IDW TMNT Sales Charts [Archive] - Page 3

AquaParade

12-14-2015, 07:42 PM

Sales were down as a whole from last month. It looks like the Nick comic is back to similar sales as the previous series, so the relaunch only temporarily boosted sales.

If the comic isn't reaching its intended audience (kids watching the cartoon), then maybe its for the best that Nick animated comes to an end. I'd rather IDW use their manpower for 3 comics in the IDW universe (the ongoing, and two different micros/mini's) then instead.

I would assume an increase in sales, but it may also have to do with the market they need yo reach or a hesitation to dilute the main series.

Will be interesting to see what they do.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

12-14-2015, 08:03 PM

Sales were down as a whole from last month. It looks like the Nick comic is back to similar sales as the previous series, so the relaunch only temporarily boosted sales.

If the comic isn't reaching its intended audience (kids watching the cartoon), then maybe its for the best that Nick animated comes to an end. I'd rather IDW use their manpower for 3 comics in the IDW universe (the ongoing, and two different micros/mini's) then instead.

I hear ya. I've got no interest in the Nick comic. Gimme more IDW.

ToTheNines

12-14-2015, 08:05 PM

I've loved the Nick comic ever since the rebranding. I personally hope it sticks around.

RaphaelsIsolation

12-15-2015, 07:58 AM

20k for the main ongoing is great sales. This series has been sticking 14-16 forever, and I think it probably averages that. So to see a few 20k+ in recent months is cool.

Yeah the nick comic is cool I guess, because it is fun for kids, but if it in any way hampers the main one... cut it.

myconius

12-16-2015, 07:33 PM

it's a good feeling to know that the IDW TMNT main comic series is selling well.

i decided early on that no matter what they put out for new issues of Ninja Turtles i'd pick it up.

the ones based on the cartoon series are amusing enough, but the ongoing series is pretty much my favorite new comic month after month.

MrTMNT2012

12-29-2015, 08:19 PM

it's a good feeling to know that the IDW TMNT main comic series is selling well.

It's an even better feeling to know that the quality of the art & storytelling has remained consistently great for over 50 issues! :tgrin:

RaphaelsIsolation

01-12-2016, 12:33 PM

#4 Batman/TMNT 134,526
#150 TMNT #53 17,190

Casey and April TPB sold 800+ copies

UC Vol 6 sold 600+ copies

CyberCubed

01-12-2016, 04:42 PM

Only 17,000 for #53 is a bit lower than usual. Seems like the #50 hype has worn off.

ProphetofGanja

01-12-2016, 05:56 PM

I hear ya. I've got no interest in the Nick comic. Gimme more IDW.

yes yes yes yes yes yes yes

ToTheNines

02-08-2016, 02:30 PM

January sales:
24. Batman/ TMNT #2 - 52,337
134. TMNT #54 - 16,769
261. TMNT AA #6 - 5,104

Redeemer

02-08-2016, 02:43 PM

January sales:
24. Batman/ TMNT #2 - 52,337
134. TMNT #54 - 16,769
261. TMNT AA #6 - 5,104

Damn the Batman crossover took quite a tumble :ohwell:
But the crossover is still giving great exposure for TMNT

CyberCubed

02-08-2016, 02:53 PM

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

02-08-2016, 03:00 PM

Man, looking at those sales it really makes you realize how much DC comics sell compared to IDW comics. I wonder if DC ever got the rights to publish a TMNT comic how much it would sell (without any crossovers), but I suppose we'll never know.

Also keep in mind the first Batman crossover came with like a gazillion alternate covers so that obviously drove up sales.

The Nick comic looks like it may almost be on its last legs. Bobby confirmed we're getting at least 12 issues of it, I wonder if that will be the end.

I'm assuming it totally is. Honestly, the Nick comic has never really done anything to justify its existence. It tells mostly forgettable stories that leave little impact on the overall Nick canon, and has never broken away to do its own thing like Archie TMNT did.

CyberCubed

02-08-2016, 03:03 PM

I'm assuming it totally is. Honestly, the Nick comic has never really done anything to justify its existence. It tells mostly forgettable stories that leave little impact on the overall Nick canon, and has never broken away to do its own thing like Archie TMNT did.

Well its of course mainly aimed at kids watching the show, its not really aimed at adults. It just proves the kids of today aren't reading comics.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

02-08-2016, 03:09 PM

Well its of course mainly aimed at kids watching the show, its not really aimed at adults. It just proves the kids of today aren't reading comics.

#1. You yourself don't really read comics, so I don't think you're in much of a position to authoritatively say who's reading comics.

#2. Kids read plenty of comics, usually even comics above their "age rating." There's a reason comics are in the "teen" or "YA" section at all of the libraries in my area.

I think what's killing the Nick comic is any kids who WOULD read it would rather read Batman or Iron Man, where stuff actually happens and storylines go on for 4 to 6 months at a time. However, that's all 100% my own theory which could quite likely be bogus. :tread:

CyberCubed

02-08-2016, 03:13 PM

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

02-08-2016, 03:19 PM

Or they're buying them digitally, but I can't imagine digital sales being much different than regular sales.

Also even though I don't read comics outside of TMNT and Usagi Yojimbo, I do sometimes browse through DC and Marvel comics on the rack. And keep up on online summaries of what goes on.

I usually see a dozen or so kids in the comics section of my libraries, although usually we're all adults at my LCS whenever I pick up a TMNT TPB...

Mayhem

02-09-2016, 03:36 AM

Damn the Batman crossover took quite a tumble :ohwell:
Issue #2 also only had two cover variants (three if you count the reprint), compared to the 30 (!) for issue #1...

myconius

02-09-2016, 06:02 AM

Issue #2 also only had two cover variants (three if you count the reprint), compared to the 30 (!) for issue #1...

yeah, i was pretty surprised there were only 2 covers for Batman/Tmnt issue #2.
it was a bit disappointing, but at least i wasn't compelled to go and buy a BUTT-TON of variants!! :D

Redeemer

02-09-2016, 07:13 AM

Issue #2 also only had two cover variants (three if you count the reprint), compared to the 30 (!) for issue #1...

Damn that explains a lot lol

I wonder if we will have a up swing in sales consider how good the issue was and the fact that batman and TMNT actually fought each other. I am sure a lot of people needed to change their pants after that fight scene :lol:

CyberCubed

02-10-2016, 11:45 AM

261. TMNT AA #6 - 5,104

I'm pretty sure this is the lowest the Nick comic has sold yet. While digital sales add to some of this, its really putting a picture that this series is literally just there.

ToTheNines

03-08-2016, 03:53 AM

FEBRUARY sales:
14. Batman/ TMNT #3 - 64,444
109. TMNT #55 - 19,630
253. TMNT AA #7 - 5,271

Reprints:
177. Batman/TMNT #1 - 9,987
206. Batman/TMNT #2 - 7,973
227. $1 TMNT #1 - 6,377

Joey Kamikaze

03-08-2016, 07:59 PM

old_hob88

03-08-2016, 08:58 PM

That's back up after the last couple months for TMNT. Batman bleed-in? People catching up from trades? Alien plot?

Something tells me Santalouco doing Leatherhead next month will sell just fine. The nostalgia factor may get this arc some hype in the nerd blogs again.

I think a good bit of it was the board game kickstarter pulling in fans that hadn't read the comics. Especially with that sweet digital sale last month.

Redeemer

03-08-2016, 10:29 PM

I think a good bit of it was the board game kickstarter pulling in fans that hadn't read the comics. Especially with that sweet digital sale last month.

I think you might be right :D

CyberCubed

03-20-2016, 10:58 PM

Sales will likely pick up also because of the movie and the videogame coming out, the latter of which uses the IDW designs so it will probably get some new people curious about the comics.

The main ongoing has consistently good sales. Hopefully deviations and the next mini sell well too.

Redeemer

03-22-2016, 08:41 AM

I think a good bit of it was the board game kickstarter pulling in fans that hadn't read the comics. Especially with that sweet digital sale last month.

Also Digital sales are not counted in these sales figures.

Joey Kamikaze

03-22-2016, 07:08 PM

I think a good bit of it was the board game kickstarter pulling in fans that hadn't read the comics. Especially with that sweet digital sale last month.

Oh, I forgot all about that. I wish I'd had money to kick in for a copy.

old_hob88

03-22-2016, 08:27 PM

Oh, I forgot all about that. I wish I'd had money to kick in for a copy.

It'll hit retail and most of the KS exclusive content will be released in some form eventually, so it's not a deal breaker like some other games if you miss the kickstarter

ToTheNines

04-15-2016, 12:52 PM

March sales:
13. Batman/ TMNT #4 - 65,132
123. TMNT #56 - 16,332
146. TMNT Deviations - 13,335
274. TMNT AA #8 - 4,914

Turtles was by far the best selling Deviations title.

Reprints:
199. Batman/TMNT #1 third print - 8,022
205. Batman/TMNT #2 third print - 7,588
269. Batman/TMNT #3 second print - 5,000

ChosenOne

04-15-2016, 01:07 PM

March sales:
13. Batman/ TMNT #3 - 65,132
123. TMNT #56 - 16,332
146. TMNT Deviations - 13,335
274. TMNT AA #8 - 4,914

Turtles was by far the best selling Deviations title.

Reprints:
199. Batman/TMNT #1 third print - 8,022
205. Batman/TMNT #2 third print - 7,588
269. Batman/TMNT #3 second print - 5,000

It was also the best, period. These numbers definitely reflect its quality.

Sabacooza

04-15-2016, 02:45 PM

Not too fond of seeing 56 selling 3,298 less than last month though.

Amazing Adventures numbers are looking pretty bad.

CyberCubed

04-15-2016, 03:30 PM

neatoman

04-15-2016, 03:40 PM

274. TMNT AA #8 - 4,914

So is the Nick comic pretty much done at this point? You know when TMNT Universe was announced I assumed that would be "replacing" the Nick comic...unless IDW really is going to continually put out 3 new TMNT comics every month.

Apparently the Nick comic is going on to issue 12 at least, which would finish the last trade when they're collected. I wonder if it'll go on past that.

Yeah, the Nick tie-in books always seemed kind of pointless, so it's a big loss if AA really has been cancelled. Still, that would mean every nick tie-in IDW made can be collected in three omnibuses, if anyone is interested in collecting them.

funatic

04-15-2016, 05:49 PM

I really wish they had revamped Amazing Adventures a little more from its previous incarnation New Animated Adventures. This title could really benefit from some longer storyarcs with a bit more narrative oomph. Kiddos could handle it, maybe even prefer it, and it would draw more adults in too. I have a feeling Nickelodeon is a lot more picky about its direction than the main IDW series though.

CyberCubed

04-15-2016, 09:34 PM

I have a feeling Nickelodeon is a lot more picky about its direction than the main IDW series though.

Probably. I assume they wanted no majorly conflicting storylines with what was happening in the cartoon too, which is why most of the Nick comics have been one-shot or "filler" short stories.

With the original Nick run of 24 issues and this one going up to at least 12 issues, they made 36 issues total which is pretty lengthy for a kids comic. Plus there's that basketball crossover issue too.

