The CONFIRMED New Season

[Spitfire]

Justice League had lotsa adult humor, and that show ended only recently. I remember The Flash getting accused of watching porn and whatnot. :lol:

That's a very good point, DC always got away with stuff like that though. It seems like networks always turned their heads on DC shows and let them do what they want. Hence why their so good right? Man I miss Batman TAS.

[ToTheNines]

I can recall a really good one from Return New York Part One. It was half of Raphael's opening dialogue at the beginning. "They say the difference between men and boys is the size of their toys. If that's the case, I'd say I just became a man. Or at least an adult mutant ninja turtle."

I personally don't see this as adult humor, it's pretty clean cut.

[gobo]

I didn't want to say it. The point that defines adult humor is being undeniably about sexual relations. Other than Raph saying he just became a man, there was nothing suggestive about it.

[The Shelf]

I'm, not speaking on how good the series is I'm speaking on the level of violence and adult humor allowed into the series.

I don't remember much adult humor in old cartoons (at least no more than what we see now in cartoons) and the level of violence is about the same if not higher now than before. Spider-man rarely, if ever, threw a punch in the 90's cartoon. The fighting in the original TMNT cartoon while cool at the time is rather laughable if you watch it now. Avatar, Naruto, 2k3 TMNT, and several others are all about as violent as any cartoon I can think of from the 80's and 90's.

I just can't believe that cartoons these days are more dumbed down than cartoons back then.

[ZariusTwo]

Exactly. People making that claim either

1. Dont look hard enough, nor want to
2. Are biased to the shows THEY used to watch and think they establish the standard for shows that modern audiences watch, when there's a 50% chance there watching similar shows alongside lighter shows.

The fighting in the original TMNT cartoon while cool at the time is rather laughable if you watch it now.n.

Except the original TMNT isnt ABOUT the fighting, and will elitists STOP using the "laughable if you watch it now" excuse? Others dont have that opinion

[Spitfire]

Avatar was canceled I seem to recall, and Naurto is heavily censored for US television, also I believe it's TV-14 meaning not for young kids.

[ZariusTwo]

Avatar was meant to be three seasons long, a trilogy. The producers werent stupid enough to assume a show THAT dark would be on for a long time.

[The Shelf]

Avatar was canceled I seem to recall, and Naurto is heavily censored for US television, also I believe it's TV-14 meaning not for young kids.

Um, Avatar canceled...? Check again. It's one of Nick's most successful cartoons right now. It's on winter break right now and should continue in January. At least, that's what I've heard. And the stuff that is being censored in Naruto sure as heck wasn't in cartoons in the 80's and 90's either. The censored version is TV-PG not TV-14 and manages to show some blood and violence, certainly no less than the good ole' cartoons of yester-year.

[Leonardo Mystic]

I didn't want to say it. The point that defines adult humor is being undeniably about sexual relations. Other than Raph saying he just became a man, there was nothing suggestive about it.

Uh, yeah, it is. How often do you hear a cartoon character refer to the size of boys and mens toys? It sounds pretty suggestive to me. Anyone else I've quoted it to sounds sexual to them. Or maybe I or them are not as jaded to it as some folks are.

[Spitfire]

You all know there's no way your going to win this argument with me because I think I'm right and I'm not bending. I've yet to see anything that has made me think otherwise yet, and when I do I'll admit I'm wrong. But let's just drop the subject cause this going back and fourth is getting nowhere.

Let's leave it at, some people see what I'm talking about, some don't. Is that cool?

[The Shelf]

You all know there's no way your going to win this argument with me because I think I'm right and I'm not bending. I've yet to see anything that has made me think otherwise yet, and when I do I'll admit I'm wrong. But let's just drop the subject cause this going back and fourth is getting nowhere.

Let's leave it at, some people see what I'm talking about, some don't. Is that cool?

Well, to be honest, you haven't given me any examples to prove me wrong either other than Batman TAS. I genuinely want to know what cartoons you're thinking of that are more violent and/or suggestive than cartoons today because I really can't think of any. Cartoons are no more or less dumbed down today than they were years ago.

But if we can't progress this conversation any more than we already have, then I'm willing to drop the subject.

[Spitfire]

Yeah I should have listed more shows, to be honest I don't remember the names of allot of them because I was pretty young, which now that I think of it could mean their less violent then I remember.

There was this one called "Mutant League" or something like that where they'd tear each other apart while playing sports. What I was really getting at was censorship is allot more hardcore now then it was back then. The ability to get away with more was there. Though I wish I could remember more show names. Now I'm kinda mad cause I have images of series but no names to tag onto them.

[Drtooth]

There was this one called "Mutant League" or something like that where they'd tear each other apart while playing sports. What I was really getting at was censorship is allot more hardcore now then it was back then. The ability to get away with more was there.

An addendum.

Mutant League was a syndicated show. Syndiaction doesn't have the same standards and practices that networks have. In fact, Fat Albert even got into some pretty heavy subjects once it was syndicated. Stuff like sex. There was even one I have on DVD, where they were looking at porno. They didn't show it, but just discussing it is amazing for a kids' show to do.

Just wanted to add that factor in.

[Masked Ninja]

Uh, yeah, it is. How often do you hear a cartoon character refer to the size of boys and mens toys? It sounds pretty suggestive to me. Anyone else I've quoted it to sounds sexual to them. Or maybe I or them are not as jaded to it as some folks are.I'm still not seeing it, sorry... but then again I'm not thinking about sex all the time so I don't always relate everything to it like some do. "Toy" makes me think of something plastic and shaped like a car or animal that you give to a four-year old to act on with his imagination... not something related to sex or its necessary equipment. Whenever anyone I know mentions something like that "boys and their toys" phrase, it's referring to the fact that men often appear to get the same pure glee out of their sports cars, power tools, and ATVs as 6-year-olds get out of their RC cars.

Which is exactly the context of Raph's quote in that episode. Forget the little RC cars or whatever that Don put together for them in their childhood... now THIS is a machine!

*ponders* Nevermind, I bet that sounds sexual to you too. Gah, I hate double entendres... a person can't just say what they mean anymore.


In the vein of old vs. new cartoon censorship, I don't see a whole lot of difference, for the most part. Sometimes the style of avoiding violence will shift a bit, and that could be what you're noticing. For example, Swat Kats was pretty tame as far as the hand-to-hand fighting went, but villains were shown to be dangerous by indiscriminately destroying skyscrapers. Not every Enforcer chopper or jet that exploded had the now-obligatory "parachuting pilot," though some episodes did. The implied death count was huge, and nevermind that the destroyed buildings would touch some post-9/11 nerves if they tried to pull that off today.

But I still would say it's no darker than most action shows right now... the overall tone is still light enough and every episode is a one-shot (that is, no tense "to be continued?!" show endings). I haven't seen most of the series in years, but I'll bet that even the '80s TMNT had some heavy subject matter in their otherwise light and funny show. And even though TMNT 2k3 is considered "dark," it's still mostly the same thing as Swat Kats... the sheer implied body count, but no blood. Only instead of blowing up skyscrapers, their devices are more of the "turtle pulls a thug into the shadows and you hear a sound suspiciously similar to a neck being wrenched." Though you get some awesome onscreen fight footage, but how many shows have done that? Quite a few, if not Swat Kats.

And Avatar canceled? Heh heh heh... that's like saying Harry Potter was canceled by the publisher, or that Lord of the Rings IV was scrapped due to lack of support. It was meant to be a three-season story from the getgo, but it's so popular that I'm sure pressure will be on the creators to consider starting a new arc after this one is finished. And that show is fantastic... dark and serious in some parts, but doesn't consider itself above goofy humor episodes. Honestly, any good show needs a balance. The ones that endured from "back then" had it, and the ones from this decade that will endure have it too.

And that's another thing... as time goes on, we only really remember the ones with that enduring quality. Radio stations that play '80s music won't play the ones that bombed. Stations that play new stuff play... new stuff. Some will become classics, some are terrible. Same thing with shows. The networks are awash with crappy cartoons, but I bet they were "back then" too. Thing is, in 10 years nobody will remember shows like Cyberchase or a good chunk of the Flash cartoons on Nick right now either. Just the ones that stood out, for good or ill.

Well, there's an all-over-the-place post if I ever saw one. My apologies, guys.

[gobo]

I'm still not seeing it, sorry. Whenever anyone I know mentions something like that phrase, it's referring to the fact that men often get the same pure glee out of their sports cars, power tools, and ATVs as 6-year-olds get out of their RC cars.
That's what I was getting at. Just because this is a lesser used adage, it sounds sinister to some, like it has a hidden meaning. But, if you try hard enough, you can take sexual meaning from anything. The closest 2K3 ever got to adult humor was when Quary turned human for the first time. But, to retain the innocense, they just played it off as an awkward moment.
Well, there's an all-over-the-place post if I ever saw one. My apologies, guys.
You have the mind of an artist. What did you expect? :P Don't worry though. We still think you're 'kick-awesome'. ;)

[Leonardo Mystic]

I'm still not seeing it, sorry... but then again I'm not thinking about sex all the time so I don't always relate everything to it like some do. "Toy" makes me think of something plastic and shaped like a car or animal that you give to a four-year old to act on with his imagination... not something related to sex or its necessary equipment. Whenever anyone I know mentions something like that "boys and their toys" phrase, it's referring to the fact that men often appear to get the same pure glee out of their sports cars, power tools, and ATVs as 6-year-olds get out of their RC cars.

Which is exactly the context of Raph's quote in that episode. Forget the little RC cars or whatever that Don put together for them in their childhood... now THIS is a machine!

*ponders* Nevermind, I bet that sounds sexual to you too. Gah, I hate double entendres... a person can't just say what they mean anymore.

So you're assuming that I'm thinking about sex all the time just because it happens to translate to me like that? Thanks. Thanks a lot. You've just insulted me. That was really uncalled for.

No, I do not think about sex 24/7, thank you very much. In fact, FYI, I hardly think about it at all. However, that doesn't mean I've not heard even the most innocent phrases can have a little underlying meaning there. The tone and delivery of that dialogue plays a part of it, and *gasp* some of it isn't sexual (shocking, isn't it?).

The RC cars, powertools, etc. would've popped to my virgin mind long before the other did, but it was Raph's tone and delivery of that dialogue that changed my translation of it. Besides, I've heard that phrase long before to describe more the sizes of that part of the anatomy, and less to real plastic toys.

