Sonic the Hedgehog Live-Action/CGI Movie Targeting 2020 Release Date

[Leo656]

I agree. I think that like the Chipmunk movies, it will be terrible BUT still get high marks from the intended audience which does not know any better. It will sell a lot of toys and altogether do alright, mostly based on brand recognition. Like just about every other Sonic product. "It's not great, but... it's Sonic." That'll be enough. I don't think it'll do HUGE business but I think it'll do okay.

Fans and critics will be spitting fire but anyone under 10 will be too bedazzled by the idea of Sonic in a movie to care about anything else, and they'll probably see it twice.

The more I think about it, the more I think that it actually has a decent shot to be the most financially-successful video game movie so far, especially with the merchandising.

Huh. :ohwell:

Hang on a second, I'm gonna go spin some Monkees records to remind myself that there were once decent and good things in this world before it all went to sh*t.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

I think many people will lighten up after seeing the trailer, just like with the Detective Pikachu film. I highly doubt this is going to be the next Emoji Movie or something.

Of course I could be completely wrong.

[ZariusTwo]

I think many people will lighten up after seeing the trailer, just like with the Detective Pikachu film. I highly doubt this is going to be the next Emoji Movie or something.

Of course I could be completely wrong.

A lot of people who liked the DP games had faith in th movie from the get go as they recognised it as a unique and creative risk and appreciated the gamble. Sonic fans are amongst the most notoriously hard-to-please groups out there and haven't been satisfied by anything in the franchise for years unless it's by Ian Flynn

[FredWolfLeonardo]

A lot of people who liked the DP games had faith in th movie from the get go as they recognised it as a unique and creative risk and appreciated the gamble. Sonic fans are amongst the most notoriously hard-to-please groups out there and haven't been satisfied by anything in the franchise for years unless it's by Ian Flynn

Oh yes, you are right about that. Nothing will ever satisfy most hardcore Sonic fans.

I meant casuals in general. I could see them being more pleased with the film.

[TigerClaw]

A lot of people who liked the DP games had faith in th movie from the get go as they recognised it as a unique and creative risk and appreciated the gamble. Sonic fans are amongst the most notoriously hard-to-please groups out there and haven't been satisfied by anything in the franchise for years unless it's by Ian Flynn
The same can be said about TMNT fans. We been through this before with the recent movies and now Rise. The fanbase is split. those who like it. and those who do not. There are a growing number of fans that like these new designs. The ones that are complaining. Are complaining about minor details. Such as the eyes for example. Everything is about the eyes as well as the lack of gloves and different shoes. but everything else looks fine to me.

Sure Movie Sonic isn't wearing gloves and his hands are white. Big deal. What if his hands are actually white if he had taken off the gloves. Has anyone ever thought about that? This whole thing is silly to me. They are making an RL version of a cartoon character. and these fans want Sonic to look like the cartoon.

[Leo656]

everything always looks fine to me.

Fixed that for ya boss.

[Papenbrook]

You mean it will not be well received by the fandom, but it is clearly aimed at kids so it will more then likely make money.


Unless they hate it too, then it will fail.


I agree. I think that like the Chipmunk movies, it will be terrible BUT still get high marks from the intended audience which does not know any better. It will sell a lot of toys and altogether do alright, mostly based on brand recognition. Like just about every other Sonic product. "It's not great, but... it's Sonic." That'll be enough. I don't think it'll do HUGE business but I think it'll do okay.

Fans and critics will be spitting fire but anyone under 10 will be too bedazzled by the idea of Sonic in a movie to care about anything else, and they'll probably see it twice.

The more I think about it, the more I think that it actually has a decent shot to be the most financially-successful video game movie so far, especially with the merchandising.

Huh. :ohwell:

Hang on a second, I'm gonna go spin some Monkees records to remind myself that there were once decent and good things in this world before it all went to sh*t.


It will never be "okay".
It will never be "popular" with kids.
It will never even make a "decent" amount of money.

It will be a destined financial failure.
It will probably be the lowest grossing video game film of all time.

So, don't be too optimistic. (*Besides, Detective P. already has the that in the bag. *)


I think many people will lighten up after seeing the trailer, just like with the Detective Pikachu film. I highly doubt this is going to be the next Emoji Movie or something.

Of course I could be completely wrong.


You are wrong; It's general reception will be worse than that - something that not even the Emoji Movie will ever accomplish.


Oh yes, you are right about that. Nothing will ever satisfy most hardcore Sonic fans.

I meant casuals in general. I could see them being more pleased with the film.


Not even casual movie goers will want to view ... whatever the heck the producers/executives/etc. are planning.

[Galactus]

The same can be said about TMNT fans. We been through this before with the recent movies and now Rise. The fanbase is split. those who like it. and those who do not. There are a growing number of fans that like these new designs.

I think most Rise sympathizers defend the designs on principal rather than sincerely like them. I don't doubt there's a few that like the designs but does either group like them enough that if a Paramount exec came on here and gave them a choice between a live action movie with designs based on Rise or designs based on the 90s movies they'd choose the former?

This whole thing is silly to me. They are making an RL version of a cartoon character. and these fans want Sonic to look like the cartoon.

This is just a weird halfway between a cartoon look and a "realistic" one.

I appreciate that some people feel he can't just be cartoon in a real word setting (even though there's precedence for that in the 3D games) so went for a edgy, realistic look and panicked halfway and gave him a cartoon face.

People aren't going to like this comparison but Detective Pikachu gets it. The classic cartoon designs but with some texture to make them look tangible.

This isn't the worst thing in the world but you can see why people think think it's weird.

[Papenbrook]

Exactly, Galactus.

That's exactly why it'll flop. They ( the director(s), producers, and executives ) want to have their cake and eat it too.

[Leo656]

Unless they hate it too, then it will fail.

It will never be "okay".
It will never be "popular" with kids.
It will never even make a "decent" amount of money.

It will be a destined financial failure.
It will probably be the lowest grossing video game film of all time.

So, don't be too optimistic. (*Besides, Detective P. already has the that in the bag. *)


You are wrong; It's general reception will be worse than that - something that not even the Emoji Movie will ever accomplish.


Not even casual movie goers will want to view ... whatever the heck the producers/executives/etc. are planning.

I'd honestly love it if that were true, but I've seen what people are willing to swallow, especially kids. Nobody's standards are very high. It won't make "Avengers" money but it will make some.

...And I swear, the last time anyone used "optimist" in a sentence I was also part of, it was, like, "...And then he burned that guy alive behind the Sizzler for being an optimist, because it 'wasn't logical' or some sh*t like that." You're pretty funny.

[Papenbrook]

Oh, you're truer than you think. Sonic is not a well-known nor received property, and most people aren't gullible enough to give money to a franchise they don't know/ have interest in. ( *Plus, VdG films tend to under-perform/ have low expectations set for them.* )

For this particular film, it's like playing "Follow The Train-Wreck".

[Leo656]

But little kids like Sonic a lot, generally. And kids are the movie's audience. And kids have very low standards and poor taste. And they like to drag their parents with them to see bad movies like two or three times.

It's not at all hard to figure out how the movie could be terrible but still end at least making its budget back. Those lousy Chipmunks movies made money, and this is essentially like, a movie to fill that "void" with the audience.

I'm definitely not "rooting" for this movie, because I think the whole thing is a bad idea, but I'm just calling what I see. Like TMNT, it can be bad but still coast to a decent number based on brand recognition.

But hey, if it tanks, great. Maybe people will stop trying to make video game movies a "thing".

[snake]

You’re borderline special if you think this movie won’t make money on name recognition only. Some properties are literally too big to fail, especially if it has kid appeal- which Sonic has loads of.

[Papenbrook]

But little kids like Sonic a lot, generally. And kids are the movie's audience. And kids have very low standards and poor taste. And they like to drag their parents with them to see bad movies like two or three times.

It's not at all hard to figure out how the movie could be terrible but still end at least making its budget back. Those lousy Chipmunks movies made money, and this is essentially like, a movie to fill that "void" with the audience.

I'm definitely not "rooting" for this movie, because I think the whole thing is a bad idea, but I'm just calling what I see. Like TMNT, it can be bad but still coast to a decent number based on brand recognition.

But hey, if it tanks, great. Maybe people will stop trying to make video game movies a "thing".


But does the general public know who Sonic is? He doesn't exactly have a, say, Mario™/Pokémon™-level brand recognition. Plus, the new design might drive children/ teens away from it. ( It certainly drove the core fan-base away. :lol: ) So, I can't really fathom why anyone in particular would be excited for this film.

I really don't think children are gullible enough to fall for the "funny animal film(s)" shtick over and over again. Then again, I really don't want to think about the opposite.

But one thing's for certain - this film will be terrible, and it will be tanking.


You’re borderline special if you think this movie won’t make money on name recognition only. Some properties are literally too big to fail, especially if it has kid appeal- which Sonic has loads of.


Sonic hasn't had a best-selling game in ... how many years? His other branches ( cartoons, comics, clothing, etc. ) aren't any different. This isn't the nineties, anymore.

What makes you think that this movie will be different from any of this other recent flops, especially if it stars Bootleg Sonic?

As poorly run/managed as they are, this is literally Sega's last chance. They had two big hits ( The Infamous Mix of Sonic '06 and Sonic Boom: The Terrible Two ) that damaged not only their reputation, but Sonic's as well. They have lost A LOT of money/stock as a result of those two disasters. This movie will probably kill them off, both financially and socially. ( Not to mention this film arrives just in time for the 13th and 5th anniversary of the former and latter, respectively. That's ... not a good sign ... )

They get no more chances after this thing flops, hard.

