IDW TMNT Sales Charts

[Andrew NDB]

I don't think this adjusts for any reprints, but here you have it:

Rank 48 for 8/11: TMNT #1 -- 34,803 copies
Rank 113 for 9/11: TMNT #2 -- 19,333 copies
Rank 109 for 10/11: TMNT #3 -- 22,855 copies
Rank 97 for 11/11: TMNT #4 -- 22,898 copies
Rank 102 for 12/11: TMNT #5 -- 19,689 copies
Rank 109 for 12/11: Raphael #1 -- 18,686 copies
Rank 130 for 12/11: Michelangelo #1 -- 15,930 copies
Rank 100 for 1/12: TMNT #6 -- 18,773 copies
Rank 107 for 2/12: TMNT #7 -- 18,769 copies
Rank 129 for 2/12: Donatello #1 -- 15,617 copies
Rank 98 for 3/12: TMNT #8: 18,775 copies
Rank 137 for 3/12: Infestation 2 TMNT #1: 12,854 copies
Rank 151 for 3/12: Infestation 2 TMNT #2: 11,924 copies
Rank 116 for 4/12: Leonardo #1 -- 16,253 copies
Rank 102 for 4/12: TMNT #9 -- 19,116 copies
Rank 129 for 5/12: TMNT #10 -- 19,254 copies
Rank 119 for 6/12: TMNT #11 -- 19,416 copies
Rank 139 for 6/12: Splinter #1 -- 15,769 copies
Rank 114 for 7/12: TMNT #12 -- 18,789 copies
Rank 144 for 7/12: Casey Jones #1 -- 14,945 copies
Rank 136 for 8/12: TMNT #13 -- 18,342 copies
Rank 164 for 8/12: April O'Neil #1 -- 14,325 copies
Rank 129 for 9/12: TMNT #14 -- 17,682 copies
Rank 161 for 9/12: Fugitoid #1 -- 13,356 copies
Rank 140 for 10/12: TMNT #15 -- 17,591 copies
Rank 150 for 10/12: TMNT Annual 2012 -- 16,274 copies
Rank 132 for 11/12: TMNT #16 -- 17,140 copies
Rank 119 for 12/12: TMNT #17 -- 16,703 copies
Rank 108 for 1/13: Secrets of the Foot Clan #1 -- 18,315 copies
Rank 147 for 1/13: Secrets of the Foot Clan #2 -- 13,180 copies
Rank 129 for 2/13: TMNT #18 -- 16,172 copies
Rank 131 for 2/13: TMNT #19 -- 16,125 copies
Rank 157 for 2/13: Secrets of the Foot Clan #3 -- 12,868 copies
Rank 156 for 3/13: Secrets of the Foot Clan #4 -- 13,090 copies
Rank 133 for 3/13: TMNT #20 -- 16,084 copies
Rank 144 for 4/13: Krang #1 -- 13,689 copies
Rank 105 for 4/13: TMNT #21 -- 20,659 copies
Rank 188 for 5/13: Baxter #1 -- 11,360 copies
Rank 78 for 5/13: TMNT #22 -- 27,759 copies
Rank 180 for 6/13: Alopex -- 10,933 copies
Rank 122 for 6/13: TMNT #23 -- 17,772 copies
Rank 146 for 7/13: TMNT #24 -- 16,484 copies
Rank 200 for 7/13: Villain #4 -- 11,031 copies
Rank 117 for 8/13: TMNT #25 -- 17,833 copies
Rank 173 for 8/13: Villain #5 -- 10,343 copies
Rank 179 for 9/13: TMNT #26 -- 17,322 copies
Rank 235 for 9/13: Villain #6 -- 9,977 copies
Rank 154 for 10/13: TMNT #27 -- 17,042 copies
Rank 202 for 10/13: Villain #7 -- 11,584 copies
Rank 124 for 11/13: TMNT #28 -- 17,045 copies
Rank 137 for 12/13: TMNT #29 -- 15,532 copies
Rank 159 for 12/13: Villain #8 -- 12,829 copies



Still way too early to say what things will ultimately level out at but even with what we see here it looks fairly promising. About a 50% drop from #1 to #2 isn't to be unexpected, but what's positive to see is that things actually picked up after this drop in #3 by over 3000 copies.

http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales.html

[marcelangelo]

I couldn't be happier here...we finally(at least in 2009 I certainly didn't expect there to be a NEW turtles comics book for real...more like somewhere in the distant foggy future with luck there'll be reprints)...I tell you it feels so good to await a new issue each month again, like in the old days..I only got into getting monthly comic books because of mirage tmnt comics...
and now the book is also SO GOOD and EXCITING...with sales numbers staying anywhere near these marks there must be LOTS of years of the new book ahead!thank you idw amigos!!

[Matches Malone]

Climbing up the ranks a few notches from last month's ranking as well as being the highest selling non-DC/Marvel issue is very encouraging, it seems. Let's hope the quality and quantity of the book stays strong!

[CyberCubed]

Wasn't the series also IDW's top selling property?

If Turtles outsells all their other comics isn't that a good sign?

[ToTheNines]

Yikes. G.I. Joe and Star Trek are both outselling Ghostbusters... that's downright criminal.

[Donnie]

The ranking is awesome and very promising. My shop said they were selling like crazy.

[oldmanwinters]

Yikes. G.I. Joe and Star Trek are both outselling Ghostbusters... that's downright criminal.

Ghostbusters is a fantastic book. Peeps need to be buying it up like hotcakes!

[Venom]

Wasn't the series also IDW's top selling property?

If Turtles outsells all their other comics isn't that a good sign?

It is considering they publish a ton of TF series too.

[oldmanwinters]

It is considering they publish a ton of TF series too.

I'm hoping they keep the TMNT titles to one a month with the occasional special and crossover. My wallet doesn't want to part with more money for multiple books for the same title!

[Redeemer]

Wow awesome news, u know what sucks is that my comic shop isnt ordering enough issues to get all the variants:(.......

[pannoni1]

When you consider that the TMNT prequel comics back in 2007 around the time of the CGI movie's release are ranked #218 and #219, this is an encouraging sign. The site has data that goes back to 1992, and I'm surprised that for 1992 and 1993 during the City at War days, that the Turtles didn't register at all!

[Samhain]

Wow awesome news, u know what sucks is that my comic shop isnt ordering enough issues to get all the variants:(.......

Time to find a new shop. ;)

But it is fantastic to see the turtles doing so well. This is the first time I have been able to buy a monthly turtle book, and it's a great feeling.

[sdp]

I think no matter how far it drops in sales it'll still sell well enough for IDW to continue the series, Transformers sells well enough to have how many spin-offs. And if it sells well they do listen to fans since they do cater to them so seeing Spin-offs of TMNT books based on the Archie/OT/Mirage universe I think is definitely a possibility, as long as it sells and there are fans they'll do it, Transformers is able to do it, who knows if TMNT could.

[BAXTER STOCKMAN 19]

I don't think this adjusts for any reprints, but here you have it:

Rank 48 for 8/11: TMNT #1 -- 34,803 copies
Rank 113 for 9/11: TMNT #2 -- 19,333 copies
Rank 109 for 10/11: TMNT #3 -- 22,855 copies
Rank 97 for 11/11: TMNT #4 -- TBD

Still way too early to say what things will ultimately level out at but even with what we see here it looks fairly promising. About a 50% drop from #1 to #2 isn't to be unexpected, but what's positive to see is that things actually picked up after this drop in #3 by over 3000 copies.

http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales.html



very good sales for the new tmnt comics books but sales would have been lot higher if it was released worldwide and not onl in few country. Does IDW realise that they lost thousands of sales by not releasing it in all countries?

[Hermano Dyvas]

very good sales for the new tmnt comics books but sales would have been lot higher if it was released worldwide and not onl in few country. Does IDW realise that they lost thousands of sales by not releasing it in all countries?

I wouldn't be too sure about that, I think the most faithfull TMNT fans are still mostly from US. I could be completely wrong of course. TMNT was a worldwide phenomenon back in the day after all.

[Matches Malone]

very good sales for the new tmnt comics books but sales would have been lot higher if it was released worldwide and not onl in few country. Does IDW realise that they lost thousands of sales by not releasing it in all countries?

Not to come off harsh, but if you paid attention, you would've realized that it was not a decision by IDW but a licensing issue. They actually announced global distribution rights very recently, so you are just complaining about IDW for nothing. You should probably make sure you know what's going on before making presumptions.

[Andrew NDB]

I would assume whatever limitations on publications in other countries were a contractual thing with Nick/Viacom... the license to put out what IDW is putting out of TMNT right now in the US is one thing, but as soon as you start talking about worldwide distribution and all that it becomes a different ballpark in legalese.

[marcelangelo]

they are actually shipping and selling them over here...in europe that is..at least I am able to get all the books/covers since I wish...I was able since iss 1 but then there was trouble cóncerning licenses rights but now they are gone and there should be no problem for people to get them...

[BAXTER STOCKMAN 19]

Not to come off harsh, but if you paid attention, you would've realized that it was not a decision by IDW but a licensing issue. They actually announced global distribution rights very recently, so you are just complaining about IDW for nothing. You should probably make sure you know what's going on before making presumptions.

they announced globas distribution rights? when that happend? does this mean that soon they will publish them in all countries? if yes when will they start?

[King Suck]

Oh boy.... This thread needs more Powder.

[Powder]

Oh boy.... This thread needs more Powder.

Now I know why my ears were just ringing...

[Andrew NDB]

Final numbers in for #4:

Rank 97 for 11/11: TMNT #4 -- 22,898 copies

Month over month from #3, which had 22,855 copies, we may be looking at the leveling off point.

[CyberCubed]

As long as sales remain over 20,000 I don't see the problem. I am wondering how low they'll be willing to let the numbers dip. Isn't 10,000-15,000 what's considered the "in danger" range?

[Andrew NDB]

As long as sales remain over 20,000 I don't see the problem. I am wondering how low they'll be willing to let the numbers dip. Isn't 10,000-15,000 what's considered the "in danger" range?

Hard to say what is "in the clear" range for IDW. If it was DC, it'd be in imminent cancellation danger already.

[Redeemer]

Hard to say what is "in the clear" range for IDW. If it was DC, it'd be in imminent cancellation danger already.

This is depressing........With the current numbers can the comic keep going??????

[Powder]

This is depressing........With the current numbers can the comic keep going??????

...DC sales have absolutely NOTHING to do with IDW's. Calm down.

