The CONFIRMED New Season [Archive] - The Technodrome Forums

Splinter's Iroonna

10-24-2007, 09:21 AM

New season has been agreed upon by all three powers-that-be!

"The Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles are back in New York, ready to race across the rooftops and take on all challengers!

"Not only are Casey and April back and ready to bust some bad guy butt, but a brand new, super advanced Turtle Lair is under construction (thanks to some hi-tech know-how Donatello garnered from the future), and, of course, there are all sorts of new heavy duty Turtle vehicles gearing up to roar down the streets of NYC and give the Foot a taste of some serious Turtle firepower!

"The stakes have never been higher, their enemies have never been stronger... and if the Turtles are going to be triumphant they’ll need to work together in ways they never have before."

That's the pitch, and Mirage, 4Kids, and Playmates have all agreed.

Check out Murphy's blog...

http://the-5th-turtle.blogspot.com/2007/10/2008-tmnt-cartoon-series-update.html

The part that concerns me is the description of the new "style" of the animation.....

*sighs*

Raph's Girl

10-24-2007, 10:58 AM

Well with all the new gadgets we have new toys. I wonder what the new lair will look like??

I also wonder if Don will be using those round vehicle things he rides on in the opening sequence of Fast Forward. Mostly wondering since those are REAL vehicles. I've seen em on the news alot lately for the cars of the future shows.

Spawn Guy

10-24-2007, 11:02 AM

Because Don invented them!

ZariusTwo

10-24-2007, 11:27 AM

Oh christ...

The Turtles are going to be driving f*cking cars arent they?

VaughnMichael

10-24-2007, 11:36 AM

Oh christ...

The Turtles are going to be driving f*cking cars arent they?
I'm not happy about this either. Not at all.:ohwell:

sdp

10-24-2007, 11:39 AM

Could a Mod make Splinter's Iroonna post be made into a new thread?

Now that its confirmed we don't need this huge thread of speculation.

ZariusTwo

10-24-2007, 11:41 AM

So I can expect Karai piloting a helicopter that turns into a jet?:)

ZariusTwo

10-24-2007, 11:45 AM

At the request of sdp

New season has been agreed upon by all three powers-that-be!

That's the pitch, and Mirage, 4Kids, and Playmates have all agreed.

Check out Murphy's blog...

http://the-5th-turtle.blogspot.com/2007/10/2008-tmnt-cartoon-series-update.html

The part that concerns me is the description of the new "style" of the animation.....

*sighs*

VaughnMichael

10-24-2007, 11:48 AM

So um what are the other elements from overload...the wacky crazy Internet guy.
Their enemies? Who have we got left like Hun, Savanti, Rat King, & touch & Go?
I really hope they remember things from FF having the turtles get used to the past again would make for good story telling.
I still say "Ultimate TMNT" is so much better of an idea why couldn't they take ideas from that and implement them into 2k3 and FF's story. *sigh*

Cure

10-24-2007, 11:59 AM

Sounds OK to me. Let's see where they roll with it.

ZariusTwo

10-24-2007, 11:59 AM

They dont have to "get used to the past" considering it's old ground and they probably returned seconds after they left

Scandia

10-24-2007, 12:02 PM

The description sounds good. They are changing lairs a bit too often- but who knows exactly what "new lair" means. It may be just Donatello adding new goodies to the Central Park lair.

The picture in the entry freaked me out at first. I do not want a CG TMNT series. Usually CG stuff ends up being all style and no substance.

Anyhow, these news totally made my day. Long live TMNT!

Drtooth

10-24-2007, 12:04 PM

This sounds very good. A perfect medium between what we want to see with the show, and what will keep the toy companies and 4Kids happy. I don't like hearing the art will be "stylized"- or triangular blockized like FF, but if it means we get the show to continue, I'm just happy with what it sounds so far. hopefully no "baby" turtles in a non-flashback episode. And I'm sure they'll find some use for FF in there as well. As long as we get some sort of closing.

Scandia

10-24-2007, 12:09 PM

Streamlined does not necessarily mean totally angular like FF. It may be rounded like the first 5 seasons of 2k3, but with not as many details. Perhaps not as much attention to background and clothing- but the organic characters still look organic.

CyberCubed

10-24-2007, 12:20 PM

The only thing that worries me is the animation. It sounds like they have an even lower budget here than with FF...what the hell are the TMNT going to look like?

Splinter's Iroonna

10-24-2007, 12:30 PM

Murphy posted a response in his blog that the gadgets and vehicles were aimed at Playmates more or less-- you know, more toys to make/sell.

I'm looking forward to this, no question, but I'd sure like to see some of the plans for artwork. And if they're fighting the Foot, perhaps someone has taken over from Karai? Or a WAR perhaps?

Anyway, tis good to know that things are finally moving forward, though not so fast....:roll:

odupianist

10-24-2007, 12:39 PM

There's a lot they can do with the station in Central Park. I worry about the animation too. I'm afraid though with the "new cars and vehicles" that this will be like Power Rangers Turbo lol. Maybe all the cars will morph into a zord!

Splinter's Iroonna

10-24-2007, 12:42 PM

OMG! Or like that Japanese version of the Turtles...

:o

Drtooth

10-24-2007, 12:46 PM

The only thing that worries me is the animation. It sounds like they have an even lower budget here than with FF...what the hell are the TMNT going to look like?

As I posted earlier, I hope they don't look like this:
http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb174/drslumptooth/ppppp.jpg

VaughnMichael

10-24-2007, 12:47 PM

They dont have to "get used to the past" considering it's old ground and they probably returned seconds after they left
Unless they do some sort of memory sweep I'm sure at least Michaelangelo will have issues with not having a lazy cushie rich life anymore.

ZariusTwo

10-24-2007, 01:18 PM

As I posted earlier, I hope they don't look like this:
http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb174/drslumptooth/ppppp.jpg

"I dont know if they can see this, but I'm doing it as hard as I can"

Fledermaus

10-24-2007, 01:33 PM

Thank you Zarius for the (at last) REAL news. *reads*

The animation style will also be a bit more streamlined or stylized (depending on your point of view) in order to bring the per episode budget down a bit... but it won't be as low as these Mii avatars. I hope.

Ah crap. :x

Does he mean more stylized than 2k3 or more stylized than FF? Either way this news pisses me off. I respect shows that have excellent visual design (and animation). Part of why 2k3 hooked me at the beginning was because of its design (playing off of night/shadow and stark lighting themes). I only hope that the second revamp compensates its animation with good (and more dignified) characters and stories.

Not only are Casey and April back and ready to bust some bad guy butt, but a brand new, super advanced Turtle Lair is under construction (thanks to some hi-tech know-how Donatello garnered from the future), and, of course, there are all sorts of new heavy duty Turtle vehicles gearing up to roar down the streets of NYC and give the Foot a taste of some serious Turtle firepower!

... I seriously hope there's more to the revamp than this. It's teenage MUTANT NINJA turtles, not robo-gundam let's fight with our powerful futuristic electronic weapons turtles. Sorry, I don't find this enticing. If they're gonna go for a sci-fi edge, I prefer one that has something to do with the mutant-y side of the turtles. (Part of why I liked Agent Bishop as a villain.)

I'm also disappointed that the lair is being changed again. I really admired the design of the season 4 lair (underground -- I could care less for the sugarland castle above ground) -- it contributed to a darker, more serious mood, and most importantly characterized the "Sewer" feel that was definitely missing in the bright orange and turquoise blue of the Y'lintean lair. I was hoping the series pitches would recognize the good ideas and build on them.

EDIT: Okay, having read Murphy's comments to other people's comments on his blog... my impression is that this won't be as thoughtless as the Fast Forward concept.

I'm still not clear on whether the show will "get back to basics" ... seems like it will definitely have a technology bent to it. Can still go either way. So long as they get the stories, scripts, characters, action and tone right, whatever technological, nano, alien, save-the-digital-world schtick this series tries to pull should be nevertheless enjoyable.

Lady R. Santi

10-24-2007, 02:40 PM

Sounds alright. Just wish they'd let me design the new look :P

Seriously, I'm concerned about the budget's bearing on the animation. Even a great character design can be ruined by shoddy animation.

BubblyShell22

10-24-2007, 03:06 PM

I'm not too worried about the animation, to be honest. All I care about is that the season is confirmed and that the Turtles will indeed be back in the present. Now, all we can do is wait and see what happens.

Spitfire

10-24-2007, 04:34 PM

Don't worry about the animation guys, I bet you anything the show will look like or similar to season 5, which was pretty low budget.

I'm happy to hear their bringing back the seriousness of the series, FF is great, had it continued I would be happy, but if they refuse to go that way then I'd rather a return to serious turtles then a jump into something like that baby idea. And I hope to god they steer away from comic adaptations unless their going to do them right.

For villains they still have Bishop, Baxter, Rat King, Garbageman, Hun, Karai could always reform*I know tiresome*, Savanti, I wouldn't mind some comic baddies if they'd give them either new stories or stick very closely to their comic stories.

Scandia

10-24-2007, 04:59 PM

Season 5 looked great to me. I have absolutely no complaints about it.

They could show some healing of Leo's shell, if that is possible.

Spitfire

10-24-2007, 05:01 PM

Season 5 looked great to me. I have absolutely no complaints about it.

Watch it again, there's a pretty obvious drop in quality, mainly in the backgrounds. The last few episodes show it the most.

They could show some healing of Leo's shell, if that is possible.
I think they just decided to pretend that never happened...

Drtooth

10-24-2007, 05:09 PM

gobo

10-24-2007, 05:16 PM

I'm surprised they went with such low-gimickery, but I'm sure it won't turn out to be as perfect as it sounds. I have a feeling this idea was decided upon out of weariness. I think it's a great idea, but I halfway expect the exhausted spirits to show in the eps.

ZariusTwo

10-24-2007, 05:35 PM

Apparently I hear they're only going to have 13 episodes instead of 26. This could mean one of 3 things.

A) If the Turtles are to have a season 9, then this is just a temporary series until they can think of another gimick in which all parties will be happy.

B ) Not going the same route they did with Fast Forward, and only doing one season at a time. If it's successful, then another season is guaranteed. if not, they'll end the series earlier with some sort of closure, which FF didn't have.

C) This is the last of TMNT we'll ever see. At least, until the next 5 years pass.

I agree, the recent conflicts, and the fact it took three attempts to even gurantee a new season, means that it's going to be harder pitching things for the next few seasons. Once you start thinking about how you can sell the series diffferently than what had come before, that's when the episode length gets shorter and shorter so they can prepare the next toyline.

We're seeing the trust and stability of these three companies slowly disintergrate, and it's causing us to panic more

Mandi-chan

10-24-2007, 05:41 PM

I'll check it out, but I'm not getting my hopes up for this new "season"...I don't want to get disappointed again like I was with the "Fast Forward" stuff.

Drtooth

10-24-2007, 05:48 PM

We're seeing the trust and stability of these three companies slowly disintergrate, and it's causing us to panic more

Honestly, if this is the last TMNT series we see by 4Kids, their Kid's WB line up is going to be interresting. I don't know if it's rumor or fact, but Japanese entertainment companies don't trust them anymore. They have no money to make their own shows. And I do not think they'll be able to keep Spiderman and Legion of Superheroes on that long with their budget.

4Kids needs TMNT. That's pretty much the only non-pokemon success they had.