The visual of the Foot Tech machine was supposed to help that image of ATVs and such, but like I said, it was tone and delivery that underlyingly translated it elsewhere. You can still agree or disagree, that's fine. It's how it is to me, but don't ever insult like me that. I've not lowered myself to such abrasive behavior.

[gobo]

That's not how I read her post. And, actually, those were my exact thoughts on the matter. Does that mean I think you're a perv too? If so, I've just lost respect for myself for being such a hypocrite... pot calling the kettle black and all. I just don't think either of us meant to be insulting. Forgive me? :cry:

[VaughnMichael]

pft most people think about sex allot, just some of us are more open about it. I took it that way also don't be such a prude.:P:lol:

[Leonardo Mystic]

That's not how I read her post. And, actually, those were my exact thoughts on the matter. Does that mean I think you're a perv too? If so, I've just lost respect for myself for being such a hypocrite... pot calling the kettle black and all. I just don't think either of us meant to be insulting. Forgive me? :cry:

I believe I took it as being insulting because of these two lines from her post I'm still not seeing it, sorry... but then again I'm not thinking about sex all the time so I don't always relate everything to it like some do. and Nevermind, I bet that sounds sexual to you too.

But yes, I can forgive you. It'd be nice for us just to all get along, and get our points across without hitting below the belt. Uh, no pun intended.

[gobo]

Oh. That's probably foot-in-mouth. I just didn't think anything of it (because I used to have it quite bad myself). But, now that she knows you aren't just stuffing words into her mouth, I guess she needs to make amends for her own mistake. Sorry for the confusion.

[Sage Ninja]

**sigh** more fights and disagreements start on this board more often from misunderstandings than anything :(

[Machias Banshee]

**sigh** more fights and disagreements start on this board more often from misunderstandings than anything :(

Agreed...Often times in the battle to prove who's right, everyone loses all over. Sometimes its just best to agree to disagree and move on.

[Splinter's Iroonna]

Agreed...Often times in the battle to prove who's right, everyone loses all over. Sometimes its just best to agree to disagree and move on.

I disagree.

*runs*

[gobo]

COWARD!
*shakes fist*

:P ^_^

[Machias Banshee]

*shoots a rotten mango at Sp's Iroona*

Trouble maker... :P ;)

*needs to get this back on topic before she gets attacked by off-topic ninjas*

Is there ANY concrete information about when this new season will air?

[Roseangelo]

Is there ANY concrete information about when this new season will air?

It'll start with 4Kids' new Fall programing in September.

[Fugitoid Jones]

Reruns of Fast Forward until Sept. yippee.

[Splinter's Iroonna]

COWARD!
*shakes fist*

:P ^_^



:D:D:D

Oh, and Fugitoid... Fast Forward reruns when they're not airing the Lost Season stuff...

[Scandia]

Reruns of Fast Forward until Sept. yippee.

Better not be that way. I want to see the 5th season aired on TV- and released on Region 1 DVD.

[Drtooth]

In the vein of old vs. new cartoon censorship, I don't see a whole lot of difference, for the most part. Sometimes the style of avoiding violence will shift a bit, and that could be what you're noticing. For example, Swat Kats was pretty tame as far as the hand-to-hand fighting went, but villains were shown to be dangerous by indiscriminately destroying skyscrapers. Not every Enforcer chopper or jet that exploded had the now-obligatory "parachuting pilot," though some episodes did. The implied death count was huge, and nevermind that the destroyed buildings would touch some post-9/11 nerves if they tried to pull that off today.

But I still would say it's no darker than most action shows right now... the overall tone is still light enough and every episode is a one-shot (that is, no tense "to be continued?!" show endings). I haven't seen most of the series in years, but I'll bet that even the '80s TMNT had some heavy subject matter in their otherwise light and funny show. And even though TMNT 2k3 is considered "dark," it's still mostly the same thing as Swat Kats... the sheer implied body count, but no blood. Only instead of blowing up skyscrapers, their devices are more of the "turtle pulls a thug into the shadows and you hear a sound suspiciously similar to a neck being wrenched." Though you get some awesome onscreen fight footage, but how many shows have done that? Quite a few, if not Swat Kats.

Well, I didn't see too many SWAT Kats episodes, or at least remember it that well. So I'll take your word there.

Censorship is an on again, off again thing, I think. Every so often when, let's say, Janet Jackson's grotesque old boob hangs out, or some dumpkoff somehow gets a gun (which I won't discuss) and decides his life is so terrible that he has to go around shooting everyone that has NOTHING to do with his crappy life, then the letters begin. I have to say, looking at what 4Kids did to most of their animes, I'm absolutely surprised they let half the stuff in. A lot of scenes had to be altered so people didn't die. They just somehow got injured slightly, but were suspiciously never seen again. Just like in real life.. :trolleye: Where as TMNT actually aknowledged death on an episodely basis. Didn't at the end of that dark future episode, everyone but Donatello from the past died? I mean, that is pretty Dark.

So I guess Laird or someone objected to the fact they'd have to shelter kids from reality ("No honey! Grampa didn't die of old age. he just magically disappeared, and you'll never see or speak to him again."). Too bad someone at Toei didn't feel the same way. Nami's mother being trapped in a dungeon, and miraculously not existing after that point. Kinda dumb.

[TerranigmaFreak]

Let me be the first to say that the Turtles visiting the Cyberworld in the next season can't be a bad idea if everyone is still too busy arguing about violence and old cartoons after reading that. If it was bad, everyone would just make peace and start attacking it like they did with FF.

[gobo]

Sho' 'nuff...

[Jester]

Sho' 'nuff...
Sho’Nuff: Am I the meanest?
Gang: Sho’Nuff!
Sho’Nuff: Am I the prettiest?
Gang: Sho’Nuff!
Sho’Nuff: Am I the baddest mo-fo, low-down, around this town?
Gang: Sho’Nuff!
Sho’Nuff: Well, who am I?
Gang: Sho’Nuff!
Sho’Nuff: Who am I?
Gang: Sho’Nuff!
Sho’Nuff: I can’t hear you!
Gang: Sho’Nuff!
Sho’Nuff: The Shogun of Harlem!

http://ganson.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/shonuff.jpg

[Drtooth]

Let me be the first to say that the Turtles visiting the Cyberworld in the next season can't be a bad idea if everyone is still too busy arguing about violence and old cartoons after reading that. If it was bad, everyone would just make peace and start attacking it like they did with FF.


I can't say I like the concept. it is pretty lame, I think. but as long as the turtles aren't over simplified, Mikey's playfullness being misconstrued as acting like a child, Raph's attitude being changed to make him - http://thumbs.ebaystatic.com/pict/2900841516668080_1.jpg and Splinter not going off on how he's gonna miss his stories (yes, playing off an old person stereotype is funny.... but only if you do it once or twice), I'm all for it.

[BAXTER STOCKMAN 19]

Personaly the only carttons that i am watching right now is Scoobydoo and TMNT. Now iam wacthing the new Scoobydoo series, Scioobydoo get a clue! Has anyone of you saw this show? So are they going to make the new season of tmnt a non-violent cartton like scoobydoo? I like violent cartoons, games, and movies. Will the new season be more "kid friendly than the 2K3 series??? This is something that i dont want to happen. I like the TMNT series as they are. The new season must have more violent than 2K3, not less.:)

[Drtooth]

Personaly the only carttons that i am watching right now is Scoobydoo and TMNT. Now iam wacthing the new Scoobydoo series, Scioobydoo get a clue! Has anyone of you saw this show? So are they going to make the new season of tmnt a non-violent cartton like scoobydoo? I like violent cartoons, games, and movies. Will the new season be more "kid friendly than the 2K3 series??? This is something that i dont want to happen. I like the TMNT series as they are. The new season must have more violent than 2K3, not less.:)

I think they stated it would be a little darker, and more in tone with the rest of 2k3. I can't vouche for that, but that's the rumor.

And I still think TMNT is far from being non-violent. Even with the complete lighten up of FF, there was still enough ninja kicks, nunchucks, and explosions. So nothing to worry about there.

[U2WaTCHer]

I see you guys talking about cyber world does that mean even thou they are going back to present there going to put them into that. Other then the snake picture guy is that all we got on the new season so far?

[CyberCubed]

From what we know the TMNT can travel and leave the cyber world at will, they're not stuck there or anything. Only Splinter is trapped there, which is why they go into it in the first place.

[U2WaTCHer]

oh man I hope this dont get dumb like cartoons used to when you get stuck in the video game eps. Can't get any dumber then the recent stuck in game ep in FF :P

[WEB4KIDZ]

I see you guys talking about cyber world does that mean even thou they are going back to present there going to put them into that. Other then the snake picture guy is that all we got on the new season so far?

There has also been 2 Tron-like "cyber-vechicles" posted in the blogs since then. I guess they will be using these in the cyber world. It will be intresting to see how they explain how the Turtles are able to travel back and forth and Spliner can not and have veiwers buy into that.

[Drtooth]

oh man I hope this dont get dumb like cartoons used to when you get stuck in the video game eps. Can't get any dumber then the recent stuck in game ep in FF :P

I'm just worried that at one point, the turtles have to fight The Hacker...narf.

[gobo]

There has also been 2 Tron-like "cyber-vechicles" posted in the blogs since then. I guess they will be using these in the cyber world. It will be intresting to see how they explain how the Turtles are able to travel back and forth and Spliner can not and have veiwers buy into that.
Splinter being decompiled and scattered throughout cyber-space is what I read.

[Scandia]

Well, we know nothing until it is officially confirmed in an official page. Who knows if the VA read a preliminary tentative idea and not a final script?

I am more concerned as to WHEN will they start showing the Lost Season.

[The Shelf]

It will be intresting to see how they explain how the Turtles are able to travel back and forth and Spliner can not and have veiwers buy into that.

Here's the way I understand it...

