IDW TMNT Sales Charts

[spookycookies]

I just got word today from my LCS that they won't be getting a 1:10 for Universe until further notice because it just hasn't been selling at my store. It's a shame because now I'm going to have to ship in a copy from Midtown each month, and I'm still buying 2 copies of each issue of universe.

I think if this book wants to do better it HAS to drop the $5 pricing, I'm sure that is turning a lot of people away. One thing I think they are doing better is making sure at least one of the turtles is in each story, at least that's what it is looking like this year.

We really need a sister book to the main series and if universe does end up being cancelled I hope something takes it's place that takes the best of this book but does better.

[myconius]

yes! the $5 price tag, and the fact that the title reads "Tmnt" yet there rarely are any turtles in the comic most of the time.

i'll be honest. the art of the main stories for issues 16, 17 & 18 weren't doing this series any favors either.

[Redeemer]

i feel like it's been a slow progression of the Turtles becoming more and more of just bystanders in their own series.
#67-70 they were pretty much ineffectual though the entire arc, with the exception of #70.
#71 they sit out the entire issue, save the very last page.
#72 the turtles are pretty much just running away and/or getting slapped around.
#73-74 are extremely exposition heavy build-up issues. the turtles spend most of those issues either talking, or listening to other characters talk.

issue #75 was very disjointed and very jarring.

i did NOT like the opening art. it lacked the visual story-telling it needed to convey the grand scale of battle, both the space scene and even more-so in the ground assault. it just looked very stagnant and unexciting.
Mateus Santolouco's pages were dynamic and exciting to look at.
but then it goes back and forth between dynamic art, then cartoony art.

90% of the second half of issue is all deliberation and courtroom dialog.
it's very painful trying to re-read issue #75.

and now #76, 77 & 78 the turtles are barely even in the comic.
when they do show up they really don't so much for the plot.

Tmnt: Universe is just a whole other can of worms.

there was a time when i could strongly recommend this series to anyone.
over the last year or so not so much.

it's really sad because i used to really look forward to picking up the new Tmnt issue each month. as time goes on i get less and less excited.

yes! the $5 price tag, and the fact that the title reads "Tmnt" yet there rarely are any turtles in the comic most of the time.

i'll be honest. the art of the main stories for issues 16, 17 & 18 weren't doing this series any favors either.

You have a lot of good points and I completely agree that I feel the turtles have become bystanders far too often in recent issues. I understand that at times it is necessary for other characters besides the turtles to get time in order to build up stories and even an entire universe, but I feel like it is being done far too often.

[CyberCubed]

If you guys have read the most recent issue #79 the Turtles had a pretty big role in it, and they'll obviously have a big role in #80 too given how it ended. I think the difference is the Krang trial and Triceraton invasion had a huge cast and they had to focus on everyone and all the supporting characters, that's why the Turtles themselves didn't get much focus. But they did get a lot of focus in the Dimension X 5-parter which came out the same time.

As for Universe, even if it does end sometime in the future I'm sure they'll replace it with a bunch of mini's and specials so it won't make too much a difference. We'll most likely always have more than one IDW TMNT comic coming.

[Utrommaniac]

I feel like the purpose of "Universe" is, for the most part, to put the spotlight on other characters so it's not taken away from the turtles in the main line. The second purpose is to introduce characters and storylines where it wouldn't necessarily fit into the main line as much.

These last several issues have had huge casts as pointed out before, so of course the turtles are going to get a little sidelined. But once the Triceratons leave and they just have the Rat King to deal with, I think things will even out a little bit - plus some Casey and Jennika.

[Shark_Blade]

I think a lack of marketing is a big problem for this book's sales

I believe this to be the case. Archie Comics have a Twitter account promoting its books for example. So when new books/series debut, people are informed.

[myconius]

If you guys have read the most recent issue #79 the Turtles had a pretty big role in it, and they'll obviously have a big role in #80 too given how it ended. I think the difference is the Krang trial and Triceraton invasion had a huge cast and they had to focus on everyone and all the supporting characters, that's why the Turtles themselves didn't get much focus. But they did get a lot of focus in the Dimension X 5-parter which came out the same time.

As for Universe, even if it does end sometime in the future I'm sure they'll replace it with a bunch of mini's and specials so it won't make too much a difference. We'll most likely always have more than one IDW TMNT comic coming.

the problem with this logic is that many people only buy the ongoing and not the supplemental titles.
what good is seeing the turtles in plenty of action during a mini-series only to return to the main title and barely be in it.
so we have 3 issues of bystander title characters only for them to begin to be more active at the tail-end of the 4th issue of a 5 issue arc. i'm not liking this formula. i find it very unsatisfying.


I feel like the purpose of "Universe" is, for the most part, to put the spotlight on other characters so it's not taken away from the turtles in the main line. The second purpose is to introduce characters and storylines where it wouldn't necessarily fit into the main line as much.

These last several issues have had huge casts as pointed out before, so of course the turtles are going to get a little sidelined. But once the Triceratons leave and they just have the Rat King to deal with, I think things will even out a little bit - plus some Casey and Jennika.

if Universe is a book focused on introducing more characters, then it's only convoluting an already overcrowded story with more loose plot-threads that it knows how to deal with.

where's the focus? it's like hodgepodge storytelling.

less is more. Mirage had the right idea by limiting the amount of mutants, and keeping the sole focus on the Turtles.

if i as a new paying customer tried buying a Spider-Man comic and it was all about Aunt May i'd be pretty disappointed.

You have a lot of good points and I completely agree that I feel the turtles have become bystanders far too often in recent issues. I understand that at times it is necessary for other characters besides the turtles to get time in order to build up stories and even an entire universe, but I feel like it is being done far too often.

thank you. it really does pain me to admit all these things.
but i've been feeling so disappointed by this series (which i've loved) for a long while now. and it feels like it's not improving any time soon.
the only reason i open my mouth is because the thought of dropping the title keeps coming to mind.
i don't because i'm hoping to feel that spark of excitement from this series again. but the way things have been going i can't say i'm liking it.

[Rooish]

I'm sure it will bring it back to the Turtles for the final stretch (which I assume is to get up to issue 100?)

Is there any risk of it getting cancelled from these kind of sales? I would hate to see that with all the loose plot threads.

[CyberCubed]

No. Not anytime soon.

[Utrommaniac]

Yeah, TMNT is still IDW's top seller even if the sales don't look awesome.

[TurtleWA]

Yeah, TMNT is still IDW's top seller even if the sales don't look awesome.

I think IDW StarWars out sold TMNT in January.

I wonder what IDW pays in licensing fees to Nick? Does that take a significant chunk out of profits? Nick could tell IDW to end the ongoing I think. I’m not sure how much power IDW has in things like that. So the decision to stay the course isn’t completely up to IDW because of the licensing. At least with my limited understanding that’s the way things appear.