[Andrew NDB]

...DC sales have absolutely NOTHING to do with IDW's. Calm down.

Yes, absolutely. I just say that as a reference point for "one company's sales figures are dramatically different than another's."

Which is why the people that used to make threads about "Wouldn't it be great if Marvel or DC did a TMNT comic?" really shouldn't ever want their wish granted.

20,000 copies more than the Mirage material was selling is a pretty big deal. Also, if it's of any reassurance, Highlander comics at Dynamite were selling in the 9,000 range and that was still considered acceptable sales to continue making new ones. It was when things dropped to about 4000 that the plug was pulled.

[CyberCubed]

Better hope all these casual buyers who picked up these early issues merely out of curiosity stick with the series.

I think the IDW series could very well become the next Archie series in terms of length and success if they play their cards right.

[Matches Malone]

Bobby has stated that once it begins to drop below 10,000 is when they will start worrying, so I think we are looking pretty safe right now. All signs point to longevity when TMNT issues are IDW's top comic in sales, one of the top non DC/Marvel comics, and selling out their initial runs (which means it sold more than IDW expected it needed to print).

[CyberCubed]

True, but again these early issues are only selling merely out of curiosity.

It'll be interesting to see how many readers stick with the series.

[rufus]

Also, if it's of any reassurance, Highlander comics at Dynamite were selling in the 9,000 range and that was still considered acceptable sales to continue making new ones. It was when things dropped to about 4000 that the plug was pulled.
Never knew Highlander had a comic series.
Hopefully the IDW Turtles will continue to sell and not end up somehwat short lived like Vol 3 did.

[CyberCubed]

I just want a series to do on as long as the Archie series did. That's all I ask.

What's the point of a reboot if it ends too quickly?

[Venom]

I just want a series to do on as long as the Archie series did. That's all I ask.

What's the point of a reboot if it ends too quickly?

There is a little bit of irony to the fact the longest running TMNT title was based off the OT.

Tales Volume 2 has been the only one that came oh-so close to it, but if you factor in the 4 Turtle minis then it did.

[Andrew NDB]

There is a little bit of irony to the fact the longest running TMNT title was based off the OT.

I'd be compelled to count at least Vol. 2's issue count into Vol. 1's, simply because even though there's a volume number separating them, there was no time interruption between the two volumes (unlike between vol. 2 and 3, or 3 and 4). If you do that, you get a run of 75 issues to TMNTA's 72.

Tales Volume 2 has been the only one that came oh-so close to it, but if you factor in the 4 Turtle minis then it did.

Well, if you factor the 4 Turtle minis in Tales V2 then you have to factor in all the Archie minis and stuff too for the Archie material... and then Archie is WAY ahead.

[Venom]

I'd be compelled to count at least Vol. 2's issue count into Vol. 1's, simply because even though there's a volume number separating them, there was no time interruption between the two volumes (unlike between vol. 2 and 3, or 3 and 4). If you do that, you get a run of 75 issues to TMNTA's 72.

Touche :)

Well, if you factor the 4 Turtle minis in Tales V2 then you have to factor in all the Archie minis and stuff too for the Archie material... and then Archie is WAY ahead.

Not necessarily. The 4 minis were birthed either from other Tales (Blind Sight, Bad Moon) or to fill in a perceived gap (Brain Thief, thrid Kind).

I do see what you mean, though.

[CyberCubed]

I believe the Archie series comes out to nearly 110 issues with all the specials, miniseries and Mutanimals books.

I am of course not counting the movie adaptions or the sourcebooks or any collections.

[CyberCubed]

I wonder how the Raphael micro sold compared to the main series.

[Donnie]

I wonder how the Raphael micro sold compared to the main series.

And the Mikey. My LCS shop told me the Raph micro was flyin' off the shelves. So that's good news on the local front.

[Andrew NDB]

The rankings (the actual figures to come shortly) for December are in and it doesn't look like either TMNT #5 or the Raphael special cracked the Top 100. Doesn't mean much, though, since neither #2 or #3 were in the Top 100 either.

http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2011/2011-12.html

[Metropoliskid41]

I can see the numbers seeing a somewhat significant jump when all of the Global Conquest editions come out, I'd think those would sell pretty decently worldwide for people who haven't gotten a chance to pick them up yet or snag them off of ebay. I know there are a few people over at the IDW boards in foreign countries clamoring for them and wondering when they'll show up.

[Archon_Turtle]

I think these number spell doom for the franchise on the whole, and you should worry about them a lot.

DOOOoooOOOOOOOooOOOOOoOOOOOoOOooOOOOoooOOOM!

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[CyberCubed]

Shame people skipped #5. I guess now we're going to see who the true fans are and who just picked up the early issues out of curiosity.

[Metropoliskid41]

Yeah you'd think with #5 introducing the colored bands that woulda at least kept some of those casual fans around for 1 or 2 more issues.

[Matches Malone]

Shouldn't real fans just be people who think the comic book is actually good?

[Andrew NDB]

Yeah you'd think with #5 introducing the colored bands that woulda at least kept some of those casual fans around for 1 or 2 more issues.

I think believing the rainbow bandannas would be any kind of sales tie-that-binds is fallacy. And I think the sales charts are going to prove that.

The interesting part will be to see if sales actually go down after the switch.

[azrael]

The interesting part will be to see if sales actually go down after the switch.

Even if it does... Did they go down because the color change or the 1st arc is done and they dont like it?

We will never know either way.
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I dont think IDW drops a book unless its in the 7-9k range. most of their books sell 12k (I am going on memory from when the TMNT were announced)

[CyberCubed]

I am more curious how the Raph special sold simply because it is separate from the on-going. It'll be interesting to see if the rest of the specials sell as well as the main series.

It'd probably indicate whether we might get regular mini-series from IDW afterward.

[Bobby Curnow]

Wait, you guys don't even know the actual numbers yet. #5 sold over 20K. Compare apples to apples. Check how many other indy comics other than Walking Dead and Buffy sell over 20K at issue #5. The book is doing great.

People aren't going to pick up or drop the book because of the bandanas. They're going to pick up or drop the book based on whether they are enjoying the overall story. To the vast majority of people, bandanas don't enter into it one way or another.

Numbers will continue to go down, because that's what happens for 97% of all books. The question is how fast. So far the are holding very steady. Everything is going way above expectations. So be happy!

[Coola Yagami]

but.... we're ninja turtle fans... WE DON'T WANNA BE HAPPY!!!!

[CyberCubed]

I think some people here don't realize how comic sales actually work....all ongoing series have a normal decline after a big start. Its just hoping it doesn't dip THAT much to cause any problems.

[azrael]

Wait, you guys don't even know the actual numbers yet. #5 sold over 20K. Compare apples to apples. Check how many other indy comics other than Walking Dead and Buffy sell over 20K at issue #5. The book is doing great.

People aren't going to pick up or drop the book because of the bandanas. They're going to pick up or drop the book based on whether they are enjoying the overall story. To the vast majority of people, bandanas don't enter into it one way or another.

Numbers will continue to go down, because that's what happens for 97% of all books. The question is how fast. So far the are holding very steady. Everything is going way above expectations. So be happy!

Agreed on so many levels... I guess what happens here is the more "committed" fans are worried since they have had the rug pulled out from them multiple times, along with personal preferance.

I came late in the game Vol4 just released 29 or 30(? which ever has casey on the cover). So I never had to wait and wonder if/when and discuss and issue to death. I hope PL finishes vol 4, I hope Eastman and Laird would team up one last time to put a final cap on the Mirage publishing, and I hope for you guys to gain new success with the TMNT.

I am not worried as when working with the indy publishers the numbers, cancellation line, and everything sale wise is lower than DC/Marvel. I will say this, you guys put out a quality book from paper, story, and art (atleast with TMNT and GB) its just a higher grade.

The only thing I wished you did is have something like DC's website when it comes to browsing comic releases.

[azrael]

TMNT came in spot #102 according to previews world (http://www.previewsworld.com/Home/1/1/71/977?articleID=116873).

Awesome Job once again IDW

[MikeandRaph87]

Shame people skipped #5. I guess now we're going to see who the true fans are and who just picked up the early issues out of curiosity.

I would not say a person is not a true fan because they dropped the IDW book. I am a huge fan of the TMNT,but my primary interest is pretty much everything that isn't the black and white comics. It depends on the story like Bobby said. Is it the type of turtles that I enjoyed in the two cartoons and Archie comics. What characters will interact with the TMNT. What is the characterization of each turtle like. That sort of thing.

[CyberCubed]

So how did Raphael sell?

[azrael]

you would have to ask IDW tmnt #5 was their top selling comic, that's what? 5 months in a row?

[azrael]

rank index title est.Qty



102 14.72 TEENAGE MUTANT NINJA TURTLES ONGOING #5 19,689

109 13.97 TEENAGE MUTANT NINJA TURTLES MICRO SERIES #1 RAPHAEL 18,686

130 11.91 TEENAGE MUTANT NINJA TURTLES MICRO SERIES #2 MICHELANGELO 15,930

http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/21881.html

[MikeandRaph87]

Azrael, has there been any news about the micro-series coming to trade?

[Metropoliskid41]

About a 1000 copies exactly between Raph and the main series, a little surprised on that one, I wonder if that factors in reorders, I think it sold out pretty much everywhere from the sounds of things. The 5 shops around me were out of it by Friday the week it came out.

I'm also surprised by the big drop off by the Mikey book, I think there might have been a lot of people on the fence that passed based on the cover, which I think fit perfectly for the story, but I know there were a lot of people who were put-off by the art going in.

[Metropoliskid41]

Azrael, has there been any news about the micro-series coming to trade?

Yes they are going to collect all 4 Turtle micro series issues in one trade. So it'll be a while before the Trade hits since the Leo book is still a couple of months off.

[Andrew NDB]

Hm, on the one hand... between #4 and #5, the book lost over 3,000 readers. On the other, IDW TMNT at large (combining TMNT, Raphael #1, and Michelangelo #1) sold 54,305 copies in the month of December... and that's pretty massive, and the relatively close number between the core book and its specials probably have proved that such specials have sealegs. Also on the positive side, #5 still sold more copies than TMNT #2.

Also, I was looking back at an old blurb from Dan Berger -- and now, this has absolutely zero bearing on any comic book sales right now of any book, anywhere at any publisher right now -- it might interest people to know that, at its peak, TMNT Adventures at Archie was selling 400,000 copies an issue.

Also, a very true quote: "Comics sold well when they were 'cheap entertainment' - when they started costing a small fortune, kids (and/or their parents) migrated to more affordable entertainment and all that was left were 'addicted' adults, and that's where the death by attrition began."