[snake]

It’s a Sonic the Hedgehog movie. People typically have more incentive to see a movie rather than say, a game or cartoon. It’s an easier form of media to digest and requires far less time. Movies are also a social event, just because of the vast amount of people who end up seeing them. Comic book movies do so well because of name recognition, even if the comics themselves aren’t selling like they used to. I guarantee you this thing won’t flop if it’s advertised like the average blockbuster is. Even if it deserves to flop- which is entirely subjective- it’s still not going to flop. Name recognition can literally make or break a movie. Quality doesn’t mean sh*t in the current film atmosphere.

[Papenbrook]

Trust me, snake. I have hope in humanity; they will never have the incentive to see this film.

It will flop. I promise that it will.

[Leo656]

It's gonna be hilarious when it hits $200 million and you end up grinding all your teeth down to little nubs.

"Hope in humanity." :lol: ((Auto Mechanic's Voice)) "Well now, see HERE's yer problem..." :lol::lol::lol:

Kids are stupid and they like stupid things. I say again: $200 million, bare minimum.

[snake]

The average person does not care about f*cking Sonic the Hedgehog as much as you think they do. It's very much like the TMNT situation. People know of the old stuff- they liked the old stuff- they see a questionable movie come out, and they end up going to see it because the "integrity of the franchise" or "quality" doesn't mean sh*t to someone who hasn't cared about that property since they were a kid. If it's bad, they'll brush it off and say "WELP, NOTHING BEATS THE CLASSICS AMIRITE" (regardless of the actual quality of said classics- but that's besides the point). If it's good, they'll smile, say "WELP, NOTHING BEATS THE CLASSICS AMIRITE" and then forget about it two months later.

That's a real world mentality, and one that goes for most people.

[Papenbrook]

All three of the renders that have been released did not indicate the final design for Sonic. (http://www.tssznews.com/2019/03/08/the-3-sonic-renders-that-have-leaked-are-not-the-final-designs/)

[FredWolfLeonardo]

All three of the renders that have been released did not indicate the final design for Sonic. (http://www.tssznews.com/2019/03/08/the-3-sonic-renders-that-have-leaked-are-not-the-final-designs/)


The final render will in all likeliness look more polished.

Wouldn't be surprised if it looks as good as the Detective Pikachu designs when the final design is released.

[TigerClaw]

According to Tails Channel. The leaked were real. But got confirmation that they aren't the final designs.

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[Papenbrook]

It's gonna be hilarious when it hits $200 million and you end up grinding all your teeth down to little nubs.

"Hope in humanity." :lol: ((Auto Mechanic's Voice)) "Well now, see HERE's yer problem..." :lol::lol::lol:

Kids are stupid and they like stupid things. I say again: $200 million, bare minimum.


It will not hit $200 million; that's just being too generous.

If anything, it will earn about ... $0.

The average person does not care about f*cking Sonic the Hedgehog as much as you think they do. It's very much like the TMNT situation. People know of the old stuff- they liked the old stuff- they see a questionable movie come out, and they end up going to see it because the "integrity of the franchise" or "quality" doesn't mean sh*t to someone who hasn't cared about that property since they were a kid. If it's bad, they'll brush it off and say "WELP, NOTHING BEATS THE CLASSICS AMIRITE" (regardless of the actual quality of said classics- but that's besides the point). If it's good, they'll smile, say "WELP, NOTHING BEATS THE CLASSICS AMIRITE" and then forget about it two months later.

That's a real world mentality, and one that goes for most people.


They'll care enough to not give this film a single cent.

[snake]

Lol, good luck with that chief.

[Wildcat]

The most recent pic where’s he’s running does look like an early shot. So does the full body one imo.

I feel like the product illustrations are probably pretty close. I can’t see it being much different except maybe adding gloves :lol:

I think a lot of people are not realizing that his hands and feet are usually bigger. So seeing them realistically scaled down leaves the head to be the largest part, especially having spikes.

Once you get past that he looks fine.

[Papenbrook]

The most recent pic where’s he’s running does look like an early shot. So does the full body one imo.

I feel like the product illustrations are probably pretty close. I can’t see it being much different except maybe adding gloves :lol:



You are correct. (https://mobile.twitter.com/tssznews/status/1104107667386191872?p=v)


I think a lot of people are not realizing that his hands and feet are usually bigger. So seeing them realistically scaled down leaves the head to be the largest part, especially having spikes.

Once you get past that he looks fine.


Still, that's no excuse.

They should of just made him look exactly like his ( Modern ) game-counterpart. Now, he's doomed to failure.

[TigerClaw]

Take this with a grain of salt. But we can expect the Trailer real soon. And it will use Gangster's Paradise by Coolio.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/rumor-sonic-movie-trailer-description.104492/

[Wildcat]

This was already mentioned but context means a lot. I do not care if Gangstas Paradise is in it.

If true it’s probably something like...Tom cruises through a bad neighborhood - shots of people hanging out in the streets - music stops - Sonic reveals himself and cracks a one liner.

Anyway there’s toy listings available now. One is a Baby Sonic. To me this means there will probably be a flashback scene like they’ve done for the turtles. Maybe his first run.

[Papenbrook]

This was already mentioned but context means a lot. I do not care if Gangstas Paradise is in it.

If true it’s probably something like...Tom cruises through a bad neighborhood - shots of people hanging out in the streets - music stops - Sonic reveals himself and cracks a one liner.


That's ... terri-bad.

Anyway there’s toy listings available now. One is a Baby Sonic. To me this means there will probably be a flashback scene like they’ve done for the turtles. Maybe his first run.


Where and what is the source of your information?

[Papenbrook]

Please, just ... just tell me ....

Th-This c-can't be true. It ... just can't.






https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D1KTSNeXgAAOuCc.png:large (https://mobile.twitter.com/hillwesley21/status/1104106808736735233?p=v)

Oh (https://comicbook.com/gaming/2019/03/12/massive-sonic-the-hedgehog-live-action-movie-leak-story-details/) ......







This can't be happenin'. This REALLY - can't possibly - be happenin'.

:lol: This film is gonna flop SO hard. :lol:

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Please, just ... just tell me ....

Th-This c-can't be true. It ... just can't.






https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D1KTSNeXgAAOuCc.png:large (https://mobile.twitter.com/hillwesley21/status/1104106808736735233?p=v)

Oh (https://comicbook.com/gaming/2019/03/12/massive-sonic-the-hedgehog-live-action-movie-leak-story-details/) ......







This can't be happenin'. This REALLY - can't possibly - be happenin'.

:lol: This film is gonna flop SO hard. :lol:

This world is coming to an end.

[snake]

It sounds bland and uninteresting- not exactly terrible, but we’ll see. One thing I hate is the lack of other characters appearing because of this godawful “cinematic universe” line of thought. Oh, you want [basic thing]? Wait for the sequel! Then you’ll get the next [basic thing]!

[Papenbrook]

This world is coming to an end.


It sure is, buddy. :(

It sounds bland and uninteresting-


It is.

One thing I hate is the lack of other characters appearing because of this godawful “cinematic universe” line of thought. Oh, you want [basic thing]? Wait for the sequel! Then you’ll get the next [basic thing]!


Oh God ..., you're probably right about that. :(

[Leo656]

It sounds exactly like what I figured it would be. Blech.

I'm amending my guesstimate to $300 million. There's no way kids will avoid something that lousy. It's gonna be a big hit.

[Papenbrook]

It sounds exactly like what I figured it would be. Blech.

I'm amending my guesstimate to $300 million. There's no way kids will avoid something that lousy. It's gonna be a big hit.


Like I said, ... $0.

[Wildcat]

Only thing I do not really like is that Sonic grows up hidden on earth. I’d prefer he arrive recently, even if he had no previous connection to Robotnik.

I like him having a life outside of earth with friends before getting here. Traveling “zones” and such. So meeting Tails and others can’t really happen until he returns to his home planet. If it gets a sequel.

I do like the idea of the rings creating portals. Kinda like the original Special Zones. Probably where they got that from actually.

I kinda regret reading these leaks. Especially Robotnik being sent to another planet (Sonic’s home it sounds like) at the end.

I don’t normally read spoilers but it seemed like general stuff that I did not mind knowing. Some just caught me off guard.

[Papenbrook]

Um ... could you please ... place that comment inside the spoilers, Wildcat?

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Um ... could you maybe ... place that comment inside the spoilers, Wildcat?

You care about the spoilers of Sonic the Hedgehog 2019?

[Papenbrook]

You care about the spoilers of Sonic the Hedgehog 2019?


No, but he should still be courteous to those that might.

Edit: Thank you for being courteous, Wildcat.

[oldmanwinters]

Sonic's Nikes remind me of another shoe in an old Sony movie:
https://productplacementblog.com/movies/nike-red-shoes-worn-by-tobey-maguire-in-spider-man-2002/

[Papenbrook]

That they're even CONSIDERING making a plush of Sonic ..... as a BABY.

What?! Will Baby Sonic just bounce around on the big screen? Will he fart out his rings? Will he worship the owl?



Just, what the hell, Sega?!

[oldmanwinters]

That they're even CONSIDERING making a plush of Sonic ..... as a BABY.

What?! Will Baby Sonic just bounce around on the big screen? Will he fart out his rings? Will he worship the owl?



Just, what the hell, Sega?!

Well, there's always Baby Tails:
https://i.imgur.com/SnOXohF.jpg
:tlol:

[Papenbrook]

Sonic's Nikes remind me of another shoe in an old *Sony* movie:
https://productplacementblog.com/movies/nike-red-shoes-worn-by-tobey-maguire-in-spider-man-2002/

* Paramount ( Pictures ) *

... and he shouldn't need Nike® shoes in the first place.

[TigerClaw]

That they're even CONSIDERING making a plush of Sonic ..... as a BABY.

What?! Will Baby Sonic just bounce around on the big screen? Will he fart out his rings? Will he worship the owl?