[TurtleWA]

February 2018

Batman/TMNT #4 32,128

TMNT Ongoing #79 10,572

TMNT Universe #19 7,429

http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2018/2018-02.html

[myconius]

February 2018

Batman/TMNT #4 32,128

TMNT Ongoing #79 10,572

TMNT Universe #19 7,429

http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2018/2018-02.html

and so the sales numbers continue to drop.

guess i'm not the only one who's been routinely disappointed with how the series has been going.

[TurtleWA]

and so the sales numbers continue to drop.

guess i'm not the only one who's been routinely disappointed with how the series has been going.

I know good things do come to an end. I know realistically the current ongoing can’t go for 800 issues. Even if we hope it does. I do think we will always have a TMNT comic. It’s just when does the change happen and what will it look like? It will be very interesting to see what happens after #100.

[myconius]

I know good things do come to an end. I know realistically the current ongoing can’t go for 800 issues. Even if we hope it does. I do think we will always have a TMNT comic. It’s just when does the change happen and what will it look like? It will be very interesting to see what happens after #100.

it feels like whatever they were planning for issue 100 should have already happened by now.

the story has been just dragging it's feet to get to the milestone issue, and sacrificing good storytelling in the process.

i really don't like admitting these things, but i have to be honest.
a friend of mine keeps asking me why i keep spending money on a comic i'm not enjoying.
the truth is i WANT to enjoy it, but it's really not giving me much to enjoy.
my reply to the question was that i'm just a hopeless optimist. hoping to feel that spark once more.
but like all things in things in life ... things change ... eventually they end.
they keep going the way they've been, i'm not so sure i'd care to see what happens past 100.
i'd rather see things get wrapped up on a high note than stagger into the dust.

[TurtleWA]

it feels like whatever they were planning for issue 100 should have already happened by now.

It’s getting really close if it’s going to be like CityAtWar length. That would mean issue #87 would have to kick off something epic. I personally don’t think it needs to be that many issues though.

If #100 was the end of the current ongoing as we know it. Well I’d be happy with issues 95-100 not being multi-parters at all. Just really great self contained stories. But I don’t think IDW will break the formula that is in place currently just for me. :toops:

[Andrew NDB]

As the OP... if anyone wants to compile a list of all the sales stuff since where I left off, I can cut and paste it into the original post.

[TurtleWA]

This is the last few months of posts from this thread. Not the same format as original post and it skips a crapload of issues. But anyway it’s something.

5/17
TMNT #69: 13,726
TMNT Universe 10: 10,233
Batman TMNT Adventures #6 23,210
TMNT Funko Universe: 9,856

6/17
TMNT #70: 12,748
TMNT #71: 12,567
TMNT Universe 11: 9,882

7/17
Usagi Yojimbo 14,181
Ongoing #72 12,674
Universe #12 9,716
Ama Adv Robotanimals #2 5,116

8/17
TMNT #73 13,449
TMNT DimensionX #1 11,247
TMNT DimensionX #2 10,109
TMNT DimensionX #4 9,904
TMNT DimensionX #3 9,889
TMNT DimensionX #5 9,618
TMNTU #13 9,139

9/17
TMNT #74 12,936
TMNTU #14 8,937

10/17
TMNT #75 14,855
TMNTU #15 8,656

11/17
TMNT Ongoing #76 12,258
TMNT Ghostbusters II all sold between the 10,000-12,000 range
TMNT Universe 16 8,044

12/17
Batman TMNT 2 #1: 50,213
Batman TMNT 2 #2: 41,791
TMNT #77: 11,270
TMNT Universe #17: 7,869

1/18
Batman/TMNT #3 35,028
TMNT #78 11,930
TMNTU #18 7,773

2/18
Batman/TMNT #4 32,128
TMNT Ongoing #79 10,572
TMNT Universe #19 7,429

[CyberCubed]

March sales:

http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2018/2018-03.html

Batman/TMNT #5: 31,087

TMNT #80: 12,706

TMNT Universe #20: 7,385

[Redeemer]

March sales:

http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2018/2018-03.html

Batman/TMNT #5: 31,087

TMNT #80: 12,706

TMNT Universe #20: 7,385

Glad to see the ongoing is counting to bounce back in terms of sales.

[TurtleWA]

April 2018

TMNT #81
10,724

TMNTU #21
7,280

Batman/TMNT #6
30,170

http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2018/2018-04.html

[HotJuicyBurgers]

April 2018

TMNT #81
10,724

TMNTU #21
7,280

Batman/TMNT #6
30,170

http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2018/2018-04.html

While it may be seem low, the ongoing is IDW's biggest seller besides Sonic which just had a reboot and a new number 1 which would obviously bring a ton more attention, and Starwars.

[oldmanwinters]

While it may be seem low, the ongoing is IDW's biggest seller besides Sonic which just had a reboot and a new number 1 which would obviously bring a ton more attention, and Starwars.

What happened to My Little Pony's market share?

[HotJuicyBurgers]

What happened to My Little Pony's market share?

Below the ongoing and above tmnt universe. However TMNT universe still made more money than MLP since it is a 5 dollar book.

[CyberCubed]

I noticed all of IDW's comics across the board sales are low, besides Sonic because that's brand new and just started. I don't know how they keep the Ghostbusters, Gi-Joe, Back to the Future, Transformers, etc. comics still running when a lot of them only sell 5,000 copies or less a month.

[HotJuicyBurgers]

I noticed all of IDW's comics across the board sales are low, besides Sonic because that's brand new and just started. I don't know how they keep the Ghostbusters, Gi-Joe, Back to the Future, Transformers, etc. comics still running when a lot of them only sell 5,000 copies or less a month.

I would assume that they are still making money so why cut them? Hence why i'm not understanding why people are speculating that they will cancel the tmnt ongoing anytime soon.

[CyberCubed]

So now that we know TMNT Universe is canceled, this is the most recent sales posted:

TMNTU #21
7,280


TMNT Universe was only selling a little over 7,000 copies with a $5 price tag, I guess it wasn't worth it. We still have 4 new issues of Universe to go, I wonder if the last 4 issues will do any better.

[rich]

So now that we know TMNT Universe is canceled, this is the most recent sales posted:

TMNTU #21
7,280


TMNT Universe was only selling a little over 7,000 copies with a $5 price tag, I guess it wasn't worth it. We still have 4 new issues of Universe to go, I wonder if the last 4 issues will do any better.

Hey CyberCubed, I've heard rumors for a while now that TMNT Universe was going to be canceled and I've still not seen an official announcement of this. I've searched around a bit and still no luck. Do you have a source for an official cancellation notice? Thanks man!

[ChosenOne]

Hey CyberCubed, I've heard rumors for a while now that TMNT Universe was going to be canceled and I've still not seen an official announcement of this. I've searched around a bit and still no luck. Do you have a source for an official cancellation notice? Thanks man!

It was revealed today with the August solicitations (http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=60002).

[rich]

It was revealed today with the August solicitations (http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=60002).

Ah, now I see it. "Fantastic Final Issue" Missed that during my first read this morning.
Many thanks!