ToTheNines

10-24-2007, 05:54 PM

Sounds decent, the only thing that peeves me is the animation sacrifice.

Masked Ninja

10-24-2007, 06:11 PM

Spitfire

10-24-2007, 06:25 PM

I though tout sourcing was cheap? I'm surprised they don't just do that. It's hard to believe Dong Woo was so expensive they couldn't afford to use it anymore.

Laird funded season 5 didn't he? I think he could pay for half of this new series and get the show some good animation.

ZariusTwo

10-24-2007, 06:31 PM

The profits from the movie merchandise would easily help.

Spitfire

10-24-2007, 06:33 PM

Exactly what I'm thinking, I mean he has to be making some kind of money off this. Unless he has some unknown debts to pay off.

VaughnMichael

10-24-2007, 06:38 PM

Exactly what I'm thinking, I mean he has to be making some kind of money off this. Unless he has some unknown debts to pay off.
Yes he's got a family and a daughter in college ;)

Roseangelo

10-24-2007, 06:41 PM

Honestly... the animation factor doesn't concern me. All I really want is good, solid writing.

Splinter's Iroonna

10-24-2007, 06:54 PM

I am with you with the writing-- but I would love to see the 2K3 animation as well-- but I know I'm not gonna get it--

But on the OTHER hand, I do NOT share the "OMG end of the series" views of others. Sue me, I'm an optimist.

CyberCubed

10-24-2007, 06:54 PM

As long as ratings and toys sales do fine, I don't see this being the last season. I agree that the 13 episode decision was probably decided because its far too late to pressure for anything else, but it could be good news to see what happens next.

Coola Yagami

10-24-2007, 06:57 PM

This could be pretty awesome. I mean, they could handle some eps on-

-The Turtles readjusting to hiding in the shadows when they didn't have to in the future
-Karai finally reforming and helping out when needed
-More Rat King, Savanti, maybe even Shoate and Bloodsucker
-More of Hun
-the conflict with the next time they face Bishop (we can't kill him, he becomes a good guy in the future!!)

-Worms of Madness???

Spitfire

10-24-2007, 07:00 PM

-Worms of Madness???

They can't do that one since the real Shredder is destroyed beyond the point of resurrection, and the Utrom Shredder is banished on an ice asteroid so he's probably frozen to death now, and if he isn't the worms wouldn't be the same thing.

I'd like to see it but I don't think they could pull it off.

Drtooth

10-24-2007, 07:10 PM

I could clearly see the 13 episodes as being an antidote for the biggest sin of FF. And that was that they thought it would run longer than it actually did. Maybe they're just ordering 13 episodes as of now, and if things go well, 13 more later.

Honsetly, TMNT is the on;y real success, as I said, 4Kids has had on its own network. If they're going to take over after CBS got greedy and cut of kid's WB, they need TMNT as part of that line up.

Roseangelo

10-24-2007, 07:17 PM

If the movie gets the go ahead, I would expect the cartoon to stick around until at least the release of that.

Spitfire

10-24-2007, 07:31 PM

If the movie gets the go ahead, I would expect the cartoon to stick around until at least the release of that.

Doesn't it already? I thought the only hold back is contracting on who will do the animation.

Roseangelo

10-24-2007, 07:33 PM

Doesn't it already? I thought the only hold back is contracting on who will do the animation.

No, nothing is confirmed on any level.

Mr. Stay Puft

10-24-2007, 07:40 PM

Why is everyone calling the 2008 season Season 8? Isn't it technically Season 7, with FF being Season 6 and TLS being Season 5?

McGoose

10-24-2007, 07:56 PM

Why is everyone calling the 2008 season Season 8? Isn't it technically Season 7, with FF being Season 6 and TLS being Season 5?

I've been asking myself that too, confusing...

Buslady

10-24-2007, 08:23 PM

Sounds alright. Just wish they'd let me design the new look :P

You'd break the budget Bess....yeah I'd like to see that!!!!!!!!!!!! Animate your turtles with all the detail you put in them....ohhh man...it'd be truly ultimate and realistic :D

ZariusTwo

10-24-2007, 08:27 PM

Why is everyone calling the 2008 season Season 8? Isn't it technically Season 7, with FF being Season 6 and TLS being Season 5?

That goes back to the original intention of giving FF a short final season to wrap itself up. Obviously those unproduced episodes still count as canon as far as Murphy is concerned.

Dragon Turtle

10-24-2007, 10:50 PM

So I can expect Karai piloting a helicopter that turns into a jet?:)

I believe Karai is more of a motorcycle with a releasable submarine sidecar type of gal.:)

I wonder if "streamlined or stylized", are just code for "Chaotic" style flash animation.:ohwell:

Leonardo Mystic

10-24-2007, 11:16 PM

So long as the animation of the Turtles doesn't let them look like cotton candy pastels and Lego blocks like that of FF, I'll be satisfied with this new series. I loved the Turtles' chubby round cheeks and darker colors. That's all I ask to want back.

Wildcat

10-24-2007, 11:55 PM

This news sounds good to me...not too worried about the animation either,I mean it cant look so bad that its un-watchable.

Something Iv wondered about,if they were too go back to present time(which they are now) is...what are thier relationships and feelings towards enemies,like Bishop,gonna be?

Like will they wanna somehow "save" Bishop and work around his evilness knowing that he becomes President in the future and is no longer a villian?

Plus a bunch of other things too...they could kill off Darius Dunn waaaaay before he's even born...I mean knowing so much about the future,they could stop alot of things from happening...I know Im thinking way to deep into it....but this why I think a fresh start is best,cause carrying on like this....Fast Forward will always get in the way of storylines and is just too hard to work around it.

R-iZZy

10-25-2007, 12:11 AM

An even LOWER budget? What the f***? I won't be surprised if the new season has the Turtles looking like 8-bit NES characters.

Coola Yagami

10-25-2007, 12:28 AM

well, they might deal with some kinda episode where they run ino Darius Dun's grandfather or something, and then in the end decide that if they alter history, they're do more harm than good and just leave him alone.

10-25-2007, 02:32 AM

I'm reserving judgement until I see it, but news of more art style corner-cutting is worrisome for me. There are some designs that will not animate well, no matter how talented the animators are. I'm just hoping that if it is simplified even more, it's in a way that will let it move well onscreen.

And back to the dark alleyways, please?
Same here. I just wish that they go back to the old 2k3 style. It was great until 4Kids decided to "help" it. The character design rapeage revamp kind of killed all love of the show for me... :ohwell: Hopefully things will look good on screen. I seriously hope to the love of 2D animation that it will look good.

And yeah...if anyone working on the new season is reading this...

DARK ALLEYWAYS ARE GOOD!!

We miss them. And the shadows... :cry:

Lady R. Santi

10-25-2007, 05:03 AM

You'd break the budget Bess....yeah I'd like to see that!!!!!!!!!!!! Animate your turtles with all the detail you put in them....ohhh man...it'd be truly ultimate and realistic :D

No no, I just unveiled my grand plan over at Mikey's. It's cheaper than cheap! :P

This is funny, my husband and I were just talking about the old batman approach. I was joking that *I* could do the animation, make it Gorey style, black and white, comic frames and on the computer...for cheap...you know, individual frames, blurred backgrounds to show motion, big KAPOWS! and sweat drops replacing 99% of emotions.:lol:

Ok...maybe not.:roll:

odupianist

10-25-2007, 07:41 AM

Lady, you might be on to something there. The animation could be like 2k3 but in BLACK AND WHITE. No color should help lower the budget right?

As for Bishop not being able to be killed, it's actually totally possible that he does get killed. Future can be rewritten once they're back in the good ole days.

Drtooth

10-25-2007, 09:54 AM

That goes back to the original intention of giving FF a short final season to wrap itself up. Obviously those unproduced episodes still count as canon as far as Murphy is concerned.

I was under the impression FF was broken up into 2 13 episode seasons. So season 1 of FF counts as 6, and Season 2 counted as 7.

Lady, you might be on to something there. The animation could be like 2k3 but in BLACK AND WHITE. No color should help lower the budget right?

I don't see how that makes a difference if it's digital Ink and paint. The only way a BW series would be the slightest bit cheaper is if they were just outlines, and that wouldn't look good at all. Especially if you don't have a High Def TV or a digital cable hook up.

Time Mistress

10-25-2007, 10:37 AM

The concept sounds okay, better than the others, but the animation is wait and see for sure.

Sage Ninja

10-25-2007, 11:46 AM

I'm pleased with this news, since it is going back to the present with them in the city and fighting the classic bad guys and April and Casey are coming back. And if it is a bit more Sci-Fi I don't mind so long as they keep the urban feel and story lijnes. The animation...I'm just going to wait it out and see what is in stored.

Mutated Leo

10-25-2007, 02:12 PM

Put me on the I'm just damn glad its not a card game show list!!

:lol::lol::lol:

Drtooth

10-25-2007, 02:28 PM

Put me on the I'm just damn glad its not a card game show list!!

I wonder why the thought that making it a card game would be profitable, since the TMNT CCG was a failure.

I really REALLY REALLY hope this is animated like the last 2 shows. I would hate to see it Flash animated, and look as uggo as Chaotic does.

Stephen

10-25-2007, 02:33 PM

Well with all the new gadgets we have new toys. I wonder what the new lair will look like??

Maybe the pumping station lair falls into disrepair while they were gone, or Karai might still be evil and have the foot destroy it (since she know where it is) Or maybe it's just the Turtles preference to move somewhere new.

BubblyShell22

10-25-2007, 02:41 PM

Or they stay in the pumping station, but Don adds some things he think would look neat for them. We'll have to wait and see on that. I can't see the Turtles just deciding to move out after they just moved into the new Lair.

Mutated Leo

10-25-2007, 02:50 PM

Maybe they will bring the Hover Shell lair from the future and not have to be on the ground.

Wanda

10-25-2007, 03:12 PM

super advanced Turtle Lair is under construction (thanks to some hi-tech know-how Donatello garnered from the future)

Oh no...I guess this means that the FF -episodes weren't just a real bad dream as I hoped they would turn out to be...:ohwell:

Though that part saying the new season will be "less humorous" sounds good. :tthumbsu:

Lady R. Santi

10-25-2007, 03:22 PM

Maybe the pumping station lair falls into disrepair while they were gone, or Karai might still be evil and have the foot destroy it (since she know where it is) Or maybe it's just the Turtles preference to move somewhere new.

-->Maybe I shouldn't have written "new lair" so much as "lair revamped by Don in a futuristic fashion." ;)

Doesn't sound like they're moving.

Mutated Leo

10-25-2007, 04:06 PM

I guess I should stop singing that Jeffersons theme song now!

:D:D:D

Lady R. Santi

10-25-2007, 04:57 PM

LOL. Good one :lol:

Leonardo_Warrior_Turtle

10-25-2007, 06:51 PM

I like the sound of it, minus the "streamlined or stylized in order to bring the per episode budget down a bit" thing. I absolutely HATE the way the Turtles look in FF. It really can't be that expensive to go back to the 2k3 style of animation. We are talking about 2D animation. Perhaps FF animation is just quicker to put together, thus making it cheaper. Hopefully they just don't do that. If they are taking there time with this new concept, might as well take their time with the animation. I for one am excited about the return to 2k3. Hopefully the Karai storyline picks right back up....and for God sake's give Leo back his deformed shell. Would be nice to see the Ninja Tribunal come back. As well as have Bishop be a bad guy again. Man, do I miss 2k3. Goodbye FF!!! :)

Oh, forgot to mention this guys. Ninja Tribunal, aka Season 5, is airing this spring. I know chronologically FF takes places after it but what if NT is successful in the ratings and we get some really awesome toys after it? Will we see elements that were introduced in NT to be introduced in the fall of 2008?