[CyberCubed]

Its kind of funny when you look at the sales charts, and you realize TMNT is IDW's highest selling comic for a few months now.

The next IDW comic on that list is the Star Trek/Legion of Superheroes crossover...lol.

[Metropoliskid41]

Hm, on the one hand... between #4 and #5, the book lost over 3,000 readers. On the other, IDW TMNT at large (combining TMNT, Raphael #1, and Michelangelo #1) sold 54,305 copies in the month of December... and that's pretty massive, and the relatively close number between the core book and its specials probably have proved that such specials have sealegs. Also on the positive side, #5 still sold more copies than TMNT #2.

Also, I was looking back at an old blurb from Dan Berger -- and now, this has absolutely zero bearing on any comic book sales right now of any book, anywhere at any publisher right now -- it might interest people to know that, at its peak, TMNT Adventures at Archie was selling 400,000 copies an issue.

Also, a very true quote: "Comics sold well when they were 'cheap entertainment' - when they started costing a small fortune, kids (and/or their parents) migrated to more affordable entertainment and all that was left were 'addicted' adults, and that's where the death by attrition began."

True and we have to take into account availability of the product. In rural states like here in Iowa, there are places where the nearest comic shop is 60 miles. Thats definitely hurting sales for people that might read 4-5 books a month. Back when they were in grocery stores, pharmacies, drug stores, and newsstands sales had to be quite a bit higher just out of availability. My town was one of many that didn't have a comic shop so when they disappeared out of grocery stores I was SOL until I got my drivers license and could drive the 40 miles to the closest comic shop.

[Redeemer]

Im jst happy the TMNT is the highest selling property 4 IDW, but I am concerned by the drop off

[rich]

Everything is going way above expectations. So be happy!

Keeping with the happy thought theme...for 2011 TMNT #1 ranks 417 in quantity and 239 in sales ($$) (http://www.previewsworld.com/Home/1/1/71/977?articleID=117039). :tsmile:

[Toby Barrett]

Its kind of funny when you look at the sales charts, and you realize TMNT is IDW's highest selling comic for a few months now.

The next IDW comic on that list is the Star Trek/Legion of Superheroes crossover...lol.

Just goes to show you that the TMNT are still a license to print money, you just have to use it properly.
And it seems that it's being used properly for the first time in years!

[azrael]

Im jst happy the TMNT is the highest selling property 4 IDW, but I am concerned by the drop off

all comics have a drop off in DEC, just due to Holidays.

[oldmanwinters]

Keeping with the happy thought theme...for 2011 TMNT #1 ranks 417 in quantity and 239 in sales ($$) (http://www.previewsworld.com/Home/1/1/71/977?articleID=117039). :tsmile:

Good to see IDW's Godzilla had fantastic sales for its first issue (ranked 54th in sales and 102nd in quantity). I don't buy the book, but I do hope it wets the U.S. appetite for a new 'Zilla film in the near future.



Also, I was looking back at an old blurb from Dan Berger -- and now, this has absolutely zero bearing on any comic book sales right now of any book, anywhere at any publisher right now -- it might interest people to know that, at its peak, TMNT Adventures at Archie was selling 400,000 copies an issue.

Also, a very true quote: "Comics sold well when they were 'cheap entertainment' - when they started costing a small fortune, kids (and/or their parents) migrated to more affordable entertainment and all that was left were 'addicted' adults, and that's where the death by attrition began."

While there certainly are a handful of titles that I've followed in the last few years and they have brought me some great satisfaction, but I really do miss the good ol' 90s when comic were a great source of "cheap entertainment" for kids and kids-at-heart. Back then, I could buy Batman Adventures, TMNT Adventures, Sonic the Hedgehog, Animaniacs, etc. at my local small-town grocery store. Nowadays the only place to find comics on the shelf is a LCS specialty store occupied mostly by people in their 20s and 30s. It certainly is a change. Whether it's for the better or not I can't say.

[King Suck]

Good to see IDW's Godzilla had fantastic sales for its first issue (ranked 54th in sales and 102nd in quantity). I don't buy the book, but I do hope it wets the U.S. appetite for a new 'Zilla film in the near future.



While there certainly are a handful of titles that I've followed in the last few years and they have brought me some great satisfaction, but I really do miss the good ol' 90s when comic were a great source of "cheap entertainment" for kids and kids-at-heart. Back then, I could buy Batman Adventures, TMNT Adventures, Sonic the Hedgehog, Animaniacs, etc. at my local small-town grocery store. Nowadays the only place to find comics on the shelf is a LCS specialty store occupied mostly by people in their 20s and 30s. It certainly is a change. Whether it's for the better or not I can't say.

As a kid the 80s were the golden age of comics for me.Comics and comic shops were everywhere. The whole Rob Liefield 90s had me get out of comics completely by 93 -95.

I jumped in and out with a few titles over the years until staying the long haul with a few Avatar titles and sticking with a few IDW titles. Still to this day I don't touch the big 2 or any superhero stuff anymore.

[Venom]

Good to see IDW's Godzilla had fantastic sales for its first issue (ranked 54th in sales and 102nd in quantity). I don't buy the book, but I do hope it wets the U.S. appetite for a new 'Zilla film in the near future.

I'm sure the 100-some odd retailer incentive covers had nothing to do with that. :P

[Andrew NDB]

Final sales figures aren't in yet, but TMNT #6 placed at precisely #100, 3 spots ahead of TMNT #5... unless comic book sales went down across the board in January then TMNT #6 outsold #5.

[CyberCubed]

As long as it remains IDW's highest selling comic I don't think we have anything to worry about.

[Redeemer]

all comics have a drop off in DEC, just due to Holidays.

I should have guessed, so it will probably pick back up then

[Andrew NDB]

As long as it remains IDW's highest selling comic I don't think we have anything to worry about.

Certainly not.

I don't think we've quite reached a point where we can say sales have completely leveled off... but it's starting to look like like long-term pastures are pretty green. And possibly (though Vol. 2 sales aren't really charted anywhere) looking at the strongest, most consistent start sales-wise in a TMNT comic book series since the Archie series -- and that lasted over 70 issues.

[CyberCubed]

I assume IDW is turning a profit, what % of sales goes to Nick?

Likewise I don't know IDW's financial situation, so assuming catastrophe doesn't strike with them having to cancel half their titles to avoid bankruptcy, I don't see any reason to be concerned.

I just want a solid 5 year run of this series at the least, because that would give plenty of time to flesh out the universe. Any more than that is just icing on the cake.

[Matches Malone]

Certainly not.

I don't think we've quite reached a point where we can say sales have completely leveled off... but it's starting to look like like long-term pastures are pretty green. And possibly (though Vol. 2 sales aren't really charted anywhere) looking at the strongest, most consistent start sales-wise in a TMNT comic book series since the Archie series -- and that lasted over 70 issues.

Is there a particular source you are getting sales chart numbers for the past TMNT volumes? I'd definitely be interested in checking those numbers out.

[ToTheNines]

I assume IDW is turning a profit, what % of sales goes to Nick?

I don't think Nick gets a sales percentage, I'm pretty sure IDW just has to pay a set licensing fee.

[Hardshell]

The numbers for January:

100 TEENAGE MUTANT NINJA TURTLES ONGOING #6 18,773

http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/22085.html

Holding strong!

[CyberCubed]

Considering IDW's Jurassic Park comic came in at #300:

300
JURASSIC PARK DANGEROUS GAMES #5 2,606



I don't think we have anything to worry about. How can IDW keep that series going when it hits 300, but TMNT makes 100 and we're acting like the series is in trouble? Seriously.

[Redeemer]

I assume IDW is turning a profit, what % of sales goes to Nick?

Likewise I don't know IDW's financial situation, so assuming catastrophe doesn't strike with them having to cancel half their titles to avoid bankruptcy, I don't see any reason to be concerned.

I just want a solid 5 year run of this series at the least, because that would give plenty of time to flesh out the universe. Any more than that is just icing on the cake.

Amen!!!!! I would jst hate the series to end on a cliff hanger....... But I think this series will be awesome

[Andrew NDB]

Is there a particular source you are getting sales chart numbers for the past TMNT volumes? I'd definitely be interested in checking those numbers out.

All we have on the Archie series is Dan's comment about the hundred-plus thousand copies a month at its peak. On Mirage we know that at least until somewhere after Return to New York was selling pretty damn well. For Vol. 3 we can see most of those sales figures on the same place, same link I'm getting the month-to-month figures now. Dreamwave you can find on there as well, if anyone's interested.

I don't think we have anything to worry about. How can IDW keep that series going when it hits 300, but TMNT makes 100 and we're acting like the series is in trouble? Seriously.

Who's acting like it's in trouble? Early warning signs of "trouble" would be bleeding thousands of readers/issues every month which, at a certain point, becomes chartable ending at a certain unsustainable point... but that doesn't seem to be what's happening at all.

[ToTheNines]

I don't think we have anything to worry about. How can IDW keep that series going when it hits 300, but TMNT makes 100 and we're acting like the series is in trouble? Seriously.

Again, licensing fees. IDW is probably not paying much to whoever owns JP to make that book.

That being said, who the hell said anything about the series being in trouble?

[Andrew NDB]

I assume IDW is turning a profit, what % of sales goes to Nick?

Again, licensing fees.

There's a chance I'm dead wrong and it probably varies from company to company and property to property, but I believe licensing fees for comics generally work as some kind of static, flat fee, not a %. "I intend to print X number of copies of X number of issues through X end date" to which the license holder goes, "OK, that will cost you X flat fee to do that."

Though if a book is successful and they want to increase output (more mini-series, a companion series, specials, reprints, etc.) then they have to go back and renegotiate their contract with Nick/Viacom.

[ToTheNines]

February:

107. TEENAGE MUTANT NINJA TURTLES ONGOING #7 - 18,769

129. TEENAGE MUTANT NINJA TURTLES MICRO SERIES #3 - 15,617

[Matches Malone]

Also, the first TPB "Change is Constant" made #10 according to Comics Beat. The highest non DC/Marvel book besides The Walking Dead. Not bad!

[CyberCubed]

February:

107. TEENAGE MUTANT NINJA TURTLES ONGOING #7 - 18,769

129. TEENAGE MUTANT NINJA TURTLES MICRO SERIES #3 - 15,617

Makes me wonder if the drop-off between the Micro's is people don't know they exist.