[BartAllen]

Ah, now I see it. "Fantastic Final Issue" Missed that during my first read this morning.
Many thanks!

Wow, how many titles at IDW are ending? I know their Transformers books are coming to an end, but I had no idea the main TMNT ongoing was also ending.

[MikeandRaph87]

Wow, how many titles at IDW are ending? I know their Transformers books are coming to an end, but I had no idea the main TMNT ongoing was also ending.

No, TMNT Universe is ending. Its been decided at IDW for a few months now. It will be replaced by another title. At this time it is unclear if its a succession of minis or another secondary title.

[TurtleWA]

May 2018

TMNT Urban Legends #1
12,735

TMNT Ongoing #82
11,207

TMNT Universe #22
8,103

http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2018/2018-05.html

[CyberCubed]

Image series is off to a good start with over 12,000, almost at 13,000. I'm sure it'll decline rapidly as we get through the next few issues, but it sold more than the main IDW ongoing did this month which is shocking.

[TurtleWA]

I was expecting it to be up near the usual TMNT/Batman crossover numbers. But I guess that’s not really a fair comparison. But I was thinking issue one was going to be at like 20,000 plus for numbers and then cut in half for the second issue.

[MikeandRaph87]

I was expecting it to be up near the usual TMNT/Batman crossover numbers. But I guess that’s not really a fair comparison. But I was thinking issue one was going to be at like 20,000 plus for numbers and then cut in half for the second issue.

Its the #1 effect that the industry loves and does not understand the dive it will take form there.

I am surprised at TMNT#82's #s. I am really enjoying the series.

[CyberCubed]

June's sales:

TMNT Ongoing #83 10,683
TMNT Urban Legends #2 8,387
TMNT Universe #23 7,152

All the sales dipped quite a bit in June compared to last month. TMNT Universes last two issues will probably wind up in the 6,000's sales probably. Hopefully Urban legends doesn't dip too badly so we get all 23 issues reprinted.

[Mayhem]

Let's see how #3 and #4 go, there were quite a few variants to #1 as expected.

[CyberCubed]

At only one issue out a month it'll take to roughly early 2020 to finish the Image run. If it doesn't last that long in single issues I hope we at least get trades.

[Joey Kamikaze]

The hard numbers make me nervous (I remember this book doing more in the 20-25k range), but I look and it's still IDW's third best seller, and far older than either of the books above it. Only the new Sonic book and Star Wars Adventures (which my 6 year old niece loves) are above the TMNT ongoing. Even the trades are some of IDW's best selling in their category. So I guess I won't worry.

Also, the Image reprint seems to be doing well for IDW as well. That makes me happy, as I enjoyed #2 and I've never read volume 3.

[Redeemer]

The hard numbers make me nervous (I remember this book doing more in the 20-25k range), but I look and it's still IDW's third best seller, and far older than either of the books above it. Only the new Sonic book and Star Wars Adventures (which my 6 year old niece loves) are above the TMNT ongoing. Even the trades are some of IDW's best selling in their category. So I guess I won't worry.

Also, the Image reprint seems to be doing well for IDW as well. That makes me happy, as I enjoyed #2 and I've never read volume 3.

TMNT never did that well I don't believe is was always hover around 15k after the first year or so. But its been the low teens since post issue #50 and when we get to a hundred I promise you that issue will see a drastic spike in terms of sales.

Also these sales numbers do not include digital comic sales.

[MikeandRaph87]

Do we ever get an idea of digital sales?

[CyberCubed]

Do we ever get an idea of digital sales?

Unless there's some other way to find out, or if IDW themselves reveal it in press releases, I don't think so. I don't know why Comic Chron doesn't report digital sales, unless there's just no way to keep track of it unless the companies themselves reveal it.

[Joey Kamikaze]

TMNT never did that well I don't believe is was always hover around 15k after the first year or so. But its been the low teens since post issue #50 and when we get to a hundred I promise you that issue will see a drastic spike in terms of sales.

Also these sales numbers do not include digital comic sales.
I still remember this book doing more around 20-25k consistently, but that was years ago now. It's been one of IDW's best sellers for a long time.

I mean, it may not be "doing well" for Marvel numbers, but it's consistently been one of IDW's best sellers for years, at least in physical copies and trades. For a while TMNT and MLP were going back and forth as IDW's #1 best seller monthly.

I don't worry too much about this series on IDW's end. Hopefully some Nick exec doesn't make a horrible short-sighted decision and yank the license at some point. I hope this book goes another 300 issues. This has become the definitive version of the TMNT mythos IMO, and it deserves to have a long run and be one of those books people are still talking about 30 years later, like Watchmen or 90s X-Men.

EDIT: Oh yeah, I'm on a board, not Reddit. Formatting, haha.

[CyberCubed]

July's sales weren't posted here yet:

TMNT Ongoing #84 10,316
TMNT Universe #24 7,075

TMNT Urban Legends #3 7,962
Rise of TMNT #0 7,198


August sales should be interesting because it was the final issue of Universe and the Bebop/Rocksteady mini which is 5 issues.

[AlZarkovski]

August 2018: (http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2018/2018-08.html)

TMNT #85
10277

TMNT BRHtRoad #1
8473

TMNT BRHtRoad #2
7738

TMNT BRHtRoad #3
7622

TMNT BRHtRoad #4
7620

TMNT Urban Legends #4
7563

TMNT BRHtRoad #5
7533

TMNT Universe #25
7316

[CyberCubed]

The final issue of Universe sold better then the previous issue, that was nice.

The main ongoing is pretty close to slipping under 10k a month, I hope it doesn't but it's possible.

[AquaParade]

The final issue of Universe sold better then the previous issue, that was nice.

The main ongoing is pretty close to slipping under 10k a month, I hope it doesn't but it's possible.

I mean it has felt sort of stagnant since around #50-60, am I wrong? I don't have the most informed opinion, because I've only read a couple issues a year since then, but while the twist with Splinter at the end of #50 seemed like a great swerve, I haven't been able to get myself interested since. I think a lot of it has to do with the scripting, personally, but I don't know if I'm in the minority on that.

Still impressive that they've been able to keep the book going so seamlessly, and with integrity.

[MikeandRaph87]

A good part of my lack of interest in the black and white comics is the lack of Shredder (and Krang) throughout nearly the entire series. However, while IDW defeated both Shredder and Krang IDW utilized a wealth of other media elements to mix with its own flavor to widen interest and not have the dependence of them TMNT seems to need. While I would rather have the two villains in play I am still greatly invested in the continued story.

[Redeemer]

I mean it has felt sort of stagnant since around #50-60, am I wrong? I don't have the most informed opinion, because I've only read a couple issues a year since then, but while the twist with Splinter at the end of #50 seemed like a great swerve, I haven't been able to get myself interested since. I think a lot of it has to do with the scripting, personally, but I don't know if I'm in the minority on that.

Still impressive that they've been able to keep the book going so seamlessly, and with integrity.