They all go back to the present via some time-traveling mechanism. The time-traveling doohickey works by breaking people down into electronic or light signals (which actually makes a great deal of sense considering teleportation works the same way in real life and time travel can be considered a type of teleportation). Viral probably goes back in time with them, and during the process she steals Splinter's data and scatters it through the internet (or more accurately, she splits up his data and traps it in many different servers). For whatever reason she leaves the turtles alone, whether because she doesn't have enough time or because she just wants to see what they'd do without Splinter, and they rematerialize in the present. Then to save Splinter, the turtles hook into the internet Matrix-style to retreive the broken up bits of Splinter data and likely store them in Serling for safe keeping. Once they collect all of Splinter's data, then they can rematerialize him via some doohickey, and that's the end of the season.

Granted, that's all speculation, but it's based on what we know so far and is a pretty easy explanation to buy into.

[Scandia]

OK, that would work for a 2-3 episode arc. But not for an entire season. Little kids would lose interest and not be able to pay attention for so long.

[CyberCubed]

The season is only 13 episodes and I doubt all the eps will be spent in cyber world. Remember we know April and Casey are back and I don't think they're going to go into the cyber world, so I expect some classic NYC based episodes.

Splinter probably won't be rescued completely until the tail-end though, it seems like they want to avoid him this season.

[The Shelf]

Exactly, and don't forget there's also that guy with the dragon tatoo. I really doubt he'll be visiting the internet either. So don't worry, I'm sure they'll spend no more than half the season in the virtual realm, and I think that's fair enough for those who aren't big on that idea.

[Scandia]

That's what I mean about the Cyber World. They do need to rescue Splinter after 2-3 episodes, 4 max. I do not want Splinter in the cyber world. I want Splinter home with his Turtles.

[The Terror of Death]

That's what I mean about the Cyber World. They do need to rescue Splinter after 2-3 episodes, 4 max. I do not want Splinter in the cyber world. I want Splinter home with his Turtles.

You do know there were times when Splinter went without being in the show for over 4 episodes, right?
Time does not need to spent every week just so we can see Splinter doing absolutely nothing to contribute to a specific episode. Do we really need to see him training the turtles or telling them to be careful? All that does it just fill time.

[Masked Ninja]

So you're assuming that I'm thinking about sex all the time just because it happens to translate to me like that? Thanks. Thanks a lot. You've just insulted me. That was really uncalled for.

No, I do not think about sex 24/7, thank you very much. In fact, FYI, I hardly think about it at all. However, that doesn't mean I've not heard even the most innocent phrases can have a little underlying meaning there. The tone and delivery of that dialogue plays a part of it, and *gasp* some of it isn't sexual (shocking, isn't it?).

The RC cars, powertools, etc. would've popped to my virgin mind long before the other did, but it was Raph's tone and delivery of that dialogue that changed my translation of it. Besides, I've heard that phrase long before to describe more the sizes of that part of the anatomy, and less to real plastic toys.

The visual of the Foot Tech machine was supposed to help that image of ATVs and such, but like I said, it was tone and delivery that underlyingly translated it elsewhere. You can still agree or disagree, that's fine. It's how it is to me, but don't ever insult like me that. I've not lowered myself to such abrasive behavior.*sigh*

I'd forgotten that you get really sensitive about these kind of things. It was less directed at you as a person and more of a vent about the nature of people to take innocently-intended things and put a sexual spin on it. However, my wording was much more personal than I intended and rather insensitive besides (that last quip I couldn't resist was definitely uncalled for), and for that I apologize. As you can probably tell, this is a subject that frustrates me very much, especially since you can get some jerks that will find that garbage in everything that comes out of your mouth.

I guess having friends that keep their humor pretty clean helps my mind stay... "virgin," as you put it. :P That and when I watch Turtles, a cartoon slotted for kids, sex is probably the furthest thing from my mind (the fact that animation analysis is at the forefront probably blocks any attempt for it to sneak up, heh). Though the more Freudian stuff will creep back in upon analysis... such as Raph's possible "short sword" syndrome.

So yeah, sorry about that. Probably shouldn't post when I'm in one of my rare sarcastic moods.

[Splinter's Iroonna]

You do know there were times when Splinter went without being in the show for over 4 episodes, right?
Time does not need to spent every week just so we can see Splinter doing absolutely nothing to contribute to a specific episode. Do we really need to see him training the turtles or telling them to be careful? All that does it just fill time.

True, but what is the point of getting rid of him? There were also some excellent episodes (when the writers would actually consider him) that Splinter was central to.

Ah well, according to W.G. they start recording this month-- maybe more stuff will leak out soon.

[Leonardo Mystic]

*sigh*

I'd forgotten that you get really sensitive about these kind of things. It was less directed at you as a person and more of a vent about the nature of people to take innocently-intended things and put a sexual spin on it. However, my wording was much more personal than I intended and rather insensitive besides (that last quip I couldn't resist was definitely uncalled for), and for that I apologize. As you can probably tell, this is a subject that frustrates me very much, especially since you can get some jerks that will find that garbage in everything that comes out of your mouth.

I guess having friends that keep their humor pretty clean helps my mind stay... "virgin," as you put it. :P That and when I watch Turtles, a cartoon slotted for kids, sex is probably the furthest thing from my mind (the fact that animation analysis is at the forefront probably blocks any attempt for it to sneak up, heh). Though the more Freudian stuff will creep back in upon analysis... such as Raph's possible "short sword" syndrome.

So yeah, sorry about that. Probably shouldn't post when I'm in one of my rare sarcastic moods.

It's all right now. I forgive you. :)

[odupianist]

We do need to see Splinter redeem his kick ass qualities though in this new season. All he fought in FF was Jammerhead. I like seeing a few episodes (not the whole season obviously) where Splinter joins in on the action and kicks some butt, even if it's the TMNT's butts during training

[Stephen]

More new stuff ......

http://the-5th-turtle.blogspot.com/2008/01/playmates-toys-fall-08-sneak-peek.html

Here's the Cyber Foot (working name) action figure design as intended for part of Playmates Toys' fall 2008 line, based on a description of how the character may (should) look in the 2K8 cartoon season. Doesn't seem to be any way to get away from unrealistically thin body types these days, does there (he asks as he munches away on salt and vinegar potato chips)?

http://i4.tinypic.com/7xmulwh.jpg

[Drtooth]

We do need to see Splinter redeem his kick ass qualities though in this new season. All he fought in FF was Jammerhead. I like seeing a few episodes (not the whole season obviously) where Splinter joins in on the action and kicks some butt, even if it's the TMNT's butts during training

Yeah. I mean, Splinter just became a garden variety elderly person stereotype (a Grandma, at that) in some of those episodes. Other than marketing reasons, there was no reason to even take him into the future. Other than a couple episodes, he really didn't do anything but make snarky comments (like another couple of old people stereotypes (http://www.bear-town.com/images/for_journal/from-the-balcony.jpg)).

Very disappointing, since Splinter kicked total anus in the 2k3 series, but still kept a sly sense of humor.

BTW, another blog post popped up...
http://the-5th-turtle.blogspot.com/2008/01/playmates-toys-fall-08-sneak-peek2.html

Uh... yeah. I'm not even touching that.

Edit: Apparently they're not even really going to wear that in the show.

[The Terror of Death]

Wait, does that indicate the turtles wont have pupils in the new season? 8)

[WEB4KIDZ]

Wait, does that indicate the turtles wont have pupils in the new season? 8)

That is just one of the Toy designs and not a reflection of what will be seen on the new show.

[robert]

A new TMNT season could offer some of the followings: more fighting (including Splinter), more explosions, more vehicles and probably a new or improved lair. Think about the episode "Journal" from FF. It may be false, but it may be a hint for the next season, right?

[Masked Ninja]

That is just one of the Toy designs and not a reflection of what will be seen on the new show.Very true. After all, didn't practically all of the '80s figures have white eyes, in spite of their having very obvious pupils in the show itself?

[Drtooth]

Wait, does that indicate the turtles wont have pupils in the new season? 8)

I thought the primary design suggested they will. Kinda stupid, since they're trying to cut down on animation costs.

[The Shelf]

I thought the primary design suggested they will. Kinda stupid, since they're trying to cut down on animation costs.

And what better way to disguise this fact than by adding something to the animated characters that doesn't actually cost much to animate?

Plus, they're trying to make the characters resemble the movie characters more. And leaving the eyes out wouldn't save them nearly as much money as their new simple style will.

[BubblyShell22]

That Cyber Foot design looks cool. Could it be an upgrade to the Foot Techs or something totally new?

[Drtooth]

Looky!!!! (http://the-5th-turtle.blogspot.com/2008/01/action-figure-concept-drawing.html)

Okay, this just surfaced on the 5th Turtle.... so is this a sign of things to come, or just an action figure? Either way, we finally get the "Utrom SHredder" we've been waiting for.

Of course, now I'm actually psyched about this new series.

[creativerealms82]

I figured he would return sooner or later seeing how the writers did not have the guts to kill him off in season three. Still it may only be a toy.

I like how Utrom Shredder is the "stinger" of the scorpian robot.

[gobo]

Looky!!!! (http://the-5th-turtle.blogspot.com/2008/01/action-figure-concept-drawing.html)

^^ Not necessarily in the show Murph said in the comments... though I have my suspicions.

[odupianist]

I guess it's the trend if you're a disembodied head/brain, you have to use a bug or human exoskeletons.

[Hero]

Zoid Shredder :)

===HERO

[Drtooth]

Though it seems like a hint towards seeing him come up in one form or another. While he may not necissarily show up, there's nothing saying he won't in any shape or form. At this point, unless we get a say so, anything is possible, and everything is speculation at this point. Even that Foot Ninja isn't obligated to appear.

[gobo]

Was it Wayne Grayson who said that Scottie Ray is indeed voicing for 2K8? I know I read it somewhere. I just dunno the source of that news.

[Scandia]

I have a theory about that Utrom riding that spider machine.

I think it may be part of a flashback episode showing how Ch'rell invaded the other planets and caused war and devastation. He used that machine as his transport. And they are making a toy out of it because little boys of all ages will find it fascinating- even if it shows up in only one flashback episode.

I do not think that Utrom Shredder will return. At least not Ch'rell. Now Krang on the other hand...

[Whitewolf89]

Looky!!!! (http://the-5th-turtle.blogspot.com/2008/01/action-figure-concept-drawing.html)

Okay, this just surfaced on the 5th Turtle.... so is this a sign of things to come, or just an action figure? Either way, we finally get the "Utrom SHredder" we've been waiting for.

Of course, now I'm actually psyched about this new series.