[Matches Malone]

Makes me wonder if the drop-off between the Micro's is people don't know they exist.

You can't really compare the Micro-Series with the main ongoing as they are two different series. I'm sure it's simply a matter of a few thousand fans out there who don't feel the need to buy an "extra" comic outside the main story. It dropped off a bit between the first and second Micro-Series, but Donatello is pretty much in line with the Michelangelo one (about 15.5K). It'll probably pick up a bit with Leonardo, actually, since that one's going to be a pretty important one, story-wise.

[DonatelloFan]

Alright, I'm VERY new to this whole comic ranking stuff, and still don't quite get it, but it looks like from everyone on here is saying, it's all good.

So when TMNT ranks around #100 or so, that's out of all the comics that month, right? But TMNT is IDW's #1 seller? If that's the case, then it should be all good.

This discussion is long past, but tell me how readers can drop off with #5 because they know that the bandanas were going to change to multi-colored. So that's like saying 'everyone who is deciding to buy a comic looks through it first, decides then if they like what's going on, then buys/doesn't buy it because of a bandana change'? I would think people would buy the comic first, then decide not to buy future issues because of that, but who in the hell would honestly not buy a comic book because of bandanas?

My first issues bought were #5B and #7GCE, then I bought #2 from Jetpack, #3, 4, 6, Raphael, Donatello, and Michelangelo from eBay, then saw the B&W Mikey at Hastings. Even though when I checked the mail today to see I had my Mikey & Don issues (both the color Dan Petersen covers), when I saw the B&W Petersen cover at Hastings (20 minutes after I got my others in the mail, mind you), I had to have it.

So now, I just need Issue #1, and it may be pending, depending on the people accept my offer. The series is pretty good so far. It's getting interesting. And the end of the Raphael issue? Oh man, I was ex-CITED!! I will continue to try buying them at my comic shop and Hastings, but if I don't see the cover I want, I'll go to eBay.

I just know that people buying on eBay hurts sales a little bit, because otherwise I would be buying from a store. I hate that, but I want specific covers, and since my comic shop is small, they MIGHT get Cover B for an issue, but usually, I like the Retail Incentive covers.

I'll continue to read because I think it's interesting. I'm not a fan of the Black Stockman thing, but that's because I grew up with the cartoon, so it's weird to me. But the end of Issue #7 was a great cliffhanger, and makes me want more. As long as the stories don't get stale or boring, I'll buy every month.

And by the way, Dan Petersen's covers are freaking amazing. I can not WAIT for the Leonardo issue to come out!!!

[ToTheNines]

But TMNT is IDW's #1 seller? If that's the case, then it should be all good.

Nah, it was beat out by Magic the Gathering #1 and #2.

[DonatelloFan]

I was just going by what was said earlier in the thread. I guess it WAS the best seller for IDW, but no longer (at the moment anyway).

[ToTheNines]

I was just going by what was said earlier in the thread. I guess it WAS the best seller for IDW, but no longer (at the moment anyway).

Ah, ok. Yeah, it's been IDW's best seller over all since August, but it's been usurped a couple of times by "MTG" and "Danger Girl".

[CyberCubed]

So when TMNT ranks around #100 or so, that's out of all the comics that month, right? But TMNT is IDW's #1 seller? If that's the case, then it should be all good.

The top 100 is all dominated by DC and Marvel comics.

The fact that TMNT gets around there is impressive in itself. That means its one of the best selling non-DC/Marvel comics currently out there, outselling a lot of the other stuff from Image, Darkhorse and IDW's other comic properties.

[ToTheNines]

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/march-2012-comic-book-sales-charts.html

TMNT came in at 98 (77 in dollar rank). Lost a lot of readers, but March sales were really low all around.

[CyberCubed]

Its good to see the series always hover around the 100 mark at the least.

[Bobby Curnow]

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/march-2012-comic-book-sales-charts.html

TMNT came in at 98 (77 in dollar rank). Lost a lot of readers, but March sales were really low all around.

Not sure where you are getting the 'lost a lot of readers' thing. We're close to, if not above 20K, through issue 10.

[ToTheNines]

Not sure where you are getting the 'lost a lot of readers' thing. We're close to, if not above 20K, through issue 10.

I might be reading that wrong, but it looks like #8 only sold 14,000 as opposed to the 18,000 last month.

[Shreddhead]

Im really glad to see the numbers staying fairly consistent. I know i have really been enjoying the series and its good to see that others have too.

[Bobby Curnow]

No, if I'm looking at what I think you're looking at, that's just the 'index', I personally have no idea what that means (if it was the numbers, I would think Invincible Iron Man would be selling more than 24K at the #63 spot. In fact, I know it does). Yeah, all the ongoings have been over 18K. They may have dipped a little below, that but then started climbing again. Both #9 and #10 are above 19K in pre-orders.

Micro-series have all been above 16K.

I always like the Beat's sales analysis, even though they don't report foreign sales (which add about 10%) or re-orders. Here's the last posted numbers. February should be up early next week.

http://www.comicsbeat.com/2012/03/01/indie-month-to-month-sales-january-2012%C2%A0/

Long story short, sales are doing great. So many thanks to you guys. Turtles look healthy for the foreseeable future.

[ToTheNines]

Ah, cool. Thanks.

Any idea how many issues Infestation 2: TMNT sold?

[Redeemer]

Long story short, sales are doing great. So many thanks to you guys. Turtles look healthy for the foreseeable future.

Thanks for the good news and u guys deserve a lot of credit too.
I never bought comics in my life, but I decided in Oct.. or so to buy a 2nd printing of issues 1 and 2 and I was hooked. I have bough every issue so far and I am loving the story, cannot wait for issue 10 with shredder and Leo micro-series.

Comics is my heroine now

[TMNT is cooler than MOTU]

I don't think anyone has to worry about it getting cancelled. It's IDW's #2 book behind Magic: The Gathering.

[ToTheNines]

Numbers just came in. International sales not included.

TMNT 8: 18,775 copies
Infestation 2 TMNT 1: 12,854
Infestation 2 TMNT 2: 11,924

Tristan's books creamed all the other Infestation 2 books so far. :D

[Mr Null]

Those are some great consistant sales! I'm really enjoying the fact the arcs arn't dragged out. Done in ones and maximum 4 issue arcs! (so far) Loving it! I cant stand when arcs are decompredded to 6-8 issues.

[Andrew NDB]

Updated the first post with the last couple of months of sales. Looks like sales have actually increased.

[CyberCubed]

I guess Shredder really does increase sales. There's no doubt that IDW will keep Shredder as long as possible, no way will they kill him off anytime soon.

I wouldn't be surprised if Shredder and Krang remain the main villains of this series for almost its entire run.

[Powder]

Glad to see the book doing so well. I'm curious about the colored Mirage issues too, though.

[CyberCubed]

Glad to see the book doing so well. I'm curious about the colored Mirage issues too, though.

The #1 color classic sold a little more than 10,000 copies. Not bad for a comic that's also in the Ultimate collection.

[Fugitoid Jones]

I don't know if it's already been addressed in this thread, but how are the Ultimate collections selling? Are those selling well enough that the possiblity of future volumes looks bright?

[BAXTER STOCKMAN 19]

Updated the first post with the last couple of months of sales. Looks like sales have actually increased.

Does it include the digital sales? sales from digital stores like amazon e.t.c.? or is it only US retail sales? People who dont live in US are buying it digitaly, because we can not find it in our countrys comic shops.

[BAXTER STOCKMAN 19]

I guess Shredder really does increase sales. There's no doubt that IDW will keep Shredder as long as possible, no way will they kill him off anytime soon.

I wouldn't be surprised if Shredder and Krang remain the main villains of this series for almost its entire run.

That why they must have Shredder in evry issue! They will sell lot better if Shredder is in evry issue!

[papa_smurf73]

The total comics sold is an interesting number. I would love to see the total # printed. I'm way late in this convo, do those numbers exist somewhere?

[Drose18]

The total comics sold is an interesting number. I would love to see the total # printed. I'm way late in this convo, do those numbers exist somewhere?

I'd like to see that too. I'm guessing its around 50,000 for 1-5 40,000 for 6-10 30,000 for the micros 20,000 for the infestation

[Redeemer]

Im wondering how much of an increase in sales we will see when the new cartoon and or movie comes out, bc I am expecting a steady increase in sales and ultimately having more and higher consistent sales

[Matches Malone]

It seems like a likely scenario, but if I remember correctly, Mirage's TMNT comics (Volume 4 and Tales of the TMNT Vol. 2) didn't really experience any boost in sales after the 2K3 cartoon premiered, did they?

[CyberCubed]

It seems like a likely scenario, but if I remember correctly, Mirage's TMNT comics (Volume 4 and Tales of the TMNT Vol. 2) didn't really experience any boost in sales after the 2K3 cartoon premiered, did they?

Nobody knew Mirage was releasing new comics aside from hardcore TMNT fans.

[Redeemer]

It seems like a likely scenario, but if I remember correctly, Mirage's TMNT comics (Volume 4 and Tales of the TMNT Vol. 2) didn't really experience any boost in sales after the 2K3 cartoon premiered, did they?

Nobody knew Mirage was releasing new comics aside from hardcore TMNT fans.

But the 2k3 series wasn't on a major network, With all the new face time they will be getting I am expecting an increase in sales

[CyberCubed]

I think adults won't be watching the new show though. Only us hardcore fans will.

[Redeemer]

I think adults won't be watching the new show though. Only us hardcore fans will.

Yeah, but I am sure plenty of Teenagers will watch the show and maybe get into comics.....I didn't even get into comics until this past year a couple months after IDW launch and that was only bc of the 4kids series, I went to NinjaTurtles.com and saw they digitally uploaded the first few Mirage comics and I was hooked!

[BAXTER STOCKMAN 19]

I think adults won't be watching the new show though. Only us hardcore fans will.

TMNT fans will watch it for sure. Also all of us, TMNT hardcore fans must spread the word about the new show. We must start posting in all major tv forums because by doing that many people that dont know TMNT might decide to see it!:):)

[CyberCubed]

(119) Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles #11 19,416

(139) TMNT Micro Series #5* 15,769


TMNT #11 sold about 150 issues better than #10, so sales are up.

I wonder if Shredder really is causing a sales spike.

[Cowabunga Carl]

I think there will be a bump in sales when the show comes out. Heck I would be surprised if there is a bump with the figures coming out. Mostly the reviews of them have been really positive. So with TMNT starting to show up on peoples radar again the book might do better. Of course it needs to get out there that there is a book.