Just, what the hell, Sega?!
We seen Sonic as a baby before. In Sonic Underground.

http://orig01.deviantart.net/0765/f/2014/333/2/c/sonic_undergound_queen_aleena_and_her_childeran_by _darkramiess-d8822hn.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/236x/7c/03/87/7c0387e480cf2cc4774f93d263cb1893--orcas-classic.jpg?b=t

[snake]

Why does that thing look so much like Chris Chan’s Sonic Totem?

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/XK6PceweUUw/maxresdefault.jpg

[Candy Kappa]

Why does that thing look so much like Chris Chan’s Sonic Totem?

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/XK6PceweUUw/maxresdefault.jpg

Thanks, I hate it

[TigerClaw]

Why does that thing look so much like Chris Chan’s Sonic Totem?

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/XK6PceweUUw/maxresdefault.jpg
I updated it with the proper images. as the first image wasn't Sonic.

[neatoman]

Why does that thing look so much like Chris Chan’s Sonic Totem?

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/XK6PceweUUw/maxresdefault.jpg

Oh Jesus. That's... Something. I was thinking of the Transformation video.

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[oldmanwinters]

* Paramount ( Pictures ) *


Huh. I actually wasn't aware that Paramount swooped it up from Sony in 2017. What a weird production history this movie has had thus far.

I guess this means the movie won't even be available digitally on MoviesAnywhere unless Paramount decides to join the Disney bandwagon.

[Papenbrook]

Huh. I actually wasn't aware that Paramount swooped it up from Sony in 2017. What a weird production history this movie has had thus far.

I guess this means the movie won't even be available digitally on MoviesAnywhere unless Paramount decides to join the Disney bandwagon.


It's for the best. :wink:

[TigerClaw]

Huh. I actually wasn't aware that Paramount swooped it up from Sony in 2017. What a weird production history this movie has had thus far.

I guess this means the movie won't even be available digitally on MoviesAnywhere unless Paramount decides to join the Disney bandwagon.
It will be in places such as Vudu.com

[Xav]

We seen Sonic as a baby before. In Sonic Underground.

http://orig01.deviantart.net/0765/f/2014/333/2/c/sonic_undergound_queen_aleena_and_her_childeran_by _darkramiess-d8822hn.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/236x/7c/03/87/7c0387e480cf2cc4774f93d263cb1893--orcas-classic.jpg?b=tAnd in Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog.

https://66.media.tumblr.com/a1c323c5187b5bebf319908a720da1a7/tumblr_inline_nfn1piBuhO1rzas5e.png

[Papenbrook]

Oh my God ....


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D1a3hd8WkAAjCJt.jpg:large (https://mobile.twitter.com/DaPatMac/status/1105272895989702657?p=v)



What the .....

[Allio]

Toys! Omg, what are they thinking!!!!!!!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!!!?!?!?!?!?!?!

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Toys! Omg, what are they thinking!!!!!!!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!!!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Don't worry, this film will make precisely $0!

[Papenbrook]

Don't worry, this film will make precisely $0!


Yes, it will! :D

[The Deadman]

You care about the spoilers of Sonic the Hedgehog 2019?

Well yeah, what else are they going to complain about?

[snake]

I've never seen someone more appalled and shocked by a marketing cycle than Paps.

[Leo656]

I've never seen someone more appalled and shocked by a marketing cycle than Paps.

Saxon = Joke Account.

WAIT, sorry... Gamefaqs flashback for a second... :lol:

[TigerClaw]

The Youtuber who claims to have seen the Trailer has finally posted a video with his thoughts on it. Take this with a grain of salt. It sounds positive.

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He originally posted that he saw the trailer and such. then many of the movie sites picked up on it and reported about this leaked Trailer. So today he finally posted a video with his thoughts on the footage he saw.

[Papenbrook]

Wait?!


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D1-KxlIW0AMzlhg.jpg:large (https://mobile.twitter.com/sonicparadise/status/1107756619889287168)

This THING has a child's novelization?!



LOL, what?!

* Flop hard, film, and fail! *

[TigerClaw]

Wait?!


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D1-KxlIW0AMzlhg.jpg:large (https://mobile.twitter.com/sonicparadise/status/1107756619889287168)

This thing has a child's novelization?!



LOL, what?!

* Flop hard, film, and fail! *
Amazon has a listing for Sonic the Hedgehog: The Official Movie Mad Libs
https://www.amazon.com/Sonic-Hedgehog-Official-Movie-Libs/dp/0593093046/ref=mp_s_a_1_5

[Papenbrook]

Oh my God ....

[Voltron]

They have junior novelizations for almost every movie that comes out anymore. Regardless of whether or not they're good. Is it so shocking that this film would have one as well?

If this thing tanks, they're still going to have a roll out of a bunch of crap for kids to buy. They have to recoup their losses somehow.

I'm waiting for the cereal. Or the spaghetti-O's tie in.

[Leo656]

Kraken = Joke Account

[FredWolfLeonardo]

If any characters from a Sonic universe were to appear in this, I'd want it to be Scratch and Grounder.

[The Deadman]

Wait?!


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D1-KxlIW0AMzlhg.jpg:large (https://mobile.twitter.com/sonicparadise/status/1107756619889287168)

This THING has a child's novelization?!



LOL, what?!

* Flop hard, film, and fail! *

Im inclined to believe you're either an idiot or just trying to get reactions out of people at this point. F*cking stop already.

[Leo656]

Two or more things can be true at once, sir.

[Coola Yagami]

If any characters from a Sonic universe were to appear in this, I'd want it to be Scratch and Grounder.

YES!

diez caracteres

[Papenbrook]

I'm sorry, guys.

It's just that ... I really hate that this film is coming to the theaters near me. I absolutely abhor its wasteful existence.

Here I am, and there it is.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

If any characters from a Sonic universe were to appear in this, I'd want it to be Scratch and Grounder.

I love those two but I prefer Orbot and Cubot.

I'm sorry, guys.

No you're not.

[The Deadman]

Amazing how a film can get so much hatred based on no footage and minor details nobody else would blink an eye at.

[Papenbrook]

By the way, are you able to edit the title of the thread, Deadman? ( Changing the year from "2018" to "2019"... ? )

It is one year off.

[The Deadman]

By the way, are you able to edit the title of the thread, Deadman? ( Changing the year from "2018" to "2019"... ? )

It is one year off.

No, I can change the title over top the post itself but it wont reflect the thread though.

[Papenbrook]

Well, that's okay. :)

I wonder why Sonic dons electrical shoes.

HUMONGOUS EDIT : Could we finally see a glimpse of Para-Movie Sonic? ( Apparently not. Shame .... ) (http://www.legionsofgotham.org/2019/03/diamond-select-toys-is-bringing.html?m=1)

[Papenbrook]

Here are Jaleel White's thoughts ... on the Sonic Movie.


b1wGNbuIyHU



He is way too optimistic about something like this ...

[FredWolfLeonardo]

If Jaleel White excited, then I excited.

Only regret is him not being the voice of Sonic.

[drgon78]

Jaleel hasn't been the voice of Sonic for a while though he is the one I remember best.

[The Deadman]

Here is Jaleel White's thoughts ... on the Sonic Movie.


b1wGNbuIyHU



He is way too optimistic about something like this ...

He needs to bash it so.youll be happy

[Papenbrook]

Also, these are the upcoming books for "new beginners". (https://mobile.twitter.com/DrakeTheroux/status/1111940896734498816?p=v)


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D25nAw0W0AE0GVx?format=jpg&name=large

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D25nRdbX4AAidtC?format=jpg&name=large



Why do they even need these things?!

So, apparently, PP's gonna be at Cinema Con. (https://cinemacon.com/schedule)

I wonder what "flick-tage" they'll show there.

[The Deadman]

How DARE they market something towards kids!

[Candy Kappa]

Sonic aren't for kids, it's for furries and people too edgy for Nintendo in the 90's!

[Papenbrook]

Here are some more behind-the-scenes set pictures of this ..... "flick".


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dndsh-yV4AA4TFt.jpg:large (https://mobile.twitter.com/Kitsuoi1/status/1042421180261576704?p=v)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dndsh-sUYAAEeQo?format=jpg&name=large]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dndsh-rVYAMH9d2?format=jpg&name=large]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DnZpxpMX4AEmCpp.jpg:large (https://mobile.twitter.com/agtuff/status/1042136671804899330?p=v)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dn5izUpU4AAKZgU.jpg:large (https://mobile.twitter.com/LuxuryAccess/status/1044380807287062528?p=v)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DllCHqCU0AA1f8p.jpg:large (https://mobile.twitter.com/TailsChannel/status/1033930527483600896?p=v)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DkRM7HcUcAI12kT.jpg:large (https://mobile.twitter.com/TailsChannel/status/1028031542940065792?p=v)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DoJp3MjUUAAvWpO.jpg:large (https://mobile.twitter.com/jennypaige_/status/1045514477372870656?p=v)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DppeeAdX4AAWNd1.jpg:large (https://mobile.twitter.com/TailsChannel/status/1052257391490818055?p=v)



Yeah ... this film will be extremely awkward ...

[neatoman]

The hell is up with those fifty billion cameras? Is that some kind of budget alternative to mocap?

[Wildcat]

It’s how they usually film some 3D avatar or VR.

I’d like to have that clap board with the logo.

[Papenbrook]

Here are more set photos.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DlTXp7DUcAAbNuw.jpg:large (https://mobile.twitter.com/TailsChannel/status/1032688590151659522?p=v)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DmmNZF2UcAAcY8w.jpg:large (https://mobile.twitter.com/theDoorsgirl/status/1038516659177152512?p=v)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dn4aYiYV4AAgRvT.jpg:large (https://mobile.twitter.com/LuxuryAccess/status/1044301187388829696?p=v)

https://pbs.twimg.com/ext_tw_video_thumb/1044124040519020544/pu/img/Zl0VN6WDliS3Zt3j.jpg:large (https://mobile.twitter.com/LuxuryAccess/status/1044124143589810177?p=v)


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DrQo0zLXcAAPe-w.jpg:large (https://mobile.twitter.com/TailsChannel/status/1059518874524233729?p=v)


Important Update: Schwartz is at the CinemaCon. (https://mobile.twitter.com/rejectedjokes/status/1113664241100185600?p=v)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D3SHtrRV4AEJSe1.jpg:large

A trailer is expected soon, at least for attendees.