IF they're going to bring the Shredder back for the 2k8 season (notice that I said "SEASON", NOT "SERIES", here, and which I honestly hope that they DON'T, as I am just SO sick of him that it isn't even funny!), this has to be THE lamest looking thing that I've EVER seen. I hope it's JUST an action figure, and he's NOT coming back. They (meaning Peter and 4Kruds) need to come up with fresher, new villians than Shredder. I think that I was one of the few TMNT fans who was more than a little happy to see him end up on that ice-asteroid at the end of Season 3.

*makes face at the following thought* But IF they bring him back, they bring him back. It's not like WE have any say in the matter, anyway. Although I DO wish that Pete had taken a page out of Rick Ungar's book, who actually ASKED us BMFM fans what WE wanted to see in the new series when he was in the process of bringing IT back. Rick and the animation folks actually WANTED OUR creative input for the show. But does Peter and those ninnies at 4Kruds?! Noooooooo!!!:x

*sighs and calms down*

Which is NOT to say that I WON'T be tuning in and watching the new eps when they finally air. I'm just TOO much of a devoted TMNT fan NOT to. Shredder, or no Shredder coming back. Not gonna LIKE it IF he does, but I'll STILL watch.

As for getting THAT action-figure, nu-uh. I don't buy the bad guy ones; just the good guys (AKA the Turtles and their allies/friends).

[Masked Ninja]

I sure hope Ch'rell doesn't show up again. That would be really tiring... he came back from the "dead" too many times as it is. I'm content for him to stay a popsicle on some remote asteroid while the Turtles find someone else to fight.

[Whitewolf89]

I sure hope Ch'rell doesn't show up again. That would be really tiring... he came back from the "dead" too many times as it is. I'm content for him to stay a popsicle on some remote asteroid while the Turtles find someone else to fight.
Girlfriend, I TOTALLY agree with every word that you just said, er, wrote.

Honestly, I don't know WHO was the worst when it came to "excessive resurrections", Shredder/Ch'rell OR Baxter. Take your pick.

[ZariusTwo]

I'd say this is far, far different than just "Cyber Suits" for the Turtles and anyone who thinks this is an exclusive is just fooling themselves.

I got my "Utrom-less" seasons, and any TMNT season is going to have Shredder in it...even FF in some convulted time-traveling manner. F*ck the fans bored of him, I'd like to see him back for a few episodes (probably for the finale).

And whilst I was sick of Ch'rell myself, I like that toy design. If Ch'rell were'nt in it, nobody would be complaining, there just following fashionable opinion. I don't think the "fans" should be dictating to the company what to do either, as they can be just as stifling and as petty in their decisions and reactions as 4Kids or Peter with the infant Turtles and reboot ideas. TMNT is'nt YOUR show, so bloody accept that it is'nt. It belongs to a large audience, and that audience would love an idea like this.

I do not think that Utrom Shredder will return. At least not Ch'rell. Now Krang on the other hand...

Krang has already appeared, Krang was a comedy character in a trivial cameo, he's not going to be anything else. Get the hell over it

[Whitewolf89]

F*ck the fans bored of him
Well, thank you Zarius. We love you, too. *insert heavy sarcasm here*

And people wonder WHY I don't post on here any more than I do...........

[VaughnMichael]

Well, thank you Zarius. We love you, too. *insert heavy sarcasm here*

And people wonder WHY I don't post on here any more than I do...........
Whitewolf you just keep posting what you think.
It's a message board...I was gonna let these A holes drive me away but I had to sit and laugh about it.
I was getting ticked off at some losers who have nothing in life besides the internet to be a bully on.
In fact I encorage you to post more than you have been. :)
In fact I could dig up some posts of a certian some one telling people to get over Shredder coming back..the tongue is a double edged sword.
Flopping opinions more than a fish running for office.

[Whitewolf89]

Thankies, I will, bro.

And thanks for the encouragement.;):D

[Krang]

A couple of posts containing off-topic arguing (and their replies) were cleaned up. Let's stay on topic, please.

[Poweranimals]

I actually think it looks awesome. It's certainly a creative direction for the Shredder. I always thought the Utrom's fate seemed unresolved. People may have hated that he was an Utrom, but he was the best Shredder.

[Herr_Shredder]

I actually think it looks awesome. It's certainly a creative direction for the Shredder. I always thought the Utrom's fate seemed unresolved. People may have hated that he was an Utrom, but he was the best Shredder.

` Yeah and since he was banished karai's anger seems odd to me...

What about Demon Shredder? cool>?

[ZariusTwo]

Tengu Shredder has his moments, but it's all to do with longevity

[Whitewolf89]

A couple of posts containing off-topic arguing (and their replies) were cleaned up. Let's stay on topic, please.
Well put, dear friend.

And if I was one of the guilty ones, consider me self-bapped, and it won't happen again.;)

[AquaParade]

Tengu Shredder was kinda lame...Trust me, I hate to say it...but he just came off as kinda cheesy to me. Who knows, maybe it was the fact that he was hovering all over new york city zapping stuff.

[Ninjafromanotherseries]

Tengu Shedder was stupid. He always talk big and then someone strike him hard and he shouts: WHAT!

Watch New World order part 2 and count how many times he yells "what" when someone hits him.

Chrell is the best Shedder but I think it would be cooler if there was another nasty Utrom who fight TMNT. Why not make those three council Utroms bad and Turtles would become guardians and those three evil Utroms would use Underground -episodes cities power to do something evil, like steal Ninja Tribunals powers.

[Sage Ninja]

I'm on the fence on this one. On the one hand I would like to see more orginal villans come into the story and have the turtles deal with them as well as see some villans that have been under used become promenent in the story. Like the Rat King, and maybe some Battle nexus characters too. But on the other hand Shredder/cherell can still have some potencial if pulled off right. I guess I'm just going to have to wait and see.

[BubblyShell22]

Yeah, we never did find out if Ch'rell got frozen or rescued from that asteroid. If he comes back, then it means that some other Utroms or someone else managed to rescue Ch'rell and bring him back. I, for one, am looking forward to seeing how this plays out.

[odupianist]

3 evil utroms kind of like superman 2?

[gobo]

With four Supermen?? :P

[Scandia]

Are we certain for sure it is Ch'rell?

Could it possibly be....KRANG?

JK. It could be another evil Utrom. Who would rescue Ch'rell anyway? Karai is here on earth- and I think Chaplin has kept her busy :)

[Spitfire]

I would guess his allies on Tenila 5 like he mentioned on that episode.

[The Terror of Death]

I would guess his allies on Tenila 5 like he mentioned on that episode.

I almost forgot about the mercenaries. If they do rescue Ch'rell I hope Slashur is in the group.

[VaughnMichael]

I would guess his allies on Tenila 5 like he mentioned on that episode.
One could only hope.

[Zog]

I always thought it would be cool if he had sent out a late transmission and/or perhaps his allies on Tenella 5 tracked where his transport console crashed, and they made their way to Earth only to find out he was sent to the ice asteriod. So before they go, they become enemies with the turtles, who then piss them off so much they stay longer, you get the idea. And also they would have that alliance with the Foot simply because of Ch'rell.

[odupianist]

Chaplin canNOT keep Karai busy! They're not married! Are they living together this season? They better not be gosh darn it! </sarcasm>

[BubblyShell22]

I thought Slashur was a good Utrom, but he could have turned evil. You never know. As for Karai and Chaplin, I really don't want to know if they're living together or not.

[odupianist]

I thought about something that is interesting, depending on your thoughts on the theory of time travel... with Viral coming back, it has screwed with the timeline, so things in the future will not happen as they were supposed to. OORRR Viral was supposed to come back so things happen as they were supposed to and the future will not change.

[ZariusTwo]

I thought Slashur was a good Utrom, but he could have turned evil. You never know. As for Karai and Chaplin, I really don't want to know if they're living together or not.

odupianist was taking the piss out of Scanida's psycho posts about cohabiting...I think...but I dont think he was being serious anyway.

Karai and Chaplin were probably dating before they appeared in The Lost Season anyway, judging from the dialouge.

[Drtooth]

I had a terrible thought. What if by cheaper animation they make the series flash animated? I'd hate that. I don't like how flash looks on television at all. I'm seeing way too many cartoons made this way now, or switching to it.

[CyberCubed]

I had a terrible thought. What if by cheaper animation they make the series flash animated? I'd hate that. I don't like how flash looks on television at all. I'm seeing way too many cartoons made this way now, or switching to it.

I don't think that's what they meant...hopefully not, anyway.

[Spitfire]

I thought Slashur was a good Utrom, but he could have turned evil. You never know. As for Karai and Chaplin, I really don't want to know if they're living together or not.

Slashuur was only ever in the video game series I don't think he's make the jump to the show. If he was going to like the Turtle Bot did they would have done it already.

[gobo]

To back up Spit's assertion, Slashuur was indeed not in any other well-known form of Turtles-related media than Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2: The Battle Nexus videogame where he played the role of the bounty hunter with a heart of gold. I would like to see that character again, but I doubt it'll happen.

[BubblyShell22]

Oh, okay, I understand. I thought Slashur was another Utrom they made just for the game. It would be nice to see him in the show, though.

And, Zarius, I get that it was a joke. Maybe Karai and Chaplin were dating sooner, or maybe they just found each other in the Lost Season after fighting the True Shredder.

[Mr. Stay Puft]

One thought I just had regarding Ch'rell's return. If this series is taking place in a digital world, who's to say this is a physical version of Ch'rell. For all we know, it could be a "Viral" manifestation (pardon the pun).

[X]

I thought everyone knew already, but I guess no one saw it, or thought of it.

What's the theory on time travel?

If you went into the past and stepped on a butterflys wings, it would alter time in some way.

One needs only looks to the FF episode, "Timing is Everything," to see why Ch'rell may be back in physical form (not that cyberspace bullcrap.)

What did Leo do in this episode? What did Shredder do in this episode?

1. Shredder knew there was something different about Leo, he was more powerful. Shredder isn't dumb which is why -

2. He found his way into the future. What did he say? Take it all, for the Shredder? What's to say before all those foot were kicked back into the past, they didn't get a piece of tech from the future that might've allowed Shredder to see his future? Or -

3. What if Raph telling Shredder, "we put the hurt on you a long time ago," made the Shredder curious, so he thought that something bad happens to him in the future so he corrects it, maybe with a piece of tech the foot could've stole? Or it could go back to the very first theory of time travel -

4. Just because Leo showed up in the past, it altered time somehow, so the events of Exodus never happened...

Think of the butterfly wings.