I think the art/design is a big problem and the fact that the turtles are so minimized within their own story.The story feels to grandiose and I feel like TMNT is best when it is being told as there story, not a giant universe.....

[Vegeta]

I think the art/design is a big problem and the fact that the turtles are so minimized within their own story.The story feels to grandiose and I feel like TMNT is best when it is being told as there story, not a giant universe.....

The first big arc of the book is pretty intimate and family oriented, IDW doing different things over the years is important but the individual turtles could use some personality injections. The macros will help I think.

[CyberCubed]

September's sales finally in:

http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2018/2018-09.html

TMNT#86 9,946

First time the main ongoing dipped below 10,000 sales, as far as I remember. Of course remember this doesn't include digital.

The Image #5 reprint sold a little over 7,000 copies, hopefully sales stay healthy enough for all 23 issues to be colored/reprinted.

[Nortock Diab]

The Image #5 reprint sold a little over 7,000 copies, hopefully sales stay healthy enough for all 23 issues to be colored/reprinted.

And all additional 3 issues to be released!

[AlZarkovski]

Toxic Rise kills the franchise. People are no longer interested TMNT.

[hypered1]

Toxic Rise kills the franchise. People are no longer interested TMNT.

What do you mean by 'Toxic Rise'?:tconfuse:

[AlZarkovski]

What do you mean by 'Toxic Rise'?:tconfuse:
New Nick show Rise of the TMNT.

[Redeemer]

New Nick show Rise of the TMNT.

I don't think the new show has any significant effect on the sales numbers for the series. As a series ages it usually has a steady decline and this series has been going for about 7 or 8 years strong. But if there was anything that effecting the series I would point out two problems that I personally have with the series lately is 1) The turtles have become background characters within their own series at times. 2) Art/ Turtle design.The turtles almost look child like at time bc of the art.

[AquaParade]

I think Marvel and DC have had their way with me - The prospect of a new TMNT #1 from IDW actually excites me. But only if it comes with a noticeable shift in flavor or creative direction.

[CyberCubed]

I imagine sales decline because as said this happens to all long running series anyway, but also because a comic with 86 issues and 60+ specials/mini's on top of that is daunting to new readers. The barrier for entry is higher than it was a few years ago.

[AquaParade]

I imagine sales decline because as said this happens to all long running series anyway, but also because a comic with 86 issues and 60+ specials/mini's on top of that is daunting to new readers. The barrier for entry is higher than it was a few years ago.

True. Though it's hard not to think that if those Platinum films had kicked ass, we may be looking at slightly larger numbers today.

[AlZarkovski]

I imagine sales decline because as said this happens to all long running series anyway, but also because a comic with 86 issues and 60+ specials/mini's on top of that is daunting to new readers. The barrier for entry is higher than it was a few years ago.

I agree, this is one of the reasons. But September 2017 sales were much higher.

TMNT #74 12,936
TMNT #86 9,946

74 number is also a high barrier to entry, but now things are much worse. The Universe is closed, the new B&R mini-series sold 2 times worse than the first. We see a general decline of interest in the franchise.

[CyberCubed]

Yep, it's what makes me think after issue 100 we'll see a major shake-up in the series. That's still a long way away (we'll be in late 2019 before that happens), so we'll see how sales go.

IDW TMNT has way too many plotlines going to wrap up by issue 100, so even if they start over with a new #1, as long as it's all the same continuity it should be fine.

Keep in mind they kept the Nick animated comic going for years despite very low sales, the last few issues only sold barely above 5,000 copies. I also doubt the Rise of the TMNT cartoon comic will sell very well either, and they'll probably keep it around for awhile anyway. Sometimes I honestly wonder what the lowest sales are to still remain profitable, after the writer/artists/editors get paid, then the printing costs, than the % fee to Nickelodeon because it's a licensed property, etc.

[AlZarkovski]

Keep in mind they kept the Nick animated comic going for years despite very low sales, the last few issues only sold barely above 5,000 copies. I also doubt the Rise of the TMNT cartoon comic will sell very well either, and they'll probably keep it around for awhile anyway.
Sometimes numbers say more than words.;)

New Animated Adventures #1 14,397
Rise of TMNT #0 7,198

Drop 2 times. I think we only get 5-6 issues and one TPB. Nikelodeon really kills the franchise.

[hypered1]

New Nick show Rise of the TMNT.

Oh right, yeah I know what you mean. I've seen a few clips and watched Nostalgia Critic's review of episode 1 and it looks like dumbed down garbage for little kids with no attention span.
I also detest the new designs - changing things up is fine and keeps things fresh when done right, but going as far as they have it's only ever going to alienate longtime fans of the franchise.
Same reason I refuse to watch the Bay films - not that he could ever pull a decent idea out of his ass.:tgrumble:

[hypered1]

I imagine sales decline because as said this happens to all long running series anyway, but also because a comic with 86 issues and 60+ specials/mini's on top of that is daunting to new readers. The barrier for entry is higher than it was a few years ago.

For those keeping track, the ongoing continuity is at a total of 178 issues currently over 7 years + 2 months.

[Redeemer]

True. Though it's hard not to think that if those Platinum films had kicked ass, we may be looking at slightly larger numbers today.

I have wondered that myself, Especially bc the series was so new at the time still. I believe we were only about 24 issues in. If I remember I think we did see a slight spike in sales when the first movie came out.

Yep, it's what makes me think after issue 100 we'll see a major shake-up in the series. That's still a long way away (we'll be in late 2019 before that happens), so we'll see how sales go.

IDW TMNT has way too many plotlines going to wrap up by issue 100, so even if they start over with a new #1, as long as it's all the same continuity it should be fine.

Keep in mind they kept the Nick animated comic going for years despite very low sales, the last few issues only sold barely above 5,000 copies. I also doubt the Rise of the TMNT cartoon comic will sell very well either, and they'll probably keep it around for awhile anyway. Sometimes I honestly wonder what the lowest sales are to still remain profitable, after the writer/artists/editors get paid, then the printing costs, than the % fee to Nickelodeon because it's a licensed property, etc.

This is a very good question. But The numbers you see dropping is not a complete drop bc the sales of physical comics is shrinking industry wide and moving towards digital sale. Also I think is was Bobby that said the entire industry was in a down turn right now bc of how badly Marvel was ******** the bed. So my point being I feel the main ongoing will be safe for a while bc.....

1)TMNT is still one of IDW top selling books. It was 1# for years until recently.
2) Idw make money from not only the book itself but also from TPBs, Hardcorvers, reprints and Ad revenue.
I am sure I could come up with a few more reasons if I wanted to but thats it for now :lol:

[Redeemer]

https://www.cnbc.com/2016/06/05/comic-books-buck-trend-as-print-and-digital-sales-flourish.html

He is what I was talking about in digital sales. So It looks like Digital sales sell about a third of what the prints do so add 3,000 to number of issue sold for a rough estimate. Also Digital comics I imagine would be more profitable than print due to cost.