Another Important Update: It looks like the whole crew's there.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D3SWoDQUUAE8C8D.jpg:large (https://mobile.twitter.com/Kitsuoi1/status/1113680632566042625?p=v)

[Papenbrook]

.... And ....., the design has been officially revealed!






And also, (https://mobile.twitter.com/ErikDavis/status/1113871526351106048?p=v) Gangsta's Paradise has just played!!! (https://mobile.twitter.com/ScottWamplerBMD/status/1113866779867009025?p=v) THIS IS NOT A DRILLLLLL!!!! (https://mobile.twitter.com/TailsChannel/status/1113867017432518657?p=v)

The Officially Confirmed dialogue of the film:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D3VFB1tUUAAAjo2.jpg:large (https://deadline.com/2019/04/jim-carrey-sonic-the-hedgehog-cinemacon-session-1202588350/)

This is SO gonna suck so much!

[ZariusTwo]

This is playing in the trailers when Robotnik appears

LaTGrV58wec

We run hard, we play hard

A positive tweet

SONIC THE HEDGEHOG looks like a fun family film w/ an energetic turn from Jim Carrey as mustachioed Dr. Robotnik, who got his own separate reel after the trailer. One scene w/ Sonic surrounded by missiles reminded me of Quicksilver’s standout scenes in X-Men franchise. I dug it!

https://twitter.com/TheInSneider/status/1113868814968446976?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcam p%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

[Papenbrook]

So, Sonic's actually listening to Gangsta's Paradise - within the film. (https://mobile.twitter.com/SSF1991/status/1113873455538147328?p=v)

:lol: LOL, WHAT?! :flaming:

[LeotheLateBloomer]

So, Sonic's actually listening to Gangsta's Paradise - within the film. (https://mobile.twitter.com/SSF1991/status/1113873455538147328?p=v)

:lol: LOL, WHAT?! :flaming:

How are you not banned? You're intentionally over-exaggerating.

[Wildcat]

I do not care about Gangsters Paradise. Any song they chose probably would have gotten complaints. Besides Slim Shady is in Shazam.

I take all design thoughts with a grain of salt since some have just decided to be against it and those who saw it was their first time.

According to what’s been described the leak seems to be true.

I like the use of Rings for traveling. It’s a nice nod/connection to the special zone rings although we don’t know they work here.

I like that the robots are said to be transformer-ish. Hopefully some were inspired by the games.

I like that Robotnik is going to be comedic. I think that’s a perfect fit for Jim Carrey and it’s how the character is usually portrayed.

[TigerClaw]

Its funny seeing some people on Social Media freaking out about Sonic being an Alien.

All this is actually canon to the Sonic SatAM Series back in the 90s. Sonic is from a Planet called Mobius. a Planet populated by Animal People. And Dr Robotnik was the only Human on that Planet. He tries to take over the world. By turning its people into robot slaves. The show was pretty dark for its time.

[Papenbrook]

How are you not banned? You're intentionally over-exaggerating.


The film just gets worse with each new piece of info flowing out.

[The Deadman]

The film just gets worse with each new piece of info flowing out.

And yet there's no trailer to base this off of. Hilarious.

[Papenbrook]

Don't blame me.

Blame the news coverage for reporting info on this very likely-to-be lackluster movie.

[The Deadman]

Don't blame me.

Blame the news coverage for reporting info on this very likely-to-be lackluster movie.

You overreacted to set pieces of cop cars and buildings. You overreacted to the marketing of a movie that's clearly geared towards kids.

[Papenbrook]

The people behind this film could've put forth their best efforts, and they could've came out with either an excellent, family-friendly animated film via Wreck-It Ralph, or a decent, live-action/CGI VdG adaptation via Detective Pikachu.

Instead, we're likely getting ... a Gangster Sonic fighting Transformer Eggbots, whilst getting tranquilized in the process.

Riveting.

[The Deadman]

<Sonic fighting eggbots and being tranquilized

Gee, it's almost like he fights robots and has Eggman trying to end his life in every video game

[Papenbrook]

He's not even named "Eggman" in this.

Anyway, this film will suck, at least for me.

[ZariusTwo]

He's not even named "Eggman" in this.

-bNCfEvQFUY

[Leo656]

I agree that this movie is 99% gonna be junk, but I never knew Sonic Derangement Syndrome was a thing util Kraken started with the minute-by-minute updates about the production.

[TigerClaw]

I'm looking forward to this movie. The things they said from the previews got me excited for it. It seems like they pulled directly from some of the early Sonic canon. The fact they mention he's an alien. Means they might even mention the Planet Mobius.
https://sonic.fandom.com/wiki/Mobius

Mobius is the name of a fictional planet that appears in several spin-off media for the Sonic the Hedgehog franchise. Mobius is considered one of the common elements for early Sonic canon, adopted mostly in Western regions, with several Sonic TV shows and comics taking place there; the original Sonic games for the Sega Mega Drive, and later the Game Gear and Master System, were also said to take place on Mobius.

The name "Mobius" was not used by the authors of the games' Japanese manuals; the earliest use of the word was in the later drafts of the Sonic Bible which referred to Mobius as Sonic's home planet. It was later used in the Sonic the Hedgehog promotional comic and guidebook Stay Sonic.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

I think this is the perfect opportunity to create a movie with the same zany tone that made Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog so crazy and memorable.

[TigerClaw]

I think this is the perfect opportunity to create a movie with the same zany tone that made Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog so crazy and memorable.
Most of of the older fans like Sonic SatAM more though. That show was a lot more serious.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Most of of the older fans like Sonic SatAM more though. That show was a lot more serious.

Yeah, you are quite right about that.

Knowing what we know though, this movie will have the tone of anything but Satam.

[Xav]

He's not even named "Eggman" in this.Eggman is a stupid name anyway. His real name is Robotnik, Eggman is just a nickname.

[Leo656]

Yeah, I never got the whole "Eggman" thing. Seems like one of those things where something that's supposed to be funny in one language/culture doesn't translate to another.

[neatoman]

He looks like an egg and he's named Eggman, what's there not to get?

[drgon78]

I agree, "Robotnik" sounds so much better the "Eggman".

Also I am tired of hearing adults complain about a movie clearly marketed for kids. I see the same crap about the Dora the Explorer movie, I am like dude, it's Dora the Explorer, what were you expecting.

I will wait until I see a trailer to decide if I am going to see this movie.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

I'm looking forward to this movie. The things they said from the previews got me excited for it. It seems like they pulled directly from some of the early Sonic canon. The fact they mention he's an alien. Means they might even mention the Planet Mobius.
https://sonic.fandom.com/wiki/Mobius

Mobius is the name of a fictional planet that appears in several spin-off media for the Sonic the Hedgehog franchise. Mobius is considered one of the common elements for early Sonic canon, adopted mostly in Western regions, with several Sonic TV shows and comics taking place there; the original Sonic games for the Sega Mega Drive, and later the Game Gear and Master System, were also said to take place on Mobius.

The name "Mobius" was not used by the authors of the games' Japanese manuals; the earliest use of the word was in the later drafts of the Sonic Bible which referred to Mobius as Sonic's home planet. It was later used in the Sonic the Hedgehog promotional comic and guidebook Stay Sonic.

I think this is the perfect opportunity to create a movie with the same zany tone that made Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog so crazy and memorable.

I think it's best to keep our expectations at a minimum and not let nostalgia fuel us with excitement til we see a trailer. There's no way this is going to be like either of those shows.

Yeah, I never got the whole "Eggman" thing. Seems like one of those things where something that's supposed to be funny in one language/culture doesn't translate to another.

Eggman is a stupid name anyway. His real name is Robotnik, Eggman is just a nickname.

Thing is, he was always known as Eggman in Japan. Though in Sonic Adventure, he's still called Robotnik but Sonic and his friends did call him Eggman. In Sonic's case, it did seem like he nicknamed him that to make fun of him hence the "Look, it's a giant talking egg!" line. It was always weird for me growing up as someone who watched the cartoons but since I got into the 3D games, I haven't gone back to the older cartoons in so long that I kinda just accepted it.

[Leo656]

He looks like an egg and he's named Eggman, what's there not to get?

The part where it's not lazy and dumb. :trazz:

[neatoman]

The part where it's not lazy and dumb. :trazz:

Well I mean is Robotnik really any better? It's also lazy and dumb, arguably even more so, people only like it better because of nostalgia.

[Leo656]

It is at least 14% better. Possibly as much as 32%, depending.

[The Deadman]

Most of of the older fans like Sonic SatAM more though. That show was a lot more serious.

Adventures was the superior show. Scratch and Grounder were awesome sidekicks.

[ZariusTwo]

It'a a pity the Fleetway Sonic never had a cartoon.

[Leo656]

Adventures was the superior show. Scratch and Grounder were awesome sidekicks.

To fans of a certain age, perhaps.

Suffice to say I strongly, strongly disagree.

[DarkFell]

To fans of a certain age, perhaps.
Suffice to say I strongly, strongly disagree.
I dunno man - Scratch and Grounder were awesome at being stupid. But, I will also admit that Scratch halfway irritated me whenever I watched the show.

It'a a pity the Fleetway Sonic never had a cartoon.
To be fair, a lot of us would have never been prepared for Fleetway's version of Super Sonic. I heard that he still haunts the minds of StC fans to this day. :ohwell:

[ZariusTwo]

TRIPLETS BORN, THE THRONE AWAITS.... (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5ki8swC6xo)

[DarkFell]

^ That right up there, is what made many a SatAM fan chant in unison "Season 3 [of SatAM] please."