Spitfire

10-25-2007, 08:21 PM

Oh, forgot to mention this guys. Ninja Tribunal, aka Season 5, is airing this spring. I know chronologically FF takes places after it but what if NT is successful in the ratings and we get some really awesome toys after it? Will we see elements that were introduced in NT to be introduced in the fall of 2008?

Playmates supposedly is trying to milk the movie line longer instead, stupid ass idea but that's what their going to do.

Wildcat

10-25-2007, 09:17 PM

Oh, forgot to mention this guys. Ninja Tribunal, aka Season 5, is airing this spring. I know chronologically FF takes places after it but what if NT is successful in the ratings and we get some really awesome toys after it? Will we see elements that were introduced in NT to be introduced in the fall of 2008?

WHAO! I never thought of that...there were tons of things in the "Lost Season" I wanted as toys...I hope that happens.

Leonardo_Warrior_Turtle

10-25-2007, 09:38 PM

WHAO! I never thought of that...there were tons of things in the "Lost Season" I wanted as toys...I hope that happens.

They can do so much. Let me list all the toys they can do.

The Entire Ninja Tribunal
Demon Shredder
The Turtles with the amulets and weapons
The human Acolytes
The Dragon Turtles
Mystic Ninjas
new Turtle Titan
Nano
The Ancient One
Splinter in his new digs

:o C'mon Playmates!!! Make it happen!!!

Spitfire

10-25-2007, 09:56 PM

Yeah they'll take the "Mystic Fury" figures from 2 years ago and add different weapons. Love the figures faces they all look like their crapping out glass.

VaughnMichael

10-25-2007, 10:04 PM

Wildcat

10-25-2007, 10:11 PM

They can do so much. Let me list all the toys they can do.

The Entire Ninja Tribunal
Demon Shredder
The Turtles with the amulets and weapons
The human Acolytes
The Dragon Turtles
Mystic Ninjas
new Turtle Titan
Nano
The Ancient One
Splinter in his new digs

:o C'mon Playmates!!! Make it happen!!!

Yeah I want the Dragon Turtles

Demon Shredder

The Mystic Turtles(with thier glowing body markings w/weapons)

Nano

and maybe Im the only one that would like this...but...I really liked that modified taxi Don made with all the cool armor and weapons,but it was just shown for like less than half an episode til it crashed....so even if FF never happend and everything went on as normal....I doubt it would have ever been made.

Splinter's Iroonna

10-25-2007, 10:13 PM

...and then we tuned in, and saw a freaking STILL shot of Raph, and yet someone's LIPS were moving in his face....

http://www.toontracker.com/clutchcargo/cargo.htm

Okay, that's not gonna happen.

I am gonna look on the Bright Side! I like HUMOR, but it has to be clever-- the best humor is interwoven in the drama-- and 2K3 during the Leo/angst period had plenty--

Anyway, Yay for finally deciding! I'm guessing the 13 eps are because they took so damn long to decide (and that is HOW I choose to look at it).

:D:D:D:D

YAY! NEW Turtle toons!!!

OMG! I hope they keep the same VAs!!!!!!!

gobo

10-26-2007, 12:42 AM

I won't be surprised if the new season has the Turtles looking like 8-bit NES characters.
:o That sounds freakin' SWEET!! :D
well, they might deal with some kinda episode where they run ino Darius Dun's grandfather or something, and then in the end decide that if they alter history, they're do more harm than good and just leave him alone.
Is the great grandfather of Darius Dunn actually the nefarious Hun? O_o Stay tuned to find out... :goof:
As for Bishop not being able to be killed, it's actually totally possible that he does get killed. Future can be rewritten once they're back in the good ole days.
It would be really awesome for the Turtles to have to watch in horror as Bishop is killed. Then, they'd assume that the future has been rewritten, but according to the destined sense of time so blatantly set-up by Fast Forward (in episode 2, Cody reveals that Don helped found O'Neil Tech even though he hadn't lived trough that part of his life yet), they find out that Bishop was revived later or that it wasn't even really Bishop who was killed.
I was under the impression FF was broken up into 2 13 episode seasons. So season 1 of FF counts as 6, and Season 2 counted as 7.
I completely forgot that this decision was made at one point... Thanks for reminding me. That is likely why Murph thinks it'll be Season 8. Even though I can't wrap my head around thinking of >> as two seasons since they didn't save but the last 4 eps out of 26 for the Fall '07 season, it does have more numerical harmony that way. Compare: 26 - 26 - 26 - 26 - 12 - 26 - 13 or 26 - 26 - 26 - 26 - 12 - 13 - 13 - 13. But, don't call me Rain Man. I never shop at K-Mart... or at least not for underwear. :sweatdro:
Maybe the pumping station lair falls into disrepair while they were gone, or Karai might still be evil and have the foot destroy it (since she knows where it is) Or maybe it's just the Turtles preference to move somewhere new.
When did Karai find the new one? O_o Just having been there (in a semi-conscious state no less) doesn't necessarily mean she knows how to get back there.
Though that part saying the new season will be "less humorous" sounds good. :tthumbsu:
I almost agree with that. But, I hope they go for 'less of a joke' than just 'less joking'. Like how the first 4 Seasons were. Realistic joking was allowed, but it wasn't the plot. We do need it to have comic relief unless we want to see it pegged as only a cult-hit.

BTW, I still plan on PMing you back. It's just a lot to respond to. :)Will we see elements that were introduced in NT to be introduced in the fall of 2008?
Well, duh... We saw said elements in >>.
...and then we tuned in, and saw a freaking STILL shot of Raph, and yet someone's LIPS were moving in his face....

http://www.toontracker.com/clutchcargo/cargo.htm

Okay, that's not gonna happen.
Maybe. IF YOU STOP GIVING THEM CORNER-CUTTING IDEAS! :x
j/k :goof:

Scandia

10-26-2007, 04:42 AM

I do not want Leo to have the injured shell back. It makes no sense. Leo's shell has healed. Turtle shells heal- the damage is not permanent.

odupianist

10-26-2007, 07:41 AM

I have to agree, how does Karai know about the new place?

Splinter's Iroonna

10-26-2007, 08:33 AM

Drtooth

10-26-2007, 08:42 AM

You see, I on;t see why THOSE kind of turtle varients wouldn't be made, but we got Mutant Sports Turtles. At least rerelease the Mystic Turtles in 4 packs or something.

Too bad they're deciding to go with the movie line that they're just making stories up with now. Alien Hunters indeed.

CyberCubed

10-26-2007, 08:55 AM

Colliwog

10-26-2007, 09:02 AM

....and for God sake's give Leo back his deformed shell.

Ooh, you know, that didn't even occur to me- Leo's shell healing during FF. Is there an episode where one of them specifically notes that his shell is healing/has healed? I don't normally watch FF, sorry. :tanime:

Scandia

10-26-2007, 09:24 AM

I think the 13 episodes are just the late decision. It takes time to do a whole season- especially one with GOOD plots.

I do wish they had shown the gradual healing of Leo's shell. If there is any point where it should have shown the major change, it should have been at the beginning of "Scion of the Shredder", with more detail during "Prodigal Son".

Stephen

10-26-2007, 12:00 PM

I have to agree, how does Karai know about the new place?

She was meditating there with Splinter and Ancient One in "Enter The Dragons Pt.1"

Jester

10-26-2007, 01:32 PM

Anyon see this:
This next phase of the show will feature new art direction that will tie the 2003 toon designs into the animated movie style by Imagi!

Why do I wonder if April and Casey will be really thin and the TMNT will look like Popeye clones.

The Terror of Death

10-26-2007, 01:34 PM

I found out what Crapfest 08 is going to be.

CyberCubed

10-26-2007, 01:40 PM

I see that as an indication that the Turtles will look like their movie counterparts...meaning they may actually have pupils this time! :o

Drtooth

10-26-2007, 02:13 PM

Anyon see this:

Why do I wonder if April and Casey will be really thin and the TMNT will look like Popeye clones.

Where did you find that? I looked all over his blog for that info, and didn't see it.

I found out what Crapfest 08 is going to be.
Care to elaborate? Is it something we already know, or something that you just found out and can't tell us.

Frankly, I LIKE the idea they're trying to incorporate some of the movie into the show. Yes, it doesn't fit in with the canon, but I was hugely disappointed when all they did to incorperate the Simpsons movie into the show was showing the town being rebuilt in an opening, and forgetting about everything else.

Jester

10-26-2007, 02:32 PM

It's on www.ninjaturtles.com...note the quote itself.

tcclives23

10-26-2007, 02:38 PM

Oh no...I guess this means that the FF -episodes weren't just a real bad dream as I hoped they would turn out to be...:ohwell:

Though that part saying the new season will be "less humorous" sounds good. :tthumbsu:

Yeah but "less humorous" shouldn't be too hard to do since FF wasn't even funny to begin with. Although I am pleased that it is getting back to the serious tones.

gobo

10-26-2007, 02:45 PM

It's on www.ninjaturtles.com...note the quote itself.
If that's the source of that particular piece of information, we may be able to chalk it up as just Dan getting his info confused (since, once upon a time, the next season was slated to have the movie-look). Until some other insider gives this info, my fingers are crossed that it was a mistake. I seriously hate when they do things like that. :evil:

Lady R. Santi

10-26-2007, 02:49 PM

Hmmmm....2K3 meets cgi? No. Too expensive. 2K3 meets popeye? :lol: That's TOTALLY possible!!! Thank you for the mental image Jester!

Colliwog

10-26-2007, 03:36 PM

Aww man, I was really hoping they wouldn't use the cg movie designs. :ohwell:

Mutated Leo

10-26-2007, 04:02 PM

Well at least TMNT is not dead. I think everyone can agree on that. Cant please everyone specially Dromers... Sheesh!

:D

CyberCubed

10-26-2007, 04:03 PM

sdp

10-26-2007, 04:31 PM

Do you guys think next season was only ordered as a 13 episode season because of the late decision on the direction? Or if the 13 eps move into production quickly they'll order another 13 to bring it up to 26? Didn't something like that happen with the new Spiderman cartoon, where it got moved up from 13 to a 26 ep season that's going to air on KidsWB in the spring?

Who knows but there has been a trend on them wanting 13,

the lost season was 13 episodes, I believe i've heard they just "cut down" the filler and also remember reading that it was always meant to be 13 episodes.

FF while 26 episodes were produced didn't 4K!ds always mention it as two 13 episode seasons?

So who knows, of course I'd prefer 26 episode seasons as it means twice as many episodes so it'd be good if its only 13 to "test" how this new "format" works.

