_clk=latestnews&tag=latestnews;title;3)

[Ecto Jedi]

PSP's got some good stuff on it. I wish I had one.

Now that Ai and Peanut are gone, I can say this without getting flamed: yes, it does have some good stuff. A lot of good stuff, actually.

[Brodie]

Whoa, whoa, whoa....Let's not jump the gun.

SOME good stuff.

[Barkworm]

I've had my PSP for two months, it's used almost exclusively as an MP3 player. Both games I got (Daxter and Loco Roco)... well, they don't actually suck but they're not that great either. And it bothers me a big deal that Daxter is always being used as an example for 3D gameplay done right on the PSP because that game is broken.

[Jed]

Over here retailers have been going one better on Sony's new 'buy a PS3, get a free controller and two games' by giving away a third game free. I'm thinking of picking one up, if just for BluRay and MGS4.

[Dr. Doom]

So, like...PS3 ISN'T fully BC now?

[ThirdMarioBro]

I doubt it will ever be now that they lost the emotion engine. Neither Sony or Microsoft show much interest in the feature.

[Peanut]

I doubt it will ever be now that they lost the emotion engine. Neither Sony or Microsoft show much interest in the feature.

Despite the fact that both systems support BC for almost every single game people who normally want to go back and play. Yeah, not much interest. I guess they can't just be like Nintendo and use the exact same sh*tty f*cking hardware for 12 years in a row.

[Mr. Snackpants]

I remember saying, "Who needs a web browser on their gaming console. I have a computer for that." Well now I wish my 360 had a web browser like the PS3, because my laptop is in for repairs....2 or maybe even 3 weeks. **** me.

[Cure]

I remember saying, "Who needs a web browser on their gaming console. I have a computer for that." Well now I wish my 360 had a web browser like the PS3, because my laptop is in for repairs....2 or maybe even 3 weeks. **** me.

You have a Wii, right? Use that.

[Mr. Snackpants]

You have a Wii, right? Use that.

Haha. **** I forgot about my f*cking Wii! I haven't plugged it in for so long it slipped my mind. Can I plug a keyboard into one of the Wiis USB port?

[Cure]

Haha. **** I forgot about my f*cking Wii! I haven't plugged it in for so long it slipped my mind. Can I plug a keyboard into one of the Wiis USB port?

Yeah, but only on the message board and Wii shop channel. Why they don't allow it on the internet channel is beyond me...

Link (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=178244)

[Mecha Cow]

New MGS4 Trailer (http://www.gamersyde.com/leech_4565_en.html).

Snake in REX vs. Liquid in RAY? Nice.

[Peanut]

How the f*ck to people like this ****? Seriously. This series continues to be the most mind-f*cking thing I've ever seen.

[愛]

http://www.roflcats.com/images/0206.jpg

[Dr. Doom]

It certainly was kinda all over the place, but it seems perfectly within context to me. I was worried when I heard Cam Clarke wasn't gonna be in the game, so I'm glad they're just using Patric Zimmerman (Ocelot's VA) instead of trying to replace him.

[Ecto Jedi]

How the f*ck to people like this ****? Seriously. This series continues to be the most mind-f*cking thing I've ever seen.

That's part of the charm.

[Peanut]

That's part of the charm.

That's fine, but how can people continue to bill Metal Gear as one of the best game stories ever made? Seriously...how? F*cking Katamari Damacy has a story that makes more sense than this sh*t!

[Mecha Cow]

MGS has a retarded story, but great storytelling.

[Barkworm]

True even though the stories in MGS 1 and 3 weren't that bad.

[Mecha Cow]

As long as MGS4's is better than 2's. I tried to like it but by the end it felt as if the game was laughing at me.

[Janus Prospero]

MGS has a retarded story, but great storytelling.
That's a good way of putting it. But as ridiculous as they are, I still find them good.

[Ecto Jedi]

That's fine, but how can people continue to bill Metal Gear as one of the best game stories ever made? Seriously...how? F*cking Katamari Damacy has a story that makes more sense than this sh*t!

It's all in the presentation. It might be more about style than substance, but it's a fantastic guilty pleasure nonetheless.

[Dr. Doom]

No guilt here.

[Janus Prospero]

No guilt here.

Yeah, same here. I'm actually suprised to learn that there are people that don't like the Metal Gear series.

[Peanut]

Yeah, same here. I'm actually suprised to learn that there are people that don't like the Metal Gear series.

It's the ones that prefer gameplay and substance over nonsensical cut-scenes and "stealth" gameplay that got topped back in 2002.

[Mecha Cow]

Well, you really have to enjoy the vibe. The games are definitely style over substance, and if you don't dig the style there isn't much left (Honestly, while the games have some very creative ideas, they are not too impressive from a technical standpoint).

[Janus Prospero]

It's the ones that prefer gameplay and substance over nonsensical cut-scenes and "stealth" gameplay that got topped back in 2002.

I can sorta understand that. Metal Gear really goes overboard with cut scenes sometimes, especially in the openning of the games. Like I think the first half hour of MGS3 is solid cut scene and it's just like, "Dammit! Let me play already!"

I don't know if it's fair to say that any form of game has been topped and we should leave it at that. I mean, as technology increases, so will the possibilities as far as games go. Each sequel has been leaps and bounds better than the previous as far as the gameplay is concerned.

[Peanut]

I will say two words concerning stealth video games. Everyone can disagree if they want to, but I personally believe it's just the denial of a MGS fan who disagrees with this.

Those two words: Splinter Cell

[Janus Prospero]

I will say two words concerning stealth video games. Everyone can disagree if they want to, but I personally believe it's just the denial of a MGS fan who disagrees with this.

Those two words: Splinter Cell

Hey I like Splinter Cell too! Double Agent especially is one of the most bad ass games I've ever played.

I just kinda like the whole Professional Wrestling/Soap Opera vibe that MGS has is all.

[Peanut]

Yeah, that's the thing. I'm not into the long cut-scenes and overblown story elements. I never have been. I'm all about the gameplay, so if it isn't great, I'm not going to sit through all the excess stuff.

Case in point, I actually enjoyed MGS2: Substance, (I think?) because it had the VR missions, where you just played the damn game.

[Dr. Doom]

All games aren't either good or bad by definition, it's all very subjective.

[Peanut]

Thanks for that brilliant comment, Doom. I don't think we knew that one.

[Brodie]

Anyone else get that weird vibe that Doom is like OUR Snarf?

[Dr. Doom]

Just pretend I'm not here. That makes it easier for everyone.

[Barkworm]

Is Team Ico developing a sequel to one of their awesome games?! (http://teamicogamers.blogspot.com/2007/10/opm-uk-stalks-team-ico-for-us-no.html)
I love Ueda. LOVE!

[Peanut]

This proves that not only is there a God, but he listens to my prayers. The scope of those games on f*cking last-gen hardware is STILL astounding, I can't wait to see what that team does with so much more power. I was hyped just knowing they were working on something, but a SEQUEL to what are easily two of the very best games on the PS2? Anticipation = HIGH!

Barky, I think you and I me be the only ones into this stuff, but it's also clear we're the smartest ones in here, so it's not so surprising.

[Barkworm]

Seriously, those games were too intellectual for most dumb f*ckers. I wonder what a sequel to Ico or SotC would be about though.

[Peanut]

I have no idea, as neither really left a ton open. Especially SotC, I don't know how that would work at all.

[Barkworm]

Yeah, if they actually make a sequel it should be ICO 2.

[Mecha Cow]

There are some strong rumors that starting Oct. 10th, in Europe, the 60GB PS3 is getting a €100 price drop, and will eventually be phased out in favor of a €399 40GB model (Which apparently won't have HD-output, making it uninteresting). A console plus two games and two controllers for €500 doesn't seem like that bad of a deal, honestly. I'm not saying I'll run out and buy a PS3 now, but things just got a bit more appealing.

*E* I've never actually played ICO (Though I really want to), but is it really a game that needs a sequel?

[Cure]

Price drop confirmed. (http://kotaku.com/gaming/ps3/scee-confirms-ps3-price-drop-307589.php)

[ThirdMarioBro]

Alright, one of the main reasons I'm not bothering to get my 360 fixed is that I'm saving for a PS3. I want a 60Gb model before the Backwards Compatibility gets shafted.

Question to 60GB PS3 Owners:
This is the model that has the PS2 chip set included. How good is the PS2 support? Is upscaling enabled? How does it look? Any games not work?