[Leo656]

Hahaaa, I hated Sonic Underground. :lol:

[Papenbrook]

I'm looking forward to this movie. The things they said from the previews got me excited for it. It seems like they pulled directly from some of the early Sonic canon. The fact they mention he's an alien. Means they might even mention the Planet Mobius.
https://sonic.fandom.com/wiki/Mobius

Mobius is the name of a fictional planet that appears in several spin-off media for the Sonic the Hedgehog franchise. Mobius is considered one of the common elements for early Sonic canon, adopted mostly in Western regions, with several Sonic TV shows and comics taking place there; the original Sonic games for the Sega Mega Drive, and later the Game Gear and Master System, were also said to take place on Mobius.

The name "Mobius" was not used by the authors of the games' Japanese manuals; the earliest use of the word was in the later drafts of the Sonic Bible which referred to Mobius as Sonic's home planet. It was later used in the Sonic the Hedgehog promotional comic and guidebook Stay Sonic.


Yeah, ... no.

They're not even allowed to use the name "Mobius" ( ,lest they get sued into oblivion ... ). What makes you think they'll use the concept?


Also I am tired of hearing adults complain about a movie clearly marketed for kids. I see the same crap about the Dora the Explorer movie, I am like dude, it's Dora the Explorer, what were you expecting -


The complaints were mainly aimed at its lack of faithfulness, at least compared to its source material. ( Not to mention, most of its target audience had already grown out of it. )

I agree that this movie is 99% gonna be junk, but I never knew Sonic Derangement Syndrome was a thing util Kraken started with the minute-by-minute updates about the production.


It's ... just so terrible ....

[Xav]

They're not even allowed to use the name "Mobius" ( ,lest they get sued into oblivion ... ). What makes you think they'll use the concept?Why would they be allowed to make a Sonic film but not use the name of his home planet? That doesn't make any sense.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

What are some things you actually like about Sonic, Papenbrook?

It can be characters, games, shows, concepts.

I await your response.

[Wildcat]

I really enjoyed Sonic Underground. I know breaking into song was kinda corny but the show was good. I assume it got an ending in the comics.

They stuck to Sonic being an alien so using the name Mobius is highly possible.

I was thinking about the rings. It’s confirmed that’s how he travelled here. I’m thinking the portal works by using all of them set up in a circle. He’s holding one in the pics so it’s not 1 giant one. Plus it’s mentioned he has to recover them...plural.

Another way could be they shrink/grow when activated displaying a destination window in the middle.

Before anyone says that’s stupid it’s actually not. There’s ring portals in the games. They never actually explain how got to earth in the games either and as for the chaos emeralds some games do not even use them as part of the storyline.

The emeralds could exist in the movies but most likely won’t be mentioned since it’s about Sonic saving us and getting back. It’d be cool if a sequel had a special zone though. That’d make for an awesome end-credits scene. Just showing an emerald trapped in another world.

[ZariusTwo]

I assume it got an ending in the comics.

There were plans to, but they fell through along with everything else going on at Archie Comics at the time.

[Papenbrook]

Why would they be allowed to make a Sonic film but not use the name of his home planet? That doesn't make any sense.


They don't want another "Ken Penders" situation on their hands.

What are some things you actually like about Sonic, Papenbrook?

It can be characters, games, shows, concepts.

I await your response.


That ... would be a bit hard for me ..., but ... let me just leave you with this:

I adore the Sonic series for one simple reason - the representation of freedom and choice.

Sonic, as a character, is the ultimate definition of freedom. Freedom for the environment that envelopes him snuggly, freedom from a system that tells him how to live, freedom from the society that brings him down - just, freedom in general.

In other words, I'm drawn to what Sonic represents: doing acts of kindness that help you gain/receive freedom and, eventually, using that freedom to pass it down to whomever you wish.

[Leo656]

You're a very strange person.

[sdp]

I like Sonic because he's a ****ing cocky asshole most of the time.

[Papenbrook]

You're a very strange person.

Eh. *shrug* :ohwell:

I hope Ben is decent, at least.

[Wildcat]

There were plans to, but they fell through along with everything else going on at Archie Comics at the time.Ya I just looked it up and Queen Aleena appears but they never find her. I would not be surprised if IDW gave it an ending though.

[The Deadman]

They don't want another "Ken Penders" situation on their hands.




That ... would be a bit hard for me ..., but ... let me just leave you with this:

I adore the Sonic series for one simple reason - the representation of freedom and choice.

Sonic, as a character, is the ultimate definition of freedom. Freedom for the environment that envelopes him snuggly, freedom from a system that tells him how to live, freedom from the society that brings him down - just, freedom in general.

In other words, I'm drawn to what Sonic represents: doing acts of kindness that help you gain/receive freedom and, eventually, using that freedom to pass it down to whomever you wish.

....what in the hell?

[ZariusTwo]

Sonic, as a character, is the ultimate definition of freedom. Freedom for the environment that envelopes him snuggly, freedom from a system that tells him how to live, freedom from the society that brings him down - just, freedom in general.

In other words, I'm drawn to what Sonic represents: doing acts of kindness that help you gain/receive freedom and, eventually, using that freedom to pass it down to whomever you wish]


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[Barkworm]

They don't want another "Ken Penders" situation on their hands.




That ... would be a bit hard for me ..., but ... let me just leave you with this:

I adore the Sonic series for one simple reason - the representation of freedom and choice.

Sonic, as a character, is the ultimate definition of freedom. Freedom for the environment that envelopes him snuggly, freedom from a system that tells him how to live, freedom from the society that brings him down - just, freedom in general.

In other words, I'm drawn to what Sonic represents: doing acts of kindness that help you gain/receive freedom and, eventually, using that freedom to pass it down to whomever you wish.
How old are you?

[Xav]

They don't want another "Ken Penders" situation on their hands.Your comparing characters made for some comic vs something that has always been part of the English canon. By that logic they shouldn't be allowed to use the name Robotnik either.

[Papenbrook]

Your comparing characters made for some comic vs something that has always been part of the English canon. By that logic they shouldn't be allowed to use the name Robotnik either.


Right now, someone who worked on SATAM ( namely, a producer/executive/creator ) could literally claim the rights to the show, and then legally sue Sega and their cohorts.

[Xav]

What the heck do the rights of SATAM have to do with a name taken from the Sonic Bible?

[Papenbrook]

They would get Ken Pender'd, should someone decide to sue!

So, Iizuka-san probably ordered/recommend that the writers/screenplayers not use the "Mobius".

[TigerClaw]

They would get Ken Pender'd, should someone decide to sue!

So, Iizuka-san probably ordered/recommend that the writers/screenplayers not use the "Mobius".
Ken Penders does not own the rights to Mobius. That was a Sega of America's creation. Not his.

[The Deadman]

It's funny Papen keeps mentioning this Ken Penders guy....

"Penders filed a lawsuit against Sega and Electronic Arts (EA Games) in 2011 for alleged copyright infringement in the game Sonic Chronicles: The Dark Brotherhood, which was developed by EA's subsidiary BioWare. The case was dismissed without prejudice September 26, 2011, then again in February 2012, after the case had been refiled four days after it was originally dismissed, despite warnings from Judge Otis Wright who dismissed the case both times. In October 2013, the CA 9th Appellate Court upheld Judge Wright's initial ruling."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Penders

Not a good leg to stand on

[Papenbrook]

Please, kindly peer at the other Ken Penders lawsuit - the "Archie Comics" one.

[The Deadman]

Please, kindly peer at the other Ken Penders lawsuit - the "Archie Comics" one.

And he went after Sega, you know, the people who created the Sonic universe. That's more important

[Papenbrook]

Hence (http://www.tssznews.com/2016/08/02/a-lawsuit-against-archie-sega-america-has-been-filed-by-narrative-ark-entertainment/), why they can't (http://www.tssznews.com/2016/08/03/archie-lawsuit-documents-scott-fulop-is-plaintiff-cites-almost-1000-examples-of-alleged-copyright-infingement-in-comics/) use the term (http://www.tssznews.com/2017/09/14/archie-wins-fulop-lawsuit-case-and-fulop-is-now-on-the-defensive/) "Mobius", or any of its (http://www.tssznews.com/2018/02/21/idw-update-mobian-banned-term-unlimited-story-arcs-how-to-pre-order-more/) derivatives. (https://mobile.twitter.com/tssznews/status/966187795546066944)

[The Deadman]

Nothing in those links back up your claim that they can't use Mobius in the films, like at all

[Papenbrook]

The vast majority of movie-goers probably don't know anything about SATAM. Hence, they, most likely, wouldn't get where the reference came from. Like, at all.

[TigerClaw]

The fact to the matter is. The description of the Footage described Sonic as being an alien and from another Planet. I think for the sake of Fan Service. Which they know there are lot of older fans who will watch this movie. That Mobius will get some sort of mention.

[Papenbrook]

Yeah ...., let's .... just forget about Ken Penders for a while .....

Anyway, Ben Schwartz describes Sonic as an "an excitable kid who just feels like an outsider." (https://mobile.twitter.com/sonicsoapshoes/status/1115368087958761472?p=v)

Wh-What the what?! :o

[The Deadman]

The vast majority of movie-goers probably don't know anything about SATAM. Hence, they, most likely, wouldn't get where the reference came from. Like, at all.

So you're admitting you pulled another claim out of your ass to bash the movie...again.

[Coola Yagami]

When will we see pics of Robotnik.

[Papenbrook]

So you're admitting you pulled another claim out of your ass to bash the movie...again.


:blanksta: I ... I didn't admit anything.

I was just saying that most people wouldn't really be familiar with the SATAM lore.

-------

On a similar note, when will the trailer arrive?