[Andrew NDB]

Also all of us, TMNT hardcore fans must spread the word about the new show.

What if it sucks? By the same token, do you mean "all of us, TMNT hardcore fans must spread the word about the new show" even if that word is a bad one?

Blind Franchise™ loyalty is a thing that still puzzles me. Am I alone on this?

[Genesis]

I should hope not.

[Cowabunga Carl]

Blind loyalty baffles me. There are aspects of this franchise I'm not excited about. I mean they aren't bad but they aren't my favorites. I can't start promoting the show as being the next best thing tell I've seen it. I think it will be good based off of what we have seen so far, but that is just trailers.

[Andrew NDB]

Updated the first post.

[CyberCubed]

Other than the micros, the main series generally always hovers around the 18,000-19,000+ sales mark.

I think Bobby once said they'd be fine even if the sales dipped all the way down to 12,000...so we're still in clear waters.

[The Purple Dragon]

andrew ndb do you have the sales on color classic,ultimate collection etc

[Andrew NDB]

Updated first post. Looks like the book has taken a small hit since Kuhn started drawing, nothing crazy though. Looks like pretty strong sales for the Annual, too, even despite the price tag... good to see.

[oldmanwinters]

Updated first post. Looks like the book has taken a small hit since Kuhn started drawing, nothing crazy though. Looks like pretty strong sales for the Annual, too, even despite the price tag... good to see.

Thanks for keeping track of these stats, Andrew.

No data for the April O'Neil Micro yet?

[Redeemer]

Glad to see the sales staying steady I am not shocked they dropped, bc of the holiday, I am betting the following months will drop as well.

[CyberCubed]

Glad to see the sales staying steady I am not shocked they dropped, bc of the holiday, I am betting the following months will drop as well.

A small drop was expected because:

- Change in artwork. The switch to Kuhn's art may have turned casuals off.

- People only stuck with the series for the first year. After they saw the Turtles defeat Shredder in issue #12, they felt like they got "closure" and felt it was a good dropping off point.

- Expenses on other comics or entertainment media like videogames, etc. They may pick up the issues they miss from comic shops or ebay which won't count toward the total sales


That being said the series is probably going for a full second year, hopefully we can get a third. I'm hoping we get at least 50 issues out of the main run, along with the numerous micros and minis we could get nearly 100 issues out of everything combined.

[ToTheNines]

#17 sold 16,703 copies and ranked 119 for December.

Only IDW books selling better are My Little Pony (which is very early in its run), and Star Trek/Dr. Who (which is pulling from two fandoms).

[Redeemer]

How bad do the sales have to get before the comic is cancelled and also with the movie coming out as well as the cartoon being an apparent success thus far could this boost IDW sales?????

[ToTheNines]

How bad do the sales have to get before the comic is cancelled and also with the movie coming out as well as the cartoon being an apparent success thus far could this boost IDW sales?????

Well IDW's Ghostbusters book (which is fugging awesome by the way) sold 6,813 copies in December and it's getting "rebranded". By which I mean they're starting over with a new #1 and the cover's going to say The New Ghostbusters, but they're keeping the same continuity and creative team on board.

Not saying this is IDW's universal process for low selling books, but it's an example. Hell, looking closer at the sales report there's a few GI Joe books selling worse than Ghostbusters and they're on issue #20.

As far as a boost, I had expected one when the Nicktoon came out but I guess that's jived with a mostly younger crowd. And I hate to rag on the guy so much, but it probably didn't help that Kuhn was the artist of the ongoing last Fall when the show premiered.

[CyberCubed]

I think it mainly depends on what percentage of the profits of the book go to Nick after IDW.

Remember Nick has to make a profit off the comics too for them to continue going, so whatever money IDW makes a percentage of those sales always go to Nick. If both parties aren't pulling a profit then changes will either be made or the series will end.

[ToTheNines]

The full sales report isn't out yet, but according to Diamond, Secret History of the Foot Clan #1 was IDW's best seller of January (suck it, My Little Pony! :P), ranking 108th overall.

http://www.previewsworld.com/Home/1/1/71/977?articleID=131331

[Bobby Curnow]

That can't even be remotely true. It was behind the ongoing book by a couple thousand, and there were other IDW books ahead of that. (Also, My Little Pony missed the month due to shipping snafu! :trazz:)

[CyberCubed]

Hopefully the micros/mini-series continue to sell enough so IDW continues them after the villain micros.

They really help the pacing with the main on-going to have two TMNT comics going on at almost the same time.

[ToTheNines]

So even though Bobby says they're wonky, here's the numbers for January.

108. Foot Clan #1 - 18,315
147. Foot Clan #2 - 13,180

http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2013/2013-01.html

[rich]

So even though Bobby says they're wonky, here's the numbers for January.

108. Foot Clan #1 - 18,315
147. Foot Clan #2 - 13,180

http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2013/2013-01.html

That list is a bit skewed because it's missing the ongoing TMNT #18 which should really be on there. It's intended to be a January book but of course is missing due to the strike delay and then Diamond screw-up. You'll really need to compare the Feb. list to the Jan. list to see how many copies of #18 were sold to get a true picture of IDW counts and where it might have ranked.

[ToTheNines]

I'm not sure I follow. Foot #1 was supposed to be December yet here it is. Would #18being there mix up the rankings that much anyways?

[rich]

I'm not sure I follow. Foot #1 was supposed to be December yet here it is. Would #18being there mix up the rankings that much anyways?

I can't remember so much what was and wasn't impacted by the Long Beach strike but I'm pretty sure Foot Clan #1 was and so that put it with #2 in January.

Regardless, it's kind of hard to explain and I'm not doing a very good job of it. ;)
I was just saying that the numbers themselves are accurate but they aren't being compared in the correct months. Foot #1 should be in December's (which would put it in comparison with ongoing #17). #18 should be in January's (which would put it in comparison with Foot #2).
In most other months TMNT ongoing is selling 16-18K copies and, without the data for the ongoing in the January report, Foot #1 and #2 look to be higher than they are. In addition, who knows what else is missing from the January report that will appear in February's.

[Bobby Curnow]

The numbers most likely go by pre-sales, so shouldn't matter to much the exact week (and by extension, month) that the book landed in.

That Foot Clan number looks closer to the ongoing number, so maybe they go switched?

Or maybe some orders came out of nowhere, that I don't know about. Doubtful though.

[CyberCubed]

Sprite posted this on the IDW forums sales thread:

Sales for January:

108 TMNT Secret Foot Clan #1 18,315
147 TMNT Secret Foot Clan #2 13,180

119 Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Adventures Vol. 3 941

Is this accurate? Maybe #1 did sell 18,000 and it was #2 that dropped to 13,000....?

[Martin]

very good sales for the new tmnt comics books but sales would have been lot higher if it was released worldwide and not onl in few country. Does IDW realise that they lost thousands of sales by not releasing it in all countries?

Amen to that. I live in Argentina and the only reasonable way to get the comics is to order trades from amazon. It's cheaper than the alternatives, but it's still a lot of money for a bunch of 20 page comics :ohwell:

And don't get me started on getting individual issues... shipping costs are off the roof!

[frank_one]

You have just to be patient. IDW ongoing TMNT comic is coming in Europe through Panini Comics before the end of this year (Italy and Germany are confirmed, as far as I know). I'm sure they'll release it soon in other countries around the world as well.

[ToTheNines]

February numbers:

129. TMNT #18 - 16,172
131. TMNT #19 - 16,125
157. Secret History of the Foot Clan - 12,868

Good month, I'd say. Only IDW book that sold better than the ongoing was GI Joe #1. Which has a movie coming out and, obviously, is a #1.

Also the "Sins of The Fathers" TPB ranked 46th and sold 1,615 copies.

[CyberCubed]

Good numbers, although its a shame the sales aren't in the 18,000-19,000 range like they were last year.

[ToTheNines]

I wouldn't say "a shame", but then again I'm not a drama queen like you.

Like I said, TMNT is basically IDW's hottest selling book. Unless Viacom's licensing fees are astronomical, we're still looking at a very long run for this title.

[HotJuicyBurgers]

I wouldn't say "a shame", but then again I'm not a drama queen like you.

Like I said, TMNT is basically IDW's hottest selling book. Unless Viacom's licensing fees are astronomical, we're still looking at a very long run for this title.

Agreed. The book has already passed the length of Volume 2, and will soon over pass Volume 3, and 4's in length. Anyone think it will surpass Volume 1 in length?

[frank_one]

It has already passed Tales of TMNT vol.1 as well :)
The ultimate goal is to pass Tales of TMNT vol. 2 (70 issues).

[Metropoliskid41]

I would say it definitely has the staying power to make a long run, but I can see it being relaunched (still with a continuous publishing schedule) similar to IDW relaunching the GI JOE, Transformers, and Ghostbusters ongoing series all within the last year.

I could see if a major change happens, say like the death of a major character, whether that is Splinter, Shredder, or another character, that I could see the series being relaunched. It might cause a rift between the turtles and they may pair off & go their separate ways for a while before being reunited. I personally hope we get one continuous series with multiple tie-in minis & Micro-Series volumes, but you can't deny the #1 selling power, diamonds sales numbers over the past 2 years certainly back that argument up.

[Redeemer]

Like I said, TMNT is basically IDW's hottest selling book.

Good news!!!!! the numbers aren't amazing, but they are holding and hopefully we will have many more to come!!!!!

[Hardshell]

Losing just 3000 readers over the course of the year shows great stability for the comic considering how some of the bigger titles will shed 3000 a month. There is no "shame" in the numbers. The book is doing great. I actually expect sales to increase a little bit with the upcoming mega-arc.

[liugeaux]

These last few issues have done well probably because of the good reviews both The Krang War and The Secret History were getting.

[RaphaelsIsolation]

yeah i really wish more people would jump on board with this series. it's such a great series.

I think the sales figured are good, but not dominating obviously. I think we should be in the top 100 comics though.

it is possible that some fans from earlier years are turned off by this reboot because they think it is similair to the cartoon that is out now.

which I don't like at all. I don't know, this new series is really good, but nothing like the cartoon in style or content. I hope the word gets out more. We're barely 1.5 years in

[MikeandRaph87]

I would hope we get back up to a steady 18,000 with #22. That number just looks better than 16.2. Though it is nice to see it was not even 50 less between #18 and #19. I would think the strike and three week shipping delay for most of us hurt the sales a little bit. Also being a concluding chapter, #20 should score a bit better in total copies sold.

How is this series selling compared to Archie's Adventures line?