Question to 80GB PS3 Owners:
This is supposedly the model that doesn't include the PS2 chip set, and relies on software emulation. Anybody have any problems with it? If so, what problems have you experienced?



Rest assured I won't be going anywhere near the rumored piece of sh*t 40GB model that doesn't have any PS2 BC at all.

[Peanut]

I'd still LOVE to know why you want a PS3 at all.

[ThirdMarioBro]

Wipeout HD
Wipeout (insert title here for next year)
Heavenly Sword
MGS4 (I played the first one a while back and fell in love)
God of War 3 (whenever it shows up)
Soul Calibur IV (can't play it on a 360's d-pad)
Street Fighter II HD and its sequels (again, the 360's sh*tty d-pad)
Motorstorm
Uncharted: Drake's Fortune
GT5: Prolouge
The inevitable Final Fantasy VII remake

[Peanut]

That list makes me ROFL so hard.

[Dr. Doom]

The inevitable Final Fantasy VII remake

Don't hold your breath.

[ThirdMarioBro]

Yeah, I'm a racing whore. Its just the whole genre went to hell and never recovered since a short time after I joined these forums.

[Toonami Tom]

I decided to buy Heavenly Sword today. Best realistic faces I have ever seen in a video game. I know that sounds strange, but it's ture, and it's awesome looking.:D

The game seems simple so far, but I really like it. This is the best sword fighting game I have ever played, I also love it that all attacks are blocked when you are not attacking.:)

I reccomend this game to everyone who has a PS3.

[Brodie]

And who has 4 hours to kill?

[Peanut]

Yeah, I was gonna say. You better also be recommending it to people who are OK with paying full-price for a 4 hour game.

[ThirdMarioBro]

Yeah, you know--people such as myself.

[Peanut]

You mean the casual gamer who attempts to be the embodiment of the hardcore audience, when in reality their tastes are so in-line with the casual market these days that all their credibility is lost; and even the constant jabbering about poor Japanese puzzles games from the mid-to-late nineties can't cover up the fact that they play less (both in quantity and genre breadth) games than your average drunken frat-boy?

Yeah, you're right.

[愛]

..........................

Peanut wins the internet so badly, that the internet needs to be shut down right now. There's nothing else to see here. Let's go, people. Shut it down!

[Toonami Tom]

Wow....... Yup, Peanut wins.

Hmm..... I have a 20gb PS3 and I want to get on what I will call 'PS3 Live.' The problem is that 20gb PS3 consoles do not have Wi-Fi built in. I am not close enough to my router to use a cord to get on 'PS3 Live', so I was wondering if anyone knew of a product they could reccomend to use on my PS3 so I can get on 'Live' wireless. Please advise, please.

[Mecha Cow]

Do you mean 40GB or is there an even smaller model that I'm not aware of? O_o

[愛]

http://www.gamestop.com/product.asp?product%5Fid=020071

zomg

[Mecha Cow]

Huh. Why is it the same price as the 60GB model though?

[愛]

The 60gb model is $499.99 USD. The 20gb model is $449.99 USD. That is so lame.

[Peanut]

Isn't the 60GB getting phased out, though? I think that's why. The 40GB is taking over. What's hilarious is they have ZERO BC of any kind. Not hardware, not software emulation. Nothing.

[Mecha Cow]

That, and didn't the 40GB model have no HD or something? Isn't that, like...The whole point of next-gen graphics?

[Peanut]

That was originally. There was no HDMI port on it, but they saw that that would have killed the thing worse than any amount of poor games ever could, so they put it back in.

[Mecha Cow]

Hmm, that makes it slightly more interesting. The EU PS3's only have like 48% backwards compatibility anyway (As opposed to the US' 98% - Because we 'don't mind'), so the loss of it isn't an enormous deal.

[Toonami Tom]

Isn't the 60GB getting phased out, though? I think that's why. The 40GB is taking over. What's hilarious is they have ZERO BC of any kind. Not hardware, not software emulation. Nothing.

Zero BC? Dang.... Why are they removing this feature from future PS3s? That's just.... dumb.

The only thing that Sony really has going for it, is the ability to use hardware that isn't exclusive. For example, you can use a harddrive from a computer on a PS3, but you can't do that on an XBox 360. The reason this matters is because a computer harddrive with a lot of space can be cheaper than an XBox 360 exclusive harddrive.

XBox 360 is winning so far, and that's fine with me. I just hope my PS3 doesn't collect dust after I beat Heavenly Sword. Although, I can still dust it, even if I'm not using the console.:D

[Dr. Doom]

I tend to look at the 360 as the PS2 of this generation, ironically enough.

[Peanut]

I just hope my PS3 doesn't collect dust after I beat Heavenly Sword. Although, I can still dust it, even if I'm not using the console.:D

It wasn't collecting dust BEFORE that!? Or is this just because you only recently got it? For me, my PS3 would be caked with dust, if not for the fact that it has the single best DVD upscaling tech I have ever seen.

[Toonami Tom]

lol, I got my PS3 in December of last year, I played Resistance: Fall of Man untill I got to a level that was kind of hard. Then I hardly played my PS3 until a few months ago, when I got Tomb Raider: Anniversary for PS2. I played that for a few weeks. Then I got Heavenly Sword over the weekend. So my PS3 is still pretty new to me, even though I have had it for about a year.

I also have Untold Legends: Dark Kingdom for PS3, but I don't play it much.

What games do you have for PS3?

[Peanut]

Resistance, Motorstorm, Virtua Fighter 4 and Heavenly Sword. What else is there to own, really? lulz

[Toonami Tom]

Hehe, true, there really isn't much else. I might get Motorstorm, is it worth my money though?

PS3 could be a great system. It is certainly powerful enough. It's the lack of good games that is hurting the system. PS3 needs to hire Capcom or something.

[Peanut]

Motorstorm is pretty fun, but lacks any options at all and feels completely unfinished in every way, aside from the graphics.

I really only have a PS3 for Blu-Ray, DVD upscaling and a couple franchises. God of War and...you know...something else that isn't third-party...and Sony exclusive...like...uh...hmm. I guess just the one franchise then.

[Toonami Tom]

I notice that my PS3 has these clear bars that move up my tv screen. They don't seem as bold as they used to, probably because I downloaded the latest PS3 update (I guess that's why at least), but I think they are still there. Is it my tv or what? They seem to be not as bad by plugging the PS3 into my VCR, but then the picture quality seems to be downgraded. Meh....

[Jed]

I only use my PS3 for BluRay and DVD too. Sometimes I use the browser but not often. The only game I own is Resistance and I played it for all of five minutes.

[ThirdMarioBro]

Zero BC? Dang.... Why are they removing this feature from future PS3s? That's just.... dumb.


They're probably phasing it out so gamers will be more willing to buy a "best of" selection of overpriced PSX and eventually PS2 games on their network.

No thanks. I'll be getting the 60GB and upgrading the hard drive.

[Toonami Tom]

Yeah, you might be right. When I brought my PS3 into my living room where the router is and got online with it, I saw the 'greatest hits' games in their version of marketplace.

Man I really wish my PS3 had Wi-Fi, so I could play PS3 online without having to take my PS3 into my living room.

[JameO]

While the PS3 might not be a choice for gamers, hackers might have some fun with these machines! The processor power and the strength of Linux...

http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,140064-c,gameconsoles/article.html

Pretty interesting article, another reason why games are bad for society.

[Toonami Tom]

Dang, it's too bad that some bad people are smart enough to figure this kind of stuff out.

Remember back when it was said that the PS2 could be used to launch missles? That's deep.

[ThirdMarioBro]

I'm thinking about future PS3 games worth getting (or Christmas bagging). Who here has played Naughty Dog's Drake's Fortune, and just how good is it?

[Jed]

I played the demo and judging from that I'd say it's fun for a while and then gets pretty repetitive. I'm still really tempted to get it but I'll wait and see if someone gets me it for Christmas.

[ThirdMarioBro]

It seems story driven by nature, so the repetitive gameplay wouldn't affect me.

[Peanut]

I've heard it's one of the PS3's better games. I haven't given it a shot yet, as I'm expecting it for Christmas. Janus played it, though, and he said it was really really awesome. I believe him.

[ThirdMarioBro]

Good. I had hoped it would turn out, because the thing was a mess at E3 (did the hands-on). It was loaded with crash bugs, had horrible aiming controls, and and the cinemas continually lagged. I guess Naughty Dog cleaned it up.