[TigerClaw]

:blanksta: I ... I didn't admit anything.

I was just saying that most people wouldn't really be familiar with the SATAM lore.

-------

On a similar note, when will the trailer arrive?
Because currently most are familiar with Modern Sonic. But older fans are familiar with the older Sonic lore. Me included.

[The Deadman]

:blanksta: I ... I didn't admit anything.

I was just saying that most people wouldn't really be familiar with the SATAM lore.

-------

On a similar note, when will the trailer arrive?

You linked to articles that were supposed to state why they cant use Mobius in the film, then turned around and went "oh, people who didnt watch the saturday cartoon wouldnt get it anyway"

[Papenbrook]

Well, they wouldn't.

...

I would like to give my sincere apologies to you, Deadman. It was my own mistake.

[Coola Yagami]

Where do the modern games take place anyway?

[Papenbrook]

According to Iizuka-san, Sonic mainly travels to two worlds - his home world, and the human world. (http://info.sonicretro.org/Takashi_Iizuka_interview_by_Game_(August_4,_2010))



"We have two different worlds for Sonic games – one is human, and one is set on the non-human side."

[Papenbrook]

Apparently, the film will include "edgy" moments (https://www.cinemablend.com/news/2470174/sonic-the-hedgehog-will-have-edgy-moments-according-to-jim-carrey), electrifying Electro-hogs (https://io9.gizmodo.com/our-early-look-at-the-sonic-movie-included-a-very-extra-1833818324), and enticing Easter Eggs that include (https://toonado.com/movies/the-sonic-the-hedgehog-movie-will-feature-a-bunch-of-easter-eggs-according-to-ben-schwartz-a2384) ... Jim Carrey rocking out to the beat of "Everybody Dance Now!"

I'm not kidding.

UPDATE: The Logo's been updated, apparently.



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D4JiHknU4AAfFki.jpg:large (https://mobile.twitter.com/69Collin69/status/1117563543195283456?p=v)

[Papenbrook]

... but I doubt they'd go that far.


Apparently, they did.

I just don't understand why they felt the need to change ... almost his entire design.

They didn't have to only exempt the quills, as all of his design elements are, or in this case, were, important to Sonic's character. The eyes, the shoes, the gloves - all of those emphasize and highlight the uniqueness of Sonic's iconic design. Without them, Sonic ... just doesn't look right.

Damn. :(

[Papenbrook]

The first image of "Robotnik" has arrived.



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D5VxNmCUcAAB3Jc.jpg:large (https://mobile.twitter.com/TailsChannel/status/1122928173417517057?p=v)




Are you even kidding me right now?! :lol:

Edit: Yes, that image is real. (https://mobile.twitter.com/TailsChannel/status/1122936058285412352?p=v) The trailer arrives tomorrow.

[neatoman]

The first image of "Robotnik" has arrived.



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D5VxNmCUcAAB3Jc.jpg:large (https://mobile.twitter.com/TailsChannel/status/1122928173417517057?p=v)




Are you even kidding me right now?! :lol:

I just stared at that for like two minutes.

I'm fine with the moustache being this small, I didn't really expect them to make it as big as in the games, but that's the closest thing to a positive here. This is quite possibly the worst Eggman design I've ever seen. If Carrey didn't feel like shaving his head, fine but it's expected for Eggman to be bald. Not sure why he has the goggles but not the glasses, I get that goggles and glasses might seem like too much but go with the glasses if you have to pick one. I also don't understand the outdated 3D glasses look on them either. There also doesn't seem to be any white or yellow in his color scheme.

But even aside from this not looking like Eggman, it's really lazy on it's own.

[Candy Kappa]

I kinda like it, maybe he ends up bald at some point in the movie

[FredWolfLeonardo]

He has a good mustache but needs to be bald and much, much more fat.

[TurtleTitan97]

I wasn't expecting a 100% video game accurate design, but nothing about that image screams "Eggman". Just looks like a generic mad scientist.

[Papenbrook]

I can see it now.

This film WANTS to be a bomb that will be gone and forgotten.

Just hang in there, folks. This'll be a bumpy ride.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

I wonder if this movie will surprass the meme status of the Super Mario movie?

We'll just have to wait and see.

[AquaParade]

I’m excited for this movie!

I think it’s a mix of loving the character but having no real investment or expectation for this movie. If it’s terrible, I’ll get over it in two seconds, and be fascinated in the meantime.
If it’s good, then that’s even better.

[TigerClaw]

That image of Robotnik looks promising. Hope the Trailer shows up tomorrow.

[Autbot_Benz]

I like this movie because it triggers pappenbrook worse than anything ever has on this site and its glorious.:lol:

[drgon78]

Interesting.

[Wildcat]

He looks fine. There’s also an image of a flying vehicle. Maybe his signature hovercraft. https://i.postimg.cc/cHmWG2M6/E7-FC4-F7-B-738-D-4-B80-8-D8-E-D3-AA03247-FB3.jpg
Oh my gosh am I excited for the trailer. I knew it’d be around a month from that private showing. It didn’t make sense to make it public right after.

Being that’s there’s 2 trailers (Sonic’s and Robotnik’s) I hope they do not purposely show Robotnik’s first and make us wait longer for Sonic.

[Leo656]

I can't help it, I'm with Papen on this one. Video game movies are terrible and live action/cartoon hybrids like this one are even more terrible (Roger Rabbit being the obvious exception, but c'mon, good luck ever getting that kind of lightning in a bottle ever again). Selfishly, I'd love for this thing to tank, because if a brand name as big as Sonic ended up being a huge money-loser, then maybe studios would realize that these things are a bad idea and simply STOP trying to turn video games into movies when it never, EVER turns out well.

However... that won't happen. It's gonna do extremely well because of kids, and 40-year olds who've waited their whole lives to see a live-action Sonic movie and will dance a jig even if it's the worst thing ever, just because it's (loosely) based on something they grew up with.

$500-600 million. But I'd love to be wrong. :trazz:

I don't even really care about this thing, and I doubt I'll ever even see it in my entire life despite (or perhaps because of) being a Sonic fan, but I REALLY want them to stop making video game movies before they inevitably ruin Metal Gear. I love Metal Gear to an irrational degree, but there's no way a movie based on it could be anything but terrible. The only chance we have of avoiding that, and more future tragedies to come, is if this thing tanks hard. But... it won't.

Ah well.

[Wildcat]

You don’t care but felt you needed to rant about why you hope it tanks.

Sonic aside if they just stopped making movies based on games altogether we’d never get ones that actually turn out good (that goes for a lot of things).

MK was good. I thought the Tomb Raider moves were decent but haven’t seen the newest one. Pikachu certainly looks to be really good. Have not seen every video game movie though.

My point is you don’t stop a whole category of something just because prior takes were bad. You could say that about the entire movie industry.

Yes I have waited my whole life for live action Sonic. I can remember before a movie was ever brought up that I wanted a real world Sonic movie.

If it turns out great then great. If it doesn’t that’s disappointing but it’s the first attempt. If it’s somewhere in the middle, cool. A decent movie for a first outing is perfectly fine.

My expectation is that it’s at least entertaining and done in a way that they can build on it with even more game elements if it does well enough.

[Leo656]

What can I say? I'm a Big Picture guy.

I don't care about THIS movie, but I do care about the fact that there are entirely too many bad movies already, and anything that can be done to slow that bleeding down is important. It's important for the industry... dare I say, for the world at large.

You listed the one good (or even watchable) video game movie: Mortal Kombat. And objectively it's "okay at best". It's far from perfect. One could argue it's only even "good" to fanatics. To someone who otherwise wouldn't care or know about MK, it's probably pretty bad to their eyes.

One halfway decent movie out of an entire genre of dozens upon dozens of movies? Yeah, horrible track record. People are homeless and starving; making movies like this one is actively making the world a worse place by wasting valuable resources. I can't morally condone it.

I like Sonic too, but there's much better ways to spend $200 million than by projecting nonsense like this into the world. Like, literally anything else, for example.

The failure of this movie would be a win for the greater good of all mankind. It's as simple as that.

[Papenbrook]

Sonic's budget is at $90 million. And the movie will still make exactly $0.

Other than that, I have to agree.

[Wildcat]

Leo656 - Shutting down the movie industry for just 1 year would save a ton of money. All movies in general are pretty much unnecessary. To pick specific ones just because you don’t like them isn’t fair.

I agree video game movies appeal more to the actual fans of that thing but others can still enjoy a movie on its own. I’ve enjoyed movies for franchises I’m not very invested in.

I don’t know exactly what you envision a “good” Sonic movie to be since you’re certain this is already horrible. I guess you’d stop 50% of movies solely based on the probability of turning out poorly.

[Papenbrook]

FvvZaBf9QQI

What in the fresh HELL is this....?!

[Turo602]

Wow, that was awful.

[drgon78]

I might actually see this one.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

The trailer itself was for the most part, pretty run of the mill.

Eggman was funny though, being a complete savage with that army officer.

Also, love his design at the very end, becoming bald and getting a bigger mustache.

[Candy Kappa]

I really enjoyed the trailer, sonic had a uncanny valley moment in the meow scene, which I think could have been better avoided with better eyes, they are a bit too small for him, and his proportions are a bit off, but mostly it's pretty good.

Loved Carrey, think he'll be a great campy villain (and he does turn bald)

[AquaParade]

Wow. Not only does the movie look poor, but the trailer may have been even worse. They waited over a minute and a half to attempt to show Sonic doing anything cool or exciting. Just looks bad overall, and even as someone who liked the character-design when it leaked, I think it looks pretty bad here.

Shame. Could have made some cool moments out of Sonic running around to Gamgsta’s Paradise.

[sdp]

This looks very fun, not going to be anything like the source material but it looks like it'll have fun with the concept, a buddy cop film with Sonic and Jim Carey being vintage 90s Jim Carrey just works. Everything is tongue in cheek, it's basically a "so bad it's amazing" movie.