Colliwog

10-26-2007, 04:53 PM

No no, I agree- I'm very glad that the series is continuing! I can't wait to see the Turtles come home. :) I'm sorry.

gobo

10-26-2007, 05:07 PM

*struggles to see why making the designs look like the movie is a bad thing*
Not necessarily bad. Just kinda frustrating that they're still trying to reinvent the show rather than just letting it go back to something that needed no repairs. It's the same argument as the one about incorporating things created especially for 2K3 into the Mirage books. Why don't we just merge all the Turtle-verses and be done with it. Then, there'll only be one TMNT. How wouldn't that be a good thing? :P
FF while 26 episodes were produced didn't 4K!ds always mention it as two 13 episode seasons?
They only mentioned this idea about a month before ep 13, "The Journal", aired because 4Kids wanted to save the other half for the fall. Then, ep 14, "The Gaminator", aired, and it seemed they had nixed that idea. But, since they technically didn't polish off all 26 within the time-frame of a year, there were a handful of FF eps that were considered 'second season' going by broadcast seasons. It just wasn't nearly 13. :ohwell:

Coola Yagami

10-26-2007, 07:44 PM

I do agree with the whole 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it' but ratings were dropping sometime during season 4 so apparently something was broken.

Scandia

10-26-2007, 07:57 PM

I wonder if the ratings dropped in part due to the angry traumatized Leo. Some people may not have realized that this change was not likely to be permanent- and it was not.

Spitfire

10-26-2007, 08:07 PM

They dropped because kids don't give a crap about drama, or back story.

Anyways chill guys, really. You are the worst group of fans I've ever seen. It seriously seems like the majority of the fan base is never ever happy with what they get. I was reading City At War comic the other day and in the letters page there's people bitching about it. I remember when 2K3 started people bitched about it to.

Watch when the new series comes along you'll suddenly fall in love with FF and give the new series crap. It's a pattern I've seen. This is why the series is always in a state of flux.

You know back awhile ago in the comic section someone said "Laird needs to stop listening to what the fans want and do what he wants to do" Back then I didn't understand how important it is, but now I do. He will never ever be able to please all of us, and the problem is he's trying to.

Again with the exception of a few members on here it seems like none of you are ever happy with what we get. You may not think it but this affects more then you may think.

Before you even reply to me Gobo your one of those people who doesn't complain and sticks with it ;)

Masked Ninja

10-26-2007, 08:20 PM

Yeah, blending the movie designs in would be awesome... only thing I really would like to see different from movie is the heads - eyes were too far apart on those for my taste. I like the slimmer TMNT a lot - makes more sense for what they are. That is, ninjas rather than body builders.

If it does come to a blend between 2k3 and 2007 styles, no complaints from me. I liked both.

gobo

10-26-2007, 09:24 PM

Before you even reply to me Gobo your one of those people who doesn't complain and sticks with it ;)
Not quite sure what you mean by that, but... Thanks? :embarass:

syd

10-27-2007, 04:44 AM

the turtle shows have been interesting,especially season5,i hope this one could supress it though.
S5 has such a constant and compact plot it totally wins me back from those JP shounen manga.we all know that the well known JP cartoon features thoes babes,the kind that can really make you high.i shell exalt it a little here,leave me alone for a second.
well,back to the show,as y have been recently missing that exitement suddenly y cought S5,wow that feeling y got then...
i shell appretiate it a little here,give me a second again.
then back to the show,well,i think iv made my point.8w
whatever u say,i just advocate the whole NT,compare with every almost EVERY action anime of JP,TMNT is much better enough,what more couldu want?uh?uh?all right,the frames of JP cartoon are indeed more beautiful,it has been a anime empire afterall,but no matter how gorgeous are them,we probablely would not buy them should they merely bring us doze.another reason i have a thing with JP cartoon is that they are too commercial,cartoons are all commercial productions,but they are just tooo...just tooooo blunt,i hate that.i shell stop here for iv been OT...just a little.

Drtooth

10-27-2007, 08:23 AM

*struggles to see why making the designs look like the movie is a bad thing*

Sorry...its the best art style they could have done. The only major difference would be the Turtles presumedly having pupils behind their masks for the first time in this series, which is fine by me.

I'd rather see them look similar to the movie than having green yeild signs for heads. In fact, I took a good look at the minifigures and Happy Meal toys... Without the pupils in their eyes, they look pretty similar. I can't see how it's a bad thing if they're getting away from the blocky FF designs.

odupianist

10-27-2007, 04:53 PM

You know back awhile ago in the comic section someone said "Laird needs to stop listening to what the fans want and do what he wants to do" Back then I didn't understand how important it is, but now I do. He will never ever be able to please all of us, and the problem is he's trying to.

Then why did we get FF? I thought most of us were content with the 2k3 series. (Not trying to pick a fight, I seriously want to know based off that logic.)

TerranigmaFreak

10-27-2007, 05:46 PM

Sheesh, after reading about the new series, I was actually expecting people to be celebrating here. I mean, they're going back to the continuity of 2k3. The show will have less humor. And... oh my god, new vehicles. I mean, TMNT NEVER EVER had any vehicles before. We certainly didn't have a Truck with jet engines, rocket launchers, super computers, and motor cycles in TMNT 2k3.

I mean, the description sounds... normal! I mean, we're getting a normal TMNT series again. Out of all the ideas so far, this is about as close to 2k3 as you can get. Outside of the vehicles of course, because -- once again -- the turtles never had vehicles in 2k3 with flying missiles coming out of them.

As for the new lair, I think they are talking about the pump station in Central Park. Partly because I think that lair barely even got developed enough in the series. Even the Lost Season barely featured the new lair. Of course, I could be totally wrong, but I don't see how the pump station can't be considered something new.

Yeah, the new style of animation COULD be worrisome, but I'm not going to judge it until I actually SEE something to judge.

This is almost like FF again. You guys jump all over the place over nothing. I mean, ok, I can actually understand the hesitation of FF over the original description. I mean, the show's lighter and focuses more on comedy while changing the entire setting of the 2k3 show. This... this is nothing. This is more serious. The show continues the 2k3 and FF (a show that's actually getting better with the last few episodes), and some new vehicles.

Kendamu

10-27-2007, 05:57 PM

TerranigmaFreak

10-27-2007, 05:59 PM

If you want to see constantly-angry fans, check out a Sonic the Hedgehog forum sometime. Now that's angry!

But they DO have a right to be angry. The recent Sonic games suck. Yeah, Secret Rings was ok, but "ok" doesn't cut it for someone who once rivaled Mario. We're getting something that's pretty much what we've been praying for once FF is over.

ZariusTwo

10-27-2007, 09:05 PM

I find their constant whining about which Sonic universe is the definitive one (Segasonic, Satam, Fleetway Comics, Archie) a little more harsh than their videogame devotion.

ZariusTwo

10-27-2007, 09:12 PM

They dropped because kids don't give a crap about drama, or back story.

Anyways chill guys, really. You are the worst group of fans I've ever seen. It seriously seems like the majority of the fan base is never ever happy with what they get. I was reading City At War comic the other day and in the letters page there's people bitching about it. I remember when 2K3 started people bitched about it to.

Watch when the new series comes along you'll suddenly fall in love with FF and give the new series crap. It's a pattern I've seen. This is why the series is always in a state of flux.

You know back awhile ago in the comic section someone said "Laird needs to stop listening to what the fans want and do what he wants to do" Back then I didn't understand how important it is, but now I do. He will never ever be able to please all of us, and the problem is he's trying to.

I think that was me, since I only ever complain in the comics section to counter why everyone hated Pete's previous peice of self-indulgence, April being a drawing.

If he IS listening to fans and trying to please them now, this might truley have been the reason he put Volume 4 on hiatus. It's no secret that was what the fans hated the most before FF, criticising Lawson's art, hating Laird for the pace, scolding him in the letters page, AND took stabs at his political ideas...stuff like that has an effect. Does it show? Hell yes, look at his REACTIONS.

ThirdMarioBro

10-27-2007, 09:39 PM

It'll probably be CGI. I would say that I wouldn't watch a CGI series, but I probably wouldn't watch it either way.

CyberCubed

10-27-2007, 10:12 PM

It'll probably be CGI. I would say that I wouldn't watch a CGI series, but I probably wouldn't watch it either way.

Its not CGI.

Cure

10-27-2007, 10:17 PM

It'll probably be CGI. I would say that I wouldn't watch a CGI series, but I probably wouldn't watch it either way.

So you've never seen Beast Wars?! That show was the hotness.

Spitfire

10-27-2007, 10:19 PM

Then why did we get FF? I thought most of us were content with the 2k3 series. (Not trying to pick a fight, I seriously want to know based off that logic.)

Because FF was planned to begin with, the only change was they bumped up the humor in it. FF is canned because we complained about it, I bet you anything. And I base my logic on this on the fact that the toys sold really well and FF had higher ratings then the series had been getting before the shift.

Before the fans were willing to accept anything because 2K3 had gotten so good.

I think that was me, since I only ever complain in the comics section to counter why everyone hated Pete's previous peice of self-indulgence, April being a drawing.

If he IS listening to fans and trying to please them now, this might truley have been the reason he put Volume 4 on hiatus. It's no secret that was what the fans hated the most before FF, criticising Lawson's art, hating Laird for the pace, scolding him in the letters page, AND took stabs at his political ideas...stuff like that has an effect. Does it show? Hell yes, look at his REACTIONS.

I know for a fact he reads this site, and I'm sure seeing the biggest group of his fan base belittling him and his creations depresses him. FF was one of his ideas, had we ran with it and been patient we would have been surprised and the show would have gotten better.

The reactions to the new episodes are way better then the first bunch because they are better. Now instead of continuing on something that was already good and getting better their jumping ship to a whole new series where they have to start from scratch again. I don't know about you guys but I'd rather have the FF animation style then them attempt to draw the movie characters in 2D animation. The comics look ugly I don't think the CGI look fits the turtles well in a 2D setting.

It'll probably be CGI. I would say that I wouldn't watch a CGI series, but I probably wouldn't watch it either way.
They can't afford CGI.

Roseangelo

10-27-2007, 10:27 PM

FF is canned because we complained about it, I bet you anything. And I base my logic on this on the fact that the toys sold really well and FF had higher ratings then the series had been getting before the shift.

Actually, the toys did not sell well and the only reason FF got high ratings is because that's what was on when the movie came out.

Spitfire

10-27-2007, 10:32 PM

Actually, the toys did not sell well and the only reason FF got high ratings is because that's what was on when the movie came out.

Well then maybe I live on Mars because it took me forever to get FF figures by me. I have 2 Wal-marts, 2 Targets, and a Toysrus I check for figures and between all 5 of those it still took me a few months to get all the FF figures. I had alot of trouble finding Raph, Leo, The Dark Turtles, and I never even saw Jammerhead or Viral I ended up getting them for Christmas out of blind luck.

They were always mostly sold out, and I know they were stocking them because I'd check everyday. I'd go in one day and see the shelf full of em and then the next everything but the role play gear and the Hover Shell HQ set would be gone.

ZariusTwo

10-27-2007, 11:01 PM

I know for a fact he reads this site, and I'm sure seeing the biggest group of his fan base belittling him and his creations depresses him. FF was one of his ideas, had we ran with it and been patient we would have been surprised and the show would have gotten better.

Laird thinks as the person that he began as...a comics publisher. Marvel and DC are forced to retcon stuff several times because the consumers dislike what there doing, they want something new made from the older material, taking a step forward cheats them out of possibilities with the same settings.

METALHEAD

10-28-2007, 04:03 AM

:tgrin: BRING ON THE NEW TMNT SHOW YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAA AAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!:tparty:

Splinter's Iroonna

10-28-2007, 09:59 AM

Because FF was planned to begin with, the only change was they bumped up the humor in it.