[Toonami Tom]

I might get Drake's Fortune, I'm not sure yet. Hmm.... It's like Tomb Raider, right?

[Peanut]

I've heard it compared to a mash-up of Tomb Raider and Prince of Persia, mixed in with very Gears of War-like gun play.

[Toonami Tom]

Oh ok, thanks for the info. By Gears of War gun play does that include finding cover or is it just the targeting system?

[Cure]

I thought I'd put this here. According to GreenPeace, consoles (http://www.greenpeace.org/international/clashoftheconsoles/) are killing the Earth. In all honesty, that video is ROFLtastic.

[Janus Prospero]

I played the demo and judging from that I'd say it's fun for a while and then gets pretty repetitive. I'm still really tempted to get it but I'll wait and see if someone gets me it for Christmas.

The combat system does start to get a little repetitive, but before it really started to bother me, something unexpected happens in the game which mixes things up again combat wise.


It seems story driven by nature, so the repetitive gameplay wouldn't affect me.

It's very story driven, but the gameplay is still strong too.


Good. I had hoped it would turn out, because the thing was a mess at E3 (did the hands-on). It was loaded with crash bugs, had horrible aiming controls, and and the cinemas continually lagged. I guess Naughty Dog cleaned it up.

Oh no, the final product is very well polished.


Oh ok, thanks for the info. By Gears of War gun play does that include finding cover or is it just the targeting system?

Yes, cover plays a pivotal role for the majority of the game.


I agree that it is deffinitely one of the PS3's better games at the moment. I wouldn't say that it's one of the best games ever made, but if I were to look at each individual aspect of the game I would say that it is either good or great. I can't really think of anything bad in the game.

Tycho has a pretty accurate microreview up on PA (http://www.penny-arcade.com/2007/12/12).

[Peanut]

I agree that it is deffinitely one of the PS3's better games at the moment. I wouldn't say that it's one of the best games ever made, but if I were to look at each individual aspect of the game I would say that it is either good or great. I can't really think of anything bad in the game.

I really can't wait to play it. I'd probably already own it by now, if not for the fact that my parents INSISTED that I ask for at least a little something for Christmas. I'm sure it'll be great, and playing my PS3 again is something I'm looking forward to.

My PS3 collection is just pathetic. I owned all the noteworthy games at one point, but those games had to suffer in my pre-Halo 3 RROD crisis. The only loss I lament is Motorstorm, though. The only one I still currently have is Heavenly Sword, which I absolutely loved. I actually started playing it through again earlier today, and I still love it so much, so the recent news that they're planning on making a (surprise!) trilogy really makes me happy.

That whole last paragraph was just an excuse for me to talk about how awesome Heavenly Sword was again. Excuse me for that.

[Barkworm]

While watching the 1up show I noticed that Ready at Dawn's Ru Weerasuriya and I are the same person! Which is great, I didn't even know that I was into programming and ****.

[Mr. Snackpants]

Ok so I was returning something at BestBuy and an old lady walked out with 10 PS3s!!!! 10!!!! They're not hard to find so she can't be selling them on eBay...she's also old so she probably doesn't know how. Could she possibly have 10 grandkids? I don't know what else to think.

[Spitfire]

Ok so I was returning something at BestBuy and an old lady walked out with 10 PS3s!!!! 10!!!! They're not hard to find so she can't be selling them on eBay...she's also old so she probably doesn't know how. Could she possibly have 10 grandkids? I don't know what else to think.

Happened at my work every few months. She probably works for a company that does fund raisers and those are raffle prizes. I've also seen them buy 15 360s. It's actually rather common.

[Dr. Doom]

[UPDATE] Shortly after today's update went live, reports arose that all original PlayStation games were now playable using the PS3-to-PSP Remote Play function. GameSpot has confirmed with Sony that today's firmware updates do indeed confer Remote Play functionality for all original PlayStation games downloaded over the PlayStation Network and some spun using the original PS game's disc on the PS3.

Would someone mind telling me what the hell that's supposed to mean?

[Cure]

Would someone mind telling me what the hell that's supposed to mean?

You can use the PSP as a controller for PSX games. All downloaded, some discs.

[Dr. Doom]

I didn't even know you could download old PSX games to the PS3.

[Mr. Snackpants]

Happened at my work every few months. She probably works for a company that does fund raisers and those are raffle prizes. I've also seen them buy 15 360s. It's actually rather common.

Oh ok that makes more sense. She turned everyones heads as she walked by. Surprised she wasn't robbed.

[Peanut]

Has anyone seen all the new trailers for the new PSP game Patapon? Jesus Christ does that game look f*cking awesome. Totally excited for a PSP game. That's a feeling I haven't had since the Earthworm Jim remake got canned.

[Jed]

Does anyone know if the extended life battery is out for the PSP in America yet? I really want to get one but there are none for sale online (online stores or eBay) and a Google search only gives me news articles about it.

[Spitfire]

They still haven't fixed that issue yet? Man.

[Peanut]

Does anyone know if the extended life battery is out for the PSP in America yet? I really want to get one but there are none for sale online (online stores or eBay) and a Google search only gives me news articles about it.

I don't think so.

But you seriously use your PSP that much? Damn...

[Jed]

Well I did only get it on Xmas day so it's very new to me. I've had to charge it nearly every day since I got it, I only get a good 3 - 4 hours out of a full charge.

[ThirdMarioBro]

Is there a PSN friend list in this thread, or do I have to bug you separately?

[Jed]

I'm pretty sure mine's JedEgan, same as my gamertag.

[Peanut]

Is there a PSN friend list in this thread, or do I have to bug you separately?

What the hell are we going to play on PSN? I don't even think I have a f*cking account on there yet.

[Cure]

First post of the new year. LOLZ.

[Ecto Jedi]

This thread makes me sad and I don't know why.

[Peanut]

I use my PS3 everyday to play DVD's. It's great. Games? LAWL! What games?

[Ecto Jedi]

GTA IV will sell a ton. And MGS 4.

[Peanut]

GTA IV will sell a ton on 360. And MGS 4.

Fixed that one.

[Ecto Jedi]

Are we still pining for the imminent collapse of Sony and its game consoles? 'Cuz I'm ready to jump on the bandwagon now.

[Peanut]

Not until God of War 3 comes out. That's when we can all leave.

[ThirdMarioBro]

I'll be buying all the year's fighters on PS3. Why? Simple--I can use this baby with my PS2/PS3 adapter.

http://www.8bitjoystick.com/archives/photos/Street_Fighter_Anniversary_Controller.jpg

Why would I use the awful Xbox 360 d-pad when I don't have to (though Sony's is nearly as bad)? It's nice having a choice for the first time. I can't play 2D/3D fighters with analog sticks. They all use 8-way movement, so I need an 8-way pad. When fighters go truly analog on a mass scale, I'll move to sticks. Until then, I need a D-Pad that doesn't suck.

[Brodie]

I'll be buying all the year's fighters on PS3. Why? Simple--I can use this baby with my PS2/PS3 adapter.

http://www.8bitjoystick.com/archives/photos/Street_Fighter_Anniversary_Controller.jpg

Why would I use the awful Xbox 360 d-pad when I don't have to (though Sony's is nearly as bad)? It's nice having a choice for the first time. I can't play 2D/3D fighters with analog sticks. They all use 8-way movement, so I need an 8-way pad. When fighters go truly analog on a mass scale, I'll move to sticks. Until then, I need a D-Pad that doesn't suck.

I wish you were aborted.

[Dr. Doom]

Bahahahahaha!

[ThirdMarioBro]

I wish you were aborted.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v210/ThirdMarioBro/jesus-thanks-4-info.gif

[Peanut]

It's like you're from some other planet. You take the lamest sh*t serious.

"WHOMG! I CAN'T USE STICKS! I NEED A PAD! IF I USE STICKS I WON'T BE ABLE TO PULL OFF UBER MOVES AS QUICK AND KICK MY 10 YEAR OLD SISTERS ASS!...because...I have no friends...to play with...IRL...lul"

And don't get me started on the whole puzzle game thing.

[Ecto Jedi]

Please, please, can't we get back to the Sony bashing?

[AquaParade]

Anyone else excited for Final Fantasy 13 Versus???

To tell the truth, I've only played a few of the final fantasies...and I've never even played one all the way through...shh!;):lol:, but I'm loving the one this way looks and the fact that its an ACTION rpg. I know it's being made by the same team as Kingdom hearts, but is that the same team behind Kingdom Hearts two? This one really look's like it has potential. Hopefully the fact that it's an action rpg wont diminish the story or length.

