Sonic the Hedgehog Live-Action/CGI Movie Targeting 2020 Release Date

[Papenbrook]

This movie won't have any legs (to run or stand on).

... yeah ..., this film's gonna suck. :(

By the way, does anyone else think they'll make a "Blue Lives Matter" joke?

[Wildcat]

But then it'll be another Giant Robot attacking a city scenario. Like we seen in other movies before. I would like to see Perfect Chaos make an appearance in the movie.

It would be cool to see this in the movie.It would be cool to see a live action chaos but he’s not very “iconic” to be the lead villain. They already used him in Sonic X.

Even if it is just (giant) robots I’ll be happy because that’s what Eggman does...build robots. There’s plenty of game designs they can base them on.

I wouldn’t mind seeing the wrecking ball from the first game. I don’t mean in a fight because it’s basically nothing but if Eggman used it to knock something over that’d be kinda funny. It’d be a nice nod.

There’s a lot I’d like to see but it just would not fit. Especially when things have to be set up. I hope they at least use one of Eggman’s signature machines.

[TigerClaw]

It would be cool to see a live action chaos but he’s not very “iconic” to be the lead villain. They already used him in Sonic X.

Even if it is just (giant) robots I’ll be happy because that’s what Eggman does...build robots. There’s plenty of game designs they can base them on.

I wouldn’t mind seeing the wrecking ball from the first game. I don’t mean in a fight because it’s basically nothing but if Eggman used it to knock something over that’d be kinda funny. It’d be a nice nod.

There’s a lot I’d like to see but it just would not fit. Especially when things have to be set up. I hope they at least use one of Eggman’s signature machines.
If it does well enough and they do sequels. I would like to see Metal Sonic.

[Wildcat]

If it does well enough and they do sequels. I would like to see Metal Sonic.Totally agree. He’s my favorite Sonic villain.

[Leo656]

I could see Chaos being the villain of a third movie. I think he'd be too big right outta the gate.

What're the Vegas odds this thing gets a trilogy? :lol:

[Wildcat]

The odds of this getting at least 1 sequel are probably pretty good.

Even Street Fighter got another movie based on Chun Li. It was not a direct sequel but despite their reputation video game movies do seem to get more than just one. At least the more popular ones do.

[Leo656]

Legend of Chun-Li is either the worst f*cking movie I've ever seen, or the Ghostbusters reboot is.

I'd have to watch both of them again to be sure and that ain't happening.

[Wildcat]

Legend of Chun-Li is either the worst f*cking movie I've ever seen, or the Ghostbusters reboot is.

I'd have to watch both of them again to be sure and that ain't happening.Aww come on man.

I actually saw the Chun Li movie. It wasn’t very Street Fighter-like. That was the problem but anyway a lot of movies you wouldn’t think actually do get sequels or other movies.

I just looked it up and even House of the Dead got a sequel.

[TigerClaw]

Shadow would be another character to bring into a Sequel also. Since he's also very popular.

[DarkFell]

Hmm..
https://media.giphy.com/media/ufpEd7iokpyJq/giphy.gif
Or, we can have Tails in the movie.

[Papenbrook]

For once, I would like for this flick to be Solo-Sonico.

[Candy Kappa]

Sonico? That's not the blue hedgehog :lol:

https://www.anime-planet.com/images/characters/super-sonico-48365.jpg

[Sumac]

I'd watch Sonico movie, instead of half-baked furry-bait stuff, like this project shapes to be.

[TigerClaw]

Hmm..
https://media.giphy.com/media/ufpEd7iokpyJq/giphy.gif
Or, we can have Tails in the movie.
I heard parts of the movie takes place on Sonic's World. There's a good chance we'll see Tails in that also.

[Leo656]

Sonic fans: "I hate modern Sonic games! They're so crammed with characters that Sonic barely even gets any focus!"

Also Sonic fans: "I hope the Sonic movie has all the characters people constantly whine about from the games! That'll be great!"

I notice things. :trazz::trazz::trazz:

[drgon78]

Tails was always my favorite since the second game but there was some interesting characters from the animated series from the 90's.

[Wildcat]

I like the modern Sonic games. Have not played Forces yet.

Since it’s the first movie it might be better to only have 1 or 2 other characters. As in his friends. So...Tails and Knuckles. Maybe Amy Rose. I’m assuming Tails will appear to some extent. I’d be cool if he used his Tornado plane.

One thing people seem to be overlooking are the movie toys that are bound to
go along with it. Some toy makers might already have all the designs since they need them in advance.

Someone one on another forum said they wanted Sonic The Movie: The Game. Like they did with Street Fighter. :lol: That would funny.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

On the contrary, this franchise has been a joke for a very long time now, & if anything, their Twitter is helping by having a degree of self awareness about the fact. I appreciate their levity, personally. The property itself, on a creative front, has been subject to countless terrible ideas (mixing with anime girls, weirdo edge-lord themes/characters, cut & paste character design) & don't even get me started on the fandom. So I think it's good that the marketing team doesn't take things too seriously & knows how to goof around with its following/appeal to internet culture.

It's all well and good to embrace mockery of your past failures if you're actually in a good position currently. But Sonic isn't. I'm not against the Sonic social media overall, but they can only do so much good when the Sonic series is still not respected, and the humor style they've chosen may not really be helping.

Sonic fans: "I hate modern Sonic games! They're so crammed with characters that Sonic barely even gets any focus!"

Also Sonic fans: "I hope the Sonic movie has all the characters people constantly whine about from the games! That'll be great!"

I notice things. :trazz::trazz::trazz:

Yeah, that's the unfortunate thing Sega has put themselves into.

Shadow would be another character to bring into a Sequel also. Since he's also very popular.

Too early to assume it'll get a sequel. And I'm well over Shadow at this point.

[TigerClaw]

I like the modern Sonic games. Have not played Forces yet.

Since it’s the first movie it might be better to only have 1 or 2 other characters. As in his friends. So...Tails and Knuckles. Maybe Amy Rose. I’m assuming Tails will appear to some extent. I’d be cool if he used his Tornado plane.

One thing people seem to be overlooking are the movie toys that are bound to
go along with it. Some toy makers might already have all the designs since they need them in advance.

Someone one on another forum said they wanted Sonic The Movie: The Game. Like they did with Street Fighter. :lol: That would funny.
Check out Sonic Forces Speed Battle. Its on Android and IOS and its Free to Play. It has online multiplayer races. and you unlock characters as you progress through it.

Besides the Toys. I can see some major shoes brand selling those Sonic Shoes.

[Sumac]

Sonic will never be in a good position - too much unhealthy baggage and its fandom is probably one of the most dearranged the world had ever seen.

Being self-aware is the only path they can take.

[TigerClaw]

Sonic will never be in a good position - too much unhealthy baggage and its fandom is probably one of the most dearranged the world had ever seen.

Being self-aware is the only path they can take.
I don't know. Sonic fans and TMNT fans are a lot in common. In terms of the properties not being taken seriously.

There are the sides that want Sonic The Hedgehog be taken seriously.

[Wildcat]

Check out Sonic Forces Speed Battle. Its on Android and IOS and its Free to Play. It has online multiplayer races. and you unlock characters as you progress through it.

Besides the Toys. I can see some major shoes brand selling those Sonic Shoes.Ya I’ve seen Speed Battle. I didn’t download in case it had spoilers to the console game.

I’ve just stuck with Sonic Dash. It’s consistently been updated in different ways. Just recently they added Flicky homes and environments. One is Sky Sanctuary.

I tried Dash 2: Boom and Jump Fever which were ok. Sonic Runners turned pretty hard after the first couple of bosses. I really wanted to play Runners Adventure but didn’t wanna pay for it.

I know it’s only a dollar but I’ve never paid for any app or premium in-app purchases.

[Sumac]

I don't know. Sonic fans and TMNT fans are a lot in common. In terms of the properties not being taken seriously.

There are the sides that want Sonic The Hedgehog be taken seriously.
I don't think so. TMNT fanbase seemingly short on furries and crazy personalities like that Sonichu creep.

And for TMNT has IDW comic books, which can be taken seriously.

[Andrew NDB]

Oh, there are plenty of TMNT fans that are super into furry stuff. Oodles. Since the early 2000s. Maybe before.

[TigerClaw]

Ya I’ve seen Speed Battle. I didn’t download in case it had spoilers to the console game.

I’ve just stuck with Sonic Dash. It’s consistently been updated in different ways. Just recently they added Flicky homes and environments. One is Sky Sanctuary.

I tried Dash 2: Boom and Jump Fever which were ok. Sonic Runners turned pretty hard after the first couple of bosses. I really wanted to play Runners Adventure but didn’t wanna pay for it.

I know it’s only a dollar but I’ve never paid for any app or premium in-app purchases.
There are no story spoilers for Speed Battle. Its basically a multiplayer race against other players online. There's no campaign. you just select the character and start the race. It will attempt to find players and you start the race. You win or lose points depending on well you do in the race.

I don't think so. TMNT fanbase seemingly short on furries and crazy personalities like that Sonichu creep.

And for TMNT has IDW comic books, which can be taken seriously.
IDW has the Sonic The Hedgehog comic books. and some of the writers on it were from the Archive Comics version back in the days. Those comics took Sonic seriously.

[Sumac]

Oh, there are plenty of TMNT fans that are super into furry stuff. Oodles. Since the early 2000s. Maybe before.
Never had this impression, but on the other hand I am not very knowledgeable about international TMNT fandom.

I can say that in Russia there are not much furries among TMNT fans.

[Leo656]

I think Putin says they don't have homosexuals over there, either. :trazz: I swear he did a better job clearing out the rabble than when Guliani had all the homeless people in Times Square secretly fed to the tigers at the Bronx Zoo. :lol:

I remember there used to be tons of females openly lusting after the TMNT on this forum back around 2004, but I imagine most of them jumped to Tumbler and DeviantArt so people would stop telling them to kill themselves and all that.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

*Ahem*

Leo, I think you forgot someone.....

(I would not call it lusting, exactly, but certainly had a "crush" of sorts.)

[Wildcat]

Come on, keep the discussion on this franchise...Sally Acorn is hot :D

I’d love see the SatAm/Comic characters in live action.

[Leo656]

Agreed, but that's not gonna happen.

Considering how long those characters stuck around, and how they generally have more fans than the secondary characters the games have introduced, it baffles me why they've been consistently relegated to "one step up from fanfic characters" by the Powers-That-Be.

That whole franchise and its fans are a total mess, though. Not even about the furry thing, which doesn't bother me; just the juvenile whining, demands, immaturity, "nobody knows what they want, except they wanna bitch and moan", etc. etc. etc.

[DarkFell]

SatAM was a beast in it's time. AoStH can even be tolerated in small doses. Underground was so/so despite Ben Hurst absolutely hating the show that he co-wrote alongside Pat Allee.

http://sonic.wikia.com/wiki/Ben_Hurst

Neither Sonic X nor Boom caught my interest.

A SatAM movie would probably do better as a totally animated CGI movie versus a live-action movie, but as Leo656 mentioned, SatAM seems to be pretty much done for the time being.

[Wildcat]

The SatAm and comic characters deserve to be put into the games too. I know there was one in development a long time ago. There’s footage on YouTube.

Actually Sally, and I think one other character, does appear in Sonic Spinball during a bonus game. I forgot exactly where.

I don’t want to say never to either because a lot of surprising things do happen but not anytime soon. I think I read something about Sega approving or not approving the comic characters to be part of the game universe. I’ll have to find it.

[Leo656]

It kills me, though; Archie/SatAM continuity is the only Sonic-verse with three-dimensional characters rather than one-dimensional cutouts. It's eternally marginalized why, exactly? Because of internet furries? So what, you're not getting rid of that, and as we've seen, the Sonic fandom just makes up their own self-insert characters to ship and fawn over, anyway. "We don't acknowledge the SatAM characters because too many people wanna nail the squirrel" seems like a really thin argument, to me. Sh*t, y'know how many Sally shirts, action figures and plush dolls they'd sell? Who cares if some of the audience is "creepy", it's not the job of the corporations to dictate the behavior of the customers, its their job to create and sell content. If anything they should probably lean into that market a little more, since those are the most vocal and "passionate" fans for several years now. Take a lesson from Hasbro and MLP: You can't ignore or get rid of the "creepy" fans, so just generate content that encourages them to spend more money and let everyone go home happy.