Yes-- and I think some people forget that Laird and Mirage got 4Kids to allow the "Ninja Tribunal/Dark Shredder" arc to be made! It was my understanding that Fast Forward would come after the season with the Tribunal-- and then would come back to the present.

I remember once an email from Dan B., back when Cartoon Network still ran the show (and were being appeased by being allowed access to first-run eps before 4Kids ran them-- yet they still f*cked up the schedule etc)-- he said that getting the show seen regardless was the goal-- keep the turtles "out there". I'm guessing that Laird agreed to the bastardization of the Fast Forward idea in order to get the Tribunal episodes done.

Okay-- I am LOOKING FORWARD to the new season, especially after reading the blurb at ninjaturtles.com-- I say this despite having watched my "Mutants and Monsters" DVD last night and enjoying the awesome animation (REALLY look at "All Hallow's Thieves"! That is some wicked animation during the fight scenes, especially in the motel room where they're battling those lil flying gargoyles!).

While the eyes did not bother me in the movie, I think I'll have a hard time if they have pupils in the new toon, though-- I always liked how they'd show them when they'd remove their masks... just gave them a different "feel".

Leonardo_Warrior_Turtle

10-28-2007, 10:03 AM

Well, honestly if they give the Turtles pupils in '08, it's going to throw some things off since this new show will be in 2k3 canon and continuity.

TerranigmaFreak

10-28-2007, 11:46 AM

Wait, is it confirmed they'll have pupils? I mean, if they're lowering the budget, wouldn't adding pupils make more work for the animators? Sure, they can just draw a black circle, but that black circle still has to follow movement and other things. The fact that you have to draw something extra in the first place makes no sense when you're scaling back the budget.

Warhorse

10-28-2007, 12:11 PM

Maybe they are adding pupils to go with the eye colors of the movie. The different shades of brown for Donny, Leo and Raph, and the blue for Mikey. But yeah, I agree ^ that it might make the budget higher, not lower, since it's one more thing that the animators do have to stick in.

But on a personal level, I would love it if they added pupils. Them not having pupils is the number one reason why none of my friends and family dont care to watch it. I know it's a bit weird, but I understand where they are coming from. After growing up on the old cartoon, and three movies, all having pupils in the Turtles eyes, plus the last movie, it makes the new cartoon seem out of place. And mind you, even though the comic books dont have pupils, the majority of the exposure of the Turtles comes via movies or tv access.

TerranigmaFreak

10-28-2007, 12:49 PM

But on a personal level, I would love it if they added pupils. Them not having pupils is the number one reason why none of my friends and family dont care to watch it. I know it's a bit weird, but I understand where they are coming from. After growing up on the old cartoon, and three movies, all having pupils in the Turtles eyes, plus the last movie, it makes the new cartoon seem out of place. And mind you, even though the comic books dont have pupils, the majority of the exposure of the Turtles comes via movies or tv access.

Yeah that's true. They're more used to the friendlier look of the turtles. But the funny thing is that the toys usually don't have pupils either. I always thought that was weird as a kid. There were some figures with pupils, but probably 99% of them don't.

Spitfire

10-28-2007, 03:27 PM

I'm guessing that Laird agreed to the bastardization of the Fast Forward idea in order to get the Tribunal episodes done.

No it was his idea, and now he's ashamed of it because of the response it got. I doubt he planned to tone it down as much as it is but it was his idea.

From what Dan told me Laird paid for Season 5 because 4Kids wouldn't hence why the animation is cheaper looking.

Splinter's Iroonna

10-28-2007, 03:40 PM

No, pupils are not confirmed.. .that is just speculation-- which is what makes everything here so darn fun!

odupianist

10-28-2007, 05:08 PM

I agree with Iroonna, I like how the masks didn't have pupils but the turtles without masks had pupils. Gave it a sweet feel I think. but that's not what this thread is about, so I'll shut up now.

Scandia

10-28-2007, 05:38 PM

I prefer pupils. But I agree that suddenly adding pupils in the 8th season when they were not shown before would be very inconsistent. I do like it that the pupils are shown when the Turtles do not have their masks on.

mattmanw54301

10-28-2007, 05:52 PM

I am psyched for this. No cards, no toddler turtles. Not really any super drastic changes at all. I mean, the show was always heavy on toy-centric vehicles, etc. And it makes sense that if the continuity continued, Don would use some of the cool stuff he saw/did in the future to help out the guys. Mikey is gonna have trouble re-adjusting to primitive 21st century video games. It really sounds pretty similar to what I would have done with the show at this point. Actually, I would have tried to salvage FF first, adding some darker elements to it and gradually phasing out the humor.

And we know long ago that they were going to somehow tie the movie into it. That just makes sense. But I digress. I just think in this case that things couldn't have realistically turned out any better.

gobo

10-28-2007, 06:01 PM

When The Turtles get back to the 21st century, Donnie builds them some technologically advanced bandannas that have, like, telescopic vision and stuff at the cost of revealing their pupils. :goof:

As is the case with incorporating the movie designs at all, showing their pupils would be a minor irritation to me. It won't bug me unless I dwell on it. However, with how highly Laird was praising that feature in one of his interviews on the old version DVDs, I think it's likely not to change. Laird likes the Batman-look. ^_^ Plus, the show's supposed to be getting more serious, not more friendly-looking (though that may not apply to the question at hand).

mattmanw54301

10-28-2007, 07:01 PM

I would like to see their future weapons stick around. Maybe the new looks will be an amalgam of their FF and 2K3 looks. I'm sure Raph will give up his future stuff without a fight. Mikey and Leo not sure. I can see Don keeping a secret stash of future gadgets, and the other TMNT scolding him that he will change the future.

I also hope to see the Dark Turtles come to the present. Maybe start another team, with Leatherhead as the leader. That's just me though. I have weird ideas sometimes.

Splinter's Iroonna

10-28-2007, 07:10 PM

Actually, Dark Turtles is one of the few things I really like-- I especially liked the promise that DNA is Thicker than Water offered-- they'd want to all start wondering at their purpose in Life etc--

But I don't agree with the future weapons-- I am a Ninja purist when it comes to that. Mikeytron 6000 showed that Mike never took to heart that in a ninja's hand, anything is a weapon.

But yeah, the Dark Turtles (had they continued FF) should have found purpose and meaning-- rather along the lines of the Inuishi Gunjin or however it's spelled-- And perhaps they could have found someone to be their Sensei--- OMG-- CODY--

*beats off the plot bunnies with a HUGE stick*

mattmanw54301

10-28-2007, 07:30 PM

Or perhaps the Ancient One.

triplexxx

10-28-2007, 07:34 PM

Mike never took to heart that in a ninja's hand, anything is a weapon.And that's why he used brushes in Turtles In Space 2 and pipes in What A Croc!

Leonardo Mystic

10-28-2007, 10:30 PM

I would like to see their future weapons stick around. Maybe the new looks will be an amalgam of their FF and 2K3 looks. I'm sure Raph will give up his future stuff without a fight. Mikey and Leo not sure. I can see Don keeping a secret stash of future gadgets, and the other TMNT scolding him that he will change the future.

If it's anything like how they got there getting back, their future clothing and weapons won't be coming with them as material things can't travel through time.

Spitfire

10-28-2007, 10:38 PM

tOkKa

10-28-2007, 11:24 PM

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-->> ..i need a drink, a pamprin and a good self-administered spanking.. oy ..
>v<

Ninjafromanotherseries

10-29-2007, 05:52 AM

Yeah cool if the Dark turtles would come with the Turtles to present. Dark Donatello could go to work with foot if they are still bad guys. What I have seen Dark Donny is the most wicked dark turtle and if the foot is still evil I suppose those Elite Ninjas could be their leader and Karai had only handful of good ninjas.

TerranigmaFreak

10-29-2007, 06:13 AM

That's a really good point I never thought of. But in "Timing is Everything" they traveled back and they had their gear, so maybe it depends on the sort of travel. Honestly I don't think Splinter would allow it.

Maybe they'll just put them up in their lair as a memorabilia from their trip to the future.

BubblyShell22

10-29-2007, 06:18 AM

I agree that they might just save their futuristic weapons as mementos from their time in the future. I want to see them have their regular weapons back since they will be in the present.

Kendamu

10-29-2007, 09:45 AM

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b281/kendamu/Leo08.jpg

Here's the look they're going for in the new season (work in progress). You can read about it more at http://the-5th-turtle.blogspot.com/

DrSpengler

10-29-2007, 09:56 AM

Ya know, I like it. Obviously how well the designs look in motion is the reall hook, but it's not bad.

Hope they're keeping Dong Woo on for the animation. After 7 seasons I can't imagine they'd change studios.

Fledermaus

10-29-2007, 09:59 AM

:| ... Leo has got an impressively tiny head, considering his height (about five foot). Me, I really really really am gonna miss the detail of ye olde 2k3 but I think this can work. Certainly better than turtles in Power Ranger chestplates...

The animation and storyboarding had better compensate. I'm nervous because I heard that they WEREN'T staying with DongWoo, because DongWoo is too expensive now. Just as long as the color pallet becomes more subdued, darker and more realistic (I couldn't stand the perpetual fireworks display that was FF and even much of the the older 2k3 -- like season 1) the designs won't look as cheap.

Oh and thanks Goongasnootch.

Leonardo_Warrior_Turtle

10-29-2007, 10:18 AM

Confirms right there that the Turtles have pupils. I guess they'll have to explain it somehow...but I'll doubt they'll try. Oh and notice how Leo has his regular swords. Yeah, ditching FF weapons. Which is find by me. As for the way they will look,I really like it alot but I will have to judge how the animation flows to be relieved. It does have a 'New Adventures of Batman' look to it. So maybe they can go with this. Now I want to see how the Shredder will look.

DrSpengler

10-29-2007, 10:25 AM

Confirms right there that the Turtles have pupils.

Murphy says in the comments section that the pupils aren't a definate and might be dropped.

mattmanw54301

10-29-2007, 11:19 AM

Looks good to me. I figured with how well FF did, that there would be as little as possible from it brought over to the new show. Maybe they will put their weapons in a trophy room and forget about them.

I think maybe the first ep will show how they get back, but then they will try and get as far away from FF as they can. Which is fine. I think the new designs look great so far.

Can't wait for the inevitable new toy line!!!! :D

Spitfire

10-29-2007, 12:24 PM

I like it, to me it's a good mix of the FF style*Which I liked* the 2K3 look, and the only thing about it that's movie like is the eyes.

TheShowstoppa

10-29-2007, 12:53 PM

Uh... If you remember correctly, their weapons didn't travel with them to the future, I doubt their future weapons would travel with them since they're made up of a non-living material.

I kinda like the look they're going with. I want the pupils ditched though. There's no need for them. Also - Make the HEADS BIGGER! They look like they're on STEROIDS!

Spawn Guy

10-29-2007, 01:11 PM

I'm not a fan of the pupils, but...I like it. I really like it. Not as bulky as 2K3, not as thin as TMNT 2007. Kinda like The Batman. When Masked Ninja gets into the industry, she really has to start that "Eyes Glow In The Shadows" idea.

Mutated Leo

10-29-2007, 01:33 PM

I think it looks great, can't wait to see more. Color me happy as hell the TMNT are back!!

Yeha!