[HeroTurtlesFan]

You have just to be patient. IDW ongoing TMNT comic is coming in Europe through Panini Comics before the end of this year (Italy and Germany are confirmed, as far as I know). I'm sure they'll release it soon in other countries around the world as well.

Hi, small correction: The Panini comic is NOT reprinting the IDW ongoing series. The Panini comic, which launches in May, features all new exclusive comic strips (stand by, you completists!) alongside games/fact files/free gifts etc, similar to the company's recently-cancelled "Thundercats" title.

Obviously, it is centred around the new cartoon series.

[frank_one]

Hi, small correction: The Panini comic is NOT reprinting the IDW ongoing series. The Panini comic, which launches in May, features all new exclusive comic strips (stand by, you completists!) alongside games/fact files/free gifts etc, similar to the company's recently-cancelled "Thundercats" title.

Obviously, it is centred around the new cartoon series.
Panini IS reprinting the IDW ongoing series as well, I'm sure about it. The first issue, containing IDW ongoing series #1 and #2 has been already announced here in Italy and I'm sure they're going to release this series in other European countries too. It is part of their deal, they say.
They're gonna publish some kind of magazine based on the new cartoon series as well, like you said.

[Chris]

The numbers are still really healthy. The book's had some good word of mouth recently, hopefully that combined Kevin Eastman doing art for the next issue and the start of City Fall (and the online promotion that's had) will give the numbers a bump for 21 and get more people reading the book.

What surprised me are the numbers for TMNT Adventures Vol. 3, I know the Adventures collections are over priced for 4 issues (and we aren't at the really good stuff yet), but below 1k? I just hope IDW keep putting them out, I'd hate for them to stop before they reach the stories everyone wants.

[frank_one]

What surprised me are the numbers for TMNT Adventures Vol. 3, I know the Adventures collections are over priced for 4 issues (and we aren't at the really good stuff yet), but below 1k? I just hope IDW keep putting them out, I'd hate for them to stop before they reach the stories everyone wants.
Below 1k? Wow, I didn't know it was going so bad. The fact is that this series is based on an universe of the franchise most people doesn't care about anymore, the old cartoon. I know, actually only the first issues were strictly related to the cartoon and most of the stuff was new but a lot of people doesn't know it.

[Metropoliskid41]

Really what I think is hurt those sales numbers is simply the price. $20 for a reprint of 4-5 issues that are over 20 years old is a little steep. I'll keep picking them up, most of my old Archie issues are pretty banged up and I like the collected editions sitting on the shelf, but I can see why the price would discourage others. You can find VF-NM copies of the original issues for less than the trades collecting them.

Hopefully IDW keeps cranking them out like you said. I really hope we get to see all of them collected and then have IDW move onto collecting & reprinting some nice Hardcovers of the 90s TMNT newspaper comic strip.

[frank_one]

Really what I think is hurt those sales numbers is simply the price. $20 for a reprint of 4-5 issues that are over 20 years old is a little steep.
Yes, it is this as well. $20 is really too much for something so old :-?

[Chris]

It's not so much the age as the quantity, $20 is just too much for 4 issues. That's $5 an issue! Double it to 8 issues for $20 and that's a much better deal. Or maybe increase to 6 issues and bring the price down to $15.

The issue count really needs to increase or it'll take forever to reach arcs like Future Tense.

[ToTheNines]

March numbers:

133. TMNT #20 - 16,084
156. Foot Clan #4 - 13,090

[RaphaelsIsolation]

hmm, those are solid numbers... not bad or good really.

I hope they can get up to the 20,000 range

does anyone know what the lowest selling issue (regular main story issue)?

[CyberCubed]

I believe the lowest selling issues were the Infestation specials, or the Fugitoid micro.

[MrTMNT2012]

So overall, is the IDW Series doing better than Turtle Comics in the past? I'm really getting more and more interested in this Series so I want it do well :)

[CyberCubed]

So overall, is the IDW Series doing better than Turtle Comics in the past? I'm really getting more and more interested in this Series so I want it do well :)

I believe its doing better than Volume 4/Tales and Image did. Probably not as much as Volume 1, 2, or Archie, but I don't know for certain.

[MikeandRaph87]

This brings up a good point. I never have been able to find a sales chart for TMNT Adventures. I am sure it was the best selling Ninja Turtles comic but would like to know a ballpark figure of sales it might.

[CyberCubed]

Any updates?

[Hardshell]

Big jump in sales:

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Ongoing
21 20,658
19 16,125
(+28.11%)

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Villain Microseries
1 13,688

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=45341

No idea where the sales numbers for #20 are.

[rich]

Big jump in sales:

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Ongoing
21 20,658
19 16,125
(+28.11%)


While this is just speculation at this point, I predict that #22 will be in the range of 25-30K copies. It's a big issue story-wise but, in addition, the 1:100 RI B Eastman sketch variant should be responsible for a major spike. I personally bought 400 copies of #22 and I know of at least 4 other people that bought 100 or more copies. I'll be curious to see how all that shakes out in the final sales numbers.

[CyberCubed]

While this is just speculation at this point, I predict that #22 will be in the range of 25-30K copies. It's a big issue story-wise but, in addition, the 1:100 RI B Eastman sketch variant should be responsible for a major spike. I personally bought 400 copies of #22 and I know of at least 4 other people that bought 100 or more copies. I'll be curious to see how all that shakes out in the final sales numbers.

Yeah, but when you buy 400 issues aren't you selling those off to others, hence them not needing to buy their own copies at some point?

[mgambino]

Yeah, but when you buy 400 issues aren't you selling those off to others, hence them not needing to buy their own copies at some point?

I'm pretty sure comic book sales figures only take day 1 orders into account.

[CyberCubed]

I'm pretty sure comic book sales figures only take day 1 orders into account.

That's what I meant, second-hand comic sales don't go to the publishers.

[mgambino]

That's what I meant, second-hand comic sales don't go to the publishers.

I was agreeing with you. I probably should have have started with that.

[rich]

Yeah, but when you buy 400 issues aren't you selling those off to others, hence them not needing to buy their own copies at some point?

Theoretically, yes. But, in actuality, likely not. Those with normal subscriptions to TMNT at their local shop won't likely buy from me. Then, only those that usually buy their copies on eBay might buy from me. Plus, the store or person they might usually buy from online or on eBay will be expecting the same (or more) buyers as in the past so they'll buy the same amount of copies (if not more) they think they'll need.

[rich]

I'm pretty sure comic book sales figures only take day 1 orders into account.

Yes, but all sellers had to get them from the pre-order anyway (either they are a shop owner or they order through an authorized shop like I did). You can't just go to Diamond and order comics if your'e not an authorized retailer.

[ToTheNines]

No idea where the sales numbers for #20 are.

I have an idea.

March numbers:

133. TMNT #20 - 16,084
156. Foot Clan #4 - 13,090

Funny that #21 sold so much and it was by far the weakest issue of the whole run. I hope it didn't turn many people off.

[CyberCubed]

Issue 21 only sold 4,000 more because of Eastman. Maybe they show have him draw more issues.

[Mayhem]

While this is just speculation at this point, I predict that #22 will be in the range of 25-30K copies. It's a big issue story-wise but, in addition, the 1:100 RI B Eastman sketch variant should be responsible for a major spike. I personally bought 400 copies of #22 and I know of at least 4 other people that bought 100 or more copies. I'll be curious to see how all that shakes out in the final sales numbers.
I presume you're keeping all four 1:100 copies you get then? ;)

(hint: if one's going spare, I'd defo be interested)

[rich]

I presume you're keeping all four 1:100 copies you get then? ;)

(hint: if one's going spare, I'd defo be interested)

Not sure actually. It really all depends on 2 things: the type / variability of the sketches Eastman does on them and the quantity Eastman does. The rest of this may be more info. than you're looking for but it may be interesting to document my experiences and thought process for my answer above.

For the #1 RI D sketch (1:50) I didn't end up selling any of the 6 I got because all the sketches were very different and the price-point for selling them wasn't high enough to warrant me selling 6 different pieces of original art. Had all the sketches been nearly the same with only minor variations I would have kept just one for my collection and sold the rest. On the flip side of that, those were only 1:50 variants so there was good enough quantity available that they were relatively affordable at $250-400. If the #22 RI B 1:100 turns out to have every cover being very original (like the #1 RI D), couple that with it being a 100 copy incentive (= lower quantity), then the price point could be much more favorable to warrant selling them. It's a wait and see game for sure but that's why I buy 400 copies instead of just buying a single copy of RI B outright for $200 pre-sale. If I end up keeping all the RI B 1:100 covers all I have to do is sell all 400 copies at the price I paid and I break even on cost. However, I've actually gained 40 copies of the 10 copy incentive and 4 copies of the 100 copy incentive at no additional cost by doing this.
There's a lot of risk and overhead to doing this and it's not right for everyone. If the issue isn't popular then I'm eating a lot of cost. It's just the way I choose to do things so that I can afford to keep my collection going. By doing it this way, collecting every cover eventually pays for itself and every copy is "free" in the end. :) The "end" being when I am able to offload all the copies....and this can take years. :ohwell:

[Mayhem]

Gotcha. And I'd have considered it as well if I wasn't trying to save for San Diego this year...

But as noted, if you do sell at least one, please bear me in mind ;)

[rich]

Gotcha. And I'd have considered it as well if I wasn't trying to save for San Diego this year...

But as noted, if you do sell at least one, please bear me in mind ;)

Sure thing. :D

[ToTheNines]

May:

78. TMNT #22 - 27,759
188. Baxter Stockman - 11,360

[Veg]

May:

78. TMNT #22 - 27,759
188. Baxter Stockman - 11,360

For us noobs, is this a good number? How does it compare to the major companies numbers??

[ToxicRevolution]

For us noobs, is this a good number? How does it compare to the major companies numbers??

Well the numbers before the titles are their sales rank; ie TMNT #22 was the 78th highest-selling comic in May. The highest selling was X-Men #1 with over 177,000 sales. Obviously some of the lesser-known series from the big guys don't sell nearly that much, but the big name characters from Marvel and DC seem to float around anywhere from 50-100k (and up).

[HeroTurtlesFan]

It's a fantastic number for TMNT, and IDW. Their two biggest selling books are "My Little Pony" and "TMNT".

[MikeandRaph87]

The micro-series numbers seem down around 4-5 K. The series is tied directly into the ongoing and just and gives the reader a chance to get to know a character better not to mention just as interesting.