[poiuytre]

Yeah, it's made by the same team as Kingdom Hearts 1 and 2. It's hard not to be excited when one of the best teams of all time is working on a new game. The screenshots so far look really amazing. I wouldn't worry about the story. Nomura-san won't allow a critical part like that to disappoint.

I hope after this they'll make Kingdom Hearts 3. They should give it a more serious and mature tone.

[AquaParade]

I'm betting they will, considering it looked like they did it with the second one...I havent even played the second one though unfortunately..for a guy who got bored of exploring the worlds of the first, do you think I'd get any enjoyment out of Kingdom hearts 2?

[Peanut]

I'm betting they will, considering it looked like they did it with the second one...I havent even played the second one though unfortunately..for a guy who got bored of exploring the worlds of the first, do you think I'd get any enjoyment out of Kingdom hearts 2?

It's pretty good until you have to backtrack to all the worlds over again. That was pretty damn annoying.

[AquaParade]

Bummer...I heard the combat was a lot better though...

[R-iZZy]

I think I've finally made my decision on when to get a PS3. When the MGS4 bundle comes out, I will finally cave in. I pledged to get a HDTV set first, but I knew Sony would pull something out of their ass to get a sale out of me.

[Ra]

...I heard the combat was a lot better though...
Oh definitely. The combat in the first game really needed you to rely on your own skill, potions, cure spells, and sometimes luck if you were low on levels. Which annoyed me. A lot. In the second game that isn't the case, since a lovely thing called "reaction commands" came in, allowing you to take giant chunks of health out of enemies easily (or at least making it easier to kill them).

As for going back to the other worlds...it isn't as bad as it sounds. Well, it went by pretty quickly for me at least. I think I cleared "Land of the Dragons" in less than an hour when I revisited it...

[Cure]

And the transformations are soooooooooooooo fun.

[Peanut]

As for going back to the other worlds...it isn't as bad as it sounds. Well, it went by pretty quickly for me at least. I think I cleared "Land of the Dragons" in less than an hour when I revisited it...

That's an hour too long, as far as I'm concerned. Especially when the only reason for doing it is to artificially lengthen the game.

[poiuytre]

Ok, guys. I just read that Hideo Kojima is embarrassed and afraid that people will hate him and call him a liar because he couldn't implement many of the things he was showing and talking about when he first presented MGS4. :cry: Everyone should support this game to show that he is still loved, that he's the best game designer of this time, because it's already certain to be the best game of 2008, and MGS is a series that every real gamer enjoys. 8)

Need convincing? :-?

Sound-wise, it is said to be the most impressive game on the market. Everything uses lossless HD audio, so for the audiophiles with high-end soundsystems, the game ought to be heaven.

Don't be scared off by screenshots. There might a plethora of games released already that surpass it visually, but MGS4 has something that something timeless; Style. The game has a sexy colorfilter that makes every location feel unique and bursting with atmosphere. There are many astonishing little touches everywhere that make the game look simply cool. (The Metal Gears bleed for example)

The gameplay looks nothing short of stunning either. The 4th entry is supposedly more action-oriented than all the previous installments combined! They designed the game as a shooter and built the stealth elements in from there, in contrast with how the other games were made. As you can see, you can play the game in two completely different ways, assuring replayability!

Last but not least, the story. If you've played a MGS game before, you will know what to expect. Hideo Kojima is Tom Clancy and M. Night Shyamalan rolled into one person. There is very little known about the story so far (other than that Snake will lose), but it will be automatically amazing. Kojima-san already confirmed there would be many plottwists that no one would have even dared to dream of. Even if you haven't played all the previous games, the game has a cool feature that shows you recaps of older plot elements at the press of a button in the middle of cutscenes. Speaking of cutscenes, it's also been comfirmed that, even without the flashback recaps, cutscenes frequently lasted over 30 minutes in length! :D

The game is a Playstation 3 exclusive. This game simply can't be done on any other platform. The game makes use of rumble, the sixaxis' unique motion controls and the vast size of Bluray discs.

Excited yet? It's hard not to be when there are only positive things to say about a game this great. I've got my LE copy preordered, what about you?

[Mecha Cow]

So how much did you get for that?

[Peanut]

Is this ****** one of those often heard about PR moles? Has he been trying to infiltrate our community so he can plant retarded PR nonsense in our minds!?

My dislike continues to grow!

MGS is a series that every real gamer enjoys.

And ROFL. No. F*ck yourself! 8)

[Dr. Doom]

Even I think this is a little off.

[Jed]

That was extremely strange. I'll be getting MGS4 because I want to, not because some faceless person on the internet reckons I should.

[AquaParade]

Regarding the Action first- stealth being built off that remark not only worries me, but sounds like a salesman trying to expand the market:lol:

[poiuytre]

Har har...very funny, guys. No, I'm not a viral marketer. I'm just trying to help people lead the way to the game of the year. I've seen people going far beyond that for that Super Smash Mario Brothers Brawl game while this is objectively better and more fun. There's nothing wrong with being excited over a game's release. My PS3 will be gone for repair for several weeks and I'm praying I will get it back on time for the release.

And ROFL. No. F*ck yourself! 8)
What's wrong with MGS? I don't see how you could disagree unless you're the Wii Sports - Animal Crossing - Nintendogs kind of gamer. :-?

Nothing is wrong with liking Metal Gear Solid...one of the most amazing franchises to ever hit consoles.
Right on! :tparty:

[AquaParade]

Nothing is wrong with liking Metal Gear Solid...one of the most amazing franchises to ever hit consoles.

[Cure]

Speaking of cutscenes, it's also been comfirmed that, even without the flashback recaps, cutscenes frequently lasted over 30 minutes in length! :D

Are you f*cking kidding me? That's a good thing? Are you out of your f*cking mind?

What's wrong with MGS? I don't see how you could disagree unless you're the Wii Sports - Animal Crossing - Nintendogs kind of gamer. :-?

Wow. Just shut the f*ck up and go away. I like MGS, but saying sh*t like that just shows how much of a dumbass you really are.

[Dr. Doom]

I've seen people going far beyond that for that Super Smash Mario Brothers Brawl game while this is objectively better and more fun.

Guys, he's not a viral marketer, he's just an a-hole who likes to compare games that have business being compared to each other.

That might be the most obnoxious thing anyone has ever posted on this forum EVER.

[poiuytre]

Are you f*cking kidding me? That's a good thing? Are you out of your f*cking mind?
You can always skip the cutscenes or use the new Pause, Fast Forward or Rewind features. They didn't forget about the people that get bored by cutscenes or have limited playtime.

That might be the most obnoxious thing anyone has ever posted on this forum EVER.
Yeah, ok I'm sorry about that statement. I was just a little frustrated how everyone treated me as a viral marketer when I was just showing some love, something that gets done to that other game all the time without a backlash. I'm aware that Brawl is a more fun game for people that like party games and nintendos. No hard feelings? You seemed like one of the coolest people on the board, I wouldn't want to upset you.

[AquaParade]

Has it been confirmed that you can save during cut scenes and rewind and such? If so, I'm all for it. Hideo Kojima knows how to tell a great story. MGS3 was a tear jerker.

[GK Punk]

What's wrong with MGS? I don't see how you could disagree unless you're the Wii Sports - Animal Crossing - Nintendogs kind of gamer. :-?



Dude, what the hell is wrong with you. I ****ing hate MGS, and I've never played Wii Sports or Nintendogs. Animal Crossing was fun to play with my ex girlfriend though.

Oh right, I better stop there. I disagree with you so I'm not a real gamer. Go back to GameFaqs.

[Dr. Doom]

Listen, I love Metal Gear Solid just as much as you do (and it's also worth noting that I love Smash Bros. just as much), but you really have no right comparing it to a game of a completely different genre and saying it's "objectively better". That's outrageous. Even if you wanna compare MGS to say, Splinter Cell or Assassin's Creed, there's certainly gonna be people out there who like this or that better. Everyone's entitled to their opinion, and there's no reason to condescend so drastically to people who don't subscribe to your school of thought.

[Peanut]

I was just a little frustrated how everyone treated me as a viral marketer when I was just showing some love, something that gets done to that other game all the time without a backlash.

It's done genuinely, and without being a condescending prick, too. You made a post that basically read like a fact sheet straight out of some sleaze bag PR company. Then you go onto to basically insult everyone who doesn't agree with you.