Jester

10-29-2007, 01:37 PM

Well someone had to do it...:P
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y132/Jesterangelo/2k8Leo.jpg
Sans pupils.

Spawn Guy

10-29-2007, 01:46 PM

Beat me to it.

And did it better to...

And it looks even better to!

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

10-29-2007, 01:46 PM

Oh thank heavens! No Overload!!

Can somebody find a spoiler list of titles, like somebody found the second half of FF a while back?

Colliwog

10-29-2007, 02:19 PM

Not too bad. It's almost weird seeing them with pupils, but I won't mind either way. :)

GK Punk

10-29-2007, 02:33 PM

So I can expect Karai piloting a helicopter that turns into a jet?:)

MAAAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSSKEEEEEEEED CRUUUUUUSAAAAADEEEERRRS WHO WILL NEUTRALIZE AS SOOOOON AS THEEEEEEEEY ARRRIIIIIVE

:lol:

gobo

10-29-2007, 02:33 PM

If it's anything like how they got there getting back, their future clothing and weapons won't be coming with them as material things can't travel through time.
That's a really good point I never thought of. But in "Timing is Everything" they traveled back and they had their gear, so maybe it depends on the sort of travel. Honestly I don't think Splinter would allow it.
Yeah. While these are both true, I took this to mean, "we were really just making a throw-away Terminator reference in the first ep", and that really ticked me off. But, it could also easily be explained away as there being a slight difference in the means of time-travel in those two episodes.
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b281/kendamu/Leo08.jpg
Tartakovsky-esque, eh? Once I see what the humans will look like, I'll probably see it's the same style as The Batman and Legion of Superheroes though. :ohwell: Since 4Kids will pickup for KidsWB!, I expect they now have access to that pool of resources. Definitely not a fan of that style, but I'll aclimate for new, serious Turtles animation. :)
Can somebody find a spoiler list of titles, like somebody found the second half of FF a while back?
:lol: Pretty sure they haven't made it that far into development yet. ;) Give 'em some time.

BubblyShell22

10-29-2007, 02:38 PM

Well, that picture of Leo looks awesome. I can't wait to see how it's done once it's on TV. And I don't care if they have pupils or not. This picture of Leo looks so much better than Fast Forward Leo. Overall, I'm happy with the look.

Kendamu

10-29-2007, 03:00 PM

Well someone had to do it...:P
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y132/Jesterangelo/2k8Leo.jpg
Sans pupils.
I like that drawing better without pupils, but I need to see the art in motion (or at least see more emotions) before I decide if pupils are better or not.

Fledermaus

10-29-2007, 03:13 PM

I too prefer the design without pupils. Just looks a little meaner this way. And somehow, less cheap, even though it probably would be cheaper to do away with pupils. :ohwell:

Cure

10-29-2007, 03:27 PM

VaughnMichael

10-29-2007, 04:21 PM

I like it, to me it's a good mix of the FF style*Which I liked* the 2K3 look, and the only thing about it that's movie like is the eyes.
looks almost exactly like FF to me I find it funny how many people are saying they like this when they had a bitch fit about FF's look when this looks almost exactly like it. & I don't mind the eyes at all.

Scandia

10-29-2007, 04:26 PM

Awesome!!!

As much as I prefer pupils in general, I think it would be better to keep them without pupils for continuity purposes.

Spawn Guy

10-29-2007, 04:32 PM

Do we know who designed it? Looks very Jeff Matsudaesque.

Jester

10-29-2007, 04:40 PM

sdp

10-29-2007, 04:40 PM

I love the design and he looks better with Pupils. Its the perfect CGI to hand drawn conversion.

However since its not a cartoon based on the movie but a continuation of 2k3, I'd be happy if they removed the pupils.

Jester

10-29-2007, 04:45 PM

I'm just wondering how that's gonna work...they are obviously 2 distinct continuities.

VaughnMichael

10-29-2007, 05:00 PM

I think the big thing is the belt and weapon designs are back to a state of normalcy.
Yeah lordforbid they wear something differnt :lol:

CudleyCowlick

10-29-2007, 05:25 PM

Well, they didn't ruin the turtles. But then again, I've been happy with all previous versions, including FF. No pupils would be nice sure, but I won't boycott it over that.

What concerns me is will they ruin Casey? I don't want him to look/act like a skinny geek as he did in the movie. I know I've brought this up before but it SERIOUSLY ticked me off.

Casey is a physically JACKED, whackbag, borderline psychotic with roughly the mental capacity and etiquette of an 8th grade boy, and that's just how he's supposed to be.

Raph's Girl

10-29-2007, 05:28 PM

Have to admit that I prefer it without the pupils. Ya can't really see them in the first place but you KNOW they're there. Im glad Murphy says the pupils might be gone. I prefer the Batmanesque type mask over the OS/Movie type mask.

Kendamu

10-29-2007, 05:55 PM

looks almost exactly like FF to me I find it funny how many people are saying they like this when they had a bitch fit about FF's look when this looks almost exactly like it. & I don't mind the eyes at all.
Actually, I always found teh Turtles to be kind of... I dunno... "shiny" in FF. That's what I didn't like. Sure, the future-outfits or whatever they were weren't my favorite, either. I didn't hate them, though. They were in the future wearing stuff from the future. It made sense.

It was the "shiny" skin that really got to me.

Raph'N'Roll

10-29-2007, 06:03 PM

That's cool, I really like the Mirage comic/TMNT movie style belt, I look forward to seeing the show in motion.

Leonardo Mystic

10-29-2007, 06:12 PM

looks almost exactly like FF to me I find it funny how many people are saying they like this when they had a bitch fit about FF's look when this looks almost exactly like it. & I don't mind the eyes at all.

This new image doesn't scream pastel and Lego blocks like FF, and I hated that most of all about the series. I like this. It is actually really good, and if it's the new artstyle, I can live peacefully with it, even with or without pupils.

gobo

10-29-2007, 06:13 PM

I find it funny how many people are saying they like this when they had a bitch fit about FF's look when this looks almost exactly like it.
You need your eyes checked. 2K3 was curves. >> was angles. Since people griped about the switch from curves to angles, the angle percentage has just been heightened. Now, everyone's happy. Sound logical? Cuz I don't think so... :P

Kendamu

10-29-2007, 06:34 PM

Leonardo isn't a human female so I don't really care about his lacking of curves.

Splinter's Iroonna

10-29-2007, 07:31 PM

And that's why he used brushes in Turtles In Space 2 and pipes in What A Croc!

You mean back when the series was good?

:D

Yeah, I forgot those-- but still, he just could NOT resist the shinies of the future...

But then, none of them could, evidently-- futuristic weapons that had "power".

Oh, and YEAH, I like it better without the pupils. Nice job, Jester!

Fledermaus

10-29-2007, 08:29 PM

You need your eyes checked. 2K3 was curves. >> was angles. Since people griped about the switch from curves to angles, the angle percentage has just been heightened. Now, everyone's happy. Sound logical? Cuz I don't think so... :P

Actually, 2k3 was not curves. 2k3 was CONTOURS. That's what's different about this design. :( It is devoid of interesting contours, so we lose complexity and uniqueness. Contours define negative spaces and negative spaces help us distinguish characters. Unfortunately, contours cost more money to animate at a decent framerate.

Masked Ninja

10-29-2007, 09:17 PM

Hmmmm... let me give this a few more minutes to look over.

Well, it's really pointy. Like, FF pointy. But there's something about the face that looks different from FF in a way I like. Without pupils it looks pretty kickawesome. And I do think it's an improvement over Fast Foward, even with all the sharp angles. I think the body proportions are slightly different in a way I like better. That could be movie-style influence; I notice the wrists are thicker. I like that a lot, though the ankles should probably be thicker too, to match.

Probably the weakest part for me are the legs, actually. You get those sharp angles of the muscles and cut to those thinner ankles and it almost looks like the legs are deformed. That's something that will improve when they're in motion, but still.

2k3 is still my favorite 'toon style, but if they get some decent lighting and color scripting going on, this should do OK for itself. And, you know, some good stories. ;)

Haha, Spawn Guy beat me to it, I'd love if they either kept the pupils and went to glowy-eye in the darkness or ninja-mode (think Gargoyles on that one?) or just ditched the pupils entirely. On the other hand, having pupils does make for better acting opportunities in animation.

Still awaiting the quality of animation. My reaction for now is favorable, but reserved. :trazz:

Coola Yagami

10-29-2007, 10:42 PM

The art style looks TOO different though... Fast Forward was basically the simplified version of 2K3. This new looks is pretty interesting.. but will they keep the 2K3/FF continuity like they promised? Same voices...?

Whitewolf89

10-29-2007, 10:49 PM

Why is everyone calling the 2008 season Season 8? Isn't it technically Season 7, with FF being Season 6 and TLS being Season 5?

Yeah, me, too.

Heh, methinks Murph must have mis-counted them, or something.......:lol:;)

Spitfire

10-29-2007, 11:17 PM

VaughnMichael

10-29-2007, 11:32 PM

You need your eyes checked. 2K3 was curves. >> was angles. Since people griped about the switch from curves to angles, the angle percentage has just been heightened. Now, everyone's happy. Sound logical? Cuz I don't think so... :P
I just had them checked thanks mr. insulty and I'm fine with it was was fine with FF this design is pointy just like FF is especially in later episodes.
I wouldn't doubt for a second that when they get back that the present day characters will look more like the pointy looking flash back versions of themselves from FF.
If FF was about 2K3 people would spaz over it. If anything looks 2K3ish at all they spaz over it.
Say wha?

Spitfire

10-29-2007, 11:45 PM

Say wha?

If FF was in the 2K3 style, IE the turtles skin colors were the same and they didn't wear breathers I bet you people would have eaten it up.

Masked Ninja

10-30-2007, 12:11 AM

If FF was in the 2K3 style, IE the turtles skin colors were the same and they didn't wear breathers I bet you people would have eaten it up.You mean if they hadn't ended up looking like rejected action figure variants? ...I'll admit I would have given it a more serious chance, yes. Nixing the shiny-bright color scheme would have inspired even more initial respect. As well as ditching the "Ninja Time" catchphrase. And...

Well, I admit it would have helped, at least. :trazz:

Whitewolf89

10-30-2007, 12:25 AM

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b281/kendamu/Leo08.jpg

Here's the look they're going for in the new season (work in progress). You can read about it more at http://the-5th-turtle.blogspot.com/

I like the look of this, pupils, or no.

Although I actually like BOTH versions...INCLUDING the NON-pupiled one (see below, curtesy of Jester (thank you, sir)):

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y132/Jesterangelo/2k8Leo.jpg
Sans pupils.[/QUOTE]

Spitfire

10-30-2007, 12:54 AM

You mean if they hadn't ended up looking like rejected action figure variants?
Oh like they did in Season 5?

...I'll admit I would have given it a more serious chance, yes. Nixing the shiny-bright color scheme would have inspired even more initial respect. As well as ditching the "Ninja Time" catchphrase. And...

Well, I admit it would have helped, at least. :trazz:
"Ninja Time" while annoying isn't that bad, could be worse. I always saw it as a testament to them not having to hide in the shadows anymore. Like now they can yell something before going into battle.

VaughnMichael

10-30-2007, 01:00 AM

If FF was in the 2K3 style, IE the turtles skin colors were the same and they didn't wear breathers I bet you people would have eaten it up.
Yeah well then we wouldnt of had much of a series then would we?
They justified the designs with a good idea and story they wouldnt have lasted very long in the future without anything they had on them.