[Utrommaniac]

Eh, I think some of the plotlines will be wrapped up by #100. Or at least seeing their next big phase.

[neatoman]

And typically you can boost sales by "starting over" with a new #1. You don't even need to actually reboot, just make sure it's a decent starting point and treat the last 100 issues as a backstory.

[CyberCubed]

If a lot of plotlines are resolved by issue 100 it would be good to start off with a clean slate of some kind, because some plots linger too long.

I think generally they should stop foreshadowing characters or events that don't happen till years down the line. Remember how early Ch'rell and Leatherhead were first introduced in IDW with brief cameos, only to take years for them to get proper debuts? Even now Ch'rell still hasn't actually done anything, he's just finally let loose. Or how Bishop's attack on Burnow Island was foreshadowed in the early 50's issues and we had to wait to issue 86 for it to happen?

Or how Null who was introduced literally years ago, and her plotline has moved at a snails pace? Or how Karai hasn't been in the main ongoing since issue 50, and it looks like we have to wait till issue 90+ to see Karai (and Koya/Bludgeon) make a return?

I don't mind stuff being foreshadowed for the future of course, but when you realize it takes years and years in real life to actually get to those plot points, I can see how people can lose interest. That's why I hope if a lot of the big plot points are resolved by issue 100, they don't spend the next 50 issues setting things up that won't happen till years down the line. Especially since post issue 100 we have no idea how long IDW TMNT will continue to last in general.

[AlZarkovski]

October 2018 (http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2018/2018-10.html):

TMNT #87
9,968

TMNT Macroseries #1
7,906

TMNT Macroseries #2
7,587

TMNT Urban Legends #6
6,526

Rise of the TMNT #1
5,923

[CyberCubed]

Seems the main ongoing will be under 10,000 sales as the norm now. I'm guess after we hit #100 they may try to do a full relaunch to reboot sales again with a new #1, even it's still in continuity.

[AquaParade]

Seems the main ongoing will be under 10,000 sales as the norm now. I'm guess after we hit #100 they may try to do a full relaunch to reboot sales again with a new #1, even it's still in continuity.

This excites me.

As a long-time comicbook reader, of course I have love for the ongoing issue count, but I also want to see TMNT get the attention of some new readers, and maybe some fresh creative angle to keep things interesting.

[ChosenOne]

This excites me.

As a long-time comicbook reader, of course I have love for the ongoing issue count, but I also want to see TMNT get the attention of some new readers, and maybe some fresh creative angle to keep things interesting.

For the record, I don't agree with a relaunch, but... What if Splinter dies in #100 and the new #1 (actually #101 but who's counting?) is framed by Leo's narration to bring the reader up to speed on current events, maybe even after a short time skip, mirroring what Splinter did in volume 1's #1?

[CyberCubed]

That's what I'm expecting. Keep continuity (of course, they won't be able to wrap up all the plots by issue 100 anyway), but make a new #1 and treat it like a fresh start with a new status quo. If Splinter dies in issue 100 it would be a good thing to leave off with.

Because otherwise I don't know what else they can do. The animated comics based on Nick 2012 and Rise don't sell very well to begin with, and the micros/mini's always sell less than the main ongoing too. So reboot the main ongoing with a new #1, but keep it in continuity and see where it goes from there.

[AquaParade]

Keep in mind there’s no rule against them keeping the “legacy numbering” in small print.
I think that could soften the blow of a new #1 in longtime reader’s eyes.

[CyberCubed]

November sales.

http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2018/2018-11.html

TMNT Ongoing #88 11,341
TMNT Macroseries #3 7,317

TMNT Urban Legends #7 6,600
Rise of the TMNT #2 4,416


The main ongoing jumped 2,000 copies better than last month, likely due to the promos hyping up Slash's death and the conclusion of the arc.

The Rise of the TMNT comic is selling very poorly, only on its second issue (or third if you count issue #0), with only barely above 4,000 sales. I can see why it's already going on hiatus. The previous Nick animated cartoon comic at least had very good sales for it's first few years.

[Igglet]

November sales.

http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2018/2018-11.html

TMNT Ongoing #88 11,341
TMNT Macroseries #3 7,317

TMNT Urban Legends #7 6,600
Rise of the TMNT #2 4,416


The main ongoing jumped 2,000 copies better than last month, likely due to the promos hyping up Slash's death and the conclusion of the arc.

The Rise of the TMNT comic is selling very poorly, only on its second issue (or third if you count issue #0), with only barely above 4,000 sales. I can see why it's already going on hiatus. The previous Nick animated cartoon comic at least had very good sales for it's first few years.

Hopefully the sales for the ongoing series will just be going up as we're approaching the City at War arc.

[ChosenOne]

Keep in mind there’s no rule against them keeping the “legacy numbering” in small print.
I think that could soften the blow of a new #1 in longtime reader’s eyes.

Just a shower thought: is there any reason not to, or precedent in comics for, having both numbers meld into each other over time? Say, #101 could be number "101", with the "10" faded out in comparison to the "1", and then over time we'd get "110", "125", "150", etc. And then eventually after "199" we'd have #200, like how many of Marvel's titles were added up to reach #500 and #600 a couple of years back.

That would please both sides, I think, and would look visually cool, which is always a plus.

[AquaParade]

Just a shower thought: is there any reason not to, or precedent in comics for, having both numbers meld into each other over time? Say, #101 could be number "101", with the "10" faded out in comparison to the "1", and then over time we'd get "110", "125", "150", etc. And then eventually after "199" we'd have #200, like how many of Marvel's titles were added up to reach #500 and #600 a couple of years back.

That would please both sides, I think, and would look visually cool, which is always a plus.

Hey, cool idea. I think it may be more confusing than just having a big number and a smaller number, but it could be a cool visual.

[ChosenOne]

Hey, cool idea. I think it may be more confusing than just having a big number and a smaller number, but it could be a cool visual.

Thanks! I'm on the side that's against the renumbering, but I also understand its importance from a marketing point of view, even though it would sort of go against this series' uniquely strong sense of continuity to just start over from #1.

IDW would have to play around a bit with the visibility of the first digit or digits to make it more viable, but it could certainly work.

[Bobby Curnow]

We haven't decided what will be done after #100, but this is the approach I've been advocating. Marvel does something similar with their legacy numbering now, but the symmetry of doing it with a 101 would work really well I think.

[AquaParade]

We haven't decided what will be done after #100, but this is the approach I've been advocating. Marvel does something similar with their legacy numbering now, but the symmetry of doing it with a 101 would work really well I think.

Thanks for sharing, Bobby. I understand if you don't want to reveal too much, but would a new #1 require anything else, in your mind? Would it need to signify a new direction or have something fresh on the creative side, or is it really just down to the business of getting new readers in?

[CyberCubed]

Even issue #51 felt a bit like a clean slate (Splinter took over the Foot, Karai/Koya/Bludgeon and Bebop/Rocksteady were written out of the main ongoing for a long time and only appeared in mini's, Baxter started to become an ally, etc.)