But furries aside, the SatAM side characters are still the only ones that have any depth, so it's altogether puzzling they don't factor into things much on the larger scale of Sonic stuff. They really should.
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It was indeed Sonic Spinball, Sally and the others appear when you rescue them during a Bonus game. They'd be absolutely perfect for a Sonic Heroes-style game, I'd love that. The amount of money that these people leave on the table for stupid reasons is mind-boggling.

[Wildcat]

Well I looked it up. As far as I can tell Sega does own the freedom fighters and could put them in if they wanted too.

It seems they don’t because it’s just the western-ization of Sonic and I guess they don’t consider them game-canon. It has nothing to do with furries. They created Rouge afterall :lol:

There’s no official statement or anything. Just discussions and wiki info. I don’t know how Sega actually feels about them. I’m sure they are well aware of thier popularity. That’s why I’d say they’ll probably appear in games...eventually.

There’s also some series of lawsuits over some original characters in the comics. I didn’t read it all. Seemed like a separate issue. Doesn’t matter anymore I guess since it moved to IDW.

There actually is a Sally plush that was made for some theme park attraction many years ago. There’s pics too.

[Leo656]

Oh, Jesus, that Ken Penders asshole. :roll: Yeah, basically anything that happened in the comic books since 1997 "didn't happen" because he created a bunch of the characters and situations and Archie Corporate forgot to close a loophole in his contract, so he sued them and somehow won the rights to all that stuff.

Generally, if you work for a comic book company and create a new character, like a Batman villain, you get paid but the company owns it, and they can keep using it without consulting you. If the character becomes really popular, sometimes they arrange for a little bit of extra compensation, but that's not the standard. It's called "work for hire"; coming up with ideas is part of your job, you're not automatically owed additional credit or compensation by default if some of them endure beyond your tenure with the company. Usually, when creators go to court over this, they lose, because of the contracts they signed in the beginning saying the publisher owns their work. But sometimes, as mentioned, they all sit down and bang out a bit of extra compensation if it's deemed fair.

Somehow, because of negligence on the part of Archie, Penders won everything and they had to reboot the entire comic, which is more or less why they're not publishing it anymore and IDW has it now. It's a real shame, as it's the most successful licensed comic book in history (although it was always hit-or-miss, quality-wise), but it had a really lame last few years because of the abrupt reboot and no solid execution when it came to starting over. It wasn't the same book everyone was reading since 1992; even the characters who remained had totally new personalities and backstories, so it really held no appeal for those readers, and it was never very new reader-friendly on a good day, either. So they just cancelled it without finishing the last story. Real bummer.

The root of it seemed to be Ken's insistence that he was one day going to publish his own ongoing story using the numerous Echidna characters he'd created for the Knuckles comics. But that's probably not going to come to anything on account of 1. Nobody cares about it, and 2. Everybody hates him now and doesn't want to support his work because he ruined "their" book. So all of this was basically for nothing, which is the biggest tragedy of it all.

[Wildcat]

Oh. Ya I really lost track of all the Archie stuff. I didn’t read the details but that does sound ridiculous. How can you want to make a spin-off based on characters and designs you never owned?

[LeotheLateBloomer]

The SatAm and comic characters deserve to be put into the games too. I know there was one in development a long time ago. There’s footage on YouTube.

Actually Sally, and I think one other character, does appear in Sonic Spinball during a bonus game. I forgot exactly where.

I don’t want to say never to either because a lot of surprising things do happen but not anytime soon. I think I read something about Sega approving or not approving the comic characters to be part of the game universe. I’ll have to find it.

I believe Paperbrook posted something in the "Sonic the Hedgehog" topicin the gaming section about Sega or Sonic Team reshuffling or something where SoA will be handling Sonic onward instead of Sonic Team. If it's true, we may get what we want. While I'm not as big on Satam as I used to be, I would not be against this. All of the other characters in recent years just don't do much and all becoming less interesting the more they appear for me. Probably should have Sally as a supporting character rather than a love interest, though.

Well I looked it up. As far as I can tell Sega does own the freedom fighters and could put them in if they wanted too.

Would you happen to have a link to where it says this? I am curious.

[Wildcat]

I believe Paperbrook posted something in the "Sonic the Hedgehog" topicin the gaming section about Sega or Sonic Team reshuffling or something where SoA will be handling Sonic onward instead of Sonic Team. If it's true, we may get what we want. While I'm not as big on Satam as I used to be, I would not be against this. All of the other characters in recent years just don't do much and all becoming less interesting the more they appear for me. Probably should have Sally as a supporting character rather than a love interest, though.

Would you happen to have a link to where it says this? I am curious.I just Googled Sega putting Sally or comic characters into Sonic games. There’s a few discussions that show up but no definitive answer.

Although I’ve always assumed Sega does own the freedom fighters. They were in cartoons and comics. Sally even predominantly appeared in their Sega World theme park attraction a long time ago.

[ZariusTwo]

Probably should have Sally as a supporting character rather than a love interest, though.

Sally is the only Sonic character to have been depicted as Sonics' wife in alternative futures, that'd be a bit jarring to just ignore that

[TigerClaw]

I hope the filmmakers took what was in the Sonic Bible and used it to explain some of the origins in the movie.
http://sonic.wikia.com/wiki/Sonic_Bible

It would be cool if they did Sonic's origin similar to what they had for the games originally. This origin was also shown in the comics.

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Here's an excerpt for the origins of Sonic and Robotnik.
Kintobor operates a lab under a local toxic waste dump, where he rescues poisoned and struggling Animals. Sonny befriends many of these animals before being appointed as Kintobor's assistant, at which point Kintobor starts teaching him about physics. In order to pass the time, Sonny uses a treadmill that Kintobor has constructed, but when he breaks the sound barrier (761 miles per hour), he inexplicably crosses all known limits of acceleration (and laws of physics) and starts running at the speed of light (186 thousand miles per second). Kintobor is alarmed and slows the treadmill, only to find that Sonny has been turned blue by the "Advanced Non-Concussive Cobalt Effect". Kintobor renames Sonny as "Sonic" due to his display of fast speed.

Sonic uses his new speed to help Kintobor with his work, and in the process, discovers the Reverse Quantum BioFormulator (RQBF), a machine composed entirely out of gold rings. Kintobor has used this machine to transmorph all the evil in the world into six emeralds, cut by Kintobor himself, which he has stored in a lead-lined cabinet. Kintobor says that the emeralds could eliminate all evil and pollution (if stabilized by the Gray Emerald) or else double the amount of evil in the world if they were to be disturbed by radiation. Just then, a wave of radiation penetrates the Earth's surface and affects the emeralds. The RQBF turns on and casts a beam of light on Kintobor, the emeralds and a half-eaten egg that Kintobor was eating. There is no explosion, but Kintobor is somehow transformed into the obese and evil Doctor Ivo Robotnik. Sonic grabs as many gold rings as he can, then escapes.
Kintobor is Robotnik spelled backwards.

[Leo656]

Oh. Ya I really lost track of all the Archie stuff. I didn’t read the details but that does sound ridiculous. How can you want to make a spin-off based on characters and designs you never owned?

Well that's the thing; in his mind, he did own them, and apparently a judge agreed.

I'm sure his spin-off strip "The Adventures of Several Hundred Echidnas Who Look Just Like Knuckles But For Legal Reasons Most Assuredly Are Not Knuckles" is gonna light the world on fire once it finally sees the light of day. I know people are chomping at the bit for that.


Kintobor is Robotnik spelled backwards.

Thank you, Mike Tenay and the TNA Impact announce team. :roll::trazz: (That one's for Zarius, nobody else is gonna get it.)

[ZariusTwo]

Thank you, Mike Tenay and the TNA Impact announce team. :roll::trazz: (That one's for Zarius, nobody else is gonna get it.)

Have the cameras caught them reading it off the script?

[Wildcat]

Well that's the thing; in his mind, he did own them, and apparently a judge agreed.

I'm sure his spin-off strip "The Adventures of Several Hundred Echidnas Who Look Just Like Knuckles But For Legal Reasons Most Assuredly Are Not Knuckles" is gonna light the world on fire once it finally sees the light of day. I know people are chomping at the bit for that.That made me laugh. It’s exactly what I was thinking. Using designs and characters for your own “original” comic would seem really weird. Like a knock-off.

Regardless of winning the case nobody would take it seriously. It’d be ok if it stayed within the Sonic universe but not as it’s own thing.

[Coola Yagami]

"The Adventures of Several Hundred Echidnas Who Look Just Like Knuckles But For Legal Reasons Most Assuredly Are Not Knuckles"


That made my day.

Apparently they were redrawn more humanoid with an art style more atrocious than in the Archie comics and they were still called Echidnas but it was misspelled in some weird drawn out way so they wouldn't quite be Echidnas.

I'm pretty sure the NotKnuckles stand in was called Knox. Subtle there Ken, very subtle.

[TigerClaw]

The official movie site for Japan recently open and it has a the first Poster. But it looks slightly different from the US poster.
https://sonic-movie.jp/

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DvaS9PUV4AAxy-Z.jpg

His snout can be seen in the JP Poster then on the US one.

[Papenbrook]

Now that I've had time to look at that poster, I ... don't think it's too bad.

This movie's still gonna bomb rock-hard, though.

EDIT:There's already MERCH??!!! (https://mobile.twitter.com/DrakeTheroux/status/1078047855250677760?p=v) (Never mind.)



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DvX-xZ2W0AAOlvM.jpg:large

[Papenbrook]

Looks like I've missed some details:

Apparently, there was some storyboarding ...



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DikBa0zUYAIzas_.jpg:large

... of Discount Sonic ... (https://mobile.twitter.com/DouglasEinar/status/1020348357494165504)




Also, one of the writers wrote this (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DwHUv66UUAAKVjA.jpg:large) ...

... Yeah, this movie's gonna be a financial failure. Jump off while you can, folks.

[The Deadman]

It wouldnt be a Sonic post without Papenbrook writing it off as a flop

[Coola Yagami]

He might not be wrong.... I mean short of the movie being an ACTUAL Sonic movie, as in an animated epic adventure that solely takes place in Sonic's world..... there's really no way they can make another Garfield/Smurfs/Chipmunks type CGI Sonic co-existing with normal real life people type movie without it being a flop of some sort.

Also I guess we can update the title of this thread to 2019 release date.

[Papenbrook]

It wouldnt be a Sonic post without Papenbrook writing it off as a flop

Don't blame me - blame Bootleg Sonic.

[Egon1982]

Other movies like Stuart Little, Alvin & the Chipmunks and Cats & Dogs can mix CGI animals with real life humans. So I reckon it'd be like that.

Or maybe just like Sonic 06.

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I don't mind the mix but Elise is such a bland and boring character tbh.

I can agree with that.

[Papenbrook]

Oh Lord. It looks like they're changing Sonic's signature speed (https://m.ign.com/articles/2018/12/10/sonic-the-hedgehog-movie-first-look-check-out-the-exclusive-official-poster) for this upcoming flick.

Here's some key quotes/highlights:


“The first thing you need to do is put limits on it. If you can do anything, nothing is special. For me, it’s always about keeping it grounded and keeping it realistic,” said Miller.



What ... in ... the ... F-


“We had some time to figure out the speed: What it looks like, what it feels like for a character to do that and how it relates to our world. It took a little trial and error, but that’s animation in figuring out what the effect looks like and what it does to the rest of the world around it. The speed changes over time because he evolves, because he can’t do everything at the beginning of the movie. It’s finding the visual language and figuring out how it’s going to evolve over time.”



:lol: Oh my God! Realistic?! :lol:

This film won't even break even. It's going to be a massive mega-flop.

[Leo656]

Nah, kids will dig it. It will probably be terrible, but little kids will love it because it's Sonic in a movie. And a few diehards who've waited their whole life to see it, and don't really care if it's any good. People with names like LigerJaw. :tgrin:

Also, over the years Sonic's speed has been "officially" listed at anywhere from as low as 767 MPH (at his "average" running speed) to around 4000 MPH, according to various game manuals. Furthermore, he's been explicitly described as traveling briefly at Light Speed in a few games, with assistance. So there's been described "limits" put in place historically already, but ultimately, he's always exactly as fast as the story needs him to be.

There's definitely gonna be a lot of problems with this movie, but I'unno if this is anything worth getting hung up on.

[ZariusTwo]

B...But he's gotta go fast:o

[Coola Yagami]

Oh Lord. It looks like they're changing Sonic's signature speed (https://m.ign.com/articles/2018/12/10/sonic-the-hedgehog-movie-first-look-check-out-the-exclusive-official-poster) for this upcoming flick.

Here's some key quotes/highlights:




What ... in ... the ... F-




:lol: Oh my God! Realistic?! :lol:

This film won't even break even. It's going to be a massive mega-flop.