-X-

[Coola Yagami]

However... that would cheapen the effects of not only Exodus... but also Return to New York, City at War and Rogue in the House....

Plus... it would alter stuff so greatly that even the Fast Forward timeline would have suffered changes.

[ZariusTwo]

Viral is one of the new season's villains, so the timeline is going to be changed anyway

[ToTheNines]

If you went into the past and stepped on a butterflys wings, it would alter time in some way.

It's not that abstract of a thought. I mean, If you stomp out a butterfly in your own time, it's gonna change something in some miniscule way.

[WEB4KIDZ]

This was just posted on 4kidsTV today. This should be intresting....

You Decide the "TMNT" Theme Song

Starting next weekend you will be able to log onto 4Kids.tv and vote on your favorite “Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle” theme song for the upcoming season.

Listen to the three options right here on 4Kids.tv, and then vote for your favorite. Vote as many times as you want, just make sure you vote so Mikey doesn't get his way and compose his own theme song. Hey, he may be [a] great crime fighter, but when it comes to singing, he should definitely keep his day job!

http://www.4kids.tv/buzz/view/903

[VaughnMichael]

Yay 4 year olds who "like ice cream" will be choosing the theme for next season.
I think this needs it's own thread so we don't allow that to happen.

[ZariusTwo]

Something Foo Fighter-ish. Just to stick it to Marvel:lol:

[VaughnMichael]

Something Foo Fighter-ish. Just to stick it to Marvel:lol:
I don't care as long it isn't the emo crap them FF had, or the them that could be for a rock version of Sesame Street that 2k3 had. 1 2 3 4!! woo we can count!:lol:

[gobo]

Yay 4 year olds who "like ice cream" will be choosing the theme for next season.
I think this needs it's own thread so we don't allow that to happen.

More like 4Kids employees pretending to be four year olds who like ice cream... :P

[The Big Bad]

I thought everyone knew already, but I guess no one saw it, or thought of it.

What's the theory on time travel?

If you went into the past and stepped on a butterflys wings, it would alter time in some way.

One needs only looks to the FF episode, "Timing is Everything," to see why Ch'rell may be back in physical form (not that cyberspace bullcrap.)

What did Leo do in this episode? What did Shredder do in this episode?

1. Shredder knew there was something different about Leo, he was more powerful. Shredder isn't dumb which is why -

2. He found his way into the future. What did he say? Take it all, for the Shredder? What's to say before all those foot were kicked back into the past, they didn't get a piece of tech from the future that might've allowed Shredder to see his future? Or -

3. What if Raph telling Shredder, "we put the hurt on you a long time ago," made the Shredder curious, so he thought that something bad happens to him in the future so he corrects it, maybe with a piece of tech the foot could've stole? Or it could go back to the very first theory of time travel -

4. Just because Leo showed up in the past, it altered time somehow, so the events of Exodus never happened...

Think of the butterfly wings.

-X-

Actually, time travel, as we've seen it on the show, follows the circular model seen in Gargoyles: going to the past alters nothing, since any time travelling was always supposed to happen--it was already part of the script, as it were. Or to put it another way: if you hadn't traveled to the past and hadn't stepped into a butterfly's wings, your present would have been different from the very start. Thus, any time-travelling that occurs will only help bring the future we've already seen in Fast Forward about.

To wit:

In the first Renet episode, the timestress comments that she met the turtles at an Event of Great Significane, or E.G.S. Why is that particular moment an E.G.S.? Because the turtles eventually travel to the middle ages to fight Savanti and Ultimate Drako. Had they not time traveled, then the E.G.S. would not have occurred, and Renet wouldn't have known to meet the turtles at that precise moment.

Likewise, in Timing is Everything, the turtles received Don's letter before they'd ever embarked on their time travel. Had they not time travelled, the letter would not have been delivered--it never even would have existed, since Don wouldn't have been stranded in the past and wouldn't have need to write it. However, it did exist, and it arrived before the turtles time-traveled, because the turtles had always time traveled.

Thus, whatever memories/technology the turtles bring back with them from the future will not alter it, and will instead help bring that future about. Had the turtles not traveled to 2105, then 2105 as we know it would not have existed.

[gobo]

And, how do we know that's how it works? Don already helped build an Empire that he wasn't around to build. Thus, all events are predestined.

[Mr._Mutant_Man]

Yay 4 year olds who "like ice cream" will be choosing the theme for next season.
I think this needs it's own thread so we don't allow that to happen.

Well there are kids out there who like turtles as well.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=CMNry4PE93Y

[VaughnMichael]

Well there are kids out there who like turtles as well.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=CMNry4PE93Y
That kid about sums up how I feel about half the tmnt fanbase.:lol:

[Drtooth]

Yay 4 year olds who "like ice cream" will be choosing the theme for next season.


C'mon! You know as well as I do that:
Everyone loves ice cream
ice cream ice cream!
Everyone loves Ice cream
no matter who they are!
(old Sesame reference)

Anyway, the thing that bugs me is you have to "log on" to listen to them, so there's no way you can tell what the songs will be unless you sign up. An' something tells me, it ain't gonna be pretty.

[gobo]

I'll take care of that (unless Rose beats me to it).

[BubblyShell22]

Hmmm. Choosing the theme song probably won't be pretty. After all, they never gave a crap what we thought before in the first place. I'll probably check them out and see if any of them sound decent.

[Drtooth]

Hmmm. Choosing the theme song probably won't be pretty. After all, they never gave a crap what we thought before in the first place. I'll probably check them out and see if any of them sound decent.

They still don;t give a crap on what "we" think. Unless you're under 17 years old that is. They care mainly about the younger kids who apparently have more buying power. The 5-15 year olds are going to chose the theme song. not "Us."

[ToTheNines]

They still don;t give a crap on what "we" think. Unless you're under 17 years old that is. They care mainly about the younger kids who apparently have more buying power. The 5-15 year olds are going to chose the theme song. not "Us."

I agree and all, but the average 11-15 year old does not watch cartoons.

[Drtooth]

I agree and all, but the average 11-15 year old does not watch cartoons.

...they pretend to have teenage viewers. That's their cut off point. At least when it comes to contests.

More like 5-12 year olds.

[Slash]

That kid about sums up how I feel about half the tmnt fanbase.:lol:

I think he likes make up as much as you do! :)

[VaughnMichael]

I think he likes make up as much as you do! :)
I don't just like makeup, I look at makeup as another form of painting.
That kid looks more like the lost son of uncle fester.

[ToTheNines]

I don't just like makeup, I look at makeup as another form of painting.
That kid looks more like the lost son of uncle fester.

:lol: You're so mean :P

[VaughnMichael]

:lol: You're so mean :P
What? I love the adams family! I've got all the dvds of the tv show!:P

[gobo]

You're so argumentative! Argue with that one. I dare ya'. ^_^

Yes, I'm teasing.

[VaughnMichael]

You're so argumentative! Argue with that one. I dare ya'. ^_^

Yes, I'm teasing.
*throws a radish @ you*

[prophecy718]

Lol ok which one of you guys wrote this (picking on some little kid on 4kids tv messageboard LOL)

MaxxorC: I saw your comment and it caused me register just to talk to you, I tried sending a comment and a message but this thing won't let me type a message except here....u claim to be able to sing all the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle Theme songs, but the thing is, most people seem to "forget" about 2 series of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle, which came before Fox remade the series. My question to you is, do you know what to series these are? And please, don't look online for them, integrity is an important aspect.

[VaughnMichael]

Lol ok which one of you guys wrote this (picking on some little kid on 4kids tv messageboard LOL)
I saw that also, I'm sure they could have picked on some one else lol.
His question is really silly.

[Kendamu]

Lol ok which one of you guys wrote this (picking on some little kid on 4kids tv messageboard LOL)
I saw that, too. I was just like "Does this person just register for forums to challenge people over trivial matters?"

[prophecy718]

LOL i just thought it was hilarious

[Drtooth]

Getting back on topic, there apparently is a commercial that has some of the new character designs hidden in it. I took the pics out of something that was posted somewhere else. Most of them are hideously fuzzy so I was only able to get these 2...

http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb174/drslumptooth/cdascdcc.jpg

This picture will be taken down if there is any complaint on the part of any producers or people in charge of the show.

But you can see conceptual Hun and something that I can only guess is Shredder...

[X]

What kind of commercial, and why would they be hiding the new stuff?

Is it a commercial showing off the new season?

-X-

[VaughnMichael]

Getting back on topic, there apparently is a commercial that has some of the new character designs hidden in it. I took the pics out of something that was posted somewhere else. Most of them are hideously fuzzy so I was only able to get these 2...

http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb174/drslumptooth/cdascdcc.jpg

This picture will be taken down if there is any complaint on the part of any producers or people in charge of the show.

But you can see conceptual Hun and something that I can only guess is Shredder...
I would laugh if that's Viral in that Shredder outfit.:lol:

[gobo]

It probably is. Why else would all the blades be red and luminous? Personally, I think those both look way better than the new April and Casey designs.

[Raven]

agreed, Hun kind of looks cool but its kind of hard to tell at the same time. And I hope to god thats not the shredder, I really hope they use some other villains instead of rehashing him another several hundered times again.

[X]

Anyone else notice that Hun has Sais around his waist?

Maybe he has taken on some kung fu skills.

-X-

[sdp]

Not sure if its been discussed before but anyone think this season is going to be similar to Fast Forward? They aren't going back to their old style, they go back in time but with the "cyber" gimmick, which of course is still futuristic. I think we are going there is going to be a lot of people disappointed when it airs.

[WEB4KIDZ]

What kind of commercial, and why would they be hiding the new stuff?

Is it a commercial showing off the new season?

-X-

The images are from the "Pick A Theme Song Challenge" commercial. Several of the images from Murphy's blog can also be seen: Cyber Foot, X-Runner, Casey & April (they all appear to have been reversed for some reason).