Joey Kamikaze

04-15-2016, 10:08 PM

Not too fond of seeing 56 selling 3,298 less than last month though.

Amazing Adventures numbers are looking pretty bad.

I just noticed in the release date thread that #56 is getting a second printing, so maybe they didn't have enough copies for the demand or something. But I'd call a second printing a good sign.

myconius

04-15-2016, 10:32 PM

that is pretty awesome issue 56 is getting a second printing.

the writing for amazing adventures is pretty mediocre at best.
they try to capture the feel of the show, but it just doesn't get the same quality as far as the humor is concerned.

heck! even the actual cartoon show has taken a few dips as far as the quality of writing is concerned.

Sabacooza

04-15-2016, 10:51 PM

I just noticed in the release date thread that #56 is getting a second printing, so maybe they didn't have enough copies for the demand or something. But I'd call a second printing a good sign.It is? Well that's cool then. I must've missed that.

MikeandRaph87

04-16-2016, 05:16 PM

So more than 19.3 physical copies sold? That is more to my liking. It is nice to see non-big deal issues go for 20k range. Leatherhead's full debut is notable,but you all know what I mean.

I am curious how TMNT Universe will chart after the initial issue spike. 12k?

CyberCubed

04-16-2016, 05:34 PM

New #1's tend to sell very well, so I imagine TMNT Universe #1 to be anywhere from 19,000-22,000. After that I imagine regular sales will be more around 15,000-16,000 or so.

I just hope sales remain good enough for us to get at least 2-3 years out of the book. We definitely need a companion book for the secondary characters to get more screentime.

ToTheNines

05-16-2016, 04:39 PM

April sales:
14. Batman/ TMNT #5 - 65,616
236. TMNT #57 - 6,706
258. TMNT AA #8 - 4,809

I'm assuming that Diamond oopsie is the reason for the dramatic drop for the ongoing.

myconius

05-16-2016, 05:28 PM

April sales:
14. Batman/ TMNT #4 - 65,616
236. TMNT #57 - 6,706
258. TMNT AA #8 - 4,809

I'm assuming that Diamond oopsie is the reason for the dramatic drop for the ongoing.

cursed Diamond!!!! :x

psychturtle

05-16-2016, 05:44 PM

Yeah that's not a great number. Ive noticed a bunch of IDW TMNT collections have been hitting eBay recently.

CyberCubed

05-16-2016, 06:52 PM

That's because those sales aren't accurate, half of the shipments of that issue were delayed.

myconius

05-16-2016, 07:20 PM

Yeah that's not a great number. Ive noticed a bunch of IDW TMNT collections have been hitting eBay recently.

i haven't seen any actual sold listings that ran up to the most current issue.

the most recently sold listings that i saw only went up to issue 37 or 40 or 45.

Redeemer

05-16-2016, 07:33 PM

April sales:
14. Batman/ TMNT #4 - 65,616
236. TMNT #57 - 6,706
258. TMNT AA #8 - 4,809

I'm assuming that Diamond oopsie is the reason for the dramatic drop for the ongoing.

I agree, I honestly thought you made a mistake until I read your explanation :lol:

Also
TMNT Deviation:13,335

unfortunately according to Comichron Deviation did not sell as well as expected

ToTheNines

05-16-2016, 08:09 PM

I reported that with the March numbers. I didn't know it underperformed though... it smoked all of the other IDW Deviations titles.

Redeemer

05-16-2016, 09:49 PM

I reported that with the March numbers. I didn't know it underperformed though... it smoked all of the other IDW Deviations titles.

Comichron had put an "*" asterisk by the listing bc of "Return-ability"

CyberCubed

05-17-2016, 12:07 PM

If the numbers for Nick Amazing adventures is accurate then I really wonder if the comic is on its last legs. Have we heard anything about it going on past issue 12?

With IDW announcing TMNT Universe it makes me wonder if that's because the Nick comic is concluding so they don't have to put out 3 new TMNT comics every month.

ToTheNines

05-17-2016, 12:22 PM

The August solicits will be out any day now. We'll know if it's been cancelled then.

psychturtle

05-17-2016, 09:17 PM

I'm guessing the toon comic is just about done. IDw may focus more on the universe and other projects like x-files and Godzilla.

MikeandRaph87

05-17-2016, 09:21 PM

Would May sales have the April and May sales combined figure for TMNT#57 with perhaps a footnote?

ToTheNines

06-13-2016, 07:04 PM

May flowers:
14. Batman/ TMNT #6 - 64,911
120. TMNT #58 - 16,793
183. TMNT #57 - 10,913 (plus the 6,706 from last month)

No sign of Amazing Adventures. The ongoing was IDW'S best seller this month.

ChosenOne

06-13-2016, 07:22 PM

ToTheNines

06-13-2016, 07:25 PM

Screw that. Daily.

ChosenOne

06-13-2016, 07:27 PM

I'd settle for weekly. The B&R mini is going to spoil us all sooo bad... It's not even funny.

MikeandRaph87

06-13-2016, 07:27 PM

May flowers:
14. Batman/ TMNT #6 - 64,911
120. TMNT #58 - 16,793
183. TMNT #57 - 10,913 (plus the 6,706 from last month)

No sign of Amazing Adventures. The ongoing was IDW'S best seller this month.

Really? I am not pleased with 16.8. I would rather see it floating around 20k. MLP must have dropped in numbers as I remember it constantly being on top of the heap for IDW. I won't complain as far as TMNT being in the lead but the numbers I want a little higher.

Where do you get your numbers from? I know they are accurate and trustworthy. I am just asking so I know where to go for TMNT or other titles if curiosity ever arises.

ToTheNines

06-13-2016, 08:58 PM

I'd settle for weekly. The B&R mini is going to spoil us all sooo bad... It's not even funny.

Yeah, July is going to sting after this epic month of 7 comics.

Really? I am not pleased with 16.8. I would rather see it floating around 20k. MLP must have dropped in numbers as I remember it constantly being on top of the heap for IDW. I won't complain as far as TMNT being in the lead but the numbers I want a little higher.

Where do you get your numbers from? I know they are accurate and trustworthy. I am just asking so I know where to go for TMNT or other titles if curiosity ever arises.

http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales.html

CyberCubed

06-13-2016, 09:08 PM

So the Batman/TMNT crossover did really well the whole way through, and DC even has a hardcover collection for it coming in August.

Makes me wonder if we're going to see a sequel, or the TMNT crossover with other DC superheroes.

ToTheNines

06-13-2016, 09:14 PM

Poorly as their non-Bat books were selling before Rebirth, I think they'd be pleased to straight up steal the license from IDW.

ToTheNines

07-13-2016, 06:22 PM

Aaaand June
119. BRDE #1 - 18,263 (IDW bestseller)
130. TMNT #59 - 16,962
151. BRDE #2 - 13,956
157. BRDE #3 - 13,631
162. BRDE #4 - 13,393
168. BRDE #5 - 12,815

Still no amazing adventures... not even the Carmello special.

CyberCubed

07-13-2016, 06:28 PM

I have the strong suspicion TMNT Universe was announced and will essentially replace Nick Amazing adventures.

I'll be surprised if the Nick comic is still going in 2017.

DrSpengler

07-13-2016, 08:42 PM

Wow, the B&R mini kept a steady number of sales through the whole run (aside from the 5k drop after #1, but that's to be expected).

oldmanwinters

07-13-2016, 09:26 PM

Wow, the B&R mini kept a steady number of sales through the whole run (aside from the 3k drop after #1, but that's to be expected).

I kinda figured the financial commitment of buying 5 books in consecutive weeks would scare away most consumers, but I guess I underestimated comic book buyers disposable income!

funatic

07-13-2016, 10:52 PM

I kinda figured the financial commitment of buying 5 books in consecutive weeks would scare away most consumers, but I guess I underestimated comic book buyers disposable income!

In this case it may have actually helped casual fans. I imagine for someone just getting into a comic that it's hard to remember to come in just once a month (often not the same week of the month) for 3 or 4 months to just finish one story arc. Whereas in this case they could get it all the same day every week, much easier to stay on top of, and even if they started partway through its likely some of the previous issues would still be in stock since it had only been weeks rather than months.

I think this would be a very good model for IDW to move forward with in regard to mini series. Obviously the limiting factor is the artists turnaround time, and I think B&R got away with the weekly release due to the huge number of artists on the project. But even for minis with one artist I wouldn't mind waiting til all art was in and doing it weekly. It would likely mean longer waits between minis but that's fine with me if it brings more readers in. Heck, if there's enough readers they could afford to plot EVEN MORE minis, and fill the gaps in those long waits!

Powder

07-13-2016, 10:56 PM

I've tended to pick my stuff up bi-monthly in the last year, but I definitely made sure to grab all those mini's in two separate visits during June. :tlol:

oldmanwinters

07-14-2016, 12:26 PM

In this case it may have actually helped casual fans. I imagine for someone just getting into a comic that it's hard to remember to come in just once a month (often not the same week of the month) for 3 or 4 months to just finish one story arc. Whereas in this case they could get it all the same day every week, much easier to stay on top of, and even if they started partway through its likely some of the previous issues would still be in stock since it had only been weeks rather than months.

I think this would be a very good model for IDW to move forward with in regard to mini series. Obviously the limiting factor is the artists turnaround time, and I think B&R got away with the weekly release due to the huge number of artists on the project. But even for minis with one artist I wouldn't mind waiting til all art was in and doing it weekly. It would likely mean longer waits between minis but that's fine with me if it brings more readers in. Heck, if there's enough readers they could afford to plot EVEN MORE minis, and fill the gaps in those long waits!

You might be onto something big there! And I'll confess that visiting my local comic shop last month it was impossible to ignore the big wall filled with colorful issues of Bebop & Rocksteady. That's an old sales trick used by toy and video game companies to dominate visual space on a retailer's limited storage shelves. Hence, toy companies create humongous boxed playsets that may not sell for a while but ensure that it will get people's attention and create less room for competitor products. Nintendo did that with their early runs of NES sets too. Sounds like it really paid off in the case of this IDW mini-series!

CyberCubed

07-14-2016, 04:10 PM

As said, a 5 issue monthly only works with recognizable characters like Bebop/Rocksteady to casuals. I severely doubt a, "Koya and Bludgeon" 5 issue mini would sell anywhere as well, for example, because outside of IDW readers they're obscure characters.

They could probably do it with a Leatherhead mini though, and he needs more screentime in IDW since he was just introduced.

tomtmnt

07-16-2016, 07:35 AM

I haven't seen the sale figures for the TMNT ongoing for a couple of years now.

Really pleased it is still selling like it was :D

I enjoyed for once going into my comic shop every week knowing that I had a comic. I would also welcome something like this again. Even if it was only an annual occurence.:tgrin:

ZacksSoUgly

07-31-2016, 04:30 PM

Poorly as their non-Bat books were selling before Rebirth, I think they'd be pleased to straight up steal the license from IDW.

TMNT published by DC? Gives me mixed feelings with emphasis on excited and worried. haha

ZacksSoUgly

07-31-2016, 04:39 PM

CyberCubed

07-31-2016, 04:56 PM

ToTheNines

07-31-2016, 06:46 PM

Walking Dead is the only book that does numbers like that outside of the big two. Power Rangers (wtf?) is currently in the top 100, but it's early. Won't stay there.