[ZariusTwo]

'Tective Pikachu would murder this if both came out at the same time.

Digging Carrey as Waluigi though

[TurtleTitan97]

That was even crappier than I expected.

[Vicky82]

I'm not interested in Sonic so I won't be seeing this movie, but that trailer did make me laugh. I think Jim Carrey's a good choice to play the bad guy Eggman.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Yup, that's a trailer.

[Autbot_Benz]

Another crappy movie from Paramount was ruining the Ninja Turtles not enough for them?

[neatoman]

I used to think "Maybe this Sonic design won't look bad in action", I see now that I was a fool for ever thinking that. He looks way more horrifying in action than he does in still images.

[Andrew NDB]

Eh, it looks about like what a Sonic the Hedgehog movie would look like. I'm not sure what people were expecting.

Green Hill Zone?

[AquaParade]

Eh, it looks about like what a Sonic the Hedgehog movie would look like. I'm not sure what people were expecting.

Green Hill Zone?

Yeah, Idk what I was expecting really. I had no high-hopes and had a general idea of what this film would be, but I guess I thought Sonic would be more likeable? Better action scenes? Like Transformers, where most of the film is trash, but there are some cool characters and action scenes to enjoy. Or maybe the trailer was just so bad that it's dragging the movie down. Really poor trailer.

[neatoman]

Eh, it looks about like what a Sonic the Hedgehog movie would look like. I'm not sure what people were expecting.

Green Hill Zone?

Well, yeah? The Sonic games are about a group of cartoon animals tracking down magic emeralds to beat up an eggshaped scientist, his goofy looking robots and ancient monsters. The setting includes space stations, mystic temples and floating islands.

Sonic being some unique anomaly in an otherwise realistic world is not what anyone really wants from a Sonic movie. Don't get me wrong here, I expected this movie would have Sonic be the only unrealistic thing because that's just what these types of projests end up doing, it's just that nobody really wants that.

[Turo602]

Eh, it looks about like what a Sonic the Hedgehog movie would look like. I'm not sure what people were expecting.

Green Hill Zone?

Maybe an animated CGI film about cartoon characters? Not this live action travesty. The worst part is, Sonic could have been easily adapted and actually excelled in film, yet for some reason, this needed real life human characters and settings.

[AquaParade]

Well, yeah? The Sonic games are about a group of cartoon animals tracking down magic emeralds to beat up an eggshaped scientist, his goofy looking robots and ancient monsters. The setting includes space stations, mystic temples and floating islands.

Sonic being some unique anomaly in an otherwise realistic world is not what anyone really wants from a Sonic movie. Don't get me wrong here, I expected this movie would have Sonic be the only unrealistic thing because that's just what these types of projests end up doing, it's just that nobody really wants that.

This too, although I was already aware, before the trailer, that this took place in our world, so I can't say it surprised me.

[ranger_scout]

I'm not impressed with this first look. I thought that Carrey's casting made perfect sense, but I felt like he's playing Robotnick as if the Riddler from Batman Forever killed the original Robotnick and took his place. Ben Schwartz is a funny actor, but I think he might be better than this movie.

[oldmanwinters]

I'll confess I'm interested enough go watch it. And I think this poor film is gonna bomb hard.

Ah, it can't even get respect in the clickbait headlines:
http://i.imgur.com/5eaGNRQh.jpg (https://imgur.com/5eaGNRQ)

Links to another Yahoo! pass for journalism that consists entirely of screencaps of random social media posts:
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/sonic-the-hedgehog-trailer-jim-carrey-dr-robotnik-143840414.html

[Roseangelo]

I am in love with how terrible this is. No, I will not see it. Currently at 107K downvotes on YouTube.

[Redeemer]

Maybe an animated CGI film about cartoon characters? Not this live action travesty. The worst part is, Sonic could have been easily adapted and actually excelled in film, yet for some reason, this needed real life human characters and settings.

Thats what I what I thought to especially given how successful "Into the spider verse" was. The only way I can think of a successful live adaptation with real humans set in the human world would be if they adapted or taken heavily from the sonic x cartoon series. I am not sure how well that would have translated into live action though.

I am in love with how terrible this is. No, I will not see it. Currently at 107K downvotes on YouTube.

Wow..... that's mildly impressive :lol:

[Autbot_Benz]

Waits for Tigerclaw to come in and say how awesome this movie is and to ignore every negative thought about this movie. :roll::lol::lol::lol:

[Vicky82]

Waits for Tigerclaw to come in and say how awesome this movie is and to ignore every negative thought about this movie. :roll::lol::lol::lol:

https://twitter.com/TigerClaw305/status/1123298965456334849 :lol:

[TurtleTitan97]

https://twitter.com/TigerClaw305/status/1123298965456334849 :lol:

Oh that poor, sweet summer child...

[Autbot_Benz]

https://twitter.com/TigerClaw305/status/1123298965456334849 :lol:

https://i.imgur.com/87yEXzq.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/UYnXlkS.png

[oldmanwinters]

Ironically, Sonic's creepy human teeth are one of the more faithful carryover's from the video game design:
http://i.imgur.com/Tc0Cbsd.jpg (https://imgur.com/Tc0Cbsd)
http://i.imgur.com/QTHQezh.png (https://imgur.com/QTHQezh)

[Autbot_Benz]

I tweeted


Ben @666Hellblazer
20m20 minutes ago

my Condolences to #Sonic fans you now know what us Ninja Turtles fans went through with the two bayturtles movies

[ZariusTwo]

Oh that poor, sweet summer child...

"Knowledge..", unless he means the general basics of the games, the guy knows very little of the Sonic lore can or even will be used in this movie right? Sonic lore is a legal nightmare to untangle

I'm no Pokemon expert even though I still follow developments of the anime, to me the franchise ended with Ash winning the Orange Islands and then the world in Pokemon 2000..that being said I felt far more for the Detective Pikachu trailers than I felt anything for this.

[Leo656]

I don’t know exactly what you envision a “good” Sonic movie to be since you’re certain this is already horrible. I guess you’d stop 50% of movies solely based on the probability of turning out poorly.

Yes. Yes I would. In the immortal words of George Carlin: "Not every ejaculation needs a name."

As for a "good" Sonic movie? It would certainly have to be all-animated or all-CGI. Definitely not live action.

[ZariusTwo]

The best Sonic movie is 25 minutes long and is called "The Doomsday Project"

[Powder]

This looks SO much worse than I thought it would, holy crap. Wow.

F

[Wesley]

I’m not a big Sonic fan nowadays, but this looks awful. Trailer isn’t as bad as I thought it would be, though.

[The Deadman]

Im hyped

10 characters

[TigerClaw]

"Knowledge..", unless he means the general basics of the games, the guy knows very little of the Sonic lore can or even will be used in this movie right? Sonic lore is a legal nightmare to untangle

I'm no Pokemon expert even though I still follow developments of the anime, to me the franchise ended with Ash winning the Orange Islands and then the world in Pokemon 2000..that being said I felt far more for the Detective Pikachu trailers than I felt anything for this.
I know about the Sonic lore. Because I used to play the original games. Watched all the cartoons in the 90s. I know more about Sonic than Pokemon. So I'll be able to pick out all the easter eggs and references than with Detective Pikachu. I know very little about Pokemon lore. and I'm only limited that by playing Pokemon Go. But Sonic is something I know.

If Sonic is from another Planet. I hope its Mobius. The planet he's from from OG Sonic lore of the 90s era. Which was also done in the Archie comics.

[sdp]

I think the movie will do well with kids, it'll be able to ride the Detective Pikachu fur video game wave and youtubers will make plenty of money complaining about how crappy it is. As I mentioned I think the movie will be fun.

https://twitter.com/DinosaurDracula/status/1123269057023754240

[Leo656]

True Story: I just now showed my wife the trailer, and as soon as it was over she un-muted Family Guy, and at that exact moment Peter Griffin proclaimed, "Ladies and Gentlemen... THAT, was a fart." :lol::lol::lol:

Terrific. Terrific.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

I know about the Sonic lore. Because I used to play the original games. Watched all the cartoons in the 90s. I know more about Sonic than Pokemon. So I'll be able to pick out all the easter eggs and references than with Detective Pikachu. I know very little about Pokemon lore. and I'm only limited that by playing Pokemon Go. But Sonic is something I know.

If Sonic is from another Planet. I hope its Mobius. The planet he's from from OG Sonic lore of the 90s era. Which was also done in the Archie comics.

You only know of Sonic during the 90s and not the 2000s, which is not enough "knowledge". Hardly either of those eras are going to be represented in this film and you're lying to yourself if you think there will be. Easter Eggs are just their way of throwing us a bone of references.

[TigerClaw]

You only know of Sonic during the 90s and not the 2000s, which is not enough "knowledge". Hardly either of those eras are going to be represented in this film and you're lying to yourself if you think there will be. Easter Eggs are just their way of throwing us a bone of references.
I played Sonic Adventure 1 and 2. As well as Sonic Generations.

[Xav]

You only know of Sonic during the 90s and not the 2000s, which is not enough "knowledge".How much knowledge of the 2000 era do you need to have to watch this film? They don't seem to be using any characters outside Sonic and Robotnik.

[ZariusTwo]

I played Sonic Adventure 1 and 2. As well as Sonic Generations.

Nobody has truly lived 'till they've played Robotnik's Mean Bean Machine

[Wildcat]

Trailer was better than I thought and I really like how Sonic looks but I’ll admit it was a bit strange at first. We’re just so used to the game design.

Although some people decided a long time ago to be against this no matter what so it’s not even an actual discussion at that point.

I was right about the rings changing size and the portals but anyone could have figured that out.

They gave him socks after all. I’m glad his shoes are kinda more traditional. Wearing out all the shoes from so much running was a cool joke. I guess the Nike’s were just a concept. I didn’t see a logo.