I'm sure it means Sonic might learn to build up his speed in the movie. This could be an origin movie, or it could use some excuse that Earth physics mess with his speed.

I'm sure the realistic part means they'll make the world around him properly react to something that fast running around, so Sonic doesn't look like a cut out character photshopped in.

[Papenbrook]

So, there will be some merchandise that'll be based on (off) this film.



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dxn_DEPX4AQN0X0.jpg:large (https://mobile.twitter.com/DaPatMac/status/1088181525894574080?p=v)

It won't sell anything.

[TigerClaw]

So, there will be some merchandise that'll be based on (off) this film.



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dxn_DEPX4AQN0X0.jpg:large (https://mobile.twitter.com/DaPatMac/status/1088181525894574080?p=v)

It won't sell anything.


Ah so Toy Factory is a company that makes products and stuff toys for Amusement Parks. So we can expect a stuff toy of Movie Sonic sometime this year. I hope even get a leak of the toys this year.

[Wildcat]

Cool. Might confirm some other characters since it’s unlikely they’d only make Sonic and Eggman toys/plushies.

[Egon1982]

If this movie was done in the 90s, Jeffery Jones would had been Robotnik.

[TigerClaw]

If this movie was done in the 90s, Jeffery Jones would had been Robotnik.
Too bad he went on to become a registered sex offender.

[Papenbrook]

Small Update: There may be hope ...



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DxzzN_PV4AA5F2K.jpg:large

(... at least, design-wise (https://mobile.twitter.com/sonic_hedgehog/status/1089015132556906496?p=v) ...)

[TigerClaw]

Small Update: There may be hope ...



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DxzzN_PV4AA5F2K.jpg:large

(... at least, design-wise (https://mobile.twitter.com/sonic_hedgehog/status/1089015132556906496?p=v) ...)


Just because they read the feedback. Doesn't mean they are gonna change it.

[Papenbrook]

Then, they might as well delay the whole damn thing.

There isn't any point in making this film. Let it die.

[Kenwatanabesclone]

Then, they might as well delay the whole damn thing.

There isn't any point in making this film. Let it die.

What do you want? Video game sonic cut and pasted onto a live action scene? That would look stupid.

[Coola Yagami]

What do you want? Video game sonic cut and pasted onto a live action scene? That would look stupid.

Gee... almost like they should just make an animated movie instead, right?

[TigerClaw]

Then, they might as well delay the whole damn thing.

There isn't any point in making this film. Let it die.
They are not gonna delay the movie. When it comes out in November. We are just 10 months away from the release.

[TurtleTitan97]

What do you want? Video game sonic cut and pasted onto a live action scene? That would look stupid.

Would probably be a million times better than the CGI bastardization we're likely to end up with.

[Papenbrook]

They are not gonna delay the movie. When it comes out in November. We are just 10 months away from the release.


Then, may you let this movie die in its own fire.

Would probably be a million times better than the CGI bastardization we're likely to end up with.


Agreed.

[Kenwatanabesclone]

Gee... almost like they should just make an animated movie instead, right?

Agreed.

Would probably be a million times better than the CGI bastardization we're likely to end up with.

If you want a cheesy cartoon sonic, go watch the old cartoons. Typically you don’t reboot a franchise and just recycle the original version. It’s lazy, and in this case, would look goofy as hell.

[TurtleTitan97]

If you want a cheesy cartoon sonic, go watch the old cartoons. Typically you don’t reboot a franchise and just recycle the original version. It’s lazy, and in this case, would look goofy as hell.

Tell that to the Pokémon in the Detective Pikachu film. At least they actually look like they were torn straight from the games.

[Papenbrook]

If you want a cheesy cartoon sonic, go watch the old cartoons. Typically you don’t reboot a franchise and just recycle the original version. It’s lazy, and in this case, would look goofy as hell.


... even if it's unfaithful?

Also, ...



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DvYFKfTVYAAO7ZW.jpg:large (https://mobile.twitter.com/ItsBenOneWeek/status/1078054844429066240?p=v)

https://media1.tenor.com/images/ad2fac5d043375c5f3f5c9b1a8b0950c/tenor.gif?itemid=9101541 (https://tenor.com/view/sonic-sez-says-tails-after-gif-9101541)



Stop it, Paramount. Just ... ugh. :(

[Kenwatanabesclone]

Tell that to the Pokémon in the Detective Pikachu film. At least they actually look like they were torn straight from the games.

Those look really good. We haven’t even seen this sonic yet though.

[TurtleTitan97]

Those look really good. We haven’t even seen this sonic yet though.

True, but going by the teaser image it's obvious we're getting a radical new design that nothing the game version.

If Pokémon can be faithfully translated to live action while retaining their iconic designs from the games, then there's no reason the same couldn't be applied to Sonic.

[Papenbrook]

This will go down as one of the worst films of all time.

Let us count the days ...

-------

That reminds me ...

I'm worried about Schwartz's role in particular. He has a low-pitched voice and a limited range. He ... just doesn't seem like a good choice for Sonic.

He seems like a miscast. However, if the voice directing, scripting, and editing are workable, then I can easily see him being a decent voice actor.

EDIT: Now that I think about it, his Leo voice isn't very good either. (His voice [ low-pitched, heavy-inflected ] just doesn't fit the character.) :ohwell:

So, in summary (https://mobile.twitter.com/gamindamien/status/1094216322353938434?p=v):

I honestly don't see what the saw in Ben Schwartz for sonic, the guy usually plays a fumbling fool with false confidence... I’m not saying Ben Schwartz is a typecast actor, but Ben schwartz is a typecast actor.


Now I'm VERY nervous. :(

[TigerClaw]

That reminds me ...

I'm worried about Schwartz's role in particular. He has a low-pitched voice and a limited range. He ... just doesn't seem like a good choice for Sonic.

He seems like a miscast. However, if the voice directing, scripting, and editing are workable, then I can easily see him being a decent voice actor.
And he's the current voice of Leonardo. So you gotta get used to that too.

[Papenbrook]

And he's the current voice of Leonardo. So you gotta get used to that too.


I ... am used to that ... :ohwell:

I was just questioning his take on Sonic.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

And he's the current voice of Leonardo. So you gotta get used to that too.

If I had a dime for every time you point out things that we already know, I'd be rich.

[Autbot_Benz]

If I had a dime for every time you point out things that we already know, I'd be rich.

Seriously we need a mod to change his name from Tigerclaw to Captain Obvious

[TigerClaw]

I ... am used to that ... :ohwell:

I was just questioning his take on Sonic.
Maybe he'll be a good Sonic. Just gotta give it the benefit of the doubt on this one. I'm used to Jaleel White being Sonic. But the current voice actor from the Video Games is also good too.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Seriously we need a mod to change his name from Tigerclaw to Captain Obvious

Or Mr. Sherlock Shell for Brains.

I'm used to Jaleel White being Sonic.

He hasn't been Sonic for a long time now. We need to let go of this.

[TigerClaw]

He hasn't been Sonic for a long time now. We need to let go of this.
Nah. He'll always be my Sonic.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Nah. He'll always be my Sonic.

Nostalgia is a powerful tool.

[The Deadman]

Those look really good. We haven’t even seen this sonic yet though.

Still gotta complain though, even though there isn't a trailer.

[ZariusTwo]

Nah. He'll always be my Sonic.

First you say "no", then you get outta there.

[DarkFell]

^ Okay, that made me laugh. Thank you. :)

[Papenbrook]

So, according to one of the confirmed writers (https://mobile.twitter.com/Pat_Kc/status/1090818097081008130), this movie won't have any fart jokes.

(At least, I hope so ...)

[Leo656]

...I hadn't considered that there might be, and am kind of concerned about how they felt this needed specific confirmation. :lol:

[Papenbrook]

I guess many thought that this film would try "too hard" to appeal to children.

[The Deadman]

So, according to one of the confirmed writers (https://mobile.twitter.com/Pat_Kc/status/1090818097081008130), this movie won't have any fart jokes.

(At least, I hope so ...)

Would you fully boycott the film if they had fart jokes in them?

[ranger_scout]

So, according to one of the confirmed writers (https://mobile.twitter.com/Pat_Kc/status/1090818097081008130), this movie won't have any fart jokes.

(At least, I hope so ...)

That was something that was done a little too much in the recent TMNT films, so I'm glad that I won't be seeing that.

[TigerClaw]

So, according to one of the confirmed writers (https://mobile.twitter.com/Pat_Kc/status/1090818097081008130), this movie won't have any fart jokes.

(At least, I hope so ...)
That's good to know. Sonic never done any fart jokes in any of the games or TV shows. It would be completely out of character for Sonic to even do any kind of fart joke.

[Papenbrook]

So, apparently, they had "specially-customized" vests on the movie set.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dy01q6SUUAAn_LV.jpg:large (https://mobile.twitter.com/CaptainStitchD5/status/1093589301877649408?p=v)

Just .... ugh .....

[TurtleTitan97]

That's a really weird thing to get upset about, Pap....

[Kenwatanabesclone]

So, apparently, they had "specially-customized" vests on the movie set.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dy01q6SUUAAn_LV.jpg:large (https://mobile.twitter.com/CaptainStitchD5/status/1093589301877649408?p=v)

Just ... ugh.

So like, every franchise movie ever?

[FredWolfLeonardo]

That's a really weird thing to get upset about, Pap....

It's what she does.

[Papenbrook]

https://media.giphy.com/media/k96tUylCNvzVe/giphy.gif (https://giphy.com/gifs/sonic-the-hedgehog-k96tUylCNvzVe)

( * The GIF is not mine. * )

[The Deadman]

That's a really weird thing to get upset about, Pap....

Shes very anti-Sonic so expect it. Those vests look awesome, though.

[Papenbrook]

Shes very anti-Sonic so expect it. Those vests look awesome, though.

I don't hate Sonic™.

I just hate crap.

EDIT: Okay ... what the HELL are these?



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DmmRGc8VsAAvWtF.jpg:large (https://mobile.twitter.com/theDoorsgirl/status/1038520735369547776?p=v)


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DmYEX7YVsAA_lZ3.jpg:large (https://mobile.twitter.com/Kitsuoi1/status/1037521587128291328?p=v)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dna-3RlV4AAgpju.jpg:large (https://mobile.twitter.com/yvrshoots/status/1042230300305027072?p=v)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DmmMiwFV4AA9lI7.jpg:large (https://mobile.twitter.com/theDoorsgirl/status/1038515724975632384?p=v)

Just ... ugh ...



I swear to God... everything about this film just makes me ...

[Kenwatanabesclone]

Okay ... what the HELL is this?


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DmmRGc8VsAAvWtF.jpg:large (https://mobile.twitter.com/theDoorsgirl/status/1038520735369547776?p=v)


I swear ... everything about this film just makes me ...
I’m gonna take a wild guess and assume that that’s the Green Hills sheriff station.

[The Deadman]

I don't hate Sonic™.

I just hate crap.

Everything is crap then because I've seen nothing positive come from you about anything Sonic. Amazing how you can hate vests and the front of a sheriffs dept without any footage.

[Leo656]

It's all kinda questionable to me, too, but to be perfectly honest, my expectations for this have always been rather dim. They can only surprise me, at this point. There's no context to anything new that could sway my opinion either way.

And I think PapenKraken liked Sonic Mania? So there's that, I think.

[Prowler]

It's all kinda questionable to me, too, but to be perfectly honest, my expectations for this have always been rather dim. They can only surprise me, at this point. There's no context to anything new that could sway my opinion either way.

And I think PapenKraken liked Sonic Mania? So there's that, I think.

Tbh even a person who hates everything will like Sonic Mania. That game is pretty damn good. It picks the best elements from the classic Sonic games and puts them in one game.

[sdp]

Movie won't be horrible, movie will be mediocre but funny enough for kids and adult "nerds" will make videos about how it sucks for cheap views on their crappy youtube channel and the majority will just quote those "influencers" since they can't think on their own without even watching the movie. I don't think it'll be horrible or good, just somewhere in the middle but get tons of hate just for existing even though it's doing the same concept as Detective Pikachu.

[Leo656]

Tbh even a person who hates everything will like Sonic Mania. That game is pretty damn good. It picks the best elements from the classic Sonic games and puts them in one game.

I still gotta pick that up.

"Generations" was quite good. :)

[Papenbrook]

Hey, here he is! Here's the high-quality composer! (https://www.slashfilm.com/sonic-the-hedgehog-score/)

Maybe, just maybe, the film won't be this b-


Tom Holkenborg (aka Junkie XL), who composed the scores for films like Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice, Mad Max: Fury Road, and The Dark Tower, will compose the film’s music.