I don't know what Viacom's licensing fees are like compared to everyone else IDW does business with, but being the #1 book and all has to mean it's selling just fine.

MikeandRaph87

07-31-2016, 06:48 PM

Walking Dead is the only book that does numbers like that outside of the big two. Power Rangers (wtf?) is currently in the top 100, but it's early. Won't stay there.

It did get #2 overall with its second,first official issue. What was MMPR#5 ranked?

Redeemer

08-05-2016, 09:26 PM

So what do you guys think it would take for TMNT to be a 30-50K monthly sales book? It's reviewed positively everywhere, has pretty consistent art (especially when Mateus is doing his thing), the writing has been steadily good, and has shows and movies based on the characters. Not the EXACT characters in terms of characterization and look, but y'all know what I mean. Besides those points, the Turtles are pop culture icons.

They float between 16K and 20K regularly and that's good, but could they be doing better? I understand IDW isn't one of the Big 2, but is that the only reason? They're not on a large publisher so they won't do big numbers? Have comic book readers gotten over the Turtles or what? Am I missing something? :tconfuse:

Honestly I think it would take two things
The IDW Comic art would need to revert back to Dan Duncan style art instead of the child like pre-adolescent baby faces.

Second it would need a very successful movie franchise along the lines of Nolan Batman or Marvel Movie franchise to Garner more attention.

TMNT was originally a darker comic than what we have now.
and also the only thing most people know about TMNT is that they had an awesome TV shows in the 90s that is for kids and only kids.

Hell I did not know how awesome and serious the original Mirage comics were until I stumbled across the old TMNT website and think thats the problem is TMNT needs to bring the Darker more Serious TMNT to Main Stream media.

Mike Lowrey

08-06-2016, 01:50 PM

Honestly I think it would take two things
The IDW Comic art would need to revert back to Dan Duncan style art instead of the child like pre-adolescent baby faces.

Second it would need a very successful movie franchise along the lines of Nolan Batman or Marvel Movie franchise to Garner more attention.

I don't think the art will help comic sales. Especially by reverting back to Duncan's art; that will do nothing. Also, Santolouco is nailing it with his style, his version of the turtles, and most of all with his action sequences. It's just a matter of time until DC or Marvel snatch him up, which will be a sad day. The baby faces are gone and were really only on the cover of the FCBD issue. (I don't want to get into this because this topic should probably be in a different thread)

As for the movie, I agree. IMO, both movies were all around disappointments and probably hurt the entire franchise more than anything. For starts, a quality director would have been nice on the first movie.

To fix comic sales, I think it starts with the comic shops. Every comic shop I walk into the turtle books are always in the back. If I ask anybody working the shop about them (like if they are any good or if you would recommend it) they typically say they don't know because they haven't read any. I feel like most shops are only familiar with what Marvel and DC are doing in their current story lines. Most shops probably have no clue the turtle books have had good reviews either. Lastly, rarely do I ever see any turtle sub or incentive variants in the front displays that seem to exclusively have Marvel and DC variants only.

Redeemer

08-06-2016, 04:09 PM

I don't think the art will help comic sales. Especially by reverting back to Duncan's art; that will do nothing. Also, Santolouco is nailing it with his style, his version of the turtles, and most of all with his action sequences. It's just a matter of time until DC or Marvel snatch him up, which will be a sad day. The baby faces are gone and were really only on the cover of the FCBD issue. (I don't want to get into this because this topic should probably be in a different thread)

As for the movie, I agree. IMO, both movies were all around disappointments and probably hurt the entire franchise more than anything. For starts, a quality director would have been nice on the first movie.

To fix comic sales, I think it starts with the comic shops. Every comic shop I walk into the turtle books are always in the back. If I ask anybody working the shop about them (like if they are any good or if you would recommend it) they typically say they don't know because they haven't read any. I feel like most shops are only familiar with what Marvel and DC are doing in their current story lines. Most shops probably have no clue the turtle books have had good reviews either. Lastly, rarely do I ever see any turtle sub or incentive variants in the front displays that seem to exclusively have Marvel and DC variants only.

I have to disagree mainstream comic book reader don't like the pre-adolescent faces the turtles have been getting lately. most people associate the turtles with the 87 show and unfortunately the way the turtles have been drawn the late several issues re-inforces this stereo type.

I love Santouloco's art style especially in city of falls, but unfortunately he has started drawing the faces like the Nick counter parts

Commenter 42

08-06-2016, 04:15 PM

My shop sells out within days. If you're not there by Friday, it's gone.

Mike Lowrey

08-07-2016, 12:52 PM

My shop sells out within days. If you're not there by Friday, it's gone.

If they sell out so fast, then why are they not increasing their TMNT order? Saturday is a huge day for people to go to a comic shop. In general, if someone roaming through comic shop after Friday then he or she will never find any TMNT comics to flip through and decide to buy or not. This is sad. This is preventing possible new readers to the franchise.

Another point, do the Batman or Spider-Man comics sell out as fast? Probably not. You can go to any comic shop and always find say a Batman comic for instance. The same should be for TMNT comics. There should at least be enough to get the shop to the next month's release or close to it.

Mayhem

08-07-2016, 02:39 PM

Also, you don't have a pull list with the store?

Mike Lowrey

08-07-2016, 04:20 PM

Also, you don't have a pull list with the store?

Yes, I have a pull list with my comic shop.

Mayhem

08-08-2016, 01:56 AM

Ah okay, so the comment was more about anyone else wanting to buy TMNT then. You made it sound like you were missing out too.

ToTheNines

08-15-2016, 10:37 AM

July guys:
136. TMNT #60 - 16,914 (IDW #2 bestseller)

ChosenOne

08-15-2016, 10:39 AM

July guys:
136. TMNT #60 - 16,914 (IDW #2 bestseller)

What was #1?

ToTheNines

08-15-2016, 10:48 AM

ROM #1

http://www.idwpublishing.com/product/rom-1/

CyberCubed

08-15-2016, 11:15 AM

Howcome the numbers for the Nick comic aren't being reported anymore? Even if its selling poorly I imagine the sites would still list it anyway? Makes me wonder if its gone below 5000 sales.

RaphaelsIsolation

08-15-2016, 05:49 PM

The kid's cartoon is a joke mostly. I mean it's alright "for kids" but I could never really dig it man.

The comics are a joke too. I hope they stop doing that, and focus greatly on TMNT ongoing, and the what I hope is a Tales 2.0 kinda thing with TMNT Universe.

I don't like that name much, but hey whatever.

I hope they just pull random 2-3 issue stories with the occasional 4 issue story with old and new characters.

ToTheNines

09-20-2016, 05:34 PM

August numbers:
85. TMNT Universe #1 - 34,471 (IDW #1 bestseller)
146. TMNT #61 - 16,747 (IDW #2 bestseller)

Commenter 42

09-20-2016, 05:55 PM

If they sell out so fast, then why are they not increasing their TMNT order? Saturday is a huge day for people to go to a comic shop. In general, if someone roaming through comic shop after Friday then he or she will never find any TMNT comics to flip through and decide to buy or not. This is sad. This is preventing possible new readers to the franchise.

Another point, do the Batman or Spider-Man comics sell out as fast? Probably not. You can go to any comic shop and always find say a Batman comic for instance. The same should be for TMNT comics. There should at least be enough to get the shop to the next month's release or close to it.

Also, you don't have a pull list with the store?

Yeah, it forced me to create a pull list, but to answer the larger question, they were ordering 10 copies of the book. That's it. They'd take 50 of any DC/Marvel title, but typically 10 of TMNT.

When i added it to my list, they started ordering 11.

I don't know if it's ********, but that's the story I was given.

CyberCubed

09-20-2016, 08:52 PM

August numbers:
85. TMNT Universe #1 - 34,471 (IDW #1 bestseller)
146. TMNT #61 - 16,747 (IDW #2 bestseller)

Damn, 34,000+ for TMNT universe #1 is insane. That's around the same the first issue did back in 2011.

It'll of course drop as time goes on and probably go around where the main ongoing is, but its an impressive start. Overall between the two main IDW TMNT books, TMNT looks to have quite a healthy lifespan ahead of it yet.

Redeemer

09-20-2016, 09:08 PM

Damn, 34,000+ for TMNT universe #1 is insane. That's around the same the first issue did back in 2011.

It'll of course drop as time goes on and probably go around where the main ongoing is, but its an impressive start. Overall between the two main IDW TMNT books, TMNT looks to have quite a healthy lifespan ahead of it yet.

Yeah pretty damn good for a side series, but it is a 1# issue.
I think TMNT universe will have a healthy life span especially with the artist and writer being used. The art style seems to be more appealing and more mainstream.

Editor's Note Comics

09-21-2016, 09:18 AM

Damn, 34,000+ for TMNT universe #1 is insane. That's around the same the first issue did back in 2011.

It'll of course drop as time goes on and probably go around where the main ongoing is, but its an impressive start. Overall between the two main IDW TMNT books, TMNT looks to have quite a healthy lifespan ahead of it yet.

All the variant covers helped on the sales. People grabbing 2-3 covers for something they would normally only get one of.

ToTheNines

09-21-2016, 01:49 PM

I normally don't bother reporting TPB sales, but the Batman/ TMNT hardcover was the #6 bestseller overall last month. Sold 6,585 copies.

Commenter 42

09-21-2016, 02:47 PM

That's crazy. I wonder what drove the surge. :lol:

CyberCubed

10-17-2016, 05:56 PM

September 2016 sales:

TMNT ONGOING #62 15,670
TMNT Amazing Adventures #14 4,358

CyberCubed

12-12-2016, 09:11 PM

Redeemer

12-12-2016, 09:55 PM

November sales:

Batman TMNT Adventures 75,974 (Holy crap! :o)
TMNT Ongoing 64 14,875
TMNT Universe 4 13,769

http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2016/2016-11.html

The main two series took a huge dip recently, but goddamn at the Batman/Nick TMNT crossover. It was the 14th best selling comic of all of November at nearly 76,000 copies.

I bet DC is very happy. I bet IDW is very happy for that matter. I smell more DC crossovers in the future if this is bringing in this type of money. :lol:

The main ongoing had dropped 700, thats actually nothing and is better than expected. November and December are weak months for comic books, bc of all the holiday shopping. On top of that the ongoing went on sale the day before thanksgiving when everyone was traveling. The book actually sold very well.

RaphaelsIsolation

12-13-2016, 09:49 AM

Redeemer

12-13-2016, 10:14 AM

14.8 is one of the lowest months for the ongoing right?

Does anyone already have a chart of the MAIN ongoing or something with sales?

It would take forever to compile one. Maybe one of you have one.

Has the main ongoing dipped below 14k yet?

I don't think so. This is probably an all time low for it. I think its mostly bc of the holiday and I said before. This book released the day before Thanksgiving.

As far as a overall decline, I think the decline is bc of the art style and bc of this past arc was relatively weak compared to past arcs.