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/4425/tmnt2k8previewax5.jpg

[VaughnMichael]

Not sure if its been discussed before but anyone think this season is going to be similar to Fast Forward? They aren't going back to their old style, they go back in time but with the "cyber" gimmick, which of course is still futuristic. I think we are going there is going to be a lot of people disappointed when it airs.
And I can't wait! weeee:lol:
The images are from the "Pick A Theme Song Challenge" commercial. Several of the images from Murphy's blog can also be seen: Cyber Foot, X-Runner, Casey & April (they all appear to have been reversed for some reason).

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/4425/tmnt2k8previewax5.jpg
Yowza everyones looking pretty good still not really enjoying how skinny april is now..but oh well.
And is that Baxter on the left?? He's my favorite character on the new show, It's quite sad that the second season of Fast Forward won't be happening now I really wanted to see him in his old human body again.

[The Terror of Death]

Is that really Stockman in the cyber suit? I cant tell. If it is that probably suggest that the future doesnt turn out the way it does in Fast Forward. Which is really weird. And on a side note I didnt think Shredder and Hun could possibly look more badass but they are.

[Drtooth]

Once again, hard to tell... but it looks like (for now) the Pupils are out.

{EDIT} I'm going to remove the pics soon, since someone posted thw entire things.

[Raven]

The images are from the "Pick A Theme Song Challenge" commercial. Several of the images from Murphy's blog can also be seen: Cyber Foot, X-Runner, Casey & April (they all appear to have been reversed for some reason).

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/4425/tmnt2k8previewax5.jpg

Im kind of excited for this new look, its almost a nice blend of the old style of 2k3 and Fast Forward. But of course style is nothing unless you have some good stories to tell.

I hope they have some of those, other wise Im not watching.

[sdp]

based off the theme song his name is going to be Cyber Shredder.

he might not even be real.

[Unicron the Agitator]

If they do it Matrix-style it could be good. I kind of like how they're able to put Shredder in the new series without really compromising the defeats of both the Utrom and Tangu Shredder's. It looks good and I'm really excited! The only thing that would make it better is if the new X-Men series debuts with this one back to back in the fall. I'd be in geek heaven!

[Venom]

Hm....based on that drawing of Cyber Shredder, and the pic Murph posted a while back of Ch'rell in a techno-harness, has me thinking. I wonder if Ch'rell will somehow enter cyberspace with that get up and the Cyber Shredder will be his avatar. He and Hun are out in the real world, and Hun will do the dirty stuff for him out here while inside cyberspace he can be the Shredder again.

Just a thought. I'm tired now. G'night.

[VaughnMichael]

Hm....based on that drawing of Cyber Shredder, and the pic Murph posted a while back of Ch'rell in a techno-harness, has me thinking. I wonder if Ch'rell will somehow enter cyberspace with that get up and the Cyber Shredder will be his avatar. He and Hun are out in the real world, and Hun will do the dirty stuff for him out here while inside cyberspace he can be the Shredder again.

Just a thought. I'm tired now. G'night.
I don't think Hun would be working for him, remember how he freaked when he found out his master was an alien.

[syk_skillz]

I don't think Hun would be working for him, remember how he freaked when he found out his master was an alien.

Hun didn't seem to mind in SAINW

[Spitfire]

Hun didn't seem to mind in SAINW

That was an alternate reality though.

[gobo]

Hun doesn't approve of his ex-boss being an alien. But, under the right conditions, he'd happily sell his soul to survive.

But, I'm guessing Viral infected The (Utrom) Shredder's computer networks when she had access to them in "Timing is Everything". That suggests to me that the world the Turtles return to might be like a "Back To The Future - Part II" scenario. If that's the case, I hope they disguise it well enough though I'm sure people will still call it an unimaginative rip-off.

[ZariusTwo]

I think Viral actually BECOMES Cyber-Shredder

[VaughnMichael]

I think Viral actually BECOMES Cyber-Shredder
Indeed.....;)

[Scandia]

How does Viral found out about the Shredder? Shredder was not a part of Fast Forward at all.

[The Shelf]

How does Viral found out about the Shredder? Shredder was not a part of Fast Forward at all.

I'm sketchy on my Fast Forward episodes, but wasn't Viral involved with Timing Is Everything?

[Spitfire]

Yeah she sees him in the time portal.

[VaughnMichael]

How does Viral found out about the Shredder? Shredder was not a part of Fast Forward at all.
Yes he was, And I'm starting to wonder if part of her didn't slip back to the past with him.

[BubblyShell22]

She did see Shredder, so she could have learned more about him. After all, if Cody had anything recorded on computer, she could easily hack into it and access information.

[Drtooth]

How does Viral found out about the Shredder? Shredder was not a part of Fast Forward at all.

Probably word of Mouth, or something. Same thing I'm guessing happened with Utrom Shredder.

[sdp]

Has this been posted:?

144 "Back From The Future" Fall 2008 S07E01
When the Turtles return from the future to the present time, Viral interferes causing Master Splinter to get trapped in cyberspace, bits of his data code scattered all throughout the digital domain. The Turtles must find a way to access the virtual realm so they can gather Splinter’s code and save their beloved father before he is lost to them forever.


Its on wiki so it might not be reliable but this wouldn't be the first time an episode sypnosis is posted on wiki early.

[The Shelf]

Has this been posted:?




Its on wiki so it might not be reliable but this wouldn't be the first time an episode sypnosis is posted on wiki early.

That's basically the summary that was announced for the whole season a while back. Someone probably just copied and pasted it into wiki.

[The Big Bad]

I really don't think "Cyber-Shredder" will turn out to be Ch'rell. Remember, Earth was basically an unavoidable detour in his larger plans; as soon as he saw an opportunity to leave the planet and resume his larger plans to dominate the universe, he took it. Why stay in technologically-backwards Earth if he can avoid it? Personally, I'd go for highly-advanced A.I. with a personality molded after Ch'rell, but not Ch'rell itself.

[ZariusTwo]

Yes he was, And I'm starting to wonder if part of her didn't slip back to the past with him.

She took herself back to the past to play the s*itty games that suck ass, research your history buddy.:P

[VaughnMichael]

She took herself back to the past to play the s*itty games that suck ass, research your history buddy.:P
If she did go back in the past, I think she would show the Shredder how to use all sorts of Future technology, and it really could screw up the time line.
I don't see that happening though, that's to good of an idea for the way they want the series to go.

[WEB4KIDZ]

A new TMNT blog is up on 4kids with more Q&A's with one very intresting answer. Is this the name of the new show? (which is also a lryic from Song #5).

Will the TMNT show ever return to present day New York?

Sooner than you might expect! Make sure to check out “Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Back to the Sewers” next season to find out!

[VaughnMichael]

They really didn't come out say all that much but they did get to one of my questions also.

Will the stories about Darius Dunn and the Dark Turtles be wrapped up?

We certainly have stories that we want to tell featuring those bad boyz; however, only time (and the powers that be) will tell!

[Scandia]

Is their current Central Park lair considered to be part of the sewers? I know it is not underground- but it is a reservoir or pump station.

[X]

This whole cyberspace thing has me bugged.

If every episode has them going into cyberspace to find Splinter and all the bad guys reside there, then this season will be very repetitive.

As I have stated before, I would like to see all the characters, or at least some, from seasons 1-5 come back in some form that doesn't deal with cyberspace.

I just hope every episode doesn't deal with cyberspace.

[Coola Yagami]

Same here... they still got a few good comic book stories to adapt, like The Passing, the one with Rennet and Shoate in Fuedal Japan and the one about Bloodsucker. And more Rat King...

[Whitewolf89]

A new TMNT blog is up on 4kids with more Q&A's with one very intresting answer. Is this the name of the new show? (which is also a lryic from Song #5).
Could you...or someone else here...post a link to the blog HERE, please? I kinda want to see it, but I'm usually too busy with other stuff to get into 4Kids website much lately.

That, and my comp's been strangely insistant on being totally STUPID lately. I think it senses that it's about to get replaced by a newer, MUCH better one.

[VaughnMichael]

http://www.4kids.tv/show/tmnt/blog

[Whitewolf89]

http://www.4kids.tv/show/tmnt/blog
Thankies, bro. I appreciate this.

Now if I can just get my sandblasted COMP to cooperate and STOP freezing UP on me every 5 minutes.......!!!!!:x:x:x:x:x

[Raph The Angry]

I agree. There are plenty of great comic arcs to put into animation, I hope we get to see more of those soon. Not a big fan of the cyberspace concept

[VaughnMichael]

I'm not either because of how its been done in the past, but lets not kick it in the animated balls before we get past atleast 5 episods this time guys k?

[ZariusTwo]

I agree. There are plenty of great comic arcs to put into animation, I hope we get to see more of those soon. Not a big fan of the cyberspace concept

Screw the comic-based arcs. Originality is far better.

[VaughnMichael]

Screw the comic-based arcs. Originality is far better.
I couldn't agree more.

[Casual Matt]

I couldn't agree more.

Plot twists like Shredder being an Utrom make me agree as well.

[Scandia]

Well I like them both.

I agree that I do not care for the cyberspace concept either. It just has not been done on any previous TMNT universe- so I do not know how they will handle it.

And VR Trooper stunk.

[tcclives23]

I was on the 4kids TMNT blog (http://www.4kids.tv/show/tmnt/blog), and I found this little tidbit of information:

Will the TMNT show ever return to present day New York?

Sooner than you might expect! Make sure to check out “Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Back to the Sewers” next season to find out!

Does this mean that "Back to the Sewers" is the official subtitle? Sorry if this has already been established.

[CyberCubed]

Does this mean that "Back to the Sewers" is the official subtitle? Sorry if this has already been established.

Sounds like it. It also gives hope that 4kids will choose theme #5 in the end even if #3 has more votes overall.

Most likely 4kids will rig the poll in the end anyway. Not that anyone here except 1 person would mind.

[gobo]

Two people actually... What? Hell no, not me. But, I recall there were two raving about it when ToTheNines had to piss 'em off. So, if #3 wins the race, I know where I'll be placing the blame. :)

[CJStyles]

Back to the Sewers is the subtitle? Okay that sounds really lllaaame... and there is my cheap contribution for the night

[tOkKa]

Back to the Sewers is the subtitle? Okay that sounds really lllaaame... and there is my cheap contribution for the night

-->> Yeh couldn't they just change the title to 'TMNT : The Series' or summin' ..geessh .. :sick:

[VaughnMichael]

Well, I think it's safe to say that from this point forward that the show will be called Ninja Turtles: "____________" since it would seem they want each season to have a theme.