Depending on what happens in issue #100 you might see more big characters dying too, so I guess we'll see.

[Igglet]

We haven't decided what will be done after #100, but this is the approach I've been advocating. Marvel does something similar with their legacy numbering now, but the symmetry of doing it with a 101 would work really well I think.

Personally, I'd suggest going with #1. I'd say new readers would definitely feel overwhelmed when they see 100+ issues, Hell, I was overwhelmed when I started reading and there were only ~70 issues. A new #1 would feel like a good jumping point. Those're just my 2 cents, though.

[AquaParade]

Personally, I'd suggest going with #1. I'd say new readers would definitely feel overwhelmed when they see 100+ issues, Hell, I was overwhelmed when I started reading and there were only ~70 issues. A new #1 would feel like a good jumping point. Those're just my 2 cents, though.

It's also difficult to argue with this. I'm finding myself in the thought process of "If you're going to do a new #1....do a new #1. Make it clear, big, and bold." a big "#1" can go a long way, whereas "101", while a cool trick, may not have the desired effect.

Otherwise, maybe it's a half measure, that doesn't truly please anyone? Idk, I'm just spitballin here.

[Igglet]

It's also difficult to argue with this. I'm finding myself in the thought process of "If you're going to do a new #1....do a new #1. Make it clear, big, and bold." a big "#1" can go a long way, whereas "101", while a cool trick, may not have the desired effect.

Otherwise, maybe it's a half measure, that doesn't truly please anyone? Idk, I'm just spitballin here.

Yeah, the 101 thing is clever for sure but I don't think it actually pleases anyone. I don't really get the point. The fact that the 1 is bold doesn't make the 2 digits before it any less visible.

[ChosenOne]

Yeah, the 101 thing is clever for sure but I don't think it actually pleases anyone. I don't really get the point. The fact that the 1 is bold doesn't make the 2 digits before it any less visible.

I wouldn't say it doesn't please anyone. The bold is just a suggestion, they could literally make it one big digit after two smaller ones for #101, like so:

101 (125, 150, etc.)

It's a way to both restart and keep the numbering going. That's how #51 handled it, and that's how the rest of the run should handle it.

IMHO, of course.

[Igglet]

I wouldn't say it doesn't please anyone. The bold is just a suggestion, they could literally make it one big digit after two smaller ones for #101, like so:

101 (125, 150, etc.)

It's a way to both restart and keep the numbering going. That's how #51 handled it, and that's how the rest of the run should handle it.

IMHO, of course.

Oh, I get what you mean, and honestly I might be wrong but I do think that doing a "reset" would work better. Seeing those two digits might still give the same effect, as I mentioned before. And, while it might be written that way on the cover, people are either going to be calling it #101 or #1 anyway.

[ChosenOne]

Oh, I get what you mean, and honestly I might be wrong but I do think that doing a "reset" would work better. Seeing those two digits might still give the same effect, as I mentioned before. And, while it might be written that way on the cover, people are either going to be calling it #101 or #1 anyway.

Well, yes, that's the general idea. :trazz: We can have our cake and eat it too, and these are just two examples of how that could be implemented. I'm sure a company full of comics professionals can come up with a much better execution of the concept than I ever could. This series prides itself on continuity, and starting the numbering over completely without some clear visual acknowledgement of the previous 100 issues would go against that.

At least that's how I feel, but fortunately much better minds than mine are already working the issue one way or another.

[Igglet]

Well, yes, that's the general idea. :trazz: We can have our cake and eat it too, and these are just two examples of how that could be implemented. I'm sure a company full of comics professionals can come up with a much better execution of the concept than I ever could. This series prides itself on continuity, and starting the numbering over completely without some clear visual acknowledgement of the previous 100 issues would go against that.

At least that's how I feel, but fortunately much better minds than mine are already working the issue one way or another.

Don't underestimate yourself! :tlol:

And honestly, it does pride itself on its continuity and that's very important but you also have to keep in mind that there will be over 100 issues of the main ongoing series soon. When a newcomer sees #1, they'll be much more inclined to read the comic than if the saw a #101, at least that's how I see it. It doesn't impact the continuity whatsoever, it just makes it more approachable for new readers I think.

[ChosenOne]

And honestly, it does pride itself on its continuity and that's very important but you also have to keep in mind that there will be over 100 issues of the main ongoing series soon. When a newcomer sees #1, they'll be much more inclined to read the comic than if the saw a #101, at least that's how I see it. It doesn't impact the continuity whatsoever, it just makes it more approachable for new readers I think.

That doesn't seem to stop a sh*tload of other comics, though. If anything, it's a badge of honor. No other TMNT comic even made it to #75. These guys are well on their way to #100 and already thinking of what's going to happen after that. There's a lot more pride and joy to be felt, even for us fans, when your run makes it to #150 or #200 as opposed to reaching a milestone that it's already hit in the past, if only you hadn't deliberately restarted the count. Plus, what sort of message about your confidence in your comic's quality does it send if you resort to such a contrarian marketing scheme? Like it can't stand on its own two feet without falling back on that sort of device? Will that really pull more readers in past the new #1, or end up driving other potential readers away? Renumbering is a double-edged sword, far from the perfect, foolproof solution I've seen it presented as.

[MikeandRaph87]

It frustrates me seeing such low numbers on the shelves. I would be more inclined to pick up a higher number showing its success than a high volume with a low number. I am just a small percentage though. In my mind I have to go 713 + 53 +xx(60 now) which is 827 to total the real number of the Batman title for example. Legacy of a title shows it strength, but like I said its just me.

[Igglet]

That doesn't seem to stop a sh*tload of other comics, though. If anything, it's a badge of honor. No other TMNT comic even made it to #75. These guys are well on their way to #100 and already thinking of what's going to happen after that. There's a lot more pride and joy to be felt, even for us fans, when your run makes it to #150 or #200 as opposed to reaching a milestone that it's already hit in the past, if only you hadn't deliberately restarted the count. Plus, what sort of message about your confidence in your comic's quality does it send if you resort to such a contrarian marketing scheme? Like it can't stand on its own two feet without falling back on that sort of device? Will that really pull more readers in past the new #1, or end up driving other potential readers away? Renumbering is a double-edged sword, far from the perfect, foolproof solution I've seen it presented as.

I can get behind the badge of honor argument, but I do have to disagree with the rest.

But it's not about the quality. As I said before, I only got into the IDW run when it got to around #70. I loved what I saw of it, TMNT has always been my favorite franchise but I was very close to not getting into it because, holy crap, 70 ISSUES. It might've just been me, sure, but I'd lie if I didn't say that I never thought I'd actually get around to catching up with the run (though I vastly underestimated my thirst for TMNT comics).

[ChosenOne]

It frustrates me seeing such low numbers on the shelves. I would be more inclined to pick up a higher number showing its success than a high volume with a low number. I am just a small percentage though. In my mind I have to go 713 + 53 +xx(60 now) which is 827 to total the real number of the Batman title for example. Legacy of a title shows it strength, but like I said its just me.