Umm ...

Anyway, in an interview with Film Music Magazine, Holkenborg had stated the following:


“Well, I can’t say too much about it, except for that I’m working on it. I can say it’s an incredibly funny movie. It’s really well put together, and it’s extremely exciting to work on it…for me, it’s new. It’s a movie that has a completely different character than any of the other movies that I’ve worked on, so that’s why I’m very excited.”



Um ... oh boy.

[Leo656]

His music is great. That's the first good news I've seen come out of this disaster. :lol:

[Kenwatanabesclone]

Hey, here he is! Here's the high-quality composer! (https://www.slashfilm.com/sonic-the-hedgehog-score/)

Maybe, just maybe, the film won't be this b-



Umm ...

Anyway, in an interview with Film Music Magazine, Holkenborg had stated the following:



Um ... oh boy.

A great musician is working on a film. Not only that, but he says it’s enjoyable. The fact that you’re just replying with “ugh” to everything that comes out of this film (without context, I might add) is ridiculous. Either You’re hating blindly or just trolling at this point.

[Papenbrook]

A great musician is working on a film. Not only that, but he says it’s enjoyable.


Of course, he has to say that. He doesn't want to get fired.

The fact that you’re just replying with “ugh” to everything that comes out of this film (without context, I might add) is ridiculous. Either You’re hating blindly or just trolling at this point.


I know.

It's just, oooh ... I see a train-wreck commin' ...

[Sumac]

A great musician is working on a film. Not only that, but he says it’s enjoyable. The fact that you’re just replying with “ugh” to everything that comes out of this film (without context, I might add) is ridiculous. Either You’re hating blindly or just trolling at this point.
Look at its posts.
You would get your answer. :lol:

No normal person would post like that.

[The Deadman]

A great musician is working on a film. Not only that, but he says it’s enjoyable. The fact that you’re just replying with “ugh” to everything that comes out of this film (without context, I might add) is ridiculous. Either You’re hating blindly or just trolling at this point.

Don't bother. This movie could get 100% ratings across the board and they'd hate it.

[Papenbrook]

Don't bother. This movie could get 100% ratings across the board and they'd hate it.


Um, ... no it won't.

Jeff Fowler, the film's director, has NEVER directed any movie before the Sonic Movie™. In other words, this is his OFFICIAL debut. (https://www.polygon.com/2018/2/20/17034202/sonic-the-hedgehog-live-action-movie-release-date)

( Apparently, they had since left production - before Paramount even bought the rights! So, I apologize for my harshness/rudeness, Mr. Robichaux and Mr. Susser. May you both have better days, and may you both land on your feet! (https://mobile.twitter.com/Gargamelsh/status/1113875895452753920?p=v) )

The writing of the screenplay authors, Patrick Casey, Josh Miller, and Oren Uziel, contains a hodgepodge of mediocrity, inferiority, and obscurity. Mr. Uziel in particular wrote only ONE (https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/22_jump_street) good film, and his writing wasn't even the reason it was good. (He wasn't the only one who wrote that film.)

Now, you see where my issues lie? Can you now see why I'm disappointed?

God, this is Sonic Forces™ all ... over ... again!

[Sumac]

Why the post above makes me feel like I am looking at the drug induced art?

All that is missing is some childish drawing of sun. Or something to that effect.

[Papenbrook]

I have just viewed this photo again.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dzb5_KAXQAAtAdv.jpg:large (https://mobile.twitter.com/SwellAlexander/status/1096344459489562624?p=v)



It's ... simply depressing. :(


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DzUf9WIV4AAxIhY.jpg:large (https://mobile.twitter.com/Kitsuoi1/status/1095817230892228608?p=v)

The gang's all here. Heh heh .....

[TurtleTitan97]

So are you just keep doing this Chicken Little routine of expressing doom over every minor thing until we get a trailer or what?

Because this point, your posts feel like spam and I'd actually like to see REAL content and not you whining over vests and set photos.

[Papenbrook]

You're right.

I'm sorry for my outbursts.

It's just that ... Sonic happens to be my favorite franchise. So, you could just imagine how I'm feeling about all of this.

I don't wanna see Sonikku like this. :(

[Leo656]

Sonic fans certainly are an... interesting bunch.

It's odd, I guess, that despite owning and beating most of the games, owning several DVD sets, and having several hundred of the comic books, I rarely self-describe as a "Sonic Fan".

...But then I'm reminded of the general behavior of Sonic fans, and I don't think it's odd anymore. :trazz:

I'm a little sad that this movie most likely won't be good, but as I've explained elsewhere, I never, ever expected a live-action Sonic movie would be. So I just kind of sigh and shake my head. "Live-action Sonic" isn't something anyone ever should have attempted in the first place. It's not "impossible" to pull off, just... well, mostly. Any sane person can see that the whole Sonic deal is, by definition, a "cartoon". Nothing about the Sonic-verse at all, from character designs to story to tone, can be translated into live-action without becoming a bad joke. Any live-action project can ONLY end up appealing to the least-demanding of young children, with everyone else left asking "Who is this even FOR?"

Just a bad idea, brought to life by those who feel that absolutely everything "needs" a live-action film. The truth is, no, things like this that are 90% doomed to fail from conception definitely do NOT need to be brought to life in such a fashion.

But it was never gonna be good to begin with, so... whatever. Over it.

[Wildcat]

Regardless of how this turns out the Sonic-verse is great for turning live action. Story wise there’s more than enough to use.

Just because we’re used to seeing the characters in cartoon form does not mean any “real life” design can not be suitable. They’re not stick figures.

The same could be said about the TMNT but that’s been proven wrong.

[Leo656]

TMNT is a story built on drama, tragedy, and pathos, that was later watered down into cartoon format in order to sell toys to children.

Sonic the Hedgehog was created in a boardroom, via focus group, specifically to sell toys to children.

TMNT is essentially a story about outcasts trying to survive in a world that doesn't want them, and exploring what "family" means when there's nobody else like you.

Sonic is about a mad scientist who thinks he's either part robot or part egg, depending on who's holding the pen, and a main character who tries to fight toxic pollution by Running Fast, and collecting magical trinkets so he can Run Faster Some More.

They're only similar on the superficial "talking animals" level, everything else is entirely different. For one thing, we've at least seen (all of ONE time) that TMNT can work in live action without being a complete joke, if you focus on what it's actually about - "family", "outcasts", "cycle of violence", etc. Jury's still out on whether that works for Sonic as well. I say, "No, not at all, that's nuts."

I like Sonic a lot for what it is, but what it is, is a cartoon for young kids, and even the very best of the games, cartoons, and comics are NOT as great as some people claim they are/were. The depth and dramatic tension simply aren't there. "Eggman"? Magic rings and Emeralds? "Gotta go FASTER"? It's silly. It's for kids, all of it, every last bit. And that's Perfectly Fine, but there's almost certainly no "elevating the material" that can ever, EVER produce a Sonic film on par with the 1990 TMNT film.

The best any Sonic live-action movie could ever be, would be akin to one of the Chipmunks movies. And that looks almost exactly like what it's turning out to be. And that's to be expected, because again, you can't retrofit a Happy Meal Toy into goddamn Lord of the Rings, no matter how hard you try. It wasn't MADE for that. You can't turn it INTO that.

Like, for example, I love Speed Racer and I love the live action film. I say it all the time. I love the movie; still not sure it should have been made. I'M glad it exists, and it's exactly what it should have been, but most people seem to hate it, which has me thinking that maybe it just doesn't work. It's exactly "live action anime" and entirely faithful to the cartoon, but... maybe live-action anime isn't a thing people should try and do at all? It never, ever seems to work. COULD someone do a Speed Racer movie that's like, I'unno, in the vein of Tarantino's "Death Proof"? Sure, and that might be fun, but they absolutely couldn't do it without getting so far away from the cartoon that it just wouldn't be "Speed Racer" anymore. And that's not something I would want, either.

You can't make a "real" movie about Sonic without changing absolutely everything it was designed to be - which is a CARTOON. It's not comparable to TMNT because TMNT was originally designed to be something entirely different than what the cartoons bastardized it into, and the movie went back to that source material. Sonic's source material simply isn't solid enough to support anything but a kids' movie, and frankly, not a very good one.

Some things simply don't translate very well outside of their medium. That should be fine, except that some people really do feel like every idea deserves a budget and a release date, and that's not true. You CAN do anything, sure, but there's wisdom in knowing what NOT to do, as well.

Sonic can work as a good animated film, either traditional hand-drawn or CGI, and you can make it without treating it like a full-blown comedy or a farce, but you just can't present those characters, and that story, in live action as anything but a joke. The whole thing just completely crumbles in the translation. Movies have an entirely different level of "reality" and verisimilitude than games and animation do; what works for one doesn't work universally. You cant force it to.

This one looks like the Woody Woodpecker movie. That's as good as anyone can do with this material, and that's not very good at all. Again, I Like Sonic A Lot, but I'm very realistic about what works and what doesn't as far as trying to adapt it. Someone turning a decent video game series into a bad live-action film does the property NO favors whatsoever.

Video games shouldn't be made into movies. Cartoons shouldn't be made into movies. These things just don't work in translation. Not everything should be a movie. That's fine. There's no wisdom, grace, or dignity in trying to hammer the square peg into the round hole, just to say "We did it, I guess." With all the credibility problems the Sonic brand has suffered through over the last 15+ years, this not only feels completely unnecessary, it feels like they'd have to be completely oblivious to even attempt it.

I'm seriously wondering how many game-to-film or cartoon-to-film adaptations have to fail spectacularly, before people collectively admit that they just don't work, and stop insisting that they can? They "can" in the sense that, once every 30 years, you get "Mortal Kombat". The rest of the time - 99.999999% of the time - you get "Mortal Kombat: Annihilation". WHY do we insist that this stuff "works" when it doesn't? WHY do we want more Bad Movies, just because we like A Thing a lot?

It's ludicrous. Again, I'm not mad that a movie that could only turn out bad, looks like it's turning out very bad. I'm mad that people even want to try, when the Success/Failure Ratio is like 1:500. "But it can work!" Except no, it can't, and it doesn't. It Doesn't Work. It's been proven and re-proven. The "cartoon/video game into live action" formula Does NOT work. One or two examples that turned out "acceptable" doesn't change the broader point one bit.

Count me as one the Sonic fans who likes the character enough to NEVER want to suffer through stuff like this. Never asked for it, never wanted it, don't want it now, don't want it ever. It's not necessary, and it isn't gonna work.

The best we can hope for is that it doesn't actively cause more harm to a franchise that has already taken a serious beating in recent years.

[Wildcat]

Just because Sonic was made for kids or to compete with Mario does not somehow make him or his universe inferior. He’s still a heroic character that defends the world and his friends/family from evil. It’s the same difference to me.

I know you could say Mario should fit that same mold then, maybe, but I think Sonic is a little more on the serious side. Nothing against Mario though. I’d love a true Sonic and Mario crossover.

Anyway it’s really unfair to label Sonic as “too kiddy” to be thought of as a legitimate series. Especially on a TMNT board. Even before the Fred Wolf cartoon I’m sure some would have thought talking turtles transformed by ooze who learned martial arts was too kiddy.

Isn’t that the battle that most superheros or cartoons have fought to disprove? It’s totally unfair.

Sure video game movies are not known to be great but that’s not the characters fault. It’s whoever made the movies.

[Leo656]

Super-heroes are simply an updated retelling of the classic myths about ancient gods and titans of yore, which have been told and re-told for thousands of years. Their stories are fantastical but carry much greater depth. Anyone who can't see past the capes is myopic. They're not "kids stuff" fundamentally.

Comparatively, Sonic is a chili-dog obsessed rodent who can run fast, and Mario is a plumber who jumps on turtles.

Objectively, there's a world of difference between those things. And yes, they are "too kiddy" to translate into live action. They weren't created to exist in that space. They don't work in that space. They shouldn't be forced into that space. Once again, TMNT only worked as a live action film - and only worked ONE TIME as a live action film - because the film ignored most of the cartoon elements and focused almost entirely on the comics, which DID have verisimilitude , drama, and depth. As soon as they decided to make "live action cartoons" with the second one, the whole thing turned to junk and never recovered. You're actually proving MY point with your example.

It IS the material's fault. You can't just inject things like "drama" and "pathos" into stories where those things don't exist. And a live-action story without drama and pathos is a farce.