Is it just me or was the missile part a nod to his foot tap 4th wall break when you leave the game untouched? Seemed like it.

I loved Jim Carrey especially at the end. That’s gotta be mushroom hill right?

[Turo602]

Although some people decided a long time ago to be against this no matter what so it’s not even an actual discussion at that point.

Like you didn't decide to love this no matter what? Be for real, leading up to this trailer, what exactly was there for anyone to get excited over? It's been one bad thing after another, and this trailer only confirms our doubts.

[Wildcat]

I’ll admit I’ve been really excited for it but unlike those who were against it I never claimed it was going to be amazing and stating it as a matter of fact.

The trailer is the first legitimate piece of work released. Everything else was an unfinished leak or teaser. There was nothing to go on but people’s assumptions.

[Papenbrook]

I know that Sonic had slowly morphed into a hollow shell of his former self, but ... come on, Paramount. You should know better already.

You had two other tries; you should have learned by your third try.

[ZariusTwo]

I’ll admit I’ve been really excited for it but unlike those who were against it I never claimed it was going to be amazing

So you're settling, which is worse.

Detective Pikachu is going to change the game for the way video game movies are handled, this is just another typical example of following the formula and it's not going to suddenly be the exception to the rule.

What is it about that trailer that makes it "better than you thought?" for heaven's sake man, elaborate.

[shredder orokusaki]

https://twitter.com/TigerClaw305/status/1123298965456334849 :lol:

I agree with him! He was one of my tophenchmen and even my second in command for a while so i agree with what he says! Sonic 1on sega game gear was my first video game that i played in 1994. Since then i became a gamer and i have played most sonic games and i will continue playing all of them!

[Papenbrook]

Apparently, Riff Raff is gonna have a minor role in the upcoming flick. (https://www.hotnewhiphop.com/riff-raff-announces-role-in-new-sonic-the-hedgehog-movie-news.78845.html)

I never heard of him.

[DarkFell]

Nobody has truly lived 'till they've played Robotnik's Mean Bean Machine
At least Mean Bean Machine was a gentler game compared to Sonic Spinball, even though I've yet to complete either game.

[Xav]

I know that Sonic had slowly morphed into a hollow shell of its former self, but ... come on, Paramount. You should know better already.

You had two other tries; you should have learned by your third try.What two other Sonic things has Paramount done?

[Jester]

Nobody has truly lived 'till they've played Robotnik's Mean Bean Machine
I prefer Kirby's Avalanche.

[Coola Yagami]

What two other Sonic things has Paramount done?

He's referring to the duo of Teenage Mutant Ninja Travesties.

[Papenbrook]

What two other Sonic things has Paramount done?

I was only referring to their takes on the Transformers and TMNT franchises.

Both are known to have ... designs that aren't exactly well-received. I will just leave it at that.

[sdp]

Sonic in live action is a thing that shouldn't work, when that was announced as real I was flabbergasted but when we saw the leaked Sonic he looked exactly like some of the Pokemon in Detective Pikachu, I realized they understood a live action sonic couldn't work unless it was something different. It's a comedy/action film and I'm sure it'll be a lot more fun than any type of serious Sonic movie could've been. yeah, it looks like it'll be cheesy but it's a movie for kids, not adults and kids will be able to like the cheesyness. If you can overlook that it looks like it'll have enough jokes to have fun with it.

[Ninjinister]

I prefer Kirby's Avalanche.

ark but del weld
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[Wildcat]

So you're settling, which is worse.

Detective Pikachu is going to change the game for the way video game movies are handled, this is just another typical example of following the formula and it's not going to suddenly be the exception to the rule.

What is it about that trailer that makes it "better than you thought?" for heaven's sake man, elaborate.Ok. I was thinking the trailer would keep things to a minimum and only show Sonic once to satisfy people’s curiosity. I also thought it was going to rely more on comedy than action.

Nobody has to believe me but I’m not settling. I genuinely think the it looks like it’ll be a fun movie. What exactly should I (we) have expected instead? It’s his first movie. Something other than Sonic vs Robotnik?

I’m actually seeing less hate towards it than I thought there’d be which is nice. Like I said once a long time ago naysayers are typically the most vocal about stuff that’s why you see it more.

I know its not for everyone. I’ve seen some negative reactions that did not go overboard. It’s fine. When people outright trash (anything) that’s when I stop taking it seriously.

I can not imagine myself making a video to rip on something. It’s ridiculous to me that’s a thing. I think most here know I’m really open to movies/tv in general so I’m not just defending this because it’s Sonic. I defend a lot of stuff.

[Leo656]

I can not imagine myself making a video to rip on something. It’s ridiculous to me that’s a thing.

I completely agree, but I also feel the same way about people who make videos gushing about things. I can't believe that "reaction videos" are a thing, let alone a thing some people get paid for. Talk about a complete waste of one's life.

Although I guess obsessively watching them is worse, maybe, I'unno.

My feelings about 95% of the stuff people post to YouTube is, essentially, "Holy sh*t, that person has entirely too much free time and nothing worthwhile to fill it with." :trazz: But yeah, "reaction videos" are of particular annoyance to me.

I think they only mean anything if you actually value other peoples' opinions. And I think we all know how I feel about THAT! :lol:

[Wildcat]

Well I watched a bunch yesterday for the fun of it and some were pretty fair towards the movie. Not really praising it or trashing it either way.

Some users are actually objective and give well formed opinions on things even if they might want to really unload sometimes. Those are the channels I usually stick to.

What annoys me is when people admit they’re not really into something to begin with (which is fine) but go on to say why something looks horrible. Why did you bother then?

I also feel like some of them were not really “first time” reactions. It looked like they had watched the trailer before and planned to be “shocked” at certain parts. Some do it to be funny I guess but it comes off like they’re just messing around.

[Turo602]

Nobody has to believe me but I’m not settling. I genuinely think the it looks like it’ll be a fun movie. What exactly should I (we) have expected instead? It’s his first movie. Something other than Sonic vs Robotnik?

You're absolutely settling. You act like its biggest problem is that it's Sonic vs Robotnik, when nobody has criticized that at all. But the fact that you feel the need to justify any issue with "it's his first movie" just means you're willing to settle because you shouldn't expect much. Which by the way, being his first movie is no excuse for why it should be terrible.

[ZariusTwo]

Well I watched a bunch yesterday for the fun of it and some were pretty fair towards the movie. Not really praising it or trashing it either way

A lot of the "big name" reactors are access media shills who get invited to premieres and thus don't want to say anything to "rock the boat", some of them are also out of touch casuals...for example, Tyrone Magnus liked it, but admitted he hadn't played Sonic since the second game and is only interested in this for Jim Carrey.

I also feel like some of them were not really “first time” reactions. It looked like they had watched the trailer before and planned to be “shocked” at certain parts. Some do it to be funny I guess but it comes off like they’re just messing around.

This. A lot of the positive and more hyperbolic reactions are also very tellingly put on.

[Wildcat]

Turo602- I know I probably shouldn’t respond to this response but...ok. ZariusTwo specifically asked me so I’m just wondering what should have been excepted instead as far as the plot goes.

Nobody really expected to get a bunch of the different characters, villains, zones and overall lore in his very first movie. It’s just doesn’t work that way. General audiences (which are a factor) would be lost.

Popular franchises don’t start at a 1000% right from the beginning. Especially when it’s based on a pre-existing series. It’s adapting.

Design aside what should have been the storyline? I really want to know? Even the first game was just Sonic vs Robotnik.

[Papenbrook]

Ooooh boy, Benny Boy ....



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D5Zm7R7V4AMxaPy.jpg:large (https://mobile.twitter.com/SonicMovie/status/1123208129775194112?p=v)

No. Just, ..... why man, why ....

[Candy Kappa]

I think he looks pretty good on that poster. Sonic's face looks fine as long as you don't have the camera down-up to his face

[Wildcat]

Ya that poster is awesome. I mean looks he good except for that one screaming part.

Easter Egg-ish. I don’t know. At the very end when the screen is scrambling we see Robotnik’s glove. The buttons kinda look like the genesis controller. I have a strong feeling one of his vehicles will be called the Mega Drive.

https://i.postimg.cc/BQw4QSy1/FF9-BF482-244-F-4955-9865-8-A1732976387.png
Also throughout the trailer all of Robotnik’s machines light up red except in the desert scene. It’s blue and fires a blue laser. Must be using Sonic’s quill to upgrade and power his weapons. He still has a quill at the very end when he’s got the full look.

[Papenbrook]

Here's another awfully atrocious poster.



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D5aoph_X4Agt1M1.jpg:large (https://mobile.twitter.com/TailsChannel/status/1123270712863731712?p=v)




Just, ... fix his face, fix his head, fix his legs - fix EVERYTHING!

[Andrew NDB]

lol... apparently they're going to completely revamp his look due to public outcry.

https://comicbook.com/gaming/2019/05/02/sonic-the-hedgehog-design-change-movie-live-action/?fbclid=IwAR0iNaTvWkDrgzL_HpiQ40w_lwRx7vXaDjOEo0Z9 JyFVAD8ri-7GDwYfjpc

[FredWolfLeonardo]

lol... apparently they're going to completely revamp his look due to public outcry.

https://comicbook.com/gaming/2019/05/02/sonic-the-hedgehog-design-change-movie-live-action/?fbclid=IwAR0iNaTvWkDrgzL_HpiQ40w_lwRx7vXaDjOEo0Z9 JyFVAD8ri-7GDwYfjpc

What wimps.

Looks like this is tmnt 2014 all over again, with the movie being changed because of angry fans.

[TigerClaw]

lol... apparently they're going to completely revamp his look due to public outcry.

https://comicbook.com/gaming/2019/05/02/sonic-the-hedgehog-design-