[MrTMNT2012]

I hope by the end of the 'City Fall' arc, we reach 40k because it really deserves it. :) More than any other comic, this is one BIG Event that deserves recognition!

[Redeemer]

So apparently the hype for City Fall #22 has really helped with sales
:D 27k!!!!
http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2013/2013-05.html

Unfortunately sales for #23 dropped to say the least
17.7K a little drop to say the least... but some pretty high sales to say the least.

But #22 had the second highest sales sense its launch(1# is the obvious number 1)

[CyberCubed]

Really odd to see #22 with such high sales and #23 drop by 10k. I don't think I'll ever understand had the comic industry works.

[Redrumh2o]

Really odd to see #22 with such high sales and #23 drop by 10k. I don't think I'll ever understand had the comic industry works.

It was all because of the Eastman Sketch covers. I am sure that shops that generally order less than 100 bumped up their orders to make a few bucks

[Rat_King]

I know several of us, myself included, specifically bought 100 copies to get the sketch cover. Let alone all the shops and sites that did so for resale purposes.

[CyberCubed]

I know several of us, myself included, specifically bought 100 copies to get the sketch cover. Let alone all the shops and sites that did so for resale purposes.

What did you do with those extra 100 copies? :lol:

[Rat_King]

What did you do with those extra 100 copies? :lol:

As for now, they sit in a box. :tlol: At some point here I'll put them up for sale real cheap. I figure the people most likely to benefit and still need them would be overseas buyers.

[***First of Two Latin Kings***]

I know Rich sold his dirt cheap, I bought four copies of Cover A from him and 4 copies of Cover B, one of each for myself and the three people who get their comics from me.

Rat King-- what was the ratio of each cover to the hundred in that box you had to order to get the sketch cover? Also, if you're looking to help out international buyers, it is better to put together sets of four or five (or more) consecutive issues since you actually save on shipping when you ship that many books together.

[Redeemer]

I know several of us, myself included, specifically bought 100 copies to get the sketch cover. Let alone all the shops and sites that did so for resale purposes.

Holy $#1t!!! :o

[ToTheNines]

Disappointing that City Fall didn't create an actual jump in readers, but those are still healthy sales. The Villain Micro series numbers are starting to get ugly... although B&R just might help a bit :)

Very excited to see how New Animated Adventures sold this month.

[CyberCubed]

It might be artificial sales but its still sales nonetheless. If it keeps the series healthy does it matter if one guy buys 100 issues?

[MikeandRaph87]

Disappointing that City Fall didn't create an actual jump in readers, but those are still healthy sales. The Villain Micro series numbers are starting to get ugly... although B&R just might help a bit :)

Very excited to see how New Animated Adventures sold this month.

That was my concern as soon as you posted the numbers for Baxter Stockman. I would have thought a stable 14,000. I do expect Old Hob and Alopex to score lower since theyy are new characters not recgonizable to non-readers of this series. If. Baxter is only pulling between 11.3 and 11.4 Hob's numbers coming soon may be just 4 digits of copies. I hoped for this to go on to cover each character yet it may just not be the case.

An alternate cover by Eastman for the Bebop and Rocksteady issue should bring in a healthy number especially if there more like Rat_King out there.Hear this IDW?

[Andrew NDB]

Updated first post with latest numbers.

[CyberCubed]

The series generally remains consistent around the 16,000-19,000 range of sales for the main series. Most of the spikes has to do with people buying alternate covers and whatnot. Looks fine there.

We should probably start worrying about the micros though. Alopex only sold 10,000 and the one before only 11,000. From the looks of things the micros might come to an end after #8 which will be Shredder's issue.

I do wonder how the Bebop/Rocksteady micro will do. That cover just screams, "Buy me!" to anyone who grew up with the original toon.

[Andrew NDB]

I do wonder how the Bebop/Rocksteady micro will do. That cover just screams, "Buy me!" to anyone who grew up with the original toon.

Gets a big "Burn me!" from me, or at the very least a "Stop in front of me at the rack, sigh, shake your head, and keep on walking by."

[Tazi]

We should probably start worrying about the micros though. Alopex only sold 10,000 and the one before only 11,000.
That's kind of a shame, Alopex issue had the best writing of all the villain micros so far.

B&R issue will probably be picked up by a few more people, cuz the OT-love, but it doesn't mean that much, Krang also was big in OT.

[pingclang]

I'm friends with a guy who runs a comic shop and the only people getting the Micros are us hardcores. I think the general fan just doesn't want a bunch of minis and side stories to read. They just want that once a month fix. Still, 10,000 ain't bad.

[CyberCubed]

I'm friends with a guy who runs a comic shop and the only people getting the Micros are us hardcores. I think the general fan just doesn't want a bunch of minis and side stories to read. They just want that once a month fix. Still, 10,000 ain't bad.

10,000 is pretty bad, Alopex is the lowest selling IDW TMNT comic ever. It might have to do with Alopex being an obscure character to most though.

The Krang micro did decently, and I think the Bebop/Rocksteady and Shredder one could do well. Maybe the Hun micro too.

If not, we might be saying goodbye to the Micros in the future.

[Tazi]

I think he ment that 10,000 is a pretty acceptable stat, comparing it with other idw books or other comic books. (obviously DC/Marvel sells a lot more, that doesn't mean anything)

[pingclang]

I think he ment that 10,000 is a pretty acceptable stat, comparing it with other idw books or other comic books. (obviously DC/Marvel sells a lot more, that doesn't mean anything)

That is what I was saying, you just aren't going to get huge numbers from IDW like you would at the big 2. As for the Micros going away, Cubed, that's fine by me. After Shredder we will have had 16 micros between the heroes and villains. I think that's enough. It's a MICRO series, not a friggin ongoing.

[Toby Barrett]

More mini-series like Secret History of the Foot Clan would be welcome in my book however.

[Joey Kamikaze]

10,000 copies doesn't strike me as bad for a side-story based on a book from an independent publisher that's hovering between 15-20k for the main series. You can't expect everyone reading the main book to be hardcore and always buying the one-shots as well--and I've heard the one-shots can be hard to find in some markets for whatever reason, too. You also have to take those who trade-wait into account.

The only IDW book consistently selling better is My Little Pony (...bronies... :trolleye: ). Expect the X-Files book to drop a great deal in the next couple months; #1's of big name series generally get a bump from collectors, especially when multiple covers are involved (look at TMNT's 30k launch). (Also, personally, I wasn't crazy about X-Files #1 and don't plan on picking up any more of it.)

The TMNT one-shots have outsold most of IDW's other books, including popular licenses like Doctor Who, Star Trek, GI Joe, Ghostbusters and Transformers. Even the villain one-shots are doing better numbers than most of those other ongoing series. If IDW's other series normally sold hundreds of thousands of copies a month, yeah, 10k would be a problem. Truth is, many of IDW's non-Pony/Turtles books seem to have trouble even breaking 10k to begin with. I don't think the Turtles are going anywhere soon.

[Joey Kamikaze]

Also, as far as the micros go, I don't think we need a micro every month, but maybe 4-8 a year would be nice. The micros have done a great job of fleshing out the IDW universe, foreshadowing future plotlines in the main series and giving some of the side characters room to grow. I expect a break in the micros after City Fall while the Turtles go off to lick their wounds and the creative team takes time for a breather after this monster storyline, but my gut says we'll probably get another round in 2014. I like the idea of team-up one-shots. Or maybe we'll get a few issues focusing on Hob's speculated mutant antihero team if that happens.

...Now that I think about it, they could even do something where they combine heroes and villains/antiheroes for one-shots. Raphael & Alopex. Michelangelo & Slash. Leonardo & Karai. Donatello & Baxter Stockman. Heck, how about Casey & April vs Bebop & Rocksteady, where they have to cleverly deal with the pair without the Turtles around? That sort of thing. There are plenty of stories to tell outside the main book. Personally, I've been loving the one-shots...

[pingclang]

I don't hate the Micro-series, I just think that we've had enough, once it comes to an end. I agree with you, Joey, that some interesting team-ups could be fun and a good read. I never realized that TMNT was IDWs biggest seller, I read on CBR that Transformers: Regeneration One was in the top spot, but I guess that source was wrong? It's good to hear that Turtles draws that big a crowd.

Also, we now have the Animated Adventures series to sate our hunger with too. It's only been one issue so far but it was a good read and if the quality keeps, could be good for IDW as well.

[liugeaux]

As crazy as this sounds...I think one of the factors is the lack of 2 standard A/B covers for the villains micros. I know if a portion of the fanbase is like me, they are only buying 1 copy instead of 2.

I'm not saying that's the reason, I just know that I'm buying half of what I used to because only half is available.

[CyberCubed]

Its obvious that the casuals don't bother buying the micros for whatever reason. They're just content with the main series.

I don't see why though, they're missing huge parts of the story by not following the micros. Especially Fugitoid's issue, Leonardo's, Raphael's and April's.

[pingclang]

Its obvious that the casuals don't bother buying the micros for whatever reason. They're just content with the main series.

I don't see why though, they're missing huge parts of the story by not following the micros. Especially Fugitoid's issue, Leonardo's, Raphael's and April's.

Eh, you can still enjoy the main series without having read the Micros. Some folks just want or can only afford the one book to get their Turtles craving filled each month and don't HAVE to have the side-stories.

[ToTheNines]

July:

146. TMNT #24 - 16,484
200. Alopex - 11,031

New Animated Adventures #1 ranked in at 165 selling 14,397 copies.

Updated first post with latest numbers.

I noticed you have Alopex as the June Micro. Old Hob came out in June, and Alopex was July.

[MikeandRaph87]

July:

146. TMNT #24 - 16,484
200. Alopex - 11,031

New Animated Adventures #1 ranked in at 165 selling 14,397 copies.



I noticed you have Alopex as the June Micro. Old Hob came out in June, and Alopex was July.


What happened to the main ongoing? What storybeat scared off readership that seemed strong as the entry point of City Fall part 1 proved solid? Perhaps we each should pleadge to attempt to recruit one new reader each before #26? That might help spike it back up to 20,000 where I feel more comfortable with the sales.

[CyberCubed]

People buy alternate covers, that inflates sales.

[ToTheNines]

What happened to the main ongoing? What storybeat scared off readership that seemed strong as the entry point of City Fall part 1 proved solid? Perhaps we each should pleadge to attempt to recruit one new reader each before #26? That might help spike it back up to 20,000 where I feel more comfortable with the sales.

#22 didn't have an actual jump in readers, a bunch of people had to buy 100 copies to get the Eastman sketch variant.