10-30-2007, 04:01 AM

I like the look of this, pupils, or no.

Although I actually like BOTH versions...INCLUDING the NON-pupiled one (see below, curtesy of Jester (thank you, sir)):

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y132/Jesterangelo/2k8Leo.jpg
Sans pupils.
Hm, not bad, not bad at all. Personally, I like going pupil-less, but that's just me. Maybe they'll go pupil-less to stick to the story (Both 2k3 and FF had pupil-less versions, afterall), so we'll see. For now, though, I'm happy... :)

Rooish

10-30-2007, 05:34 AM

For the longest time, I preferred the Turtles without pupils. Then I watched the new movie and fell a little in love with those designs. I like this new design, I like the pupils (although ... why aren't they brown?). It looks ... really really good. Putrescent, I think it does look similar to FF, but slightly darker. Plus, FF was a step down in quality of character design from 2k3, so people freaked out about it ... if 2k3 had changed to this, people would have freaked, too. But I think this is a slight step up from FF.

I wonder if each Turtle will have a slightly different body shape, like in the movie? I hope they don't make Mike so damn skinny, although Leo looks bulkier than his movie counterpart. If they make Leo tallest (like in the movie) that might confuse the kiddies (who are used to Raph being taller in FF).

Anyway, I can't wait to see the other guys! I wonder if Leo still has his scar ... ?

Scandia

10-30-2007, 05:58 AM

I hope Leo does NOT have the scar. If it had healed by FF, there is no reason for it to be shown again. In fact, they should have removed it or at least shrank it by "Prodigal Son".

I am not going to complain about sizes. I like the animation, though I wish the faces were rounder and more contoured. But I am not protesting. I cannot wait to see more Turtles on TV.

Spitfire

10-30-2007, 06:37 AM

Scandia

10-30-2007, 07:22 AM

No, it's not that. I am just saying that Leo's shell does heal. It is not permanent damage. If it had healed before the Turtles went to the future, there is no reason to bring back the damage.

Drtooth

10-30-2007, 08:19 AM

looks almost exactly like FF to me I find it funny how many people are saying they like this when they had a bitch fit about FF's look when this looks almost exactly like it. & I don't mind the eyes at all.

I'm going to second that. It does look like FF to me. And while the initial designs of the FF characters didn't bug me too much, seeing them even more blockified and angularized in animation form kinda looked worse. To the point I think they were just making sharp angles till the head looked like a more triangular head... almost like putting a mask on this.

I think if they wanted to go for the TMNT 07 movie look, they needed to round out their heads, not make them as angular.

But somehow, this one looks pretty good in the developement stages.

I just hope if Hun comes back his head isn't the size of a peanut and he doesn't have a cat mouth.

Masked Ninja

10-30-2007, 09:03 AM

Oh like they did in Season 5?*still hasn't seen it* :P

Though from what I've heard, I can see where you're coming from. When I finally watch the episodes I'll see which I think is less cheesy. They did have a decent explanation for the breathers in FF, but I still think they came off looking kinda like Power Rangers.

Buslady

10-30-2007, 10:11 AM

Lady R. Santi

10-30-2007, 10:34 AM

Here, might as well show this around. I fixed some of the basic and obvious proportion issues that were, at least to me, a hang up. It was hard to look around them but with those out of the way, really, I *might* be able to live with it. Oh yeah and I got rid of the pupils too.:D They probably don't appreciate people reworking their art but...um...it's just easier than trying to describe it.

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n188/existencenull/Leo08-pre.jpg

Cure

10-30-2007, 11:02 AM

Wow, you all are picky. So much for giving this a chance. People can sure be ungrateful.

Lady R. Santi

10-30-2007, 11:06 AM

Wow, you all are picky. So much for giving this a chance. People can sure be ungrateful.

Not ungrateful, passionate.

Buslady

10-30-2007, 12:01 PM

what bess said. yeah im passionate about the turtles, i think they should not be cheapened and look like boxy green men with yellow chests and deformed calves. They're killing the cartoons with a bad look....hopefully the stories will make up for their appearance.

triplexxx

10-30-2007, 12:15 PM

How they're drawn here may appear differently on TV. The similar poses of the 2k3 look that used to be on the official site didn't appear exactly the same on TV.

The Shelf

10-30-2007, 12:21 PM

gobo

10-30-2007, 12:56 PM

How this differs from the >> design: there are 50% more angles in every bite, plus symmetry has been thrown out the window.

Colliwog

10-30-2007, 01:32 PM

Well, I wasn't going to say anything, but.. I do agree, I feel that right now they look a bit too pointy and jagged. Just a little rounder would be good. :)

VaughnMichael

10-30-2007, 01:44 PM

Wow, you all are picky. So much for giving this a chance. People can sure be ungrateful.
I was thinking the same exact thing and I'm not kidding this is exactly why Fast Forward didn't continue because Mirage does listen to the fans and doesn't do what it wants.
I mean the way Jim Lawson is bashed on here had the man depressed and Laird yeah wonder why vol. 4 stopped?
No matter how big you may think some one is or how godly they seem they're human and peoples comments get to them.
People forgget that these concepts and ideas for the shows come from everyone not just one person.
I mean hell I'd honestly hate to be Peter with how the fans act.

Mutated Leo

10-30-2007, 01:58 PM

Y'know, I actually really like the new look. It is certainly better than Fast Forward's look, I think. My only concern now is that they get some good stories and villains. I think I'm actually pretty excited about all this. I can't wait to see some more new stuff in the future.

You summed up my thoughts. I think we fans can be a little to critical, to early to pass judment IMO. Storys will be the make or break for me. I know Pete and company can make it work. I like the new Batman cartoon alot, not because of the designs but the stories are great. I also like the 90's version. Just don't dumb it down for the kids.

Lady R. Santi

10-30-2007, 02:08 PM

I was thinking the same exact thing and I'm not kidding this is exactly why Fast Forward didn't continue because Mirage does listen to the fans and doesn't do what it wants.
I mean the way Jim Lawson is bashed on here had the man depressed and Laird yeah wonder why vol. 4 stopped?
No matter how big you may think some one is or how godly they seem they're human and peoples comments get to them.
People forgget that these concepts and ideas for the shows come from everyone not just one person. I mean hell I'd honestly hate to be Peter with how the fans act.

Hmm...then maybe we should just shut the forum down and not discuss the turtles at all? Because last I knew, they were giving us information, voluntarily. And I don't think they'd do that if they expected we'd just sit mum and ponder. Forgive me for sounding like a smart ass but seriously... I'm here to discuss, toss ideas and share thoughts. No one here is forcing anyone at Mirage to do anything. They call their own shots. I mean, goodness knows they haven't used any of my ideas! :lol:

To be quite honest it's kind of weirding me out that they keep throwing these tidbits at us. But...*shrugs* Take it and run I guess.

Sage Ninja

10-30-2007, 02:45 PM

no kidding, I'm getting a bit tired of it as well. I mean damn. I didn't like FF, I didn't like the whole futuristic thing. FF wasn't to my tastes so I want the turtles back in present time New York. From what I have read of the new revamp it is the closest thing to the 2k3 as we are going to get, which makes me happy. Just so long as they get away from the character simplification and get back to developing their characters I'll be happy.

I will agree however that the way the turtles look in the preliminary art sketch looks just about the same as it was in Fast Forward. Except they are back to their normal ninja gear. However It does seem that these turtles will go back to the darker color tones of 2k3 which is probably what alot of people are really pleased about.

jenna

10-30-2007, 03:10 PM

Personally I will reserve judgement until I see the finished product but I do want to say this:

When you look at fan works: art, comics and fictions, it is amazingly evident how some incredibly talented people really get the essence of the turtles. Look at the comic Masked Ninja did where Mike ties the dude to the side of a roof, look at Bess Hudson's art and Lucy Too's writing on fanfiction.net.

It really comes to something when the fan works are BETTER and more honest to the original concept than the official works.

That is all I have to say at this time, except that I welcome a Turtles design with pupils. :D

Sage Ninja

10-30-2007, 03:17 PM

but unlike fans the people at 4kids are under restrictions on how they can present and write the turtles do to execs and cemsorship laws. :(

Jester

10-30-2007, 03:19 PM

One wonders what the secondary characters (Splinter, Casey, April) will look like. Heck, how's Bishop gonna fair?

odupianist

10-30-2007, 03:25 PM

No matter how big you may think some one is or how godly they seem they're human and peoples comments get to them.

And they have to remember that while yes, we're fans, most of us are just offering constructive criticism (or at least I'd like to think most of us are). They have to realize that we're just the peanut gallery and they dont have to do everything we say and what we say is nonsense sometimes.

VaughnMichael

10-30-2007, 03:28 PM

And they have to remember that while yes, we're fans, most of us are just offering constructive criticism (or at least I'd like to think most of us are). They have to realize that we're just the peanut gallery and they dont have to do everything we say and what we say is nonsense sometimes.
There's a differnce between being Constructive & Destructive.

gobo

10-30-2007, 03:54 PM

There is? O_o Well, I'll be danged...

Spitfire

10-30-2007, 04:45 PM

too many sharp edges, what shape in his shell? square?? :roll: Leo's feet look funny, and his head is too small. Eyes or no, I don't care. As long as we can see eyes without their mask I don't care. why do they have to draw their necks like they're a separate piece? it looks like he has a collar, they've always done that tho. If they're trying to add a few movie elements, where the bridge on his shell? You can see his sides like before, in the movies they had bridges. Plastron is too small, looks like it's slapped on there to cover their front and man bits. Muscles are not sharp edged; lookit the shoulders, come on! gimem a break, they should be rounded, the arms smooth and curved with the musculature. I dunno, they're ruining their look. I know this is prelim art, I hope they smooth them out for the finals.

Here's an idea, since your oh so knowledgeable on good cartoon character designs, budgeting, and show business. How about you re-draw how they should look in a way that's cost effective for the new series budget and do a better job then that. While your at it since your such a scholar animate the entire series and write all the episodes.

Passionate or not your senseless whining*And it is senseless* is never ending and annoying. The only thing lately passionate about turtles to you it seems is complaining about everything they do, frankly I'm sick of hearing it. You haven't said one positive thing I can recall about the series since FF started. You don't want to be happy, you need something to complain about.

Buslady

10-30-2007, 05:03 PM

Here's an idea, since your oh so knowledgeable on good cartoon character designs, budgeting, and show business. How about you re-draw how they should look in a way that's cost effective for the new series budget and do a better job then that. While your at it since your such a scholar animate the entire series and write all the episodes.

Passionate or not your senseless whining*And it is senseless* is never ending and annoying. The only thing lately passionate about turtles to you it seems is complaining about everything they do, frankly I'm sick of hearing it. You haven't said one positive thing I can recall about the series since FF started. You don't want to be happy, you need something to complain about.

Last time I check this is the United States and I have the right to Freedom of Speech, I am expressing my opinions. If you don't like it, oh well.

Just because this is what they wanna put out, low quality art, doesnt mean I can't criticize it; I am fully away that it is a preliminary drawing, I can still point out what I don't like about it.

Don't read my posts if you don't like what I want to say.