MikeandRaph87

12-13-2016, 11:06 AM

I don't think so. This is probably an all time low for it. I think its mostly bc of the holiday and I said before. This book released the day before Thanksgiving.

As far as a overall decline, I think the decline is bc of the art style and bc of this past arc was relatively weak compared to past arcs.

I am not happy with 14k. You know, I really enjoyed this past arc. I am wondering if an original Christmas themed story will see a spike. Its also interesting to see a second book not far behind. I was not sure how sales would be for the excellent concept as it definitely caters to us TMNT fans, but the jury is out for those outside of us.

CyberCubed

12-13-2016, 11:28 AM

TMNT is IDW's best selling book. You look at Transformers which only sells in the 10,000's and a lot of their other properties a lot less, so I don't think its anything to be concerned about.

Universe dipping down to only 13,000 when its only in its 4th issue is a bit more concerning, my guess is the $5 price tag is a bit too much.

AquaParade

12-13-2016, 01:07 PM

MikeandRaph87

12-13-2016, 01:16 PM

Universe is $5? What is the price increase attributed to? Do you feel it's worth it?

Its a Leonardo backup. It runs through issue#5 and then the series drops a $1 back to $4. Its okay. I am not big into it, but others have been invested into it.

ToTheNines

12-13-2016, 01:24 PM

Its a Leonardo backup. It runs through issue#5 and then the series drops a $1 back to $4. Its okay. I am not big into it, but others have been invested into it.

That's not so. It will stay at $5 and will have a backup every month.

The cover is also a fancier card stock.

MikeandRaph87

12-13-2016, 02:32 PM

That's not so. It will stay at $5 and will have a backup every month.

The cover is also a fancier card stock.

Earlier reports did not indicate that and didnt have any indication with the solicitation for #6 with Wrym.

CyberCubed

12-13-2016, 02:37 PM

There will be back-ups in TMNT universe for the foreseeable future.

oldmanwinters

12-13-2016, 10:57 PM

I really wish the price would drop a dollar on TMNT Universe. If they wanna keep doing the strips and require the extra cost, then maybe just save 'em for a stand-alone special issue. At some point, I'm probably gonna stop buying the series monthly and just wait for the TPBs.

CyberCubed

12-13-2016, 11:00 PM

If sales decline continually they'll probably drop the back-ups. The first issue of Universe sold 34,000+ copies while Universe #4 only sold 13,000+ copies.

And yes, I know the first issue was inflated due to all the variant covers and such, but it depends on how sales go for the next couple of issues. I hope Universe lasts a long time because all these other writers do a fantastic job with the series and the main ongoing gets too cramped with storylines and characters, that its' nice to have a companion series with more breathing room.

Redeemer

12-16-2016, 12:40 PM

You know, I really enjoyed this past arc.

Did......I.....??????
:lol:

I really wish the price would drop a dollar on TMNT Universe. If they wanna keep doing the strips and require the extra cost, then maybe just save 'em for a stand-alone special issue. At some point, I'm probably gonna stop buying the series monthly and just wait for the TPBs.

I wish they would just get rid of that secondary story as well. I will keep buying the series my self.

MikeandRaph87

12-16-2016, 12:49 PM

Did......I.....??????
:lol:

I wish they would just get rid of that secondary story as well. I will keep buying the series my self.

I will buy it either way. I am disinterested in the backup which I am paying for, but I cant ignore it because the short story is not my cup of tea when the main story is. The things that disinterested me in IDW (1-5,13/14, HoTFC and Infestation, 2nd Annual) all had the Mirage feel that I cant get into. The backup has the same vibe. No offense to those who like it. Its just not my thing.

CyberCubed

12-16-2016, 12:57 PM

Issue 1-5 felt too Mirage to you? Outside the red bandana's its exactly the same as the rest of IDW.

ChosenOne

12-16-2016, 01:58 PM

I will buy it either way. I am disinterested in the backup which I am paying for, but I cant ignore it because the short story is not my cup of tea when the main story is. The things that disinterested me in IDW (1-5,13/14, HoTFC and Infestation, 2nd Annual) all had the Mirage feel that I cant get into. The backup has the same vibe. No offense to those who like it. Its just not my thing.

I totally get what you mean, I can't get into the Mirage feel either. It's the main reason why I haven't started reading the original comics. I do know enough about them to get stoked whenever the Nick cartoon pulls off a direct homage, but the comics outside of Archie and IDW just aren't for me.

SHotFC, however, is (IMHO at least) a great story and definitely the moment when IDW TMNT started growing the beard, as TV Tropes would put it. I'd been following along out of curiosity but that was the moment that hooked me for good.

The issues you mentioned from the ongoing are fine in the context of things, but I will agree on Infestation and the Annual(s) even more so. Eastman and Laird's style seems terribly outdated and trying-too-hard-y to me. It probably wouldn't have hooked me if I were old enough to read the Mirage comics back in the 80's, either. Here's hoping future backup stories in Universe will get better, feature different talent, and especially focus on other characters outside the Turtles, all with that IDW feel we've grown accustomed to.

CyberCubed

12-16-2016, 03:42 PM

Infestation was written by Tristan Jones, it didn't feel Mirage to me, although with some slight tweaks it did feel like it could have been a Tales of the TMNT issue.

Secret History of the Foot Clan is great and still to this day one of my favorite IDW arcs. The annuals were poor though and feel out of place in the IDW universe in terms of writing style.

MikeandRaph87

12-16-2016, 08:17 PM

I totally get what you mean, I can't get into the Mirage feel either. It's the main reason why I haven't started reading the original comics. I do know enough about them to get stoked whenever the Nick cartoon pulls off a direct homage, but the comics outside of Archie and IDW just aren't for me.

SHotFC, however, is (IMHO at least) a great story and definitely the moment when IDW TMNT started growing the beard, as TV Tropes would put it. I'd been following along out of curiosity but that was the moment that hooked me for good.

The issues you mentioned from the ongoing are fine in the context of things, but I will agree on Infestation and the Annual(s) even more so. Eastman and Laird's style seems terribly outdated and trying-too-hard-y to me. It probably wouldn't have hooked me if I were old enough to read the Mirage comics back in the 80's, either. Here's hoping future backup stories in Universe will get better, feature different talent, and especially focus on other characters outside the Turtles, all with that IDW feel we've grown accustomed to.

The ancient Japanese violence and reincarnation bits in the flashback was a turnoff to me. I did like the current time story however in SHoTFC. I read through 1-5 to give it a second chance and it was the tone a darker murderous, struggle to survive instead of the characterization, cool characters, diverse story types. It was like Frank Miller vs Denny O'Neil. I am a Denny O'Neil guy. The same with #13/14. It was Splinter teaching Raphael the no-kill rule with Arnold Sr.,( before morphing back to Hun). It had a similar unappealing vibe that the first five issues did. The first Annual actually held my interest,mainly because it was the one thing that expanded on the Savate ninja. The second one, I don't know what it was about aside from a Battle Nexus tease that got us nowhere. I have tried hard to like everything,but its the Mirage feel that is captured in all of the above which just turns me off. Its cool, as there are those fans. I am just glad its not the overall feel.

CyberCubed

12-16-2016, 09:27 PM

The second Annual was bad but it did introduce Renet, Lord Simultaneous and the Battle Nexus.

Hopefully in the future we get a 4-issue arc with the Turtles properly entering the Battle Nexus tournament.

RaphaelsIsolation

02-15-2017, 10:43 AM

ChosenOne

02-15-2017, 11:11 AM

I guess I'll update

#137 TMNT Ongoing #65 14.5k sold
#127 TMNT Universe #5 13.2k sold

The ranking is the "dollar" amount sold overall for December.

Ongoing is 5+ years in and is still doing over 14k copies. Which is great. Any chance we'll get up up to the 20k mark? I know they made a good amount of change fromt he #50 spike. That alone will float them a couple years maybe, since it was a 8.00 issue.

I could see #100 reaching the 20k mark, and hopefully it will. It's the first time any run of TMNT will have reached a 100th issue, not to mention the amount of hype that in-universe events will quite likely be generating by then. We're only a couple of years away!

RaphaelsIsolation

02-15-2017, 11:17 AM

Yeah I was thinking the other day about how #100 will be such a milestone. That issue should be epic and have lots of things unfolding and should almost be a TPB size. It should be more than a 8.00 one.

I guess it should be like 3 issues, and price it at like 11 or 12. Probably 11.99.

We're a ways off, but what a great accomplishment that would be. So many fairweather casuals now days... first 4-6 issues do well and then sales slide downward until cancellation.

TMNT has been strong. Great job guys!

funatic

02-15-2017, 03:26 PM

It's great to see that Universe is holding numbers only 1000 or so less than the ongoing. Seeing as it's basically an ongoing as well, the IDWverse turtles are pushing 30k a month!

CyberCubed

02-15-2017, 03:34 PM

ToTheNines

02-15-2017, 04:27 PM

RaphaelsIsolation

02-15-2017, 11:52 PM

g8 b8 m8

Nah, just think a little harder. It computes just fine. It's perfectly clear.

ToTheNines

02-16-2017, 03:08 AM

Ah. Ranking was dollar amount. TMNTU is 5 bucks a pop. I drink a lot. Sorry.

RaphaelsIsolation

02-16-2017, 05:42 AM

Ah. Ranking was dollar amount. TMNTU is 5 bucks a pop. I drink a lot. Sorry.

Oh okay brother no problem. I thought you were just giving me a hard time for no reason.

I was like "how does that not work out?

BTW, I've always appreciated your timeline with continuity. I'm big on that and I use you and Dr. Spengler's stuff all the time.

Thanks.

ToTheNines

02-16-2017, 01:59 PM

Cool man. I love doing that kind of stuff, glad to hear that people enjoy it.

Mike Lowrey

02-17-2017, 01:46 AM

#137 TMNT Ongoing #65 14.5k sold
#127 TMNT Universe #5 13.2k sold

I'm disappointed in these numbers. I would like to see them higher.

ToTheNines

02-24-2017, 08:11 AM

I'm disappointed in these numbers. I would like to see them higher.

The ongoing and Universe are far and away IDWs best selling ongoing titles. The only thing they have selling better is Batman/TMNT Adventures and Star Trek/GL. Both are 6 issue minis and crossovers with popular DC characters.

CyberCubed

02-24-2017, 11:24 AM

It's also pretty steady numbers for a series that's over 5 years in. It seems the majority of the people following it from the start are still around.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

02-24-2017, 11:30 AM

It's also pretty steady numbers for a series that's over 5 years in. It seems the majority of the people following it from the start are still around.

I wonder if this is the best-selling TMNT series overall? Would love to know how it compares to the various Mirage volumes (including Image) or Archie.

CyberCubed

02-24-2017, 11:45 AM

I doubt it's better than early Mirage, or Archie. Mirage likely started sagging in sales after Return to New York, but I have no numbers. Archie TMNT sold like hotcakes released in the height of Turtlemania.

ToTheNines

02-24-2017, 12:01 PM

Image sold horribly.