You're an idiot.

[Mecha Cow]

I've seen people going far beyond that for that Super Smash Mario Brothers Brawl game while this is objectively better and more fun.
Do you know what 'objective' means? Furthermore, the game hasn't even been released yet. I love MGS, but you need to shut the f*ck up.

[Barkworm]

I can't believe I missed this conversation! EPIC!

Damn you, university!!!

[愛]

I missed this conversation, too! Dammit! :cry:

[Ecto Jedi]

Ok, guys. I just read that Hideo Kojima is embarrassed and afraid that people will hate him and call him a liar because he couldn't implement many of the things he was showing and talking about when he first presented MGS4. :cry: Everyone should support this game to show that he is still loved, that he's the best game designer of this time, because it's already certain to be the best game of 2008, and MGS is a series that every real gamer enjoys. 8)

Need convincing? :-?

Sound-wise, it is said to be the most impressive game on the market. Everything uses lossless HD audio, so for the audiophiles with high-end soundsystems, the game ought to be heaven.

Don't be scared off by screenshots. There might a plethora of games released already that surpass it visually, but MGS4 has something that something timeless; Style. The game has a sexy colorfilter that makes every location feel unique and bursting with atmosphere. There are many astonishing little touches everywhere that make the game look simply cool. (The Metal Gears bleed for example)

The gameplay looks nothing short of stunning either. The 4th entry is supposedly more action-oriented than all the previous installments combined! They designed the game as a shooter and built the stealth elements in from there, in contrast with how the other games were made. As you can see, you can play the game in two completely different ways, assuring replayability!

Last but not least, the story. If you've played a MGS game before, you will know what to expect. Hideo Kojima is Tom Clancy and M. Night Shyamalan rolled into one person. There is very little known about the story so far (other than that Snake will lose), but it will be automatically amazing. Kojima-san already confirmed there would be many plottwists that no one would have even dared to dream of. Even if you haven't played all the previous games, the game has a cool feature that shows you recaps of older plot elements at the press of a button in the middle of cutscenes. Speaking of cutscenes, it's also been comfirmed that, even without the flashback recaps, cutscenes frequently lasted over 30 minutes in length! :D

The game is a Playstation 3 exclusive. This game simply can't be done on any other platform. The game makes use of rumble, the sixaxis' unique motion controls and the vast size of Bluray discs.

Excited yet? It's hard not to be when there are only positive things to say about a game this great. I've got my LE copy preordered, what about you?

He reminds me of a younger, more naive me. Before I met Peanut.

[Peanut]

He reminds me of a younger, more naive me. Before I met Peanut.

LOL! Reply of the year fo sho! wooooo

[poiuytre]

I feel like I've been made a fool of. :ohwell: It turns out MGS4 runs at 665p at 30FPS. I'm so ticked off by this. I traded my 720p HD in for a 1080p one because I wanted to experience the game in its true glory. BUT NOW THE GAME DOESNT EVEN RUN AT A HD RESOLUTION AND AT A MEDIOCRE FRAMERATE!! :x I really wish I wasn't taken in by the PR lies so I could have spent the extra money I invested on the new TV on something else. I'm getting so darn sick of all the videogame industry. They show screenshots that look nothing like the final game, they lie in official statements, they do everything to make you lose your warranty when your console breaks, tons of cool games still don't get released outside of japan or take forever to come stateside, non-games are dominating the sales charts,...

Even worse is that I'm going to have to face my friend who I made fun of because Halo 3 ran at a sub-HD resolution as well. We often had discussions on which next-gen console was the best and all I had to do was point to MGS4 and feel like I had won. What's the next big j-exclusive for the system? FF13? That's still so far away. :( He's going to make me eat so much crow. I am so angry and embarrassed at the same time. I just want to crawl back into bed and not wake up for a whole year.

[Dr. Doom]

I guess the best thing you can do is admit you're wrong and avoid being so boastful about these things in the future so it doesn't come back and bite you in the ass.

[AquaParade]

I guess the best thing you can do is admit you're wrong and avoid being so boastful about these things in the future so it doesn't come back and bite you in the ass.

That was refreshing to read.

[Peanut]

Even worse is that I'm going to have to face my friend who I made fun of because Halo 3 ran at a sub-HD resolution as well. We often had discussions on which next-gen console was the best and all I had to do was point to MGS4 and feel like I had won.

How old are you? 10? Grow up.

And Jesus Christ, talk about overreacting. If it's anything like Halo 3, it's going to be running two frame buffers, anyways. It's going to improve performance of the game, while also allowing the HDR to run a lot better. What the hell do you want? Slightly more crisp lines, or for the game to chug like a piece of sh*t? If MGS4 or Halo 3 were to run in full 1080p resolution, they couldn't look the way they do, or contain as many mind blowing effects and on-screen action as they do. Learn some facts.

People like you are the absolute f*cking BANE of this industry.

[Ra]

Even worse is that I'm going to have to face my friend who I made fun of because Halo 3 ran at a sub-HD resolution as well. We often had discussions on which next-gen console was the best and all I had to do was point to MGS4 and feel like I had won. What's the next big j-exclusive for the system? FF13? That's still so far away. :( He's going to make me eat so much crow. I am so angry and embarrassed at the same time. I just want to crawl back into bed and not wake up for a whole year.
Wow, I've sure missed out on a lot.

Peanut's right. You are acting like a child. I may be a "casual gamer" and you may be talking on another level than I am, but if you are going to make fun of a friend because of Halo 3 running at a different resolution...well...you need to grow up. Games are games. They are ENTERTAINMENT. A part of our lives to take us away from this cold, painful place known as reality.

Also, thinking you'll "win" a conversation by saying MGS4 is the best game of all time is...well, sad. There are many other games out there that can rival it, and possibly blow it out of the water. Stop acting so pathetic, brush it off, and move on with your life.

...or just do what Doom said, which I only just saw. It's pretty sound advice.

[poiuytre]

I've calmed down a little now. I'll try to keep Dr. Doom's advice in mind, in spite of how obvious it's supposed to be (so much harder in practice :ohwell:). I know the boasting was my own fault, but my main issue is the fact that they've been releasing screenshots and trailers that do not represent the game accurately. They've been decieving the public which in turn caused me to waste money on a new television set.

What the hell do you want? Slightly more crisp lines, or for the game to chug like a piece of sh*t? If MGS4 or Halo 3 were to run in full 1080p resolution, they couldn't look the way they do, or contain as many mind blowing effects and on-screen action as they do. Learn some facts.

People like you are the absolute f*cking BANE of this industry.
My point<----------------------------------->Yours
Yes, I do prefer a lower resolution with lots of effects over a high resolution with low effects. HOWEVER when a game is claimed to have a high resolution AND the effects, it is only normal that people raise their expectations. The BANE of the industry is the misrepresentation of companies' own products and the people that even try to defend it.

[Peanut]

You're acting like the game won't still look spectacular. Seriously, dude. Sad. As a person who's owned an HDTV for years now, the actual visual difference between a 720p game and a 1080p game is nothing mind blowing, or even close to being a big deal.

And no, the bane of the industry are the childish little fanboys who "make fun" of other games and companies to "win" arguments. But I guess we shouldn't ask for much more from someone with sh*tty Sonic fan-art as their avatar.

[Spitfire]

I can back Peanut up on this one here. I've had an HDTV for awhile now and I worked at Best Buy where we ran games in 1080 all the time on huge 60 inch plasmas. The difference isn't very noticeable. Honestly I prefer 720 anyways it looks better in a smaller room setting. LCD is also my preferred TV. Plasma only looks good from a distance, up close it isn't as mind blowing.

[R-iZZy]

To be honest, I could give a sh*t less about what resolution an HD game best runs at. I've always been about gameplay more than graphics. I don't care if this game was in last gen graphics; so long as the gameplay and the story are top-notch, then that's all I could really ask for. The fact that it's even in HD to begin with is just a plus, regardless of the framerate (which is still decent enough to enjoy the game) or resolution it runs at.

[Ra]

*nods* That's exactly how I feel about it all. I mean, if Minesweeper was remade in HD format, it wouldn't exactly make it better than the original.

[Ninjinister]

I like my analog TVs....

[ThirdMarioBro]

I like both. Old games look good on SD, new games look good on HD.