This. Exactly this. Thank you for that.

I can get behind the badge of honor argument, but I do have to disagree with the rest.

But it's not about the quality. As I said before, I only got into the IDW run when it got to around #70. I loved what I saw of it, TMNT has always been my favorite franchise but I was very close to not getting into it because, holy crap, 70 ISSUES. It might've just been me, sure, but I'd lie if I didn't say that I never thought I'd actually get around to catching up with the run (though I vastly underestimated my thirst for TMNT comics).

All of the mainstay Marvel comics (and DC's as well, I'm sure, though I don't follow theirs nearly as much) are well on their way to reaching #1000. That's not a typo: #1000, not #100. And still going strong, with new readers jumping on every week. The Walking Dead is on its way to #200, adding new readers all the time. More recently Invincible ended just shy of 150 issues and everyone said it could've gone on for at least twice that. Good, strong comics like we all know this one is aren't afraid to show the road they've trod to get where they are. Renumbering, at least in my opinion, is the same as faltering and admitting a fundamental flaw with your product. IDW TMNT is one of, if not the, best comic out there these days. It doesn't need those cheap thrills to attract an audience.

You also underestimate yourself - and by extension, the casual/semi-casual comic reader crowd - if you think you couldn't get just as hooked by a series in its 150th issue as you could by a series in its 5th.

[Igglet]

This. Exactly this. Thank you for that.



All of the mainstay Marvel comics (and DC's as well, I'm sure, though I don't follow theirs nearly as much) are well on their way to reaching #1000. That's not a typo: #1000, not #100. And still going strong, with new readers jumping on every week. The Walking Dead is on its way to #200, adding new readers all the time. More recently Invincible ended just shy of 150 issues and everyone said it could've gone on for at least twice that. Good, strong comics like we all know this one is aren't afraid to show the road they've trod to get where they are. Renumbering, at least in my opinion, is the same as faltering and admitting a fundamental flaw with your product. IDW TMNT is one of, if not the, best comic out there these days. It doesn't need those cheap thrills to attract an audience.

You also underestimate yourself - and by extension, the casual/semi-casual comic reader crowd - if you think you couldn't get just as hooked by a series in its 150th issue as you could by a series in its 5th.

I still disagree but I won't get into my reasoning anymore as I feel like we're sort of going in circles here. I wrote my response but I feel like I'm starting to repeat myself here. I do see where you're coming from, I won't mind if they do go with #101, but I still feel like renumbering would be the smarter choice.

[ChosenOne]

I still disagree but I won't get into my reasoning anymore as I feel like we're sort of going in circles here. I wrote my response but I feel like I'm starting to repeat myself here. I do see where you're coming from, I won't mind if they do go with #101, but I still feel like renumbering would be the smarter choice.

At some point we do indeed start going in circles, I feel the same way about my own reasoning.

Even though I'm a perfectionist and completist, and would vastly prefer to transition to #101 over #1 all over again, all I know is I'll stick with this comic until it's over, no matter the solution IDW ultimately decides to go with.

[Igglet]

At some point we do indeed start going in circles, I feel the same way about my own reasoning.

Even though I'm a perfectionist and completist, and would vastly prefer to transition to #101 over #1 all over again, all I know is I'll stick with this comic until it's over, no matter the solution IDW ultimately decides to go with.

Agreed, no matter what happens, I'll still support the Hell out of this comic.

[Bobby Curnow]

Thanks for sharing, Bobby. I understand if you don't want to reveal too much, but would a new #1 require anything else, in your mind? Would it need to signify a new direction or have something fresh on the creative side, or is it really just down to the business of getting new readers in?

Can't say a thing about story/creative direction, sorry!

[hypered1]

How about the way it's presented on the IDW Uncle Scrooge comics, with the legacy number in brackets below the main issue number?

https://www.idwpublishing.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Scrooge16_cvr-MOCKONLY.jpg


Additionally IDW's Star Trek Ongoing was rebooted after 60 issues as Star Trek Boldly Go which ended after 18 issues, so IDW does have some history with rebooting comics.

That aside, if TMNT does reset to Issue 1 it might be an idea to have that release in January 2020 to A: give the series a break to let #100 breath a little and B: 'new' series starting in the new year might be better from a marketing perspective.

Just my 2 cents.

[CyberCubed]

I didn't know they did that with the Uncle Scrooge comics, that's pretty interesting. I can definitely see something like that, a new #1 but issue #101 at the same time.

Also keep in mind we don't know how much longer the IDW run will go on post issue 100 in general. While I like to think we'll hit 150 issues and beyond, we also have no idea how long sales will sustain the series in general. Or something unexpected like Viacom/Nick deciding not to renew their license with IDW after a certain time and going with a different publisher like Dark Horse...which is unlikely, but a possible scenario.

I do think IDW TMNT will make it to 150 issues, but keep in mind we'll be in the year what....2025 or something by then? lol

[ChosenOne]

I didn't know they did that with the Uncle Scrooge comics, that's pretty interesting. I can definitely see something like that, a new #1 but issue #101 at the same time.

Also keep in mind we don't know how much longer the IDW run will go on post issue 100 in general. While I like to think we'll hit 150 issues and beyond, we also have no idea how long sales will sustain the series in general. Or something unexpected like Viacom/Nick deciding not to renew their license with IDW after a certain time and going with a different publisher like Dark Horse...which is unlikely, but a possible scenario.

I do think IDW TMNT will make it to 150 issues, but keep in mind we'll be in the year what....2025 or something by then? lol

I can guarantee a straight-up renumbering will contribute to the run ending much sooner over low sales than keeping the current count ever could.

You say that like 2025 won't be here before we even know it. Sad fact of life: time moves much faster the more you age.

[CyberCubed]

Yes I know that all too well. IDW TMNT will be celebrating it's 10th anniversary in 2021...I hope we get something special planned.

Can't believe IDW TMNT is almost 10 years old. I still remember when the series was announced back in 2011 like it was only yesterday.

[ChosenOne]

Can't believe IDW TMNT is almost 10 years old. I still remember when the series was announced back in 2011 like it was only yesterday.

Same here. I got into this comic entirely by chance, one day when I was feeling nostalgic because a relative who used to buy the early Archie TMNT issues for me when I was a kid has just passed away, and I decided to pick up the Raphael micro. That Shredder foreshadowing at the end was sweet enough to hook me, so I picked up the other issues and the rest is history. Feels like a long time when you're waiting, but then you look back and realize time just flew by.

[hypered1]

I didn't know they did that with the Uncle Scrooge comics, that's pretty interesting. I can definitely see something like that, a new #1 but issue #101 at the same time.

Also keep in mind we don't know how much longer the IDW run will go on post issue 100 in general. While I like to think we'll hit 150 issues and beyond, we also have no idea how long sales will sustain the series in general. Or something unexpected like Viacom/Nick deciding not to renew their license with IDW after a certain time and going with a different publisher like Dark Horse...which is unlikely, but a possible scenario.