The book is selling great though. Other than MLP, Turtles is IDW's best selling book (I guess there's X-Files, too. But that's on #2). You have to keep in mind that this isn't DC and Marvel... I mean, Turtles is far ahead of GI Joe, Transformers, Ghostbusters and plenty of IDW's tentpole titles.

Also, even though it went down in rank, did you notice that the Micro series jumped in sales?

[MikeandRaph87]

#22 didn't have an actual jump in readers, a bunch of people had to buy 100 copies to get the Eastman sketch variant.

The book is selling great though. Other than MLP, Turtles is IDW's best selling book (I guess there's X-Files, too. But that's on #2). You have to keep in mind that this isn't DC and Marvel... I mean, Turtles is far ahead of GI Joe, Transformers, Ghostbusters and plenty of IDW's tentpole titles.

Also, even though it went down in rank, did you notice that the Micro series jumped in sales?

Not until you said so. I expected low sales from what we have seen before with Old Hob and Alopex since they are IDW original and noreaders would not be aware of them. Bebop and Rocksteady will be interesting to see the numbers of.

As for the Eastman sketch, I did not know more than a few would spend that lind of money in order to get the cover. I thought with the jump on point presented a slightly higher average would form not few hunderd of 17,000 readers buying up extra copies. Story quality has been something for both sides of fandom to appreciate so that should strengthen numbers in time.

[CyberCubed]

Its usually hard to attract new readers who aren't already huge TMNT fans in some way. Most of those 16,000 a month sales come from already established TMNT fans from the 80's and 90's.

Also some people just check out the comic for a few issues and then drop it for whatever reason. That's just the way the comic industry works.

[MrTMNT2012]

So do we have the numbers for Issue #24? Hoping the series reaches 40,000 by the end of this saga!

[ToTheNines]

Literally 6 posts before yours.

[MrTMNT2012]

Thanks. :) I only check the first and last pages so that's how I missed it...

[CyberCubed]

Also keep in mind these sales don't count digital sales or international sales, if we include those, the numbers are much higher. Or the trade paperback sales, some people don't buy the single issues and just wait for the trades.

Bobby said they already have planned out to IDW TMNT #50, so I'm sure sales will be steady to there at least.

The real milestone is if the series hits the big 100th issue....but that won't be for many years from now if it happens.

[ToTheNines]

August numbers are in:

117. TMNT #25 - 17,833 copies
173. Villain micro: Karai - 10,343 copies
174. New Animated Adventures - 10,304 copies

[CyberCubed]

The Nick comic is selling pretty well for what it is. Hopefully more kids who watch the cartoon get into it overtime.

It would help if IDW sold the Nick comic to stores where kids generally browse like Toys R Us and so forth. I remember seeing a lot of kids DC and Marvel comics at Toys R Us.

[HeroTurtlesFan]

Would also help if they got through the distribution rights and actually sold it in the UK!

[ToTheNines]

September numbers:

179. TMNT #26 - 17,321 copies
235. TMNT Micro series: Hun - 9,977 copies
251. TMNT NAA #3 - 8,744 copies

Ignore the severe drop in rankings, DC went apesh*t with their villains month so each of their titles had up to 4 releases last month, plus 2D and 3D covers that got counted separately in sales.

So we're pretty stable. Still one of IDW's top books, behind My Little Pony, as well as Powerpuff Girls strong start (did anyone read that? I'm thinking about picking it up).

New Animated Adventures took a bit of a drop, so I'm slightly worried about that book. I expect the Micro to jump in sales with B&R coming up, as well as Shredder.

[Redeemer]

September numbers:

So we're pretty stable. Still one of IDW's top books, behind My Little Pony, as well as Powerpuff Girls strong start (did anyone read that? I'm thinking about picking it up).

How in the hell are we behind My Little Poney??? seriously?????? Seriously how in the Hell?? Is their like a secret Broney society buying up the books????

[CyberCubed]

How in the hell are we behind My Little Poney??? seriously?????? Seriously how in the Hell?? Is their like a secret Broney society buying up the books????

My Little Pony's primary audience is actually 30+ year old adult men, instead of 8 year old girls like it should be.

You can bet most of the people buying that comic are adult men rather than little girls. One of lifes great mysteries.

[dkram230]

My Little Pony's primary audience is actually 30+ year old adult men, instead of 8 year old girls like it should be.

You can bet most of the people buying that comic are adult men rather than little girls. One of lifes great mysteries.

I believe you, but I don't understand. I don't think I want to understand...

[Redeemer]

I believe you, but I don't understand. I don't think I want to understand...

one word creepers

[ToTheNines]

How in the hell are we behind My Little Poney??? seriously?????? Seriously how in the Hell?? Is their like a secret Broney society buying up the books????

Curnow edits it. He's a wizard.

[Redeemer]

Curnow edits it. He's a wizard.

I dont care if Frank miller writes it and Jack Kirby draws it!!!!

[rich]

My Little Pony's primary audience is actually 30+ year old adult men, instead of 8 year old girls like it should be.

You can bet most of the people buying that comic are adult men rather than little girls. One of lifes great mysteries.

I buy MLP for my 7-year old daughter. We read it at bedtime and she loves it. I know of 2 other friends that do the same. Not all of us are weirdos.

[DrSpengler]

I buy IDW's My Little Pony and I regret nothing.

[Redeemer]

I buy MLP for my 7-year old daughter. We read it at bedtime and she loves it. I know of 2 other friends that do the same. Not all of us are weirdos.

This I understand

I buy IDW's My Little Pony and I regret nothing.

This I dont

then again all this proves is that fact that a may be in fact a bigot on this matter :P

[Andrew NDB]

I feel like the Bronies and all of that are somewhat similar to Jack Black fans. Where Jack Black is all about empty-headed facial expressions, mannerisms, and "look at how insanely clever I am at behaving stupidly!" so his fans, themselves, feel clever and "in on the joke," with My Little Pony it's pretty inherently feminine and insular to very young girls so I guess the draw to its 30 year old male fans is something like, "Look at me, look at me, I'm sitting here totally comfortable being a 30 year old man watching a show for 5 year old girls... bet you don't know what to think of me now, dontcha? Dontcha?"

But to the rest of us, the sound minded people... like with Jack Black, we get the joke just fine. In fact, we've always gotten it. We just don't find it funny at all.

[Coola Yagami]

Isn't it kinda equally sad that the TMNT main fanbase are also adults in their 30's? I'm pretty sure we outnumber the children fans the cartoon was meant for.

[CyberCubed]

Isn't it kinda equally sad that the TMNT main fanbase are also adults in their 30's? I'm pretty sure we outnumber the children fans the cartoon was meant for.

Well the franchise started in the mid-80's, of course all of us original fans are going to be in our late 20's or early 30's.

It's the same thing with people who grew up in the 90's are now in their 20's.

[Andrew NDB]

Isn't it kinda equally sad that the TMNT main fanbase are also adults in their 30's? I'm pretty sure we outnumber the children fans the cartoon was meant for.

I don't think that's remotely true.

[Redeemer]

Well the franchise started in the mid-80's, of course all of us original fans are going to be in our late 20's or early 30's.

It's the same thing with people who grew up in the 90's are now in their 20's.

I dont agree at all I think maybe a majority of the hardcore tmnt fan, but that will change with the movies

I don't think that's remotely true.

agreed

by the way Im only 22 and I am by no means the youngest member on here

[Andrew NDB]

agreed

by the way Im only 22 and I am by no means the youngest member on here

It's not even about who's "here"... the actual active number of members on this board -- pretty universally agreed as the hub of "active TMNT online TMNT fans willing to go on a message board," yes? -- is under 3,000 members at last glance (go ahead and look at the main page, it keeps an active tally). Even going by pure viewership of the Nicktoon, we're talking about millions and millions of viewers... far and wide, these are little ass kids who haven't even grasped how to play anything other than Angry Birds on a touchscreen pad let alone log onto any kind of internet message boards. And just about every parent I've ever spoken to about my age has a little ass kid who was fanatical about the 4Kids cartoon, without fail... it's strange, actually.

[liugeaux]

It's not even about who's "here"... the actual active number of members on this board -- pretty universally agreed as the hub of "active TMNT online TMNT fans willing to go on a message board," yes? -- is under 3,000 members at last glance (go ahead and look at the main page, it keeps an active tally). Even going by pure viewership of the Nicktoon, we're talking about millions and millions of viewers... far and wide, these are little ass kids who haven't even grasped how to play anything other than Angry Birds on a touchscreen pad let alone log onto any kind of internet message boards. And just about every parent I've ever spoken to about my age has a little ass kid who was fanatical about the 4Kids cartoon, without fail... it's strange, actually.

Agreed, my kid is 3 1/2 and loves "Anger Birds" and "Ninjer Tutles" and will probably continue to for years to come. That is really who Nick is hoping digs the new show. In addition to that, Nick knows they will always have the casuals who want to buy a shotglass or t-shirt with the OT logo on it from Spencers. There's a pretty reliable revenue stream from nostalgeeks alone. Then, there's us, the hard to please yet still willing to spend ungodly amounts of money on turtles stuff, while simultaneously assuming "we" are the official representatives of all TMNT fans.

All three of these groups are annoying in their own special ways, but in the end all that really matters is that TMNT continue to bring in money and as long as that's the case Nick will probably continue to cater to all of us in some way.

[CyberCubed]

Keep in mind most of the original Mirage fanbase who picked up the first comics in 1984 likely dropped the series around the guest era of Volume 1 and never came back. That and around when the cartoon frenzy started they probably felt they weren't reading an obscure indie comic anymore after it became a licensing kids feast.

The people on this forum were the kids of the 80's and early 90's who grew up with the original toon and then discovered the Mirage comics as we got older. Then we just stuck with the franchise for the rest of our lives.

[Andrew NDB]

Keep in mind most of the original Mirage fanbase who picked up the first comics in 1984 likely dropped the series around the guest era of Volume 1 and never came back. That and around when the cartoon frenzy started they probably felt they weren't reading an obscure indie comic anymore after it became a licensing kids feast.

True. But bottom line, most people of sound mind outgrew the cartoon at some point and never really looked back.

[Redeemer]

True. But bottom line, most people of Sound Mind outgrew the cartoon at some point and never really looked back.

uh-oh looks like we have some future serial killers on the board :shifty::shifty::shifty:

[Cipher]

The people on this forum were the kids of the 80's and early 90's who grew up with the original toon and then discovered the Mirage comics as we got older.
This is probably shockingly accurate.