Spitfire

10-30-2007, 05:19 PM

I'm just sickened that they give you exactly what you asked for at the sacrifice of budget and you complain about it. It's because of fans like you they canceled FF, and they did it to bring you this, after much debate. Yet you still throw the book at them.

Seriously your entitled to your opinion but it comes off as rather ungrateful.

Roseangelo

10-30-2007, 05:25 PM

I am honestly embarrassed at the level of whining I've seen in the last two days. Really guys, it's a cartoon.

Splinter's Iroonna

10-30-2007, 05:46 PM

Don't make me come in here and force you two to hold hands while singing "Kumbayah".

Now, let's all take deep breaths and go back to discussion.

*ahem*

While I LOVE that Mr. M. is allowing us these brief glimpses into the process, DARN IT! I WANT TO SEE MY SPLINTIE!..... I mean, I hope that we can see a few more nice sneak peeks at the others.

When they did "The Journal", Casey, April, and Karai (and the Tribunal) looked pretty okay considering. Shredder and the Foot, for that matter, during "Timing is Everything" faired rather well. I hope that they do a good job of merging the style with the movie version-- and this seems to be a fairly good merge of the two styles.

*waits for MORE sneak peeks*

Jester

10-30-2007, 05:54 PM

*wonders why his post to the same was missed...oh yeah...the complaining*

Colliwog

10-30-2007, 06:13 PM

Let's all calm down and just give it some more time, okay..? They've pushed to bring us another season at ALL; I feel they're doing the best they can with what they've got. The designs aren't final yet, so let's wait and hope for the best.

Leonardo Mystic

10-30-2007, 06:40 PM

I did this last night just for kicks and to see how each of the preliminary art compared. I placed the new art in the middle since it's in between the styles of 2k3 and FF.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v191/Mystic2/comparison.jpg

ToTheNines

10-30-2007, 06:49 PM

I like it. I can't wait for the new season to start :D

Jester

10-30-2007, 07:14 PM

I just realized something...this is a lot like the change between Batman:TAS and The New Adventures of Batman (Gotham Nights series)
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y132/Jesterangelo/BatmanComparison.jpg

Splinter's Iroonna

10-30-2007, 07:34 PM

HOW did he fight crime with such tiny feet?

Thank-you! Paraphrase from "Blazing Saddles".

Honestly that second pic of Bats is... JEEZE, those feets are tiny and triangular and pointy and ICK! I can imagine his poor lil' toeses all cramped up in those boots--

Spitfire

10-30-2007, 08:54 PM

I hated the style of Gotham Knights at first. It did an FF, added a kid character, but the storylines were still as gritty as ever and the animation was awesome.

Really great series.

CJStyles

10-30-2007, 08:57 PM

I'm just going to wait for the new season to come out to pass judgment.

Thwomp

10-30-2007, 08:58 PM

Thanks for posting that comparison picture, Leonardo Mystic.

Personally, I like the Turtles without pupils, but I have no problem if they are added. It just seems like the whole reason for adding them is to show that Mikey has blue eyes.

Can't wait to see the new season :D I hope that they take the designs even one more step closer to the movie designs and give the boys different body builds.

Cure

10-30-2007, 08:59 PM

I am honestly embarrassed at the level of whining I've seen in the last two days. Really guys, it's a cartoon.

Just a cartoon?! Don't let the passionate ones hear (see?) you say that! :o

Jester

10-30-2007, 09:07 PM

Buslady

10-30-2007, 09:14 PM

Don't make me come in here and force you two to hold hands while singing "Kumbayah".

Oh great sensei, I wanna see you do that with two students of yours who hate each other :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::P:evilgrin:

Masked Ninja

10-30-2007, 09:33 PM

I think people are getting too worked up over comments that aren't lavishing praise. The only "destructive" comments are the ones that just say "that looks stupid" and don't offer any suggestions. And yes, there have been a couple to that effect. But those of us who are saying "good start, but this is how I'd change it" are doing nothing wrong or ungrateful.

People who work in this industry need a thick skin, which is what I've learning in my classes as of late, from my teacher who has worked in several large studios so far in his career. In many studio environments, people aren't afraid to flat-out tell you to your face that your work sucks and needs to be revisited. So unless people are being rude just to be rude, I see no problem, really. I find it more comforting when people don't worry too much about bruising egos over minor things and say what they think. So long as those people have a vague concept of the line between "rude" and "honest," at least. :roll:

@Buslady: That makes me want to draw a picture :tlol:

Splinter's Iroonna

10-30-2007, 09:46 PM

Oh great sensei, I wanna see you do that with two students of yours who hate each other :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::P:evilgrin:

And how is little Starlee settling in with young Cody?

:D

Colliwog

10-30-2007, 10:18 PM

Ecto Jedi

10-30-2007, 10:31 PM

Jesus! PUPILS! Ugh...

VaughnMichael

10-30-2007, 11:31 PM

I definitely agree Masked, about artists having to be able to take critisism.
I'm good friends with a professional comic arist, Neil Googe, and he's kinda taken me under his wing and has taught me a lot- when he has the time, haha. Apparently when he was younger, people had told him he wasn't good enough to make it, but look where he is now. ;) He's very honest but gentle about it any time he's needed to nudge me in the right direction.
They should be able to take it sure but like I said theres a differnce between saying what you like and don't like and giving examples of what you would like to see and how you would fix it and then saying it flat out sux or omgz i hatez it!!:P

Fledermaus

10-30-2007, 11:36 PM

BubblyShell22

10-31-2007, 07:37 AM

Most people on here are trying to be constructive. I hae no problem with the designs, and I'm more concerned about plot than anything else. However, those who do have a problem with it have stated exactly what is wrong with the animation instead of just saying, "This totally sucks." Saying something sucks without backing up why is more destructive than offering why you think it's not that good. And as for changing things, we've all felt this way about FF. I certainly have, but that doesn't mean that Pete and Company listen to every single thing we say and change it. They may change it to their liking. Who knows? Maybe Pete like the FF concept at first and decided that it wouldn't work for 2K8. We don't know and probably won't know.

odupianist

10-31-2007, 07:47 AM

I love how we're comparing the new cartoon look to the Batman: TAS which was done almost a decade ago, if not more...

Lady R. Santi

10-31-2007, 09:29 AM

People who work in this industry need a thick skin, which is what I've learning in my classes as of late, from my teacher who has worked in several large studios so far in his career. In many studio environments, people aren't afraid to flat-out tell you to your face that your work sucks and needs to be revisited. So unless people are being rude just to be rude, I see no problem, really. I find it more comforting when people don't worry too much about bruising egos over minor things and say what they think. So long as those people have a vague concept of the line between "rude" and "honest," at least. :roll:

@Buslady: That makes me want to draw a picture :tlol:

Ah memories! Way back when, when I was in art school--we called it bootcamp-- they would line up our projects on the blackboard anonymously and the teacher would critique them..."anonymously". The problem was, he could recognize my style because I was one of the few who actually entered art school as an artist. So it would be: "This one sucks. This one...you did this right before class - garbage. This one, not worth my time. This one, not seeing the perspective. Bess...You can do better, come on."

OY! I mean, it's hard. Sometimes the teachers seemed rude but they just were being brutally honest and it's really good for you to learn to accept the harsh reality of the real word. When you're an artist, your work is public and some people WILL hate it and they WILL say it. And you have to be able to take that either with a grain of salt or as a learning experience. But if you take it to heart then you're in the wrong business and I'm pretty sure the creators over there at Mirage have it all figured out.

All of us here on this forum are TMNT fans. I don't think anyone here, no matter how negative, is trying to bring the new season down. I think at the very worst, we (those of us that are passionate as it seems I've coined us) don't want to see it ruined and watching the steps used to create this new season, AS IT'S HAPPENING, feels a bit like watching a plane crash...to some.

Myself? I'm still hopeful, holding out for more info and of course, to check out the finished product.

I liked Mystic's comparison piccie. That puts it in perspective. Of course, the 2K3 and FF pics are finished but still, even the FF picture leaves the new one in the dust. And what gets me is, those studies are concept art, not what we saw on the actual show. What we get once it's animated is more simplified. I'm not sure what that means for the already stripped model for the new season but I hope they beef it up a bit before it goes to animation because I don't think it could get much simpler.

Drtooth

10-31-2007, 09:30 AM

I have to say, I don't hate the design, myself. I just think they could just round it out a tiny bit more as far as the head goes. I hope it looks good in animation. That's all I care about as far as character designs go. And on the plus side of things, if they redesign the character, when the inevitable toy line comes out, we just won't have recycled parts from the movie toys or the F F toys.

Personally, I don't want to pass judgement on a series from character designs. I want to wait until more details about the story come out before I say that I do not like it. So far, i think they're going in the direction I wanted to see them go. Something similar to the 2K3 series that we all love while incorporating a couple changes to keep the toy companies and network happy.

Though speaking of the design.... why does everything have to look like a Jeff Mastuza or whatever his name is desing. Even in the original 2k3 desgins there was a little of that.

Lady R. Santi

10-31-2007, 09:41 AM

Jeff Matsuda. It's a trend thing. Cartoons follow trends just like fashions.

Fledermaus

10-31-2007, 09:56 AM

Jeff Matsuda designed the humans for the new TMNT movie. Since we know they're trying to bridge the 2k3 and movie styles it isn't a big surprise for everything to take on a Jeff Matsuda appearance -- even though the design for the turtles themselves was more Kevin Munroe's doing.

Seriously, I don't notice anyone actually "judging" the series saying it's gonna be awful based on some preliminary character design. I for one think there's enough reason to think it should be as decent as FF was in its later run (which was actually quite good -- I liked it so much better than season five, which I am not ashamed to denounce as thoughtless and irrelevant wrt the rest of the 2k3 series).

Buslady

10-31-2007, 01:10 PM

And how is little Starlee settling in with young Cody?

:D

Oh great here we go again....

:sleep:

Cody is fine...Spottie is FINE...;)

Stupid office has ants everywhere...jeez....

Spitfire

10-31-2007, 01:16 PM

I for one think there's enough reason to think it should be as decent as FF was in its later run (which was actually quite good -- I liked it so much better than season five, which I am not ashamed to denounce as thoughtless and irrelevant wrt the rest of the 2k3 series).

You and me both, I thought I was alone here in disliking season 5. I only ever watched the episodes from it once and I never re-visited them.

BubblyShell22

10-31-2007, 01:19 PM

Splinter's Iroonna

10-31-2007, 01:22 PM

Oh great here we go again....

:sleep:

Cody is fine...Spottie is FINE...;)

Stupid office has ants everywhere...jeez....

Be nice or I won't get you THIS (http://www.kurtadler.com/consumer_catalog/product_detail.php/pid=306743~subid=154547/index.html) for Christmas!

Spitfire

10-31-2007, 01:23 PM

To be completely honest, I loved season 5 and think that the stupidest move was to put Fast Forward before it. I just loved the concept of it and the fact that it had a good plotline and featured some of the villains that we don't see in FF.

I know! That angered me too, but that was 4Kid's move not Mirage's. 4Kids used FF as a new direction and turned it into something it wasn't supposed to be. FF was going to be just like 2K3, another season where their in the future taking place after season 5. But 4Kids saw the ratings slipping on season 4, spazzed out and they pushed FF to come out sooner.

Might have saved the series who knows, in my opinion they could have aired any season when the movie was coming out and it'd have good ratings, but FF did well on it's own even without the movie hype.