[Coola Yagami]

Back to the SEEEEEEEEEEEEEEWWWWWEERRRRRRRRRRSZZZZZ!!!1111111

[ZariusTwo]

And VR Trooper stunk.

So does the persistence of ignorance.

[Drtooth]

Screw the comic-based arcs. Originality is far better.

I agree to an extent... though I think the River and Sky Highway are SCREAMING to be animated.

Anyway:

Does this mean that "Back to the Sewers" is the official subtitle? Sorry if this has already been established.

I have to admit, if the TMNT need a byline, at least it's one that doesn't sound rediculous. Since S4, the series had a byline, though it wasn't really official. "Mutants and Monsters"- which was basically only used in Merchandise. I don't see why they shouldn't call it that at all, since we're clearly going onto another series, rather than just another season.

[Scandia]

What was the byline for Season 4? I know that for 3 it was "Ways of the Warrior", at least in the DVD boxes. Dunno how official that was, or if it was used in the broadcast.

And I did not like the Sky Highway comic, though animating it could improve it. It was not terrible- but it was not particularly good.

[Revan]

I agree to an extent... though I think the River and Sky Highway are SCREAMING to be animated.


I thought they already did the river. :ohwell:

[Mr. Stay Puft]

I thought they already did the river. :ohwell:

No. They did "Sons of the Silent Age", but completely cheapened the meaning behind the original story by changing the ending.

[Drtooth]

Tiny update... Now, this was all the info I could have squeazed out of a certain TMNT voice actor (who shall remain nameless) but...

7 episodes have already been recorded

[AquaParade]

Nice...maybe we can get a clip soon:)

[SWAT_KAT_RAZOR]

I liked the overload idea. :(

[Jester]

Murph (5th Turtle) posted this on his blog:
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y132/Jesterangelo/mikes.jpg
http://the-5th-turtle.blogspot.com/2008/03/another-style-guide-update.html

[DrSpengler]

I thought they already did the river. :ohwell:

As was already mentioned, no, they haven't done "The River". And considering Laird's condescending and negative attitude toward all the TMNT fiction provided by Veitch, they never will.

[Scandia]

Those designs actually look pretty good. Not as angular as FF.

[R-iZZy]

As was already mentioned, no, they haven't done "The River". And considering Laird's condescending and negative attitude toward all the TMNT fiction provided by Veitch, they never will.

That's pretty sad, considering The River story arc >>> TMNT v4

[Fledermaus]

Why are their heads so small???

[Roseangelo]

Why are their heads so small???

That seems to be a recurring issue with the 4Kids artists; all of the fake retro art they created had the same problem. (I actually have the suspicion that they didn't even draw the heads for those and merely copy/pasted old heads onto new bodies.)

The 4Kids artists are also painfully unable to draw new poses, as most of these are copies or extremely close variations of old poses. I'm really glad Mirage rejected (at least most of) these.

They should get Dooney to do the style guide again. IMO he's the guy who gets closest to drawing a definitive Turtle. :ohwell:

[Jelly Bean]

I don't think the heads look that small :-? As long as the don't give the turtles four fingers instead of three I won't complain to much. It does look like they don't have pupils though.

[Scandia]

I do not think they look horrendously disproportionate either. And only one of those pics seems to have pupils- the one where Mikey seems to be pointing his fingers like a gun.

[Revan]

Have they chosen a stance on the pupil decision?

[Fledermaus]

I do not think they look horrendously disproportionate either.

Well, of course you (and Jelly Bean) wouldn't find them disproportionate. Now that they are 7.5 heads tall, they have the proportions of a 6 foot tall adult male human. You see that every day. They look more "normal." (Never mind that they're supposed to be mutant turtles, who in most every incarnation have been significantly shorter than most male - and female - humans.) Now, throw in the fact that, when animated, humans are usually six heads tall as opposed to the more realistic 7.5 heads. So in cartoon-land, apparently, the TMNT have gotta be like seven feet tall now. (The next mutation perhaps)

Their head-to-body ratio in 2k3 was, officially, five heads and even then the animators would often forget that.

I associate giving turtles human man proportions with erotic TMNT fanart, but whatever... :roll: What matters most are the script, voice acting, and storytelling.

[Drtooth]

From the Blog:

Starting to receive preliminary character sketches for the style guide update. Most of these Mikey poses were rejected for being too similar to existing poses, plus, well, most of them don't capture Mikey's character (facial expressions) nor natural athleticism (the joy he takes in his body). They just seem too TMNT-generic. Back to the drawing board....

Words of note: Rejected- update- style guide... Now my take on all this is...

Style guides and character designs are usually 2 different things altogether. Remember how the toys looked. not just current ones, but the original 1980's line. So the toys and merchandising could have a completely different look than the final product in animation anyway.

Seems like they're working on it as well. They could be adjusted to be more in scale, or they could just wind up looking the same way anyway. Hard to tell at this point.

I wonder how far they got on the animation anyway since, as I stated earlier they're recording the show as we speak
and the characters aren't totally finalized. At least in the style guide.

Personally, once they fix the head to body ratio, these designs look pretty good so far.

[Sage Ninja]

I just like that Mikey still looks beefy and muscular and not to small. I didn't care how they made him him into a midget compared to his brother in fast foward and CGI movie.

[The Shelf]

I just like that Mikey still looks beefy and muscular and not to small. I didn't care how they made him him into a midget compared to his brother in the live action movies.

Fixed it for ya'. ;)

[Tinuvielsdreams]

I really like the top right pose. I do think I am not sold on the head and eyes but I like where it's going.

[Masked Ninja]

I've heard several people saying they like the top right drawing the most, but I honestly think it's the weakest drawing in the entire image. The proportions are way too human (looks too tall), the pose seems off-balance and awkward, the head too small, and the legs way too long. That Mike looks almost feminine to me.

Now, the more finished drawing below it, while it does have that pesky tongue shortcut going on, does capture the shorter look the TMNT should have, the masculinity, and it's very fitting for Mike because it looks gentle and intelligent. A couple other drawings on this page have his shoulders hunched/beefed up to the point where he looks like Raph.

As for the pupils (and yes, there are pupils on every Turtle with eyes on the page), I'm reserving judgement for now. I really liked the mask/no mask system they had going on in 2k3 and I liked the tough look it gives the Turtles when suited up as ninjas, but if they actually use the pupils well to expand their expressiveness... then I'm all for it. The problem, of course, is that the animation budget will probably be too cheap to really use pupils to improve the acting.

[AquaParade]

Would it not be probable that this season could have a little more money thrown into it then the previous ones? The whole franchise should have made a good chunk of change in the last year...the tmnt movie/merchandise should have reeled in a few bucks, and FF ratings were higher then previous seasons...they should spend a little of that cash on the toon. Likely?

[nimrod]

I've heard several people saying they like the top right drawing the most, but I honestly think it's the weakest drawing in the entire image. The proportions are way too human (looks too tall), the pose seems off-balance and awkward, the head too small, and the legs way too long. That Mike looks almost feminine to me.

I agree completely. I like the "non-human" short and thick kind of look.

[Roseangelo]

I've heard several people saying they like the top right drawing the most, but I honestly think it's the weakest drawing in the entire image. The proportions are way too human (looks too tall), the pose seems off-balance and awkward, the head too small, and the legs way too long. That Mike looks almost feminine to me.

I totally agree. I really, really dislike that one. Additionally, the plastron is too skinny.

[Revan]

I've heard several people saying they like the top right drawing the most, but I honestly think it's the weakest drawing in the entire image. The proportions are way too human (looks too tall), the pose seems off-balance and awkward, the head too small, and the legs way too long. That Mike looks almost feminine to me.

:lol:Well mike's character does seem to be morphing into a more pathetic protrayal in each incarnation. 2k3 wasn't so bad, but fast forward and TMNT the movie seemed to throw him under the kiddy train. This could be an even bolder move than making him seem childish. Making him seem feminine.:lol:

[Roseangelo]

:lol:Well mike's character does seem to be morphing into a more pathetic protrayal in each incarnation. 2k3 wasn't so bad, but fast forward and TMNT the movie seemed to throw him under the kiddy train. This could be an even bolder move than making him seem childish. Making him seem feminine.:lol:

Shush! Let me live with a glimmer of hope for the next 6 months that that's not the case! :P

[Revan]

^ honestly I doubt it is but it really woudn't shock me beyond belief if they did continue to rape his character to death

[Roseangelo]

^ honestly I doubt it is but it really woudn't shock me beyond belief if they did continue to rape his character to death

Oh, I fully expect it... *sigh*

[Revan]

oh sad:cry: really is a shame that he can't mature for longer than 22 minutes before reverting back

[maryshine]

I agree completely. I like the "non-human" short and thick kind of look.

I would like them to be a little taller and I for them to have pupils

[Revan]

Taller than what? They seemed quite capable in previous seasons. Or do you mean taller than the preliminary art?

[maryshine]

Taller than what? They seemed quite capable in previous seasons. Or do you mean taller than the preliminary art?

While I agree that they are quite capable in the previouse seasons, I just feel that they are shorter then most other people. Yeah, I know they aren't human and height has nothing to do with their ability to fight. Yet I just wish they were a little taller then April.

[Tinuvielsdreams]

I think the deal with the top right drawing is the posing more then the sketch. If that mikey stood next to the one below him the upper drawer would end up being taller or at least have longer legs.
The way he is standing seems like a good dynamic Mikey pose though.
It just looks like he is looking at someone thinking "Yeah I am about to kick your butt"
That one and the center left his head is noticeably very small.

It is true that Mikey's build seems to be getting smaller and Raph seems to be getting bigger, I always noticed that in FF when there was really no difference in 2K3. It did bug the heck out of me.

I think in the new movie the size difference was probably because they seemed to be pushing the age difference. You are right Nuetrino Mikey is starting to stand out way too much. I hope these sketches are leading back to the build in 2K3 and if they have to do height/build differences they aren't so drastic. Actually their heights by comparison to everyone else seemed very appropriate in 2K3 too.

I think pupils with masks is a little busy or something, I dunno I just don't really care for it. Plus without pupils looks more hardcore. Pupils are fine if the masks are off.

[Roseangelo]

I think the pupils are part of their attempt to kinda-sorta match the style we saw in the movie. Of course, absolutely nothing else resembles the movie. At all.