Sonic would be a very acceptable animated feature. A live action movie is a recipe for disaster, and the results should prove quite poor from the looks of it. It was true in 1993, and it's true today. It was a Bad Idea from conception. Not a single thing about Sonic gives any indication whatsoever that it would "work" outside of animation and video games.

Again, I've played 99% of the games, own about 90% of the DVDs, and have every Archie comic except for the last couple of years where I'm missing a few. Since I'm apparently a Big Fan... maybe you can tell me WHY I'm utterly convinced that this franchise needs to "stay in its lane"? What am I missing? I've seen all the material there is - and I enjoy it - but I STRONGLY maintain that it doesn't have the depth to support a live action project in any way, shape, or form.

It's not that I'm just a grouch, so what is it, then? One fan to another, could it be that maybe I'm just a little bit more objective than you are in realizing that certain things I like a lot only have very narrow chances for "crossover" appeal?

Even if I'm right - and I'm pretty sure I am - there's nothing wrong with that. Not everything that was designed as One Thing works when it's turned into Something Else.

I like Sonic. I'd continue to like it just as much without yet another pitiful live-action "adaptation" in a sea full of them. Better games with better stories than goddamn SONIC have tanked when they were forced to conform into these types of "experiments". If Mortal Kombat, Resident Evil, Assassin's Creed and Tomb Raider couldn't hack it - and they absolutely did NOT "hack it" - then something as "fluffy" and superficial as Sonic can't work in that medium, either. Mathematically, it doesn't work. Those stories HAD compelling elements and characters that didn't just appeal to children, and they still were all pretty lousy when they were chopped up into live action fare. It wasn't the filmmakers' fault completely; it's that these kinds of things DON'T TRANSLATE outside of their medium.

There's very little about Sonic that has any substance whatsoever, not enough to carry a live action film. I say that as a fan. I'm sorry we disagree, but there's not anything there to appeal to anyone except very young kids; everyone else is going to be sitting there in the theater grinding their teeth and rolling their eyes. Watch and see. And when it's over, everyone is going to regret this thing being made. Everyone.

Something like the Ratchet & Clank movie would have been a much, much, MUCH better idea to pursue. It might have actually turned out good, for one thing. The "rules" and restrictions for making a live action film just don't mesh with things like Sonic that are entirely cotton candy. It is what it is.

[Wildcat]

It’s so weird to see you say you’ve played most of the games, seen the shows and read the comic (you’ve certainly read more than me) but still relegate him to kiddy fare.

I know for sure from the ones I have the comics added depth, drama and pathos. They even managed to fit in the game universe with its tie-ins.

Even the games have added more depth. Not very heavy but it’s apparent. The personalities and overall themes are there. Even if they’re kinda cliche at times or simplified for younger audiences.

I didn’t mean Mario should be viewed as a superhero. That’s obviously different but I was talking about a game crossover.

However I think Sonic fits the term superhero very well because he/his universe is more serious. It’s not a fantasy world. It’s his planet or Earth that’s threatened to be enslaved. Plus all the supernatural elements.

[Sumac]

Video games shouldn't be made into movies. Cartoons shouldn't be made into movies.
LOL.
Just because most directors and writers incapable of handling such material well, doesn't mean that it can not be done.
You once again prove that you are lacking imagination and ability to think outside of the box.

[Leo656]

Some things don't play well in live action. History bears that as fact more often than not. Do the math.

[Papenbrook]

In all honesty, the moment that they revealed Sonic's design ( Hell, maybe even earlier than that ) was the moment that I knew it was going to suck, badly.

The behind-the-scenes photos only made things worse for me (and apparently, for ninety percent of others).

I'm sorry about intruding on someone's optimism circus, but I just have zero faith in this- at all.

[Leo656]

I'm sorry about intruding on someone's optimism circus, but I just have zero faith in this- at all.


I will use "Optimism Circus" in regular conversation from now on. But I will never, ever give you credit for it because nobody will ever take your word over mine.

Just FYI.

[Voltron]

Now I'm wondering what a pessimism circus would look like.

[Vegita-San]

Now I'm wondering what a pessimism circus would look like.

just look at the gloom and doom star wars fandom has become, thanks to the fact that it's tanking minute by minute due to bad mismanagement.

[Papenbrook]

Oh my God, this is even worse than I thought! (https://mobile.twitter.com/DreamcastGuy/status/1097187534357057537?p=v) :o

EDIT: Oh God, we're getting even CLOSER!!! (https://mobile.twitter.com/YearlingNose0/status/1097198258215141376) :o

[Leo656]

:lol:

I hope the Gangsta's Paradise thing is real. That really needs to be real. Every single thing just needs to be the complete wrong thing. That's great. :lol:

[Sumac]

Some things don't play well in live action. History bears that as fact more often than not. Do the math.
Math tells us that there were some successful adaptations of games and cartoons.
So...math is not on your side. :lol:

Oh my God, this is even worse than I thought! (https://mobile.twitter.com/DreamcastGuy/status/1097187534357057537?p=v) :o

EDIT: Oh God, we're getting even CLOSER!!! (https://mobile.twitter.com/YearlingNose0/status/1097198258215141376) :o
This post desperately needs more unicorns, sparks and more MORE colorful fonts.

[Leo656]

"Some" as in, what... three?

[Wildcat]

Mortal Kombat was the best. Even though I’m in the minority I’d even include MK Annihilation. Might seem cheesy but it was game accurate. I think the first 2 Tomb Raider movies were ok too. Have not seen the newest one.

Don’t know about Resident Evil. They went in a different direction right? I saw the first but don’t really remember it.

As for this leak, it might be true but I’m not taking a twitter post as any real form of reference to any trailer. What the heck was that other thing? A prank?

[Leo656]

Mortal Kombat was indeed a generous exception. It wasn't classic cinema, but it was extremely faithful (as much as could be allowed within the baffling PG-13 rating) while still being enjoyable enough for people who weren't familiar with it.

Too bad that doesn't happen more often.

[Wildcat]

About the rating, that was Doug Walkers problem with the movie. That it didn’t go full blown violent when that’s what made the video games popular.

It’s funny that never occurred to me til he mentioned it. I guess it’s odd but there was still plenty of fighting. It just wasn’t gory.

I understand why they didn’t do that even though it was well known that kids played the games. I still like both very much.

[Sumac]

"Some" as in, what... three?
So?

And why do you exclude comic books from the list? If anything, they are as much pain the ass to bring to the screen as cartoons and video games.

[Leo656]

Because there's less restriction in bringing something to life that existed first as a static image (or mere words on a page if it's a novel) vs. something that's already been "brought to life" in another form. You have a lot more freedom in how you interpret it, even if it's the same basic character or story.

When adapting a cartoon or a video game, there are tons more expectations that factor in. You expect the characters to look/sound/behave a certain way, the visuals to look a certain way, the music to sound a certain way, etc. The creator is more "boxed in" from the start.

It's a subtle distinction but an important one. Granted, there's an altogether different set of difficulties in adapting a comic or a novel versus a cartoon, but it's a *little* bit more wide open.

As far as "So?", I'm simply of a mind that if an idea fails to launch 99 times out of 100, then it's fair to say that - in GENERAL - that idea doesn't work. If people want to keep trying to make video game or cartoon movies that "work" in live action, that's their business and their money, but we're still waiting for even a single one that's better than "Alright, I guess". Seems like a waste of time to me, but again, it's not my money. If I were a movie producer with $100 million dollars, I'd never bet it on a live-action remake of a cartoon or a video game, just based on the history. Or a sitcom, for that matter; those don't work as films, either. :lol: But that's another story.

I feel that things like cartoon shows and video games can be much more faithfully adapted through animated films or CGI. It's a lot less restrictive, for one thing, both from a ratings perspective as well as what you can do story and effects-wise. Things that would be patently absurd in live action are much more acceptable in a different context. A CGI Sonic movie? That could be terrific. A live-action one? Ehhhh... too many things can misfire. I've always felt that way; even as a kid, I never thought a live-action film was the right way to go.

Good question, though.

[Prowler]

Video games, in particular, are quite hard to make a movie adaptation of. Especially if we're talking about a live action movie adaptation of a video game series with a cartoony art style like Mario or Sonic.

In video games the plot/story and the action flows in a very different way than in a movie or tv show. Remember that the player is the one who is playing the adventure, so the pace at what you play a game or how good you fats you are at beating it varies between different people and everyone has their own experience. Imagine a game you like and think of its story for a moment. In the case of Zelda games, some people can take a long time to beat each dungeon/temple, and that's also part of the experience. there's manga adaptations of several Zelda games, including Ocarina of Time, ALttP and MM; and lemme tell you, they're rather different from the games. For one thing, Link actually talks in them. Second, he barely spends any time in the actual dungeons. There's way more dialogue and the action is more brief. Ocarina of Time's manga was pretty decent for what it was an was faithful enough for the most part, but clearly is not as good as the game itself.

As for comic books, well, they also have different pacing. You can actually read a comic book that's under 100 pages rather fast. It's quite different drawing a fight scene than animating it. That's why you have anime like One Piece with a very slow pace. Because Toei has been animating one chapter per episode for ages now. A lot of episodes include still shots, flashbacks and recaps. This way they can stretch an entire 22 minute or so episode based on an 18-20 page manga chapter.

Back to movies based on videogames, the 1st ever Mortal Kombat movie was surprisingly good. I guess it also helps the fact that MK originally had digitised graphics of real life actors. usually when you make a lie action version of a cartoonish like game it's always awkward to convince yourself that the human beings playing Mario, Link, Lara Croft Ryu, etc. are actually Mario, Link, Lara Croft or Ryu. Feels like you're watching people cosplay instead. In MK, it wasn't odd to see it in live action form.

Mario was mediocre, but I think it would have been better rated if it had been an original work by itself and had not attached itself to the Super Mario brand. Seriously, change the names of the main characters and the villains, and replace the bob-omb with a generic bomb or grenade... suddenly the movie doesn't look so bad, does it? It's just a really poorly done adaptation.

Street Fighter's movie was bad, but in a so bad it's kinda funny way. :lol: I kinda enjoyed it for what it was when I was a kid tbh. Sure it's bad but whatever. I got no hatred for it.

Besides MK, I think DOA's movie was pretty alright for what it was. granted I've never played DOA, so maybe my opinion doesn't hold much water, but I found it ok for what it was.

[Leo656]

Mario was mediocre, but I think it would have been better rated if it had been an original work by itself and had not attached itself to the Super Mario brand. Seriously, change the names of the main characters and the villains, and replace the bob-omb with a generic bomb or grenade... suddenly the movie doesn't look so bad, does it? It's just a really poorly done adaptation.

Besides MK, I think DOA's movie was pretty alright for what it was. granted I've never played DOA, so maybe my opinion doesn't hold much water, but I found it ok for what it was.

- The Mario movie still looks like it cost about $20 to make, so... Yes? :lol:

- "DOA: Dead or Alive" is actually a very good example. It is, at the same time, 1. EXACTLY what a live-action interpretation of DOA should be, faithful to the games down to almost the last detail, but also 2. A terrible, terrible movie, with nearly no redeeming value for anyone who isn't "balls deep" into DOA.

My wife and I have played all the DOAs and even the beach volleyball games, so I can say from that perspective, it's very entertaining and faithful as hell. Should it exist? I don't know. I do know that nobody could do DOA any "better" in live action; like "Speed Racer", it's "perfect" at translating its source material. Change anything at all about the movie, and it's not "DOA" anymore. BUT, also like Speed Racer, if you're not a huge fan of the material, then it's just a very pretty misfire, with nothing to justify the bizarre visual and stylistic choices outside of, "Well, that's what _____ looks like." As "just a movie", DOA is pretty lousy. But it's also exactly what it "should" be. So... what to do?

My favorite memory of DOA was actually Nash telling me that they all had food poisoning and it was a miserable experience, but that Jaime Pressley's ass made the situation tolerable. :lol: Good stuff.

They also shot in in like a week, if that tells you anything. :lol:

[Prowler]

Funny you mention the DOA movie was a bad expereince for everyone involved. Bob Hoskins said the same thing about Super Mario's movie. I don't think in that case food poisoning was involved.

I guess it's no wonder those movies turned out the way they did...

[Leo656]

I think the greatest lesson of all from the Super Mario Bros. movie, is that you can't make a fantasy or sci-fi picture on a non-existent budget. I mean, the directors were beyond incompetent and there was no script - well, there was a script when all the actors signed on, but there WASN'T a script anymore by the time the cameras rolled - so that project was just riddled with problems. But even a great script and a masterful director couldn't have saved the movie from the fact that they shot it for zero money.

See also: Superman IV. Terrible script, lousy direction. But ultimately, it might have at least been watchable if they'd spent ANY money at all making it.

Moral of the story: If you're trying to make a live-action fantasy or sci-fi pic, and you're reduced to checking the couch cushions for loose change along the way, maybe you're not the right one(s) to attempt the project.

[Prowler]

Strange that it had such a low budget considering it was made at a time where Mario and Nintendo were still at the height of their popularity. You'd think they'd have put more effort into it.

[Leo656]

I'd have to read about it again - I just watched a video about it a few weeks ago, but I watch lots of stuff so it "fell out" - but as I recall, Nintendo washed their hands of the project fairly early on. They pretty much caught "buyer's remorse" before the ink was even dry on the contracts when they realized that what they'd signed off on had never been done before, and had a spectacularly high chance of failure.

"Plausible deniability". "We as an entity had NO involvement in that abysmal Super Mario Bros. movie" was their official line from the start. They maybe possibly could have gotten involved and forced it to go in a different direction, but they weren't interested in that. They more or less immediately just wanted to disown the project and move on from it.

[Papenbrook]

Oh ... my ... God ...


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dzutj5eU0AARbFz.jpg:large (https://mobile.twitter.com/rejectedjokes/status/1097661772880703489?p=v)




What the-

You have got to be kidding 'cause ... I don't even ...

[TurtleTitan97]

HE'S LITERALLY HOLDING A POPSICLE. THERE'S NOTHING TO BE UPSET ABOUT!!! :roll:

Honestly, you are such a drama queen. I can already imagine how much worse you'll react when they actually show the design.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

It definitely goes without saying that a Sonic CGI film (having seen the character in Ralph Breaks the Internet) would have been a better option. The idea of seeing a cartoon stylized hedgehog made into a live action film leaves me scratching my head. It'd be like doing a live-action take of DK, Kirby, Klonoa, or Pac-Man, just doesn't mesh well. I think Nintendo learned their lesson back in the 90s for trying that approach (though I understood why they did it since Mario's origins at the time were in question if we bring up stuff like the cartoons, Mario is Missing, etc.) and are instead trying again with a CG animated film coming soon.

I'm not overly loosing my sh*t over this like the user below but I'm also not going to give it the pass by believing it's okay to pull some Alvin and the Chipmunks, Yogi Bear, idea with a character that I'm passionate about. There's whiners and there's lemmings and then there's also.....people who've seen these types of films and know exactly what to expect.

Oh ... my ... God ...


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dzutj5eU0AARbFz.jpg:large (https://mobile.twitter.com/rejectedjokes/status/1097661772880703489?p=v)



What the-

Not even Cubed was this annoying about the turtles and nostrils.:tlol:

[Papenbrook]

I'm sorry .......

It's just ... why would he need to embarrass himself like that? What would he GAIN from posting that?!

[TurtleTitan97]

He's embarrassing himself....by posing....with ice cream? :neutral:

That's f**king stupid, Pap.

[Leo656]

It's why we can't have a woman be President. They're too often ruled by emotion.

You think this kinda meltdown is bad? Imagine Kraken in charge of "the football." YIKES. :trazz: :lol:

[Sumac]

HE'S LITERALLY HOLDING A POPSICLE. THERE'S NOTHING TO BE UPSET ABOUT!!! :roll:

Honestly, you are such a drama queen. I can already imagine how much worse you'll react when they actually show the design.
New Sonichu Guy in the making?

[Kenwatanabesclone]

Sigh.

———

[Leo656]

I have no idea who that is.

((Skims Wikipedia))

Hmm... no, definitely never saw him in anything... waitasec...

2018–present Rise of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Leonardo
(voice) Main role

Oh. Well that's a shame.

This production continues to bat 1.0, just from the wrong end. :lol:

[Wildcat]

About the design. Why are people ok with almost everything else pop culture has created but a live action Hedgehog is totally off the table? This is where the line is drawn?

The quality of the movies aside, designs of the character have actually been fair representations. Nobody can argue the chipmunks should have been kid sized humanoids. Turtles (Henson ones) Garfield, Yogi, Smurfs, Scooby etc...all turned out looking fine.

Even if Sonic turned out looking horrible, which I highly doubt, it’s one person’s or team’s interpretation.

Going full nerd for a second...if Sonic was real and landed on Earth would people just reject his existence because he’s not some Space Jam style animated entity?

[TurtleTitan97]

About the design. Why are people ok with almost everything else pop culture has created but a live action Hedgehog is totally off the table? This is where the line is drawn?

The quality of the movies aside, designs of the character have actually been fair representations. Nobody can argue the chipmunks should have been kid sized humanoids. Turtles (Henson ones) Garfield, Yogi, Smurfs, Scooby etc...all turned out looking fine.

Even if Sonic turned out looking horrible, which I highly doubt, it’s one person’s or team’s interpretation.

Going full nerd for a second...if Sonic was real and landed on Earth would people just reject his existence because he’s not some Space Jam style animated entity?

You're missing the point as usual. After the Detective Pikachu trailer dropped, people were hoping/expecting that they'd do the same thing to Sonic what was done to Pokemon: take the base design from the games and apply texure. If they had simply done that from the start, the majority of fans would have accepted it gladly. Sonic is essentially a fantasy creature, no one wants to see him or his universe grounded for the sake of realism.

[Wildcat]

You're missing the point as usual. After the Detective Pikachu trailer dropped, people were hoping/expecting that they'd do the same thing to Sonic what was done to Pokemon: take the base design from the games and apply texure. If they had simply done that from the start, the majority of fans would have accepted it gladly. Sonic is essentially a fantasy creature, no one wants to see him or his universe grounded for the sake of realism.Aside from the eye gap thing that they admitted they changed, the silhouette and bridge posters just showed some muscle added to his arms and legs. That’s literally the only difference between his cartoon version that was revealed to us. So nobody can really say they went too far from what was given to us.

Now the leaked picture where he’s on top of the cop car is probably close to what we’re getting. Nobody can truly think that’s horrible looking.

The fan edit posted here some pages back also looked good. They kept some mass to his body but just adding texture is nothing. Pikachu is 99% animal to begin with.

[TurtleTitan97]

Aside from the eye gap thing that they admitted they changed, the silhouette and bridge posters just showed some muscle added to his arms and legs. That’s literally the only difference between his cartoon version that was revealed to us. So nobody can really say they went too far from what was given to us.

You mean aside from the gloves and shoes which have been essential to the design since '91? Oh yeah, they've made some real minor changes./s


They kept some mass to his body but just adding texture is nothing. Pikachu is 99% animal to begin with.

You've been using that excuse since the beginning, and it's still as weak as ever. I bet if DP changed the designs of the Pokemon you'd be singing a different tune.

[Wildcat]

You mean aside from the gloves and shoes which have been essential to the design since '91? Oh yeah, they've made some real minor changes./sYou knew what I meant but the shoes are actually the only nitpick I can agree with. Just based on laces can untangle.

You've been using that excuse since the beginning, and it's still as weak as ever.because you keep bringing up Pikachu as the only reference for live action cartoon characters.

[TurtleTitan97]

because you keep bringing up Pikachu as the only reference for live action cartoon characters.

I keep bringing it up it the Pokemon in Detective Pikachu because they look as though they were torn straight from the games into our world. You have yet to provide one solid reason why the same couldn't have been applied to Sonic instead of having his design altered for the sake of "realism" when his design is just as fantastical as Pokemon.

[Wildcat]

I keep bringing it up it the Pokemon in Detective Pikachu because they look as though they were torn straight from the games into our world. You have yet to provide one solid reason why the same couldn't have been applied to Sonic instead of having his design altered for the sake of "realism" when his design is just as fantastical as Pokemon.His body needs some mass. Pikachu already has mass. Nothing about Pikachu’s body is too cartoon-ish to imagine on a real animal. Just adding texture to Sonic does nothing but make him furry.

https://i.postimg.cc/tJCNsJK5/8028204-A-5-AA8-43-D6-A3-F5-2-C68467-F000-B.jpg

This was the edit I was talking about. Even they clearly kept mass and structure to his body. They just altered it a bit. Oh and the gloves which he might get by the end of the movie.

[TigerClaw]

Ben Schwartz tweeted this yesterday. Could this be hinting at a Trailer this week?
https://twitter.com/rejectedjokes/status/1097661772880703489

Also the director responded to it. So who knows.
https://twitter.com/fowltown/status/1097667584579710977

[Prowler]

-snip-

Yeah, Sonic was always meant to be a product for kids. I don't need an elaborate plot or major cutscenes in Sonic games. I just want to play the game.

1. Robotnik and his robots steal yet again the chaos emeralds and abduct cute animals while they're at it
2. Game begins
3. Gotta go fast
4. Collect emeralds on the way
5. Beat Robotnik

That's all I ask for. Hence why I love the Mega Drive Sonic games and Sonic Mania.

I do agree that classic Sonic games are a tad overrated in retrospective, however. The very first Sonic game didn't age that well. Marble Zone and Labyrinth Zone aren't really fun zones or zones where you use your speed. It's kinda funny how speed was the thing Sonic has always been known for but the first game is quite platformy. You're also not supposed to run a lot in the Scrap Brain Zone. Too many hazards. Green Hill Zone and Starlight Zone are the two zones where you're "allowed" to go fast the most. Hell, the spin dash wasn't even a part of the game!

Tbh, Sonic was pretty much a game made to show off what the Mega Drive/Genesis could do in terms of speed in comparison to Super Nintendo. Hence the "blast processing" marketing slogan thing. The speed gimmick certainly is what made Sonic popular, but in 2019 it's a bit outdated. I mean, in games like F-Zero X and GX you could drive pretty fast. Wouldn't be surprised if there were more fast paced games out there either. Not to mention how Sonic looks quite faster in a 2D game than in a 3D one.

I'm not saying the Sonic games were bad, but they're not as good as the best 2D Mario, Mega man or Donkey Kong games are, imo. Super CastleVania IV and Shovel Knight are also superior games to any of the classic Sonic games, imo. BUT, Sonic games at their best are quite fun. Sonic 2, CD and Manai in particular are pretty fun to play. The problem with Sonic games is that the jump controls aren't as polished as they are in the other games I mentioned above. Timing your jumps in Marble Zone, Oi Ocean Zone, Spring Yard Zone, Casino Night Zone and Labyrinth Zone can be rather frustrating at times.

That being said, classic Sonic games are fun and I prefer Sonic 2 and Sonic Mania to Super CastleVania IV or Shovel Knight, despite those games being better games overall, in my opinion.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Yeah, Sonic was always meant to be a product for kids. I don't need an elaborate plot or major cutscenes in Sonic games. I just want to play the game.

1. Robotnik and his robots steal yet again the chaos emeralds and abduct cute animals while they're at it
2. Game begins
3. Gotta go fast
4. Collect emeralds on the way
5. Beat Robotnik

That's all I ask for. Hence why I love the Mega Drive Sonic games and Sonic Mania.

This user gets it!

[TigerClaw]

Yeah, Sonic was always meant to be a product for kids. I don't need an elaborate plot or major cutscenes in Sonic games. I just want to play the game.

1. Robotnik and his robots steal yet again the chaos emeralds and abduct cute animals while they're at it
2. Game begins
3. Gotta go fast
4. Collect emeralds on the way
5. Beat Robotnik

That's all I ask for. Hence why I love the Mega Drive Sonic games and Sonic Mania.

I do agree that classic Sonic games are a tad overrated in retrospective, however. The very first Sonic game didn't age that well. Marble Zone and Labyrinth Zone aren't really fun zones or zones where you use your speed. It's kinda funny how speed was the thing Sonic has always been known for but the first game is quite platformy. You're also not supposed to run a lot in the Scrap Brain Zone. Too many hazards. Green Hill Zone and Starlight Zone are the two zones where you're "allowed" to go fast the most. Hell, the spin dash wasn't even a part of the game!

Tbh, Sonic was pretty much a game made to show off what the Mega Drive/Genesis could do in terms of speed in comparison to Super Nintendo. Hence the "blast processing" marketing slogan thing. The speed gimmick certainly is what made Sonic popular, but in 2019 it's a bit outdated. I mean, in games like F-Zero X and GX you could drive pretty fast. Wouldn't be surprised if there were more fast paced games out there either. Not to mention how Sonic looks quite faster in a 2D game than in a 3D one.