Redeemer

02-27-2017, 10:59 PM

14,000 is pretty low for the ongoing, usually hovers around 16,000-18,000 or so. TMNT Universe also has the pricey $5 tag, so it's a bit more expensive for casual buyers who aren't hardcore TMNT fans.

Thats not true issue #43 sold for 14.5 units, so that is definitely not true.
Comic Book Sales have a natural roller coaster with sales just like its stories.

The main ongoing series saw spikes in sale with Issues #44 ("Donatello's death") and #50 (Shredder's Death)

So the lowest sale right now are bc the story is just at a low/dull point right now. Sales will have another swing here eventually.

RaphaelsIsolation

03-02-2017, 01:42 PM

Slipped a bit more.

#168 TMNT #66 13.8k 3.99
#173 TMNT U-Verse #6 12.4k 4.99

When is the last time the sales for the ongoing were below 14k? Anyone know?

MikeandRaph87

03-02-2017, 01:48 PM

Slipped a bit more.

#168 TMNT #66 13.8k 3.99
#173 TMNT U-Verse #6 12.4k 4.99

When is the last time the sales for the ongoing were below 14k? Anyone know?

I don't believe it ever has. I realize #66 was not to thrilling. #59/#60 and #66 where not as 'wow!' as every other issue. With Agent Bishop and Krang we need to tell our friends to buy into this masterpiece.

CyberCubed

03-02-2017, 01:49 PM

I'm pretty sure those sales don't count digital sales. So people who are buying them digitally from IDW, etc. aren't included in that.

On the plus side Batman/TMNT sold very well:

Batman TMNT Adventures 27,921

ToTheNines

03-02-2017, 02:39 PM

That's correct. They do not count digital figures.

Weapons@theready

03-02-2017, 03:32 PM

I don't believe it ever has. I realize #66 was not to thrilling. #59/#60 and #66 where not as 'wow!' as every other issue. With Agent Bishop and Krang we need to tell our friends to buy into this masterpiece.

yup, spread the word and FCBD should help get people interested

ProphetofGanja

03-02-2017, 05:10 PM

That's correct. They do not count digital figures.

Why not? It seems like that would be an ever-growing portion of their sales as people move away from physical media

old_hob88

03-02-2017, 05:45 PM

Why not? It seems like that would be an ever-growing portion of their sales as people move away from physical media

I'd imagine it's cuz the physical copies sold are counted by how many copies are ordered by shops from distributors, but you can't really measure digital sales the same way. So while it is a large chunk of sales, it's much harder to report the same way as physical copies

ToTheNines

03-02-2017, 07:13 PM

If anything you'd think digital sales would be super easy to quantify and report. I have no idea why they keep that secret.

Redeemer

03-02-2017, 09:37 PM

If anything you'd think digital sales would be super easy to quantify and report. I have no idea why they keep that secret.

Yeah its weird, they are the same with digital sales of video games

RaphaelsIsolation

03-03-2017, 08:02 AM

Yeah I didn't include the IDW/Batman kids thing. It's cool, I haven't read it yet, but I'm sure DC takes home a 60% to 70% of the lion's share in that anyways. Still great for IDW/TMNT though.

Yeah that is interesting about the digital sales. I don't think there's a great slant towards people buying digital. I'll never buy digital, no way in hell.

I know people are going digital with comics but I don't think it is that heavy of a trend. I mean honestly... if you had to choose to buy a comic you like physically (the way it was meant to be) or digitally on your suckpad, what would you do?

I don't think most people would be into the digital over physical because of "preference", just maybe out of "conveinence."

ANyways, I would tack on 2-3k sales maybe for digital. Who knows what they are. I don't think the physical is slipping because more people are converting to digital though. Just as long as the ongoing stays 10k+ physical we're great to go.

old_hob88

03-03-2017, 09:42 AM

If anything you'd think digital sales would be super easy to quantify and report. I have no idea why they keep that secret.

It's super easy to quantify and report, but the numbers are apples and oranges. The physical sales are taken at a specific date, really prior to the release. Conversely digital is really only available release date and after, and not everyone buys the books the day they come out. So it's not the same number and harder to delineate the numbers. Is it sales release week? Release month? Do you update the sales every time one sells from now till forever? Since there's not a finite pool of digital copies like there is with physical lumping them in with physical sales wouldn't be accurate.

MikeandRaph87

03-03-2017, 10:16 AM

I would like to know how many copies are sold 4 weeks after release. Would 5k digital copies sale? 10k?

RaphaelsIsolation

03-03-2017, 11:09 AM

I think that is would be really cool to have a separate digital sales chart. As much as I hate digital comics, it would be interesting to see what's going on.

I don't think any comic pushes more than 5k digital downloads? Anything more than that seems nuts.

Like does Batman or whatever is #1 ... are they pushing 30k digital sales? I highly doubt it.

CyberCubed

03-03-2017, 11:25 AM

I think the thing is digital comics remain up on their store to buy forever. Physical copies of comics are only printed in limited numbers and then they don't send any more off to the comic stores. So it's easier for them to keep track of how many physical copies are sold.

I mean people can right now buy digital IDW comics that came out way back in 2011-2012, should those be added to the overall sales of those individual issues even though they're 4 years old now?

RaphaelsIsolation

03-03-2017, 11:39 AM

Yeah right, I agree. I'm cool with them not being included.

They need a running digital chart that is quarterly or something since its always going to get sales from different titles.

Redeemer

03-05-2017, 05:02 PM

old_hob88

03-05-2017, 06:28 PM

Hey so I found these stats for Physical Comic Sales vs Digital.
So in 2014 for every 9.4 physical comic 1 digital comic was sold.
So 9.4=1 ratio

So TMNT sells 14k physical they roughly sold they sold 1,489 digital.
so 15,489 overal

source http://www.comichron.com/yearlycomicssales.html

also the ratio is for North America only.

I'm wondering if those numbers have gotten any higher in the last 3 years too. Also curious how strong trade sales are too cuz I'm sure they're at least as high as singles since trades are a big market now

Redeemer

03-05-2017, 09:51 PM

I'm wondering if those numbers have gotten any higher in the last 3 years too. Also curious how strong trade sales are too cuz I'm sure they're at least as high as singles since trades are a big market now

If you click on the link digital sales and physical copies have both risen every year except last year I believe.

HeroTurtlesFan

03-06-2017, 08:34 AM

I'm wondering if those numbers have gotten any higher in the last 3 years too. Also curious how strong trade sales are too cuz I'm sure they're at least as high as singles since trades are a big market now

I'm sure. Digital comics are a growing industry, and they are awesome to boot!

Rooish

04-01-2017, 01:45 PM

So how did 68 do?

This is maybe a dumb question but I don't know how things work. Is the number sold based on how many the retailers and comic book stores buy, or based on the number customers buy from them?

In terms of supporting the series, is it better to buy individual issues or TPBs?

Just want to help keep it going to 100! They will need this many more issues at least to catch up with all the characters.

ToTheNines

04-01-2017, 01:55 PM

So how did 68 do?

We wont know for another couple weeks.

This is maybe a dumb question but I don't know how things work. Is the number sold based on how many the retailers and comic book stores buy, or based on the number customers buy from them?

It's based on how many copies the retailers buy. But they don't really order many more than they need to, so it's accurate enough.

In terms of supporting the series, is it better to buy individual issues or TPBs?

Just want to help keep it going to 100! They will need this many more issues at least to catch up with all the characters.

Definitely the individuals.

CyberCubed

04-01-2017, 01:59 PM

Just want to help keep it going to 100! They will need this many more issues at least to catch up with all the characters.

It'll definitely reach issue 100, I'm pretty sure that's a lock. How long it goes on beyond that though remains to be seen.

TurtleWA

06-16-2017, 01:16 AM

Estimated Units

Ongoing
#68
13,183

Batman TMNT Adventures
#5
22,616

TMNTU
#1 34,471
#2 19,944
#3 15,619
#4 13,769
#5 13,201
#6 12,417
#7 11,452
#8 11,058
#9 10,573

Got the numbers from this place so hope there accurate.
http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales.html

I was curious about the history of TMNTU so I went ahead and looked up those numbers.

CyberCubed

06-16-2017, 02:01 AM

May's sales still aren't up yet, so we don't know how #69 did yet or the recent Universe issue.

TurtleWA

06-16-2017, 10:53 AM

Yeah, I hope numbers start going up for TMNTU but #10 is the second part to #9 so these two might be about the same is sales. #11 though, that would be great to see the new story arc give Universe a bump in sales. When is May going to be posted up?

CyberCubed

06-16-2017, 11:20 AM

I think the $5 price tag for Universe is too pricey for casuals. They really should drop the back-up stories going forward so it goes down to $4.

TurtleWA

06-16-2017, 11:33 AM

What about the cover art? The title does say TMNT, but does having actual Turtle art on the cover help catch the eyes of the casuals maybe? Could it only be the price?

CyberCubed

06-16-2017, 11:35 AM

What about the cover art? The titles does say it all, but does having Turtle art on the cover to help catch the eyes of the casuals? Could it only be the price?

Well the specials/micros always sold less than the ongoing. My guess is casuals don't feel the need to pick up the extra books outside the mains series, even though it's all in continuity and they have several important plot points the main series doesn't cover.

I mean you have to look at it outside the mindset of a hardcore TMNT fan. These people probably pick up dozens of other comics from DC and Marvel a month, and they probably feel buying an extra TMNT book isn't worth it over a new DC/Marvel comic.

TurtleWA

06-16-2017, 11:59 AM

Well the specials/micros always sold less than the ongoing. My guess is casuals don't feel the need to pick up the extra books outside the mains series, even though it's all in continuity and they have several important plot points the main series doesn't cover.

I mean you have to look at it outside the mindset of a hardcore TMNT fan. These people probably pick up dozens of other comics from DC and Marvel a month, and they probably feel buying an extra TMNT book isn't worth it over a new DC/Marvel comic.

Yeah I could see that. The big two do have that name recognition thing going on for them, and seem to always have buzz. So I could see in a pick and choose situation D.C./Marvel getting the sale over an "indie." Even if there are good reasons to not pick the D.C./Marvel book. Like plot points you mentioned.

Though TMNTU is not a special/micro so does the comparison hold up? And the Batman/TMNT stuff sold well.

CyberCubed

06-19-2017, 03:53 PM

TurtleWA

06-19-2017, 11:06 PM

May's sales are in:

TMNT #69: 13,726
TMNT Universe 10: 10,233

Batman TMNT Adventures #6:23,210
TMNT Funko Universe:9,856

http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2017/2017-05.html

As expected the Batman/Nick TMNT crossover was the best selling TMNT comic that month. Given how successful both Batman crossovers were, I wouldn't be surprised if we get another one next year.

Also glad the Funko Universe one-shot sold pretty well for what it was, heh.
Thanks for posting those CyberCubed.
Hey it's great to see the upward tick in the ongoing. Sad though about the continuing trend for Universe. And that's great about those Batman crossovers. I wonder if Batman fans that picked up the books will start checking out more Turtle books now? That would be cool. :tsmile:

DestronMirage22

06-19-2017, 11:11 PM

May's sales are in:

TMNT #69: 13,726
TMNT Universe 10: 10,233

Batman TMNT Adventures #6: 23,210

Wow, Batman/TMNT Adventures sold almost as much as #69 and Universe #10 put together! :o
Very surprising.