BTW, GTA pulled a 10 from IGN. I don't put much faith in their integrity since they paid out the wazoo to get first dibs on the review, but regardless--the game looks freaking amazing.

[Mecha Cow]

IGN is pathetic. I stopped reading after 'Oscar-worthy drama' and 'GTA4 is the best game since Ocarina of Time'. Also, why the hell does a video game review need to be seven f*cking pages long? That's just bad writing.

That being said, the game does look cool.

[poiuytre]

I'm confused. Why can't GTA4 be the best game since Ocarina of Time according to them? I've never been into GTA games before, but this one does look really cool. IGN's integrity is questionable at times but all the previews and user-reviews are extremely positive as well so far. I'll certainly check it when I get my console back.

And no, the bane of the industry are the childish little fanboys who "make fun" of other games and companies to "win" arguments. But I guess we shouldn't ask for much more from someone with sh*tty Sonic fan-art as their avatar.
Irony :lol:

[Peanut]

You continue to prove that you really don't know what the f*ck you're talking about.

And yeah, I read the entire IGN review, it and just comes off so poorly written. Then again, Hilary Goldstein has never been very talented. And the comparison to a 10-year-old game is completely ridiculous.

[R-iZZy]

I usually agree with IGN, but giving any GTA game a 10 is just beyond my comprehension. It's the same formula: run, gun, drive, take on missions. Usually, there's a new feature here or there and an improvement in graphics. I expected GTA IV to go by the same formula. But if IGN is giving this game a 10, there's better be some sh*t in that game that's never been introduced in any game before. I already knew that review was more full of sh*t than a colostomy bag when it said the story was "Oscar worthy". A GTA game with an "Oscar-worthy" story? GTFOH! The fact that this game was even put in the same light as Ocarina of Time was the final straw.

I still anticipate the game, but if I were to say this game wasn't overrated or overhyped, I'd be lying my ass off. I do not expect this game to be a 10, I do not expect it to have an "Oscar-worthy" story (MGS4 would get that more than this game, guaranteed) and I sure as hell don't expect it to have the aura that Ocarina of Time had.

I usually trust IGN, but I know I don't even need to put their theory to the test to know that it's dead f*cking wrong.

[Barkworm]

I don't like GTA but there's something about the new one that has me really interested.

[raphael_is_cool]

A GTA game with an "Oscar-worthy" story? GTFOH! The fact that this game was even put in the same light as Ocarina of Time was the final straw.

I still anticipate the game, but if I were to say this game wasn't overrated or overhyped, I'd be lying my ass off. I do not expect this game to be a 10, I do not expect it to have an "Oscar-worthy" story (MGS4 would get that more than this game, guaranteed) and I sure as hell don't expect it to have the aura that Ocarina of Time had.

Dude, Juno won an Oscar for best original screenplay...I think the floodgates are wide open. Also, MGS games have messy convoluted stories.

And the fact that you say GTA IV is the same thing again and then mention a Zelda game just baffles me. I don't know what you mean by 'aura'. If you mean 'atmosphere' then I think GTA IV will have it in oodles as do games like Bioshock. But a Zelda game? Shee-iiiiit!

[Peanut]

Dude, Juno won an Oscar for best original screenplay...I think the floodgates are wide open. Also, MGS games have messy convoluted stories.

And the fact that you say GTA IV is the same thing again and then mention a Zelda game just baffles me. I don't know what you mean by 'aura'. If you mean 'atmosphere' then I think GTA IV will have it in oodles as do games like Bioshock. But a Zelda game? Shee-iiiiit!

100% agree with this entire post.

*stamp of approval*

[Barkworm]

BTW Peanut, how did you like "Chains of Olympus"? I thought that it was a little underwhelming (also too short and too easy on Spartan mode) but I enjoyed it quite a lot. The gauntlet of Zeus was pretty sweet, too.

[AquaParade]

How old are you? 10? Grow up.

And Jesus Christ, talk about overreacting. If it's anything like Halo 3, it's going to be running two frame buffers, anyways. It's going to improve performance of the game, while also allowing the HDR to run a lot better. What the hell do you want? Slightly more crisp lines, or for the game to chug like a piece of sh*t? If MGS4 or Halo 3 were to run in full 1080p resolution, they couldn't look the way they do, or contain as many mind blowing effects and on-screen action as they do. Learn some facts.

People like you are the absolute f*cking BANE of this industry.

...Flame away. I won't be back in here lol.

[Dr. Doom]

Dude, Juno won an Oscar for best original screenplay...I think the floodgates are wide open.

What does that have to do with anything?

[R-iZZy]

Dude, Juno won an Oscar for best original screenplay...I think the floodgates are wide open. Also, MGS games have messy convoluted stories.
That's a matter of preference, but even with a "messy" and "convoluted" story (which I don't even remotely agree with), Metal Gear Solid games still surpass GTA games story-wise, which was the point I was making anyway.

And the fact that you say GTA IV is the same thing again and then mention a Zelda game just baffles me. I don't know what you mean by 'aura'. If you mean 'atmosphere' then I think GTA IV will have it in oodles as do games like Bioshock. But a Zelda game? Shee-iiiiit!
Yes, because I said any random Zelda game, right? No! I said specifically Ocarina of Time, which was not like any other game before it. This is why I didn't mention Majora's Mask, Wind Waker or Twilight Princess. And by aura, I mean that after you finish playing this game, you should have an experience from it that should make it feel like you've never had that before. That's not something I expect from a game that's basically re-hashing a formula and adding more perks to it.

[Peanut]

BTW Peanut, how did you like "Chains of Olympus"? I thought that it was a little underwhelming (also too short and too easy on Spartan mode) but I enjoyed it quite a lot. The gauntlet of Zeus was pretty sweet, too.

I pretty much agree with what you said. Really fun, but too easy and too short. The only thing I didn't like is that by the time you get the Gauntlet of Zeus, you're pretty much destroying every enemy you face, and since it's stronger than the regular old swords, you stop using them, even though the gauntlet isn't as fun to use.

...Flame away. I won't be back in here lol.

Because you're a pussy? Yeah. I don't overreact, that's just the way I type. Go ahead and ask people I talk to off the forums, they'll tell you just how much I "care" about most things in life.


That's a matter of preference, but even with a "messy" and "convoluted" story (which I don't even remotely agree with)

Dude, pretty much popular opinion on that one. The story is a convoluted mess. Even the biggest MGS fanboys will admit that, but that doesn't mean it isn't good. I'm going to agree that it's better than any GTA story, though. Considering I don't remember dick all about any of the GTA stories, games I've actually beaten, and I remember a bunch of stuff from the times I've played the MGS games, games I haven't beaten. I think that says something.

[raphael_is_cool]

Yes, because I said any random Zelda game, right? No! I said specifically Ocarina of Time, which was not like any other game before it. This is why I didn't mention Majora's Mask, Wind Waker or Twilight Princess. And by aura, I mean that after you finish playing this game, you should have an experience from it that should make it feel like you've never had that before. That's not something I expect from a game that's basically re-hashing a formula and adding more perks to it.

I couldn't resist the dig at Juno. Sorry. :P

Sorry, this is long but I hope I've made some interesting points or given you food for thought at least:

I would agree with you on this 'aura' around Zelda but only because it was the first 3D iteration I played. Nothing else really stood out beyond that. If I'd played previous versions I'm sure I'd recognise that I was doing the same things again: going through dungeons, solving puzzles, rescuing Zelda from Ganondorf. The closest comparison would be the jump from the top-down GTA into 3D GTA. But in a GTA game I always had a reason to do a mission, a drive to keep playing, instead of just 'rescue the princess/beat big bad guy'. I came away feeling I'd achieved something by seeing the story to its end.

Now, I couldn't say a GTA game has a better story than an MGS game (MGS1 particularly) but that is more to do with game design. GTA is free-roaming, the missions are spread out; whereas MGS1 was a straight-ahead plotline with only one possible variation. Not to mention that GTA games borrow heavily from established film tropes or actual films (the ending to Vice City anyone?) But in the GTA universe there have been some brilliant characters, some very memorable moments and some fantastic writing. The only reason you remember Zelda characters is because they're the same in every game.

Now taking into account your point is that GTA IV won't have that new and special 'aura' around it I'd be willing to disagree. OoT was just a 3D version of any Zelda game with a few new tricks, as the series continues to be. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying this is a bad thing and I'm not trying to start a fight. Fact is: people love Zelda. Story isn't always important to a game but it is a big part of making a game memorable. You only have to look at fans of FFFVII, Chrono Trigger, Deus Ex or Bioshock (to name just a few) to see that.