I do think IDW TMNT will make it to 150 issues, but keep in mind we'll be in the year what....2025 or something by then? lol

Yeah Uncle Scrooge is the only comic I have seen display their numbers like this, however it's also interesting to note that the legacy number is a continuation of the numbering from way back in 1952 (courtesy of Wikipedia):

Dell Comics: 1952–1962 (issues 1–39 )
Gold Key Comics: 1962–1984 (issues 40–209 )
Gladstone Publishing: 1986–1990 (issues 210–242 )
Disney Comics: 1990–1993 (issues 243–280 )
Gladstone Publishing: 1993–1998 (issues 281–318 )
Gemstone Publishing: 2003–2008 (issues 319–383 )
Boom Kids! (Boom! Studios): 2009–2011 (issues 384–404 )
IDW Publishing: 2015– (issue 405 onwards)

Now that's commitment!

[Leebo]

I’m curious if anybody has the current sales numbers leading up to issue 100.

[rich]

I’m curious if anybody has the current sales numbers leading up to issue 100.

For the TMNT Ongoing, sales were:

- #93 = 11,840 (APRIL 2019) (https://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2019/2019-04.html)
- #94 = 10,308 (MAY 2019) (https://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2019/2019-05.html)
- #95 = No sales numbers; it was likely around the previous 2 months with a bump up from re-orders (JUNE 2019)
- #96 = 22,752 (JULY 2019) (https://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2019/2019-07.html) - you think Jennika had anything to do with doubling IDW's sales numbers for TMNT? Lol :lol:
- #97 = No sales numbers yet but #95 2nd printing and #97 Covers A & B were high in the re-orders list (AUGUST 2019) (https://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2019/2019-08.html)

[Red Robin]

38,977 books of #97 have been sold in august.
https://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2019/2019-08.html

That's a huge rise of sales numbers. TMNT is on the rise again. Incredible.
Is it possible that these are even the highest sales numbers a IDW TMNT book achieved ever? IIRC #1 by IDW had about 34000 units sold.

[AquaParade]

38,977 books of #97 have been sold in august.
https://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2019/2019-08.html

That's a huge rise of sales numbers. TMNT is on the rise again. Incredible.
Is it possible that these are even the highest sales numbers a IDW TMNT book achieved ever? IIRC #1 by IDW had about 34000 units sold.

Wow, we need details on this. I imagine it comes down to IDW pushing a lot of these books and giving discounts, but I don’t actually know. Could interest in readers have spiked that much?

[CyberCubed]

That was the issue Jennika was mutated to a female turtle and they did a second run reprint of it.

[AquaParade]

I knew that spiked interest and caught some headlines but I'm pleasantly surprised to see how well it did. With the ramp up to #100 also going strong, it's an important time for them to put their best work out there and catch any potential new readers. Hopefully issue #100 is pretty good.

[Red Robin]

TMNT #98 sold incredible 34,373 units.
The rise of sales numbers is incredible and #100 hasn't even been out yet. Wow!

[frank_one]

What are these numbers? Worldwide physical copies sold?

[MikeandRaph87]

How many of these 23k will actually like what they are reading and stick with it? Direction change completion will commence with #101. Mutant Town and Mona Lisa need to impress.:tread:

[Redeemer]

What are these numbers? Worldwide physical copies sold?

I know its physical copies, but I am not sure if its world wide or just the US. But these numbers do not include digital sales.

[CyberCubed]

How many of these 23k will actually like what they are reading and stick with it? Direction change completion will commence with #101. Mutant Town and Mona Lisa need to impress.:tread:

Most don’t stick with it which is why sales always decline after a spike. I imagine most bought the first printing of Jennika’s mutation in hope it gets really rare someday like how Harley Quinn’s first appearance in the Batman animated comics can now sell for around $700 if it’s graded.

[Andrew NDB]

I remember the days when my friends and I would horde our copies of Spawn #1 and like, Batman #497, thinking for sure we were sitting on gold mines.

[CyberCubed]

Feb sales:

TMNT Jennika 1 IDW 21,317
TMNT 103 IDW 15,253


Jennika #1 actually sold more than the main ongoing last month.

[Cloudrunner]

Feb sales:

TMNT Jennika 1 IDW 21,317
TMNT 103 IDW 15,253


Jennika #1 actually sold more than the main ongoing last month.

That makes sense for the first issue centered around a new character that was hyped up. Just like the issue where she first mutated, it could be worth something later down the line if the character persists in other iterations of the franchise.

[MikeandRaph87]

Feb sales:

TMNT Jennika 1 IDW 21,317
TMNT 103 IDW 15,253


Jennika #1 actually sold more than the main ongoing last month.

#100-#102 sold 25-30k. Looks like people sampling did not like the direction.

[neatoman]

I remember the days when my friends and I would horde our copies of Spawn #1 and like, Batman #497, thinking for sure we were sitting on gold mines.

The funny thing is that Spawn #1, while certainly selling for a higher price now than in the 90's, is actually only worth 1/7 or so of Spawn #300 from last year.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Spawn-1-in-Near-Mint-condition-Image-comics-1w/233537128112?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Spawn-300-McFarlane-NYCC-Gold-foil-Variant-2nd-Printing-CGC-9-6-2019-2077603003/362934619226?hash=item548096cc5a:g:cXsAAOSw92ReYFT 3

Turns out it was better to be a Spawn collector when the character's been around for 25+ years.

[Jazzfox]

#100-#102 sold 25-30k. Looks like people sampling did not like the direction.

Sad fact that a lot of titles see dilution of numbers after big events, the drop is scary sometimes, but aren't these numbers still higher than pre-100 finale? Just glancing back to April/May numbers?

[MikeandRaph87]

Where are sales at these days?

[CyberCubed]

Where are sales at these days?

Ever since covid happened it's impossible to know. Comic Chron also stopped giving proper sales pages after DC dropped Diamond as their distributor, so I don't think anyone knows what's going on.

[DragonSoul]

I am surprised that IDW TMNT rarely breaks into top 100 comics on the market with their sales. IDW TMNT definitely earns its cult classic status in terms of its lower sales compared to the mainstream comics. It is popular with a particular group of people for sure but it seems slow in gaining new fans. However, I think it is good to know that TMNT is a franchise that can keep afloat even with its less than stellar performance in some mediums. Yay TMNT fans! :3

[CyberCubed]

It's very hard to be near the top when DC and Marvel dominate every sales month always. It's the same reason other Image or IDW or Dark Horse comics, outside the really popular ones, struggle to sell even half as much.

[MikeandRaph87]

Do we have any sources for data of where the sales numbers are with the recent issues?

[CyberCubed]

https://bleedingfool.com/blogs/idw-media-still-hemorrhaging-money-lost-1-28-million-last-quarter/

This was posted last month but they still lost a staggering amount of money last quarter of $1.28 million. At this point they're unsure if the company will ever turn a profit again.

I'm curious to see this updated again by the end of the year.