CyberCubed

06-19-2017, 11:18 PM

1. It's Batman.
2. It's the B:TAS version of Batman, one of the most popular cartoons/incarnations of the character and people have nostalgia for it.

Not a surprise, really.

DestronMirage22

06-19-2017, 11:24 PM

1. It's Batman.
2. It's the B:TAS version of Batman, one of the most popular cartoons/incarnations of the character and people have nostalgia for it.

Not a surprise, really.

I had figured sales would improve from Adventures' usual lows, since Batman does bring in people. But I didn't expect the sales figures to go up that much.

CyberCubed

07-29-2017, 01:02 AM

Andrew NDB

07-29-2017, 01:04 AM

Does anyone have any idea why IDW's "Highlander: The American Dream" hasn't been appearing on the charts since #1? Surely it hasn't been selling THAT badly.

dl316bh

07-29-2017, 01:34 AM

Does anyone have any idea why IDW's "Highlander: The American Dream" hasn't been appearing on the charts since #1? Surely it hasn't been selling THAT badly.
Taking a look at that list, it includes series barely cracking as low as two thousand units, so I can't imagine it's a case of "it sells too low so it's not on there".

I didn't realize there was an IDW miniseries for Highlander, or they even had the license.

Andrew NDB

07-29-2017, 01:41 AM

I didn't realize there was an IDW miniseries for Highlander, or they even had the license.

A lot of people didn't, apparently. Even Highlander fans.

dl316bh

07-29-2017, 01:54 AM

A lot of people didn't, apparently. Even Highlander fans.
I like Highlander a lot. I'd probably have at least kept an eye on it if I'd even known it were a thing. The last I knew, Dynamite had the license. I don't know if it's just because I don't pay really close attention to the property these days, given it's kind of in hibernation, but I never heard it switched hands.

Andrew NDB

07-29-2017, 02:12 AM

I like Highlander a lot. I'd probably have at least kept an eye on it if I'd even known it were a thing. The last I knew, Dynamite had the license. I don't know if it's just because I don't pay really close attention to the property these days, given it's kind of in hibernation, but I never heard it switched hands.

Dynamite stopped doing stuff with it about 10 years ago. I worked on the last one they did with Brandon Jerwa, the Kurgan 2 parter.

I've also done a licensed full length feature film of Highlander, "Highlander: Dark Places," (http://www.facebook.com/highlanderdarkplaces) which is on Amazon now. Also, an additional short film (http://www.facebook.com/highlanderhanskirschner) to be shown at the HLWW10 convention in LA this October.

dl316bh

07-29-2017, 02:25 AM

Dynamite stopped doing stuff with it about 10 years ago. I worked on the last one they did with Brandon Jerwa, the Kurgan 2 parter.

I've also done a licensed full length feature film of Highlander, "Highlander: Dark Places," (http://www.facebook.com/highlanderdarkplaces) which is on Amazon now. Also, an additional short film (http://www.facebook.com/highlanderhanskirschner) to be shown at the HLWW10 convention in LA this October.
Well that's embarrassing on my part. I didn't realize it has been nearly that long. So little has been done with it the past ten years, I guess I just lost track of time.

That's actually really cool on all fronts. I might have to look into that stuff more.

CyberCubed

07-29-2017, 11:44 AM

I'm really surprised IDW keeps series going that only have monthly sales in the 5,000's. I guess it somehow still turns a profit for them?

dl316bh

07-29-2017, 12:58 PM

I'm really surprised IDW keeps series going that only have monthly sales in the 5,000's. I guess it somehow still turns a profit for them?
It seems weird if you go by the standards of DC and Marvel - DC gives series more time to find a level, but Marvel will cut you off at five issues if pre-orders aren't what they want - but these are smaller companies. I'm just guessing, but I imagine there is a lot less immediate investment and overhead going on there which gives them a lot more leeway.

Redeemer

07-29-2017, 01:58 PM

It seems weird if you go by the standards of DC and Marvel - DC gives series more time to find a level, but Marvel will cut you off at five issues if pre-orders aren't what they want - but these are smaller companies. I'm just guessing, but I imagine there is a lot less immediate investment and overhead going on there which gives them a lot more leeway.

i think everyone is forgetting that the sales numbers do not include digital sales. I think the art style is starting to hurt the sales of the comics.

dl316bh

07-29-2017, 02:23 PM

i think everyone is forgetting that the sales numbers do not include digital sales. I think the art style is starting to hurt the sales of the comics.
We don't get digital sales numbers - they're kept close to the vest for some reason - but it's been suggested from time to time by vague statements from different companies that they're generally not enough to boost flagging or low sales, so I don't think about them much in regards to this sort of thing.

TurtleWA

07-29-2017, 03:03 PM

June Sales:

TMNT #70: 12,748
TMNT #71: 12,567
TMNT Universe 11: 9,882

http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2017/2017-06.html

Sales are on the decline but TMNT is still IDW's best selling franchise of everything else they have. TMNT outsold everything else IDW put out that month.

Don't know why sales are dipping so fast though, especially for Universe. Maybe they need to re-tool Universe going into next year since its dropped below 10,000 sales already.

I'm somewhat of a casual fan when it comes to TMNTU. Last one I picked up was #11 and it's still waiting to be read.

Off the top of my head I think I have picked up issues 1,2,5,6,7,8,11. What has stopped me from preordering is a combination of multi issue arcs such as #12 being 1 of 4. And the art style. That's what really turned me off from 9&10 was the look combined with the multiple issues. The most memorable to me for art/story has been 5,6,7,8.

Aren't 12-15 basically a Karai mini-series? I like the one and done issues. Keep the multi-parters for the ongoing and the various mini series releases and do something with the art and I'm tempted to be a preorder TMNTU ever issue guy.

Redeemer

07-29-2017, 03:16 PM

We don't get digital sales numbers - they're kept close to the vest for some reason - but it's been suggested from time to time by vague statements from different companies that they're generally not enough to boost flagging or low sales, so I don't think about them much in regards to this sort of thing.

its actually a good chunk. If you go back through this thread I found a source showing the percentage of comic book sale that are digital. From there you just do simple algebra to find out the probable total sales of books for TMNT.

When I did it last time which i posted in this thread as well I think it was roughly 17 or 18k in sales

CyberCubed

07-29-2017, 03:47 PM

It's hard to skip Universe when all the issues contribute to the main story. The only "filler" issue was the Wyrm one, everything else is basically the same thing as the main series.

myconius

08-04-2017, 06:26 PM

That Wyrm story was pretty awesome though!

CyberCubed

08-04-2017, 06:32 PM

Yeah, the only Universe story I didn't care so much was the recent one with Dreadmon. It was just ok, but it was obviously just there as set-up for a future Null arc that hasn't happened yet.

TurtleWA

08-17-2017, 03:08 PM

July 2017
Usagi Yojimbo 14,181
Ongoing #72 12,674
Universe #12 9,716
Ama Adv Robotanimals #2 5,116

CyberCubed

08-17-2017, 04:41 PM

Glad the Usagi special sold well, I'm hoping Stan Sakai draws more Turtle stories in the future.

Universe might need a revamp in the coming year if its going to still go on. And...the Nick comic's second to last issue is barely above 5,000. Even if sales remained good, it probably would have ended at this point anyway since the cartoon itself is ending.

TurtleWA

08-17-2017, 05:09 PM

Glad the Usagi special sold well, I'm hoping Stan Sakai draws more Turtle stories in the future. I second that. :tsmile:

Universe might need a revamp in the coming year if its going to still go on.

I'm curious if Universe will make it to say issue #30? Also wonder if/when Universe with see a leveling of sales, I mean it's consistently dropped. A steady average with the occasional up would be good but the dropping every issue is concerning.

And...so #72 looks to have added around 107 more than #71. I am a little surprised that an issue advertised as a part 2 of 2 added numbers. But that's good. :)

CyberCubed

08-17-2017, 06:36 PM

Yeah, Universe has only been going on for 1 year so far (12 issues in means 12 months out of the year), and it's sales declined fast. Hopefully it goes on at least a full second year though, if only because it fills in some nice plot threads and gives screentime to characters not in the main ongoing.

TurtleWA

08-17-2017, 07:17 PM

I would be interested in knowing if each individual comic has to pull it's own weight to keep from being cancelled. Or if a mildly successful book could piggyback on a more successful book. As long as a certain overall profit margin is happening within the franchise. I wonder how low sales would need to be before losing money? I think IDW has the imaginary line drawn but keeps it private, understandably. But if Robotanimals is any guideline than it seems 5,000 in sales is still acceptable. Who wouldn't love to sell five thousand of a book. It's 5000 more sales in a month you wouldn't normally have.

tomtmnt

08-19-2017, 12:06 PM

I agree. As long as the main sells well just keep going with it.

You're not telling me they don't make a tidy sum on selling 9000 units!

ToTheNines

08-19-2017, 12:18 PM

Also consider that Universe is $5 instead of $4. If you look at the dollar ranking instead of the units sold, it's barely behind the ongoing.

TurtleWA

08-20-2017, 03:07 PM

Also consider that Universe is $5 instead of $4. If you look at the dollar ranking instead of the units sold, it's barely behind the ongoing.

This post also had me remember the tpb and hc side of the industry. Lots of the original work is already completed. That most likely bumps profit margins and helps with the single issues continuing.

ToTheNines

08-20-2017, 03:11 PM

Plus digital sales don't get reported. No printing costs for those.

TurtleWA

08-20-2017, 03:13 PM

Plus digital sales don't get reported. No printing costs for those.

Oh yeah I forgot about those too. Is digital the same purchase price?

Redeemer

08-20-2017, 04:55 PM

Oh yeah I forgot about those too. Is digital the same purchase price?

When it is initially released yes. But you can usually get killer deals down the line if your patient. LCS usually don't have deals even on back issues, but Comixology has deals regularly on comics.

TurtleWA

09-15-2017, 12:13 AM

August 2017

TMNT #73 13,449

TMNT DimensionX #1 11,247

TMNT DimensionX #2 10,109

TMNT DimensionX #4 9,904

TMNT DimensionX #3 9,889

TMNT DimensionX #5 9,618

TMNTU #13 9,139

http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2017/2017-08.html

CyberCubed

09-15-2017, 12:14 AM

Dimension X sold pretty consistently. Not much of a huge drop from the 5 issues.

AquaParade

09-17-2017, 05:24 PM

I find tmnt universe to be a really hard sell. A lot of the side-characters aren't compelling enough to warrant these multi-part stories, in my opinion.
I'd go for more one-and-done's, issues featuring the turtles, or issues using fan favorite(Mirage) creators.

CyberCubed

09-17-2017, 05:37 PM

I like how universe fills in plot threads that we don't have time for in the ongoing and shows us characters we haven't seen in a while like they're doing with Karai right now, who hasn't appeared since issue 50 in the main series.

But I can see how casuals might think otherwise, hence the lower sales. Oh well.