The way I see it is that generally different elements of a game appeal to creating certain memories. If you're playing single-player then the story becomes very important because that is what's needed to draw you in, to keep you playing. An RPG with a crappy story very quickly gets dropped as might an FPS which becomes monotonous. A good FPS usually seems to only stand out if it has a good story. While playing co-op campaign on Halo 2, I didn't really take much note of the story because the amazing experience was more to do with playing with a friend. I'm sure Peanut could attest to many fun experiences with Halo 3's online and offline multiplayer. I would say with OoT it was more the novelty factor than anything that made it memorable since you did not sing the praises of following games as nothing new really came of them. I would also factor in the 'shared experience' as in the event of a game. Much like a film that 'everyone has to see' you remember it because that's what everyone talked about and I think OoT came in a time when there wasn't anything else like it on N64. My examples are more recent Final Fantasy games; looking back, I didn't really enjoy them but I was playing because all my friends were.

Round off my main point is that GTA IV runs on a completely new engine, the experience of exploring a living, breathing city has been vastly improved and it sounds like Rockstar have worked hard to keep the story tighter, more plausible (small case in point: they kept clothing options limited to 'suitable' items) and thus more dramatic. Throw in the multiplayer as well and I think it's a big enough leap to guarantee that everyone will have some sort of memorable experience and come away with a glowing 'aura'.

Feel free to disagree if you wish, I just figured I'd make my point clearer.

[Mecha Cow]

Look, I'm the first to admit the last couple of Zeldas were sub-par but to say the series hasn't had memorable moments or characters just isn't true.

In any case, GTA has nothing to do with Zelda and no one is doubting that the game itself will be great; it's IGN's clearly bloated and ingenuine review that people are commenting on. The game comes out tomorrow, let's just wait until we can make up our minds, shall we?

[Peanut]

In any case, GTA has nothing to do with Zelda and no one is doubting that the game itself will be great; it's IGN's clearly bloated and ingenuine review that people are commenting on.

Exactly. This was about IGN's ridiculous review, not about the games GTA was compared to in it.

I'll be picking up my copy of GTAIV (for 360) in a few short hours, so I'll give those of you holding off some initial impressions.

[Mr. Snackpants]

What does that have to do with anything?

He needed to get one last jab in about that movie before it's too late.

[Dr. Doom]

10 from Gamestop. Now I'm slightly disgusted.

[Mecha Cow]

F*cking bullsh*t. Alright, so either GTA4 really is the greatest thing since sliced bread, or Rockstar has been handing out some serious cash and these reviewers are shamelessly grabbing it. Again, I'm sure the game rocks, but this sh*t is seriously grinding my gears.

[AquaParade]

Because you're a pussy? Yeah. I don't overreact, that's just the way I type. Go ahead and ask people I talk to off the forums, they'll tell you just how much I "care" about most things in life.





Yes, I came back...and yes...because I'm a pussy:roll:

I don't mean to even get on you're case, but you really drag the place down when you have to spew out things like calling people idiots, pussies, and dumbasses...it's just uncalled for. Were all here for the same reason. We like tmnt. We don't need insults. It has nothing to do with how much you uhh..."care about most things in life" It has to do with the people around you, so please, have some courtesy.


So who here actually has GTA4? I wasn't really following this game, expecting it be just an updated San Andreas, but I was excited to learn just the other day about the free roam online co-op...that's gotta be fun. Also, I'm assuming that the stat system from San Andreas is gone? That's a shame if true.

[Peanut]

Were all here for the same reason. We like tmnt.

Incorrect assessment.

And I only rag on people who deserve the strife.

[AquaParade]

Alright, alright...We all like message boards...
And even if someone is a "pussy", they might be a pussy who was molested by their aunt and has no legs(No, not me), so just something to think about.

[R-iZZy]

Dude, pretty much popular opinion on that one. The story is a convoluted mess. Even the biggest MGS fanboys will admit that, but that doesn't mean it isn't good. I'm going to agree that it's better than any GTA story, though. Considering I don't remember dick all about any of the GTA stories, games I've actually beaten, and I remember a bunch of stuff from the times I've played the MGS games, games I haven't beaten. I think that says something.
Now that I think about it, the story does seem to have its fair share of messes. Triple agents, transformations through arm transfusions, the entire MGS2 premise; I can see how things can be seen as a big mix-up. But it's like you said, messy stories don't make for bad ones, just questionable yet entertaining ones.

But I think you got my point of the post. This wasn't supposed to be some MGS story vs. GTA story thing, it was mainly just me critiquing the ridiculousness of a reviewer saying that the game's story was "Oscar-worthy", when you could cite games that had a deeper plotline before GTAIV, yet was never complimented on "Oscar-worthy" writing. I will take into account though that I'm speaking prematurely, considering I don't even know the story of GTAIV.

I couldn't resist the dig at Juno. Sorry. :P

Sorry, this is long but I hope I've made some interesting points or given you food for thought at least:

I would agree with you on this 'aura' around Zelda but only because it was the first 3D iteration I played. Nothing else really stood out beyond that. If I'd played previous versions I'm sure I'd recognise that I was doing the same things again: going through dungeons, solving puzzles, rescuing Zelda from Ganondorf. The closest comparison would be the jump from the top-down GTA into 3D GTA. But in a GTA game I always had a reason to do a mission, a drive to keep playing, instead of just 'rescue the princess/beat big bad guy'. I came away feeling I'd achieved something by seeing the story to its end.
So that's all OoT was to you? You only noticed the puzzle-solving and the princess rescuing? No, let's not delve into the concepts of time travel, intricate plotting of the game's story, new weapons and twists, and the fact that with a 3D environment, the dungeons included a higher level of interactivity with Link. You're clearly overlooking some of the finer qualities in the franchise's transition into 2D while not really giving me any endearing qualities of GTA's transition besides this drive to idly complete missions.

Now, I couldn't say a GTA game has a better story than an MGS game (MGS1 particularly) but that is more to do with game design. GTA is free-roaming, the missions are spread out; whereas MGS1 was a straight-ahead plotline with only one possible variation. Not to mention that GTA games borrow heavily from established film tropes or actual films (the ending to Vice City anyone?) But in the GTA universe there have been some brilliant characters, some very memorable moments and some fantastic writing. The only reason you remember Zelda characters is because they're the same in every game.
The game's design was what contributed to Rockstar's lack in involvement with a memorable story? That seems ridiculous, considering No More Heroes had a fairly decent story while maintaining a free-roaming world. It's possible to have a great story while making your game a free-roamer, and the GTA games have always been pretty good at best when it came to stories. Now perhaps GTAIV has followed a new line, I dunno, but I've seen GTA game after GTA game give you a decent story while focusing more on what you can do in a free-roaming world. They haven't really tried finding that balance, so once again, I'm finding it hard to believe that this game's story is "Oscar-worthy", which was my point to begin with. You going off about Zelda was totally irrelevant to what I was talking about. And if you honestly believe that I remember Zelda characters only through them being the same, you're f*cking kidding yourself.

Now taking into account your point is that GTA IV won't have that new and special 'aura' around it I'd be willing to disagree. OoT was just a 3D version of any Zelda game with a few new tricks, as the series continues to be. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying this is a bad thing and I'm not trying to start a fight. Fact is: people love Zelda. Story isn't always important to a game but it is a big part of making a game memorable. You only have to look at fans of FFFVII, Chrono Trigger, Deus Ex or Bioshock (to name just a few) to see that.
Dude, you're sitting here telling me that the story isn't as important, but is a key element in making a game memorable. This was the "aura" I was speaking of; getting a memorable experience through a game that gave you something no other game did. OoT did more than just transition the franchise from 2D to 3D, it told a tale that basically started a legend while also further revealing the mysteries of this famous land we've known for years. I believe GTAIV will definitely have the high replay value that a lot of the GTA games have, but that'll last until the next GTA game comes. I don't feel OoT can be replaced by any of its successors, and a lot will tend to agree. I can almost guarantee that GTAIV will be replaced by a successor, it's only a matter of time.