I'm not saying the Sonic games were bad, but they're not as good as the best 2D Mario, Mega man or Donkey Kong games are, imo. Super CastleVania IV and Shovel Knight are also superior games to any of the classic Sonic games, imo. BUT, Sonic games at their best are quite fun. Sonic 2, CD and Manai in particular are pretty fun to play. The problem with Sonic games is that the jump controls aren't as polished as they are in the other games I mentioned above. Timing your jumps in Marble Zone, Oi Ocean Zone, Spring Yard Zone, Casino Night Zone and Labyrinth Zone can be rather frustrating at times.

That being said, classic Sonic games are fun and I prefer Sonic 2 and Sonic Mania to Super CastleVania IV or Shovel Knight, despite those games being better games overall, in my opinion.
That all changed when we got to Sonic Adventure 1 and 2. Then we had a pretty cool story and setting Sonic on Earth.

[The Deadman]

HE'S LITERALLY HOLDING A POPSICLE. THERE'S NOTHING TO BE UPSET ABOUT!!! :roll:

Honestly, you are such a drama queen. I can already imagine how much worse you'll react when they actually show the design.

I feel like she's trolling now at this point. Claims to be a Sonic fan but is flipping out over set pieces that show nothing and a picture of a dude holding an ice cream bar.

[DarkFell]

Well, I'm thinking of checking out of this thread for a while longer. Who's with me?

We can go someplace fun for a change.

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/EminentJadedHogget-max-1mb.gif

[LeotheLateBloomer]

I prefer Knotts but okay.:tgrin:

[Papenbrook]

Welp, it's official. (https://mobile.twitter.com/Pat_Kc/status/1041732022828326912?p=v)

Sonic's gettin' drunk. :(

[Powder]

There is literally nothing there to suggest that, you absolute goof.

[neatoman]

Welp, it's official. (https://mobile.twitter.com/Pat_Kc/status/1041732022828326912?p=v)

Sonic's gettin' drunk. :(

Shitfaced Sonic sounds amazing, if that really happens I have to watch this movie.
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/aim/images/8/86/Profile_picture_by_ask_drunk_sonic-d6d1iko.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20170320194627

[The Deadman]

Posted this in the other forum but it's relevant to anything Sonic
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[Sumac]

I never will never stop being amazed by the amount crazies Sonic attracts.
What is the secret of the blue hedgehog?

[Prowler]

I never will never stop being amazed by the amount crazies Sonic attracts.
What is the secret of the blue hedgehog?

That's something I've been wondering for about a decade now as well.

It's kinda strange when you think about it. Sonic was the only video game character who could rival Mario in popularity and notoriety at some point in time, and a lot of people who grew up gaming in the early-mid 90s still prefer the classic Sonic games to Mario games in general. Yet, nowadays Sonic is basically viewed as a former shell of himself and as kind of a joke alongside having a fanbase with a lot of furries and other weirdos. Granted most properties have lousy fandoms, but Sonic is among the ones with infamous fanbases. No one really talks smack about, let's say, the Mario or Zelda fandoms much, do they?

There's several factors to why Sonic fell so much since 1995 or so, but Sonic's fandom doesn't help the image of the property much either.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

I never will never stop being amazed by the amount crazies Sonic attracts.
What is the secret of the blue hedgehog?

Probably his friends. Their existence gives them reasons to create their own fan-fictions with them.

[Papenbrook]

I always thought Sonic was cute (in a non-romantic way), but I never wanted to MARRY him.

Anyways, I hope that this film flops (fails). I need a good Christmas present.

[Leo656]

Anyways, I hope that this film flops (fails). I need a good Christmas present.

At most stores you can obtain a modest-sized George Foreman Grill for under $30.

[Papenbrook]

Aw, look! Ben Schwartz still thinks that this film will be as good as the upcoming Detective Pikachu flick. (https://mobile.twitter.com/rejectedjokes/status/1100447090524581888?p=v)

:lol: Nice try, bro! It ain't happenin'! :lol:



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D0SNURoUUAAHThu.jpg:large (https://mobile.twitter.com/Kitsuoi1/status/1100159594477699072?p=v)

He's crying on the inside. :lol:



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Apparently, Dj2 Entertainment will assist with the film's production.

Guess what image they used to promote this film? (https://www.dj2entertainment.com/#/sonic/)

Yep, there will be no legs for this tiny heinie.

[TigerClaw]

Sonic's Movie Design for the Sonic The Hedgehog movie might have been leaked.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D02YSV_X4AAq3dE.jpg:large

[Papenbrook]

Oh dear GOD ...

[snake]

It looks so f*cking weird. Like they couldn’t figure out whether or not they wanted to comit to realistic or cartoon aesthetics. This thing is going to be interacting with real people in the film.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Sonic's Movie Design for the Sonic The Hedgehog movie might have been leaked.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D02YSV_X4AAq3dE.jpg:large

https://66.media.tumblr.com/c34eba6fd0134a7b8ff764ffac6da168/tumblr_pienyjYJV21rkqppq_1280.png

He's.. Beautiful.

[neatoman]

Sonic's Movie Design for the Sonic The Hedgehog movie might have been leaked.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D02YSV_X4AAq3dE.jpg:large

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/016/338/d73.jpg

Nah, but seriously, there's not much wrong with this. I feared it would look way more terrifying. It's still a little creepy that he seems to have white hands rather than gloves though.

[Leo656]

It looks so f*cking weird. Like they couldn’t figure out whether or not they wanted to comit to realistic or cartoon aesthetics. This thing is going to be interacting with real people in the film.

Word.

It's actually not as bad as I feared, but yeah. And the hands are weird, and why are his arms even blue? I know it's already been done in some cartoon show, but seriously, his arms aren't blue.

Could be worse, could be better. Still getting an "Alvin and the Chipmunks" vibe.

[TurtleTitan97]

Bwhahahaha!!! It's even worse than we imagined! :lol:

[TigerClaw]

Here's a description of Sonic's personality. Note that there's a typo on there.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D02lAXMX0AIZjwJ.png

[Leo656]

If one of his fans from Tumblr wrote it, then no, it's not a typo. :trazz:

[TigerClaw]

Another image has been revealed. Here's a full body shot of Sonic.

http://www.tssznews.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Mc1eUrLX.jpeg

[oldmanwinters]

Lol, it's spot on!
https://i.imgur.com/Oy1ywmAl.jpg

[Jester]

I wonder how many Sonic fans are gonna burn their Nikes.

[RaphaelinSTL]

hahahahahahahaha. Oh boy, here we go.

I actually don't hate it. I wonder how it'll look in motion though. I don't mind the eyes as much, but I guess I am a little weirded out that they switched the white gloves to be fur.

Still ... this is a million times better than what Michael Bay's team came up with for those horrible first two Platinum Dunes TMNT films.

[Turo602]

Still ... this is a million times better than what Michael Bay's team came up with for those horrible first two Platinum Dunes TMNT films.

Nah, it's on par. They look like they could crossover in the MCU. The Molested Cinematic Universe.

[Leo656]

Were gloves REALLY that hard to animate in CGI? That's the only thing I can think of for such an odd choice. Like how every time they do a Superman movie, they swear they can't put the yellow S Shield on his cape anymore because "It's impossible to animate properly in CGI" (to which I reply, "It's a CAPE, how hard can your job possibly be you pissant", but that's a whole other story).

I mean, if they can go to the trouble of animating every single spine on his body, they can give homeboy some gloves.

[RaphaelinSTL]

Nah, it's on par. They look like they could crossover in the MCU. The Molested Cinematic Universe.

Ha! Funny, but not really. I still feel like there's Sonic in there as a whole as opposed to the horrifying offspring of the Goombas from the Super Mario Bros. movie and Shrek that Bay's TMNT turned out to be.

And I guess I'll also retract that it's a "million times better" ... it's not really the greatest thing in the world, but I'd rather see a movie with THIS Sonic as opposed to ever seeing those Teenage Mutant Ninja Travesties again.

[TigerClaw]

Lol, it's spot on!
https://i.imgur.com/Oy1ywmAl.jpg
That Sonic pose looks like this one. Its from Sonic 06.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D02YYkfX4AAcCKl.jpg

[Turo602]

Ha! Funny, but not really. I still feel like there's Sonic in there as a whole as opposed to the horrifying offspring of the Goombas from the Super Mario Bros. movie and Shrek that Bay's TMNT turned out to be.

And I guess I'll also retract that it's a "million times better" ... it's not really the greatest thing in the world, but I'd rather see a movie with THIS Sonic as opposed to ever seeing those Teenage Mutant Ninja Travesties again.

As sh*tty as those turtles looked, they still "looked like" the Ninja Turtles. This is no different. They're both sh*t and I'd rather not spend money on either of them.

[TurtleTitan97]

Well it looks like someone's a fan: https://twitter.com/KenPenders/status/1102731557008158720

[Leo656]

Iron Sheik say:
"FACK jabroni Penders! He ruin the Sonic worse than the raisin-balls Justin Bieber. F*ck him to death forever and have a good day."

Hard to argue with that.

[sdp]

Looks like Detective Pikachu and yet the internet loves detective pikachu's style but hates live action sonic. Hip-hopcracy.

[TurtleTitan97]

Looks like Detective Pikachu and yet the internet loves detective pikachu's style but hates live action sonic. Hip-hopcracy.

Not it doesn't. The Pokemon in Detective Pikachu look incredibly accurate to their video game designs, with the only major difference being they have texture. That's part of the major reason its gotten such a positive response.

This Bootleg Sonic doesn't even resemble the modern design.

[Autbot_Benz]

I guess I haven't missed you know who's Triggered meltdown of the new design yet ? :lol:

[Sumac]

This looks horrible.

It's like some kind of half-cartoonish mutant. It would have been OK for low budget F grade trash, but for what is supposed to be BIG VIDEO GAME movie, it's pathetic.

[Wildcat]

I already expected him to look fine but he actually looks better than I thought. I like how they added white fur in between his eyes to kinda of have the traditional gap look.

Anyone trashing it decided to hate it no matter what. Plain and simple. Nobody can genuinely and honestly say it’s a bad or messed up design.

The gloves could have easily been included but I would not be surprised if gets them during the movie.

Only complaint I have are the shoes since it’s literally the only thing that translates perfectly from cartoon to live action. It’s ok just an odd choice.

[TurtleTitan97]

Nobody can genuinely and honestly say it’s a bad or messed up design.


It's a bad and messed up design.

How's that? :D

[Roseangelo]

Looks like Detective Pikachu and yet the internet loves detective pikachu's style but hates live action sonic. Hip-hopcracy.

Detective Pikachu looks like Pikachu. Sonic just looks like a guy wearing a furry suit.

[snake]

Looks like Detective Pikachu and yet the internet loves detective pikachu's style but hates live action sonic. Hip-hopcracy.

I'm genuinely surprised at the positive reaction Detective Pikachu is getting, design-wise. I think a lot of the Pokemon look genuinely awful (Charizard), but for all of the sh*tty looking Pokemon, they at least made Pikachu himself pleasing to look at. He's actually cute, like he's supposed to be. They got the main and most important Pokemon right, and that's more than this movie can seem to accomplish.

[Wildcat]

It's a bad and messed up design.

How's that? :DI said genuinely and honestly. ;)

[TurtleTitan97]

I said genuinely and honestly. ;)

Are you calling me a liar?

[Skinrash]

How long before someone on deviantart draws fetish art of the new design?

[snake]

Ha ha. That's a new one, oh damn.

[The Deadman]

So does this mean we're getting a trailer soon?

[Allio]

Looks like Detective Pikachu and yet the internet loves detective pikachu's style but hates live action sonic. Hip-hopcracy.

The worst Detective Pikachu looks is Jigglypuff and some off putting textures here and there, but what they do have is appealing and for me it kind of reminds me of Dengeki Pikachu.

This sonic design. They went too far into a different direction.

[Candy Kappa]

Sonic looks okay, but he'd be better with slightly bigger eyes, fixing some of the proportions and what the **** is up with giving him white hamd fur instead of gloves.

[Voltron]

I guess if you give him gloves, it begs the question: why doesn't he have pants?

[Candy Kappa]

Cause he's a cartoon animal and wearing shoes :lol: Donald Duck don't wear pants yet he got a har and jacket

[Voltron]

It's why I don't let my kids watch those perverted Disney cartoons, either. I mean, Mickey's wearing pants. Goofy is wearing pants. And then here comes Dong-ald Duck prancing about, forcing uncomfortable conversations concerning duck wangs in particular and wangs in general.

I mean, how am I supposed to make my kids ashamed of their bodies and terrified of sex when their cartoon characters are running around like it's the Summer of Love?