TurtleWA

09-17-2017, 06:31 PM

One-and-dones/compressed storytelling could also do that thing of filling in and showing characters as well as being a nice refreshing change of pace.

TurtleWA

10-13-2017, 09:33 AM

September 2017

TMNT #74 12,936
TMNTU #14 8,937

From what I noticed IDW had 21 total books listed on the charts for September. TMNT was 3rd and 6th for est units shipped.

http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2017/2017-09.html

CyberCubed

10-13-2017, 11:38 AM

TurtleWA

10-13-2017, 12:22 PM

Sales do seem to be declining each month but as long as TMNT is one of IDW's best selling properties it doesn't matter.

Next year when IDW launches their new Sonic the hedgehog comic I expect that to be their best selling comic at least for a little while.

I don't know. Ducktales #1 launched with the arrival of a new show and is only number four. Star Wars Adventures is number one and two. TMNT is consistently among the top for IDW. Sonic will have tough competition.

CyberCubed

10-13-2017, 01:16 PM

Never underestimate the Sonic fandom. The Archie Sonic comic somehow ran for three decades since the 90's because of fans.

TurtleWA

10-14-2017, 07:47 PM

Looking back TMNTU #1 did almost as many copies as the first issue of the ongoing. Number fifty was a good bump for TMNT. I wonder what will happen with #100?

TMNT Ongoing
#1 34,803
#2 19,333
#3 22,855
#4 22,898
#5 19,689
#6 18,773
#7 18,769
#8 18,775
#9 19,116
#10 19,254
#25 17,833
#45 20,158
#50 33,553
#51 23,247
#55 19,631
#60 16,915

TMNTU
#1 34,471
#2 19,944
#3 15,619
#4 13,769
#5 13,201

Redeemer

10-14-2017, 08:08 PM

TurtleWA

10-14-2017, 08:40 PM

I am sure the numbers will swing back up, especially bc of collectors and variants.

How much of an upswing will #100 get do you think, triple current number? Publicity and marketing will do a lot. It will be great to see a big number. :tsmile:

Redeemer

10-15-2017, 04:37 PM

How much of an upswing will #100 get do you think, triple current number? Publicity and marketing will do a lot. It will be great to see a big number. :tsmile:

I'd imagine it will hit over 30k again, we will know a few issues before hand bc the issues leading up to 50 also showed a spike in sales.
So issue 95-99 will probably sell about 23-24k and 100 will shoot up to 30k

TurtleWA

11-13-2017, 03:23 PM

October 2017. According to
http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2017/2017-10.html
Items marked with asterisks had their reported orders reduced by 10% due to returnability. Whatever that’s about?
TMNT #75 * 14,855
TMNTU #15 8,656

CyberCubed

11-13-2017, 03:27 PM

Wonder how much longer into next year Universe will go on for with continually shrinking sales. They really need to drop the $5 price point and just go with 20 page issues.

Redeemer

11-13-2017, 04:26 PM

Wonder how much longer into next year Universe will go on for with continually shrinking sales. They really need to drop the $5 price point and just go with 20 page issues.

Agree this is really killing the book. The back story is pointless imo.

ChosenOne

11-13-2017, 04:31 PM

So, for those who understand the finer points of sales, is it looking good or bad for the chances of Universe sticking around as a companion title at least until #100 of the main ongoing?

CyberCubed

11-13-2017, 05:44 PM

ChosenOne

11-13-2017, 07:46 PM

I think Bobby said Universe issues are already planned through all of 2018, so we'll get at least another full year of 12 issues out of it. By 2019 though is probably when it'll end unless sales turn around.

Thanks. If it does have to end prematurely, I hope it's capped off with a nice round number. At least make it past #24, and hopefully up to #30. It'll be a shame if we have to see the title go some day, though. There's still plenty of untapped potential and stories to be told.

spookycookies

11-13-2017, 11:03 PM

yes. this is why we buy comics and help support the medium, so that they don't end prematurely.

if someone does not contribute to sales of something they claim to really love, well that's quite ironic i'd say.

very ironic indeed.

This is why I buy 3 copies minimum of every issue of TMNT IDW publishes, I want this book to live long and do well. Sure I'm not your typical customer but I also don't buy any other comic on a monthly basis. To each their own though.

CyberCubed

11-13-2017, 11:20 PM

This is why I buy 3 copies minimum of every issue of TMNT IDW publishes,.

Heh, really? I just buy the single issues, and then when the trades come out I sell off the single issues on ebay.

Now I'm thinking about selling off the TPB's to switch to the huge hardback collections.

myconius

11-14-2017, 10:12 AM

This is why I buy 3 copies minimum of every issue of TMNT IDW publishes, I want this book to live long and do well. Sure I'm not your typical customer but I also don't buy any other comic on a monthly basis. To each their own though.

Heh, really? I just buy the single issues, and then when the trades come out I sell off the single issues on ebay.

Now I'm thinking about selling off the TPB's to switch to the huge hardback collections.

i tip my hat to both of you fine Gentlemen!

i too help support the IDW Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles comics by buying every single Issue to come out as well as in digital. (and any variant cover that isn't ridiculously overpriced)
then i buy the subsequent releases in both Trade Paperback as well as Hardcover collections.

[Mod Edit: Enough personal jabs at ChosenOne. You've been harassing him in threads all over the place, knock it off and move on. - Machias]

spookycookies

11-15-2017, 12:30 AM

i tip my hat to both of you fine Gentlemen!

i too help support the IDW Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles comics by buying every single Issue to come out as well as in digital. (and any variant cover that isn't ridiculously overpriced)
then i buy the subsequent releases in both Trade Paperback as well as Hardcover collections.

unfortunately there are those out there that claim to love the series yet will not help support it even by purchasing the issues, nor paperback, nor hardcovers, not even Comixology.
yet they are overly vocal about wanting the series to continue on.

(COUGHCOUGHchosenoneCOUGHCOUGH)

i don't know.... maybe it's just me? but i do find that pretty annoying.
especially when they go into the editor's thread talking about what they'd like to see in the series. or how they'd love it if the Mutanimals would get their own standalone comic.

might as well go to a restaurant, order up an elaborate meal, then tell them you aren't going to pay for it.

Thank you, I even think I'm a little overboard on it. I am nuts about variant covers but I think for readability I may go with those big hardcovers they have. I don't think Comixology lets you sort the micro series in with the numbered issues as well as universe and cross overs etc.? I have no experience with digital comic services. Any how I love the work the people who put all their time into making this series happen and I am glad to pay for it each month and I hope it continues for as long as possible. If we come to a point though where the story is rebooted then I am probably out the door ha ha. I don't care if they have to renumber it to get the general audience back but please don't have us go through another re-telling of the first time the Turtles encountered Shredder, Stock man, Leather-head etc.

myconius

11-15-2017, 06:50 PM

Thank you, I even think I'm a little overboard on it. I am nuts about variant covers but I think for readability I may go with those big hardcovers they have. I don't think Comixology lets you sort the micro series in with the numbered issues as well as universe and cross overs etc.? I have no experience with digital comic services. Any how I love the work the people who put all their time into making this series happen and I am glad to pay for it each month and I hope it continues for as long as possible. If we come to a point though where the story is rebooted then I am probably out the door ha ha. I don't care if they have to renumber it to get the general audience back but please don't have us go through another re-telling of the first time the Turtles encountered Shredder, Stock man, Leather-head etc.

you’re welcome, i’m probably just as overboard.
the Hardcovers really are nice and the larger size lets you enjoy the art more. the only downside the them is that they do not contain all of the variant covers like the trade paperbacks do. so i collect the TPB as well.
no, unfortunately comixology does not follow the chronological reading order of ongoing/mini-series/etc…
what i do is keep a word document of the reading order handy, and manually open and read each issue in sequence. i used to like to read the physical comic first and then read it a second time in digital. but the ‘guided view’ on comixology has spoiled me. :P

oh! i really hope they never renumber the series!
the way this series is very held to continuity, all renumbering it would do is confuse and drive away new readers.
imagine telling someone how we see Hamato Yoshi’s origin with the foot clan in issue #5, they go and up the renumbered comic. they'd be completely lost.
best thing they can do to attract new readers is stunts like the Batman cross-over. maybe even the Injustice cameo?

Redeemer

11-15-2017, 08:10 PM

i tip my hat to both of you fine Gentlemen!

i too help support the IDW Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles comics by buying every single Issue to come out as well as in digital. (and any variant cover that isn't ridiculously overpriced)
then i buy the subsequent releases in both Trade Paperback as well as Hardcover collections.

unfortunately there are those out there that claim to love the series yet will not help support it even by purchasing the issues, nor paperback, nor hardcovers, not even Comixology.
yet they are overly vocal about wanting the series to continue on.

(COUGHCOUGHchosenoneCOUGHCOUGH)

i don't know.... maybe it's just me? but i do find that pretty annoying.
especially when they go into the editor's thread talking about what they'd like to see in the series. or how they'd love it if the Mutanimals would get their own standalone comic.

might as well go to a restaurant, order up an elaborate meal, then tell them you aren't going to pay for it.

Yeah this guys has an ego to go in there an do that while openly admitting to not supporting the series. :lol:

But I think the point is we need you two to keep inflating these sales figures so the series can live on :lol:

I currently only by the issues monthly from my LCS, but will eventually get the giant hardcovers/Omnibus for reading purposes

spookycookies

11-15-2017, 09:57 PM

you’re welcome, i’m probably just as overboard.
the Hardcovers really are nice and the larger size lets you enjoy the art more. the only downside the them is that they do not contain all of the variant covers like the trade paperbacks do. so i collect the TPB as well.
no, unfortunately comixology does not follow the chronological reading order of ongoing/mini-series/etc…
what i do is keep a word document of the reading order handy, and manually open and read each issue in sequence. i used to like to read the physical comic first and then read it a second time in digital. but the ‘guided view’ on comixology has spoiled me. :P
yeah, thankfully there are those of us that actually support the series.

oh! i really hope they never renumber the series!
the way this series is very held to continuity, all renumbering it would do is confuse and drive away new readers.
imagine telling someone how we see Hamato Yoshi’s origin with the foot clan in issue #5, they go and up the renumbered comic. they'd be completely lost.
best thing they can do to attract new readers is stunts like the Batman cross-over. maybe even the Injustice cameo?

You know, I think that the free sampler they give out every year or so is a great primer for new people to jump into, but my LCS and apparently many to most LCS's did not know about TMNT or why it was a thing. I am glad we are doing stuff like TMNT/Ghostbusters and Batman and Injustice and I am sure once IDW gets their feet on the ground with Sonic he will end up meeting the turtles as well.

As for universe, forgive me if I already said my piece on it but I think that with all the characters running around in TMNT we could have never managed with just one monthly book. The micros were ok but I think it's better to have a solid numbering system so universe has that going for it but I think the problems it has kind of has to do with how it manages the order of content. If the main line of comics is doing 4-5 issue story arcs then I think universe should try and keep to 1-2 issue stories, 3 at the most. I know you got to write for the trade but we can't ever have another 4 issue April & Casey again, even people like me who put a large amount of their spending money into this series are struggling to deal with that. I'm not the editor I don't know all the numbers but there's got to be a balance. The next Universe story looks great and i think people are going to like it because it has the turtles staring in it but we still have a lot of other characters that need time. I guess the best way to handle it was like back in 34-36 where we had 1/2 turtles with a few side characters. That's how Universe should work.

myconius

11-16-2017, 08:14 AM

You know, I think that the free sampler they give out every year or so is a great primer for new people to jump into, but my LCS and apparently many to most LCS's did not know about TMNT or why it was a thing. I am glad we are doing stuff like TMNT/Ghostbusters and Batman and Injustice and I am sure once IDW gets their feet on the ground with Sonic he will end up meeting the turtles as well.

As for universe, forgive me if I already said my piece on it but I think that with all the characters running around in TMNT we could have never managed with just one monthly book. The micros were ok but I think it's better to have a solid numbering system so universe has that going for it but I think the problems it has kind of has to do with how it manages the order of content. If the main line of comics is doing 4-5 issue story arcs then I think universe should try and keep to 1-2 issue stories, 3 at the most. I know you got to write for the trade but we can't ever have another 4 issue April & Casey again, even people like me who put a large amount of their spending money into this series are struggling to deal with that. I'm not the editor I don't know all the numbers but there's got to be a balance. The next Universe story looks great and i think people are going to like it because it has the turtles staring in it but we still have a lot of other characters that need time. I guess the best way to handle it was like back in 34-36 where we had 1/2 turtles with a few side characters. That's how Universe should work.

yeah i wish that the Free sampler had better distribution. my LCS didn’t even get it.
i believe IDW has given away free copies of issue #1 in the past, as well as selling the greatest hits copy of it for $1.
that’s always a good way to hook new readers.

i agree about the necessity of Tmnt Universe. and as much as i love having the back-up stories (most of the time)
there are times i’d rather the back-up occasionally be sacrificed, unless there is a story that really needs to be told like ‘Inside Out’ or ‘what is ninja?’
i also do like the flexibility of being able to see 2 to 3 or even 4 issue supporting arcs in Universe. yeah Casey & April was definitely a story that could have been told in a single issue i think. i almost feel like Tmnt Universe #11 felt like another filler story that didn’t really do much for the series overall. i’m actually really happy the Turtles will be more of focus in the upcoming Universe arc.
i love the series. but i just wish the Turtles were more front and center.

But I think the point is we need you two to keep inflating these sales figures so the series can live on :lol:

I currently only by the issues monthly from my LCS, but will eventually get the giant hardcovers/Omnibus for reading purposes

just doing my part citizen. :lol:

how you just get the single issues from your LCS, that's the best way to do it. :tgrin:

CyberCubed

12-29-2017, 10:04 PM

TurtleWA

12-29-2017, 10:25 PM

Universe only sold 8,000 copies this month, might be the lowest a IDW TMNT comic ever sold unless I'm forgetting something.

Does your post #598 count? The September sales page 30.

CyberCubed

12-29-2017, 10:58 PM

Oh yeah, I wasn't counting the Nick Adventures comic, just the main IDW TMNT series and its spinoffs.

Joey Kamikaze

12-31-2017, 01:23 PM

November sales weren't posted here, so:

http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2017/2017-11.html

TMNT Ongoing #76 12,258
TMNT Ghostbusters II all sold between the 10,000-12,000 range
TMNT Universe 16 8,044

No December sales yet of course.

Universe only sold 8,000 copies this month, might be the lowest a IDW TMNT comic ever sold unless I'm forgetting something.

Been a while since I was checking this board or sales numbers. Life gets in the way.

But doing a quick Find by IDW, it looks like the main TMNT book is their third best-selling overall; the second-best ongoing below Star Wars Adventurers (the Ghostbusters crossover #1 beat the ongoing by about 500). TMNU is #12 for IDW overall, but if you don't count the TMNT/GB crossover, it comes in #7 for IDW's ongoings by my count. (I'm assuming Star Trek Discovery and Sword of Ages are ongoings? They're both at #1 this month, which explains why they sold so well.)

Far as I can tell, the TMNT secondary book beat the My Little Pony and Transformer secondary books. If you look at where TMNTU stands in IDW's rankings, it's doing fairly well, at least by this list. And the TMNT ongoing continues to be one of IDW's top performers month to month.

...How did I miss that IDW publishes Star Wars Adventures? I've been buying those for my nieces. No surprise to see that one selling gangbusters.

CyberCubed

01-15-2018, 06:26 PM

Redeemer

01-15-2018, 08:05 PM

December sales are in!

Batman TMNT 2 #1: 50,213 :o

Batman TMNT 2 #2: 41,791

TMNT #77: 11,270

TMNT Universe #17: 7,869

http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2017/2017-12.html

Now we know why there's a second Batman/TMNT crossover, sales are through the roof.

On the opposite end of the spectrum, TMNT Universe sales are sinking faster than the Titanic in 1912. :teek:

Did you happen to see the sales from the first series? They were about the same as well. Unfortunately TMNT Universe is going to belly up I think. #18 WILL SELL LESS THAN 5000 I bet. But we also have to remember these numbers do not include digital sales as well So TMNT universe might be safe still.

CyberCubed

01-16-2018, 11:18 AM

I expect Universe to continue through all of 2018, so we should get another 12 issues. I don't know about 2019 though, unless sales stabilize.

I guess if sales dip to 5,000 or less monthly, it's probably a sign they'll either re-tool it or replace it with separate mini's/specials like they used to. Or more 5 issue a month specials like Dimension X or Bebop/Rocksteady.

TurtleWA

01-16-2018, 01:22 PM

The ongoing seems to have dropped a large amount this time. IDK Could be because of the bat crossover? Ongoing is about at the same number Universe was at only ten issues ago.

Utrommaniac

01-16-2018, 01:36 PM

My guess is that the Batman crossover sales are "normies" that just enjoy the bada$$ery of that concept. Those who don't know that IDW is doing its own line and just say "Yeah, I'll take that crossover". Which isn't bad, but hey...they should stick around.

TurtleWA

01-16-2018, 01:50 PM

The ongoing dropped by almost 1000, that seems like a lot of folks jumping ship.

Sabacooza

01-16-2018, 01:59 PM

That's what happens I guess when the TMNT become background characters in their own comic.

Utrommaniac

01-16-2018, 01:59 PM

Or maybe the digital versions should start getting counted.

CyberCubed

01-16-2018, 02:05 PM

Is there any place that tracks digital sales? I really wonder why it isn't made public.

TurtleWA

01-16-2018, 02:07 PM

That's what happens I guess when the TMNT become background characters in their own comic.

It’s not new so much. I recently read #14 from vol 1 and it was kind of like that. It must be easy for writers to fall into that type of deal of having other characters front and center.

Redeemer

01-16-2018, 03:04 PM

The ongoing dropped by almost 1000, that seems like a lot of folks jumping ship.

No I doubt that. There is a drop in sales during the holidays from my understanding. I remember this happening last year and the sales did pick back up.

TurtleWA

01-16-2018, 03:06 PM

No I doubt that. There is a drop in sales during the holidays from my understanding. I remember this happening last year and the sales did pick back up.

That’s good news. :tsmile:

Utrommaniac

01-16-2018, 03:07 PM

That actually makes a lot of sense...though you'd think they would go up during the holidays. But then again, who in these days wants 20 page comic issues for Christmas?

(Well...I mean I do...if they're the original issues of Bone...)

TurtleWA

02-18-2018, 06:16 PM

January 2018

Batman/TMNT #3
35,028

TMNT #78
11,930

TMNTU #18
7,773

http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2018/2018-01.html

neatoman

02-19-2018, 04:41 AM

January 2018

Batman/TMNT #3
35,028

TMNT #78
11,930

TMNTU #18
7,773

http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2018/2018-01.html

And yet the Star Wars books barely sell better...

CyberCubed

02-19-2018, 11:24 AM

And yet the Star Wars books barely sell better...

You mean IDW's Star Wars releases?

Becuase the main Star Wars comics by Marvel sold this:

Star Wars #41 56,545
Star Wars #42 53,710

The Star Wars comics sell over 50,000 copies most issues, nearly 5 times the amount as an IDW TMNT book.

AquaParade

02-19-2018, 11:32 AM

I wonder what they could do to get sales up.

Obviously the first things that come to mind are "Big 2" tactics like relaunch with a #1 or start hyping up a line-wide event focused on TMNT, with heavy marketing.

Not saying it's the way to go, just speculating.

neatoman

02-19-2018, 11:57 AM

You mean IDW's Star Wars releases?

Becuase the main Star Wars comics by Marvel sold this:

Star Wars #41 56,545
Star Wars #42 53,710

The Star Wars comics sell over 50,000 copies most issues, nearly 5 times the amount as an IDW TMNT book.

"Yes, of course I'm comparing the Star Wars titles published by one of the big two to one published by a smaller publisher".

No, of course not. It's the kiddy stuff by IDW, I compared those to TMNT as they have the same publisher.

TurtleWA

02-19-2018, 11:58 AM

The Star Wars comics sell over 50,000 copies most issues, nearly 5 times the amount as an IDW TMNT book.

It would be interesting to know how much money was spent on marketing costs and creative costs and whatever else. Does 5X more sales translate to 5X the profit?

Redeemer

02-20-2018, 09:06 PM

It would be interesting to know how much money was spent on marketing costs and creative costs and whatever else. Does 5X more sales translate to 5X the profit?

I think a lack of marketing is a big problem for this book's sales

myconius

02-22-2018, 09:51 PM

That's what happens I guess when the TMNT become background characters in their own comic.

this is exactly how i feel too!

when i buy a comic with 'Ninja Turtles' in the title, i expect to read a story about the Turtles.
not just have them show up for maybe 3 or 4 pages as a bunch of ineffectual bystanders.

CyberCubed

02-23-2018, 12:52 AM

It's only been like that in the few recent Triceraton issues, but I suspect they'll have a bigger role in parts 4 and 5.

myconius

02-23-2018, 05:55 AM

i feel like it's been a slow progression of the Turtles becoming more and more of just bystanders in their own series.
#67-70 they were pretty much ineffectual though the entire arc, with the exception of #70.
#71 they sit out the entire issue, save the very last page.
#72 the turtles are pretty much just running away and/or getting slapped around.
#73-74 are extremely exposition heavy build-up issues. the turtles spend most of those issues either talking, or listening to other characters talk.

issue #75 was very disjointed and very jarring.

i did NOT like the opening art. it lacked the visual story-telling it needed to convey the grand scale of battle, both the space scene and even more-so in the ground assault. it just looked very stagnant and unexciting.
Mateus Santolouco's pages were dynamic and exciting to look at.
but then it goes back and forth between dynamic art, then cartoony art.

90% of the second half of issue is all deliberation and courtroom dialog.
it's very painful trying to re-read issue #75.

and now #76, 77 & 78 the turtles are barely even in the comic.
when they do show up they really don't so much for the plot.

Tmnt: Universe is just a whole other can of worms.

there was a time when i could strongly recommend this series to anyone.
over the last year or so not so much.

it's really sad because i used to really look forward to picking up the new Tmnt issue each month. as time goes on i get less and less excited.