The way I see it is that generally different elements of a game appeal to creating certain memories. If you're playing single-player then the story becomes very important because that is what's needed to draw you in, to keep you playing. An RPG with a crappy story very quickly gets dropped as might an FPS which becomes monotonous. A good FPS usually seems to only stand out if it has a good story. While playing co-op campaign on Halo 2, I didn't really take much note of the story because the amazing experience was more to do with playing with a friend. I'm sure Peanut could attest to many fun experiences with Halo 3's online and offline multiplayer. I would say with OoT it was more the novelty factor than anything that made it memorable since you did not sing the praises of following games as nothing new really came of them. I would also factor in the 'shared experience' as in the event of a game. Much like a film that 'everyone has to see' you remember it because that's what everyone talked about and I think OoT came in a time when there wasn't anything else like it on N64. My examples are more recent Final Fantasy games; looking back, I didn't really enjoy them but I was playing because all my friends were.
So what you're telling me is that I only enjoyed the game because others did? Basically, you're telling me that I couldn't enjoy the game on my own accord. If the game wasn't critically acclaimed, I wouldn't enjoy it as much as I do now. I don't necessarily need the opinions of others to sway my way of thinking, I can formulate my own perceptions just fine. For the most part, I do agree with this section; I'm more of a single-person gamer, so I do tend to enjoy great stories with my game (hence why I prefer games like Zelda, Okami, Resident Evil, etc.)

Round off my main point is that GTA IV runs on a completely new engine, the experience of exploring a living, breathing city has been vastly improved and it sounds like Rockstar have worked hard to keep the story tighter, more plausible (small case in point: they kept clothing options limited to 'suitable' items) and thus more dramatic. Throw in the multiplayer as well and I think it's a big enough leap to guarantee that everyone will have some sort of memorable experience and come away with a glowing 'aura'.

Feel free to disagree if you wish, I just figured I'd make my point clearer.
To each his own. I hope my post cleared up my views a bit. I simply just wanted to express my doubt for this game deserving a 10. I know the game will be fun (so many new additions I'm happy about: taking cover, better acting, breaking into cars and hotwiring them, etc.), but I don't confuse that with the game being groundbreaking, which is something I expect from games being rated a 10. But who knows? Time will tell. The only way to find out is for me to try the game myself.

[raphael_is_cool]

I guess it's a case of each to his own. You seem to misunderstand that a lot of what I said was not directed at you, I was simply giving my thoughts on a whole topic. Your reply seems a little too aggressive. I was also trying to quantify this vague 'aura' concept.

The difference is that you can see all these great things in Zelda, although I can't help feeling you've blown right out of proportion, which I just don't care for. Link, Ganon and all that are achetypes, they never really spoke to me as fully-formed characters and I never got a sense of Hyrule as a plausible fictional world. But I'm not saying that hampers the game experience for everyone. Different strokes for different folks.

Getting back into GTA IV now reminds of that special touch previous games in the series had. Having played the game I can see how a reviewer might say the story, or I believe it was actually said "the performances" which are 'Oscar-worthy'. You seem to assume that anyone who says it means it exclusively, which seems foolish. You could even consider it hyperbole in order to make a point that the story is much more focused and hard-hitting in this incarnation (which it is).

I was also not saying I only enjoyed OoT because my friends did; nor that you did either. I was just thinking outloud really. I was covering the bases on what a 'memorable experience' is. And of course a story isn't always important in a game because not every genre lends itself well to having a story. Driving games don't need one, Unreal Tournament never needed one. Everyone loves Super Mario Galaxy and that's no great story. I think I already explained this when talking about multiplayer experiences as well.

What you also need to understand is that perhaps you're looking at the games differently to reviewers. They may not care so much about what's new or innovative, especially when looking at GTA, since if something's not broken why fix it? Most things from previous GTA games have been massively improved and there's a much more convincing, mature story to boot as well as a whole multiplayer element. I feel a 10 score is more to do with refining elements to their fullest and giving a wholly satisfying experience. I'm not saying I necessarily agree with a 10 (although I am not far enough to judge the game in its entirety) but if OoT got one then I'm pretty sure GTA IV would deserve one. Both improved on previous versions in different ways (although neither were really 'perfect').

Also, I think that Rockstar nailed it with an online element to their game because that is where the replayability is. Your point about being replaced by a successor is invalid though, because we both know all Zelda fans of course go out and buy the next game, I don't think they keep playing the same one over and over. If you mean memory-wise then also I disagree because other GTA games are also irreplaceable. I'd sooner go back to a previous GTA game as well.

But yeah, point is: each to his own. I hope you don't feel offended or anything; I'm not attacking you so please don't take things so personally.

[Peanut]

I beat Metal Gear Solid tonight and I'm about halfway through MGS2 at the moment. Everyone can now be surprised.

[Ra]

I'm just amazed the Sony Thread is alive again.

[Mecha Cow]

Are you enjoying it more than you did before?

[Peanut]

Are you enjoying it more than you did before?

Yeah. The thing is, I had never actually attempted to play through MGS. I had tried it at a friends house a couple times, but the story was a mystery to me. When I sat down to play MGS2 all those years ago, the entire thing made zero sense to me. And without being able to grasp certain points of the story, MGS2 is a cluster f*ck of nonsense; although the same can be said when you understand it, too.

Anyways, after playing through the entirety of MGS, which surprisingly does hold up fairly well for a PS1 game, the story of MGS2 made more sense to me, and the game was able to get it's hooks in a lot more firmly than it did before.

So yeah, new fan of the Metal Gear franchise is me.

[Mecha Cow]

Welcome to the dark side, buddy.

[Barkworm]

*head asplodes*

[Ecto Jedi]

I...Can't...Believe it.

[R-iZZy]

If only I had an RPG to launch in excitement for Peanut. Of course, that's a pretty stupid way to express my happiness on that one.

Oh boy! Have you actually played MGS3 yet?

Oh, and I do have to say that my doubts for GTA IV's proclaimed greatness have died down a bit after playing the game. The attention to detail on that game is just f***ing incredible. I didn't expect Rockstar to improve the franchise in that huge of a scale. I would still consider Ocarina of Time the better game, but I'll be damned if I sit here and say the game just slightly upgraded some basic sh*t from the previous games.

[Peanut]

Just beat MGS2! I can't believe I've beaten two Metal Gear games in a matter of days, and haven't touched GTAIV since I started. Weird.

[ThirdMarioBro]

Hell, I can't believe Smash Bros. Brawl and Mario Kart Wii have been sitting on my shelf since GTAIV came out. Rockstar made a new drug.

[Mecha Cow]

Have fun with MGS3, it's even better than the first two.

[Dr. Doom]

It's my favorite in the series.

[Peanut]

I'm enjoying MGS3 a TON! I love so many aspects of it, and the story is great thus far. Makes more sense than MGS2 did, at any rate.

[Ecto Jedi]

Glad to hear that.

[Barkworm]

I'm enjoying MGS3 a TON! I love so many aspects of it, and the story is great thus far. Makes more sense than MGS2 did, at any rate.
It's a relatively simple story in comparison. Which is a very good thing!

[ThirdMarioBro]

I'm ordering a sleeping bag and some canned foods in preperation of the apocalypse. Peanut is a MGS fan. The world is about to end.

[Mecha Cow]

Seeing Peanut with a Solid Snake avatar is so surreal...and beautiful.

[Peanut]

I just got through the mountains after defeating The End. That was a pretty annoying boss battle, but at least I beat the f*cker.

Either way, I figure I should stop playing Metal Gear, because according to Ai I'm a hypocrite for liking it. I guess only certain people can enjoy it!

[愛]

I didn't say that! I was just saying that you constantly made fun of it, and yet now you're loving it! TRAITOR! GO BACK TO YOUR STRIP MALLS...WHERE VALUES ARE KING!

[GK Punk]

GO BACK TO YOUR STRIP MALLS...WHERE VALUES ARE KING!

That line never gets old :lol:

[R-iZZy]

Haha. It's such a beautiful thing to see Peanut on the dark side now... except he traded his lightsaber for CQC.

*cracks a Sith's neck*

[Barkworm]

I just got through the mountains after defeating The End. That was a pretty annoying boss battle, but at least I beat the f*cker.
A bit annoying indeed but wasn't it also really awesome? When I fought him he snuck up on me at one point which was just incredibly cool.

[Ecto Jedi]

Apparently if you turn off your console when you reach the end and change the date on your PS2 like a month ahead, once you boot up again The End will have died of old age.

It's all in the details, baby. That's why I enjoy the Metal Gear series.

[Jed]

Yeah and you have a codec conversation with Major about how Snake let The End down by not fighting him. (just in case people don't want it ruined and wanna try it themselves)