[Candy Kappa]

For all we know Pluto is just a dude taking Pet Play BDSM too far

[Voltron]

That's exactly what I told my therapist.

[Papenbrook]

As much as I like to rag on this movie, I ... just have to point something out.

These ... leaked images ... may not pinpoint to his final design.

These designs ...



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D02WztiX4AEE7Ga.jpg:large (https://mobile.twitter.com/tssznews/status/1102703313907314689?p=v)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D05JWSZWsAIdwZX.jpg:large (https://mobile.twitter.com/AndreTelevise/status/1102899611960860673?p=v)




... do not resemble what Neal H. Moritz have given us ( well, from the outlet of IGN, at least ... )



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dzb5_KAXQAAtAdv.jpg:large (https://mobile.twitter.com/SwellAlexander/status/1096344459489562624?p=v)




The quills are too thick/voluminous ( and seem to resemble his game-counterpart's quills, albeit a bit shorter ), the eyes are protruding outward ( like dots, almost ... ), the ears are pointer-looking, the body looks smaller, his head looks way bigger, and he seems to have a stockier, but nonetheless leaner, build.

( Plus, I don't think he's wearing Nike's ... )



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DvYFKfTVYAAO7ZW.jpg:large (https://mobile.twitter.com/ItsBenOneWeek/status/1078054844429066240?p=v)





Like I said, as much as I wish for this film's slow, cruel death, we have to wait for the final reveal ...

( I can't believe I just wrote a letter of defense for Paramount Pictures, but here I am ... )

[oldmanwinters]

Well it looks like someone's a fan: https://twitter.com/KenPenders/status/1102731557008158720

Man, the comments are savage and hilarious.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

As much as I like to rag on this movie, I ... just have to point something out.

These ... leaked images ... may not pinpoint to his final design.

These designs ...



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D02WztiX4AEE7Ga.jpg:large (https://mobile.twitter.com/tssznews/status/1102703313907314689?p=v)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D05JWSZWsAIdwZX.jpg:large (https://mobile.twitter.com/AndreTelevise/status/1102899611960860673?p=v)




... do not resemble what Neal H. Moritz have given us ( well, from the outlet of IGN, at least ... )



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dzb5_KAXQAAtAdv.jpg:large (https://mobile.twitter.com/SwellAlexander/status/1096344459489562624?p=v)




The quills are too thick/voluminous ( and seem to resemble his game-counterpart's quills, albeit a bit shorter ), the eyes are protruding outward ( like dots, almost ... ), the ears are pointer-looking, the body looks smaller, his head looks way bigger, and he seems to have a stockier, but nonetheless leaner, build.

( Plus, I don't think he's wearing Nike's ... )



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DvYFKfTVYAAO7ZW.jpg:large (https://mobile.twitter.com/ItsBenOneWeek/status/1078054844429066240?p=v)





Like I said, as much as I wish for this film's slow, cruel death, we have to wait for the final reveal ...

( I can't believe I just wrote a letter of defense for Paramount Pictures, but here I am ... )

You should be the posterchild of Sonic fans everywhere.

If this is indeed the design for him, then it's definitely not as bad as I thought it would be but I definitely think the eyes could be a lot bigger (get sort of a Yogi Bear look to it) but that's pretty obvious. I mean, the design for that short film in 2012 with Jaleel White voicing the character had a design that they could've based it off of. But that's Hollywood for ya. *Shrugs*

[Allio]

Well it looks like someone's a fan: https://twitter.com/KenPenders/status/1102731557008158720
Well if he likes it I know my stance

[sdp]

I will like this movie

[Papenbrook]

A third render has been leaked !!!



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D0_WfvjXQAAs1X0.jpg:large (https://mobile.twitter.com/Tracker_TD/status/1103336279922671616?p=v)

[oldmanwinters]

This randomly popped into my head just now. If they put this in the movie, I'll forgive just about any other transgressions:
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[TigerClaw]

I love Double Toasted's reaction to the Movie Sonic leaked images.

LL0S-GIrq-Y

They rip on the fans complaining about it.

[TigerClaw]

When you look at it. This is really just a natural progression for Sonic.

https://i.imgur.com/XbruFdp.jpg

[Turo602]

When you look at it. This is really just a natural progression for Sonic.

https://i.imgur.com/XbruFdp.jpg

BwSts2s4ba4

[Candy Kappa]

Honestly, the more more I look at the movie design, the more it annoys me

[TurtleTitan97]

When you look at it. This is really just a natural progression for Sonic.

https://i.imgur.com/XbruFdp.jpg

:|

That's f**king stupid, TC.

[Papenbrook]

Whatever the case may be, Ben Schwartz is gonna have a tough time selling himself as the voice of ... THAT THING.

I wish him unluck.

[Leo656]

I love Double Toasted's reaction to the Movie Sonic leaked images.

LL0S-GIrq-Y

They rip on the fans complaining about it.


When you look at it. This is really just a natural progression for Sonic.

https://i.imgur.com/XbruFdp.jpg

fslVUNDCJIU

Yeah, attacking the audience for their genuine feelings is a wonderful way to endear themselves to people and generate interest. :roll:

I'm sure Hollywood loves you, TC. I've always said, the biggest problem with the world today is that not enough people just love anything that's put in front of them, like infants playing with their Dad's car keys or adding to their Booger Wall.

[Wildcat]

I thought of something about the shoes.

Maybe he actually does have his iconic shoes but they’re damaged when he gets to earth. The ones being shown are Nike so it could be that the cop buys him a new pair.

It’s safe to assume Nike does not exist on his planet. So why would arrive wearing an earth brand?

[Leo656]

I congratulate you for putting far more thought into it than anyone who's being paid big money to actually make this movie. Kudos. :trazz:

[Wildcat]

Are you saying they probably don’t give an explanation?

I understand they gave him Nikes for real life marketing but it would not make sense for him to already have them in the story.

[Leo656]

I don't think a lot of things about this movie are going to make sense, and I don't think they care about that at all. Nor do I think anyone genuinely excited for the movie cares one bit, either.

I'm willing to bet you a box of Entenmann's soft-baked cookies that "It's a movie based on a video game, just roll with it man!" will be the beginning, middle, and end of anything resembling "logic".

Ask TigerClaw if he cares why Sonic's wearing Nikes and demanding an explanation. "THE ANSWER WILL SHOCK YOU!" :lol:

[Wildcat]

Well besides not making sense to already have Nikes I could seem them making a funny a scene out of it.

Like he tries on different pairs and cracks jokes about them not being his style. Something like that.

I guess it’s ok if they don’t address it but I would not be surprised if they actually do.

[Andrew NDB]

The lack of the sock thingies throws me off. It looks incomplete.

[Leo656]

Well besides not making sense to already have Nikes I could seem them making a funny a scene out of it.

Like he tries on different pairs and cracks jokes about them not being his style. Something like that.

I guess it’s ok if they don’t address it but I would not be surprised if they actually do.

If the filmmakers were at all interested in applying logic to things, they'd apply the "logic" that video game movies are 1. Terrible, and 2. Huge money-losers, Every Single Time, and thus they wouldn't be making this movie at all and we wouldn't be having these kinds of speculative conversations.

And if this movie wastes even one second of time on a "Sonic Trying On Shoes" montage as a way of explaining some lazy product placement, I'll EAT a f*cking shoe. Or at least force-feed one to the hack director.

"Nike Paid Us" would be your explanation. Same reason there was a giant Marlboro truck in Superman II, conveniently placed directly in Superman's path after being chucked like a shotput. There ARE no giant Marlboro-branded trailers driving the roads in real life, they ship their products in nondescript trailers like everyone else. SO, where'd this one come from? And where was it going, before Superman got smashed by it? OH, WAIT, I'm a dumbass, they just PAID someone to smear their logo feces across the screen and that's all there is to it? Well... I guess that's something. :lol:

Most times a cigar is just a cigar, brutha.

[Papenbrook]

This movie ... is just ...



https://circustalk.com/news/app/uploads/2016/10/2016_07_ringlingFORBES.gif (https://circustalk.com/news/circus-on-ice-how-the-billionaire-feld-family-is-reinventing-ringling-brothers/)

[Wildcat]

@Leo656, I have no problem if Nike wanted product placement. They have actually made real shoes that are very close looking to Sonic’s traditional ones.

I know a lot seem to be against product placement but I actually think it’s better for movies if they must.

Isn’t it better to see a real brand show up in a movie world than some silly made up one that’s clearly meant to be said-brand?

I’d rather see an iPhone instead of an ePhone. I think you know what I mean.

[Papenbrook]

It would suck even more if they did that.

The franchise is already enough of a laughingstock as is; Sega/ Paramount doesn't need to add "crappy placement products" to its list.

[Leo656]

Oh I hear you; I have no problem with product placement at all. It helps pay for the movie. Most people get pissy about it, but I'm fine with it. "Ermagerd, Superman and those bad guys just HAD to crash into an IHOP, f*cking terrible." Uhhhh, yeah, there's IHOPs everywhere ya nitz. That kinda thing doesn't bother me, although at times it's excessive, or just silly. Like "Amazing Spider-Man"; Peter Parker uses BING?! And like... NOT because it gets better porn results than Google (aka, "The ONLY reason anyone uses Bing, ever"), but as his default search engine? I call Shenanigans.

I'm just saying, it's silly to expect an "explanation" for something that doesn't really have or require one. I promise you, nobody actually making the movie expects you or anyone else to wonder why Sonic has Nike-branded sneakers despite Nike ostensibly not existing where he's from. They just expect you to go "Oh, COOL!", and for little kids to bug their parents for their own red Nike shoes because Sonic wears them. That's 100% all it is.

[Wildcat]

Ya thats funny about Bing. I still would not be surprised if the address the Nikes. If even just to have a shoe scene.

Unless Sonic gives some other explanation like the swish logo meaning something different to him and it’s just a coincidence.

Don’t really like that though. I’d prefer a shoe montage. :lol:

[Papenbrook]

I just wonder how the supporting actors ( James Marsden, Tika Sumpter, etc. ) will do.

If they don't do well, oh boy ...

[Leo656]

Marsden is generally pretty decent, but to be fair, I've never seen him pull the "Obvious bad movie but I want a bigger house and I'm too old to be in X-Men anymore" type of role before. This is a first for him, so it could go either way.

Let's just say I don't expect him to elevate the material.

I've never heard of anyone else who's in it, except for Carrey. He's always been terrible except when he was playing Ace Ventura and Andy Kaufman, and even Ace was horrible the second time around. So at least with him, we know what to expect.

[ProactiveMan]

I assume all the GameStops in Virginia are on amber alert.

[Papenbrook]

Eh. I've never been a fan of watching films, in cinema and out.

I'm just watching it for the fun of it all. You don't know how badly I want to anticipate it's ( very obviously poor ) performance.

It's like watching the sky fall. It's like watching the Earth explode. It's ... just something to witness.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Eh. I've never been a fan of watching films, in cinema and out.

I'm just watching it for the fun of it all. You don't know how badly I want to anticipate it's ( very obviously poor ) performance.

It's like watching the sky fall. It's like watching the Earth explode. It's ... just something to witness.

How would you react if the film became a critical and commercial success?

[TigerClaw]

I don't think a lot of things about this movie are going to make sense, and I don't think they care about that at all. Nor do I think anyone genuinely excited for the movie cares one bit, either.

I'm willing to bet you a box of Entenmann's soft-baked cookies that "It's a movie based on a video game, just roll with it man!" will be the beginning, middle, and end of anything resembling "logic".

Ask TigerClaw if he cares why Sonic's wearing Nikes and demanding an explanation. "THE ANSWER WILL SHOCK YOU!" :lol:
The Games or TV Shows never explain why Sonic has shoes. It was more an aesthetics thing. However the Sonic Bible does explain how he got the Shoes. But they never used anything from the Sonic Bible to explain Sonic and Eggman's origin.

As for the Produce Placement? I don't really care about what brands they use. Produce Placement does not make or break a movie. It doesn't really add anything to it other then aesthetics.

[TigerClaw]

This video sums up my feelings towards the Sonic Movie designs.

Da9OkDYN-tw

[Papenbrook]

How would you react if the film became a critical and commercial success?



It's won't; The film won't be well-received and that reception will affect its box-fice. It will then go on to become a commercial failure. ( Summarily, it won't have any legs to stand or run on. I can just ... see it. )

Then, I would be laughing out until my heart's content.

[drgon78]

You mean it will not be well received by the fandom, but it is clearly aimed at kids so it will more then likely make money.