[Tinuvielsdreams]

I think the pupils are part of their attempt to kinda-sorta match the style we saw in the movie. Of course, absolutely nothing else resembles the movie. At all.

Haha I know, with the budget cuts we will be lucky if we don't just get some polygons running around on the screen.
Seriously though they need to leave the eyes alone, it just isn't going to look right probably

[Roseangelo]

Haha I know, with the budget cuts we will be lucky if we don't just get some polygons running around on the screen.
Seriously though they need to leave the eyes alone, it just isn't going to look right probably

I actually think it has potential to work if they do it right. They could do it like the teaser trailer where they had no pupils at the start when they were all bad ass.

And then that didn't happen in the actual movie. At all.

[Tinuvielsdreams]

Yeah the scenes where they were jumping rooftops in the dark. That is true they could add them for casual scenes or light scenes and take them out for action or night/shadowy scenes...

[Roseangelo]

Yeah the scenes where they were jumping rooftops in the dark. That is true they could add them for casual scenes or light scenes and take them out for action or night/shadowy scenes...

Exactly. And the concept really isn't radically different from what we have already seen in 2K3 where they suddenly grow pupils if they don't have their masks on.

[Tinuvielsdreams]

ah It's that happy medium I have heard so much about...lol
It all sounds good to me though, let's hope they do it

[Sage Ninja]

^ honestly I doubt it is but it really woudn't shock me beyond belief if they did continue to rape his character to death

and this is what dissapoints me so much as a Michaelangelo fan. 2k3 Mikey could be so great if his character was treated with the same respect as the other turtles. :cry:

We Mikey fans are always getting screwed :roll:

[Drtooth]

and this is what dissapoints me so much as a Michaelangelo fan. 2k3 Mikey could be so great if his character was treated with the same respect as the other turtles. :cry:

We Mikey fans are always getting screwed :roll:

I feel that Mikey pre-FF was where it was at. But then he became some sort of generified child, and the rest of the characters flagged off too. Raph's tough guy demeanor was changed into general crankiness. Donny was just a straight up technogeek. And the worst one was Splinter being a goofy father figure/ generic old person (I gotta watch my stories). I don't mind Mikey being immature, as long as he's still awesome in battle. Remember, they are teenagers that usually want to have fun, but have the heavy burden of their duties as ninjas to hang onto. I could forgive what happened on the level that it's a lighter series, and they didn't have such a general threat, but even then,... lame character writing.

[Tinuvielsdreams]

I like his fun side a lot, I liked him in 2k3 very much actually. I mean he had his moments when he got to be a little too much but he was no where near as goofy as in the recent movie. Mikey seems to have been labeled as the comedy relief.

[Scandia]

I honestly think he was more mature in the 2k7 movie than in the 2k3 cartoon. At least in the movie he had a job and did not do anything horrendously obnoxious. He was clearly the comic relief, but in a good way. If anyone was immature and over the to pin the new movie, it was Raphael.

[Shark_Blade]

I like his fun side a lot, I liked him in 2k3 very much actually. I mean he had his moments when he got to be a little too much but he was no where near as goofy as in the recent movie. Mikey seems to have been labeled as the comedy relief.I agree. In 2k3 toon he was cool, in the cgi movie, he's like a cute 8 year old brother. Isn't he supposed to be a teen? Why the writers treat him like that is beyond me.:cry: And show more of Mikey and his bloody awesome nunchucks! Gah!:x

[Sage Ninja]

I honestly think he was more mature in the 2k7 movie than in the 2k3 cartoon. At least in the movie he had a job and did not do anything horrendously obnoxious.

I agree that CGI movie Mikey seemed much more subdued than 2k3 Mikey, but that could be because we didn't get to see a whole lot of him in the movie to flesh him out as completely as the new toon does.

[Tinuvielsdreams]

Yeah in the movie we didn't get to see as much of Mikey personality wise, and when we did it was often followed by him falling down...lol

I get where you say he is more subdued though, there is no mention of a battle nexus trophy ever. As much as I do enjoy the 2K3 Mikey that was the one thing that got me. It happens with him though, they tend to pick a Mikey gag and kinda run it into the ground.

[Revan]

^ The battle nexus was a fluke. First splinter forfeit the match, then Leo was tranquilized, then Mikey "accidentally" KOed Kluh.
Mike would never with the battlenexus again. :lol:

[TheShowstoppa]

If you think back to the Season 4 episode where Kluh got his rematch, Mikey pretty much whooped his ass. :) So yeah - It's possible Mikey could win again.

[Drtooth]

I have to say, before this becomes a "Mikey is immature" thread, the worst thing to happen to Mikey was "Graduation Day." I hated the fact that they decided to make him the worst ninja in the group. All it did was further dillute the character's child like goofiness with slacker mentality. The idea would have been a prime example for Raph's anger issues clouding his judgement, but they decided to go for something a little more obvious.

I really hope this season avoids as many obvious script ideas, and goes a little deeper, like it did years before.

[AquaParade]

Whenever I get worried, I just try and remember that small bit of info saying this season was gonna go back to the 2k3 feel and tone a little more...but I dont even remember when we were told that or by who.:|

[Sage Ninja]

I have to say, before this becomes a "Mikey is immature" thread, the worst thing to happen to Mikey was "Graduation Day." I hated the fact that they decided to make him the worst ninja in the group. All it did was further dillute the character's child like goofiness with slacker mentality. The idea would have been a prime example for Raph's anger issues clouding his judgement, but they decided to go for something a little more obvious.

I agree why don't put your thoughts on Mikey in here: http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=23369


Whenever I get worried, I just try and remember that small bit of info saying this season was gonna go back to the 2k3 feel and tone a little more...but I dont even remember when we were told that or by who.

it is on the very first page in this thread

[AquaParade]

I agree why don't put your thoughts on Mikey in here: http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=23369




it is on the very first page in this thread

Hmm, I appreciate the help, but I still dont see the quote about them going back to the old darker tone...maybe i missed it?

[AquaParade]

Can someone help me find that quote? It'd be appreciated a lot.

[Sage Ninja]

I really hope this season avoids as many obvious script ideas, and goes a little deeper, like it did years before.

I really hope so too, this is what I really miss with the series. And to chime in on your remark about Graduation Day I didn't really think the episide made Mikey out to be the worst ninja of the bunch, I think it really brought to light how the future has become very distracting to him unreliable.

[Casual Matt]

^ The battle nexus was a fluke. First splinter forfeit the match, then Leo was tranquilized, then Mikey "accidentally" KOed Kluh.
Mike would never with the battlenexus again. :lol:

Well, Mikey did beat Raphael fair and square. And he beat Kluh in the rematch, so he really did earn his trophy.

But if Leonardo hadn't been taken out by the Ultimate Ninja's dart, he probably would have won, assuming he got past Usagi.

[Sage Ninja]

wasn't it stated some where by Peter Laird that Usagi is a more skilled fighter than Leonardo is? If that is true than I think if the fight had continued than Leo would have been taken out by Usagi and Usagi probably would have won the championship.

by the way I really hope we see Usagi and Gen again in the next season. I really like the friendship that Leo and him share. They are so alike.

[maryshine]

by the way I really hope we see Usagi and Gen again in the next season. I really like the friendship that Leo and him share. They are so alike.

I do too!! my favorite ep. is "Samirui Torist." because of those two.

[Casual Matt]

Okay, I just finished watching Season Six the other day, and as far as the Cyber Shredder in Season Seven goes...

...and how likely it is that it's going to be Viral. I mean she got her code ripped apart in Episode 142, The Day of Awakening.

Of course, it's definitely not unheard of for people to come back from seeming to be dead in this show. Heck, the flurry of recurring characters is probably my favorite thing about it. And since Viral is a computer program, it's entirely possible she had a backup of herself stored somewhere. It worked well enough for Professor Honeycutt.

Heck, her seeming to be dead could give her an advantage. When the Turtles are hopping through whatever time gate they manage to open to get home, Viral could probably hack into the machine and get sucked through time herself without being expected.

Anyway, it should be interesting if Viral does make it to the present time. She was a complex program in 2105, unlike anything Cody had seen. In the present time, she'd be the most powerful computer program on Earth by far.

[VaughnMichael]

Okay, I just finished watching Season Six the other day, and as far as the Cyber Shredder in Season Seven goes...

...and how likely it is that it's going to be Viral. I mean she got her code ripped apart in Episode 142, The Day of Awakening.

Of course, it's definitely not unheard of for people to come back from seeming to be dead in this show. Heck, the flurry of recurring characters is probably my favorite thing about it. And since Viral is a computer program, it's entirely possible she had a backup of herself stored somewhere. It worked well enough for Professor Honeycutt.

Heck, her seeming to be dead could give her an advantage. When the Turtles are hopping through whatever time gate they manage to open to get home, Viral could probably hack into the machine and get sucked through time herself without being expected.

Anyway, it should be interesting if Viral does make it to the present time. She was a complex program in 2105, unlike anything Cody had seen. In the present time, she'd be the most powerful computer program on Earth by far.
BINGO! Give The Turtle A Prize!

[AquaParade]

I think Viral will be in the next season, but I hope she's separate from anyone else. Being such a powerful computer, she could probably be her own villain and have her own arc or standalone episodes of some sort. Her mind could create a whole computer world for the turtles to deal with. Why waste two good villains by merging them?

[VaughnMichael]

I think Viral will be in the next season, but I hope she's separate from anyone else. Being such a powerful computer, she could probably be her own villain and have her own arc or standalone episodes of some sort. Her mind could create a whole computer world for the turtles to deal with. Why waste two good villains by merging them?
To keep things fresh, She may just be behind everything and know of the turtles past to create this evil cyber world.

[AquaParade]

Ya, that could work for me too....
I'm pretty excited for a Cyber-Shredder to be honest...I've always wanted something like that since Tournament fighters...different idea, but it's still a Cyber Shredder.

[VaughnMichael]

Ya, that could work for me too....
I'm pretty excited for a Cyber-Shredder to be honest...I've always wanted something like that since Tournament fighters...different idea, but it's still a Cyber Shredder.
Agreed, I always wanted to know the Tournament Fighter Cyber Shredders story, like how he came about and all that.
Man I was sooooo obsessed with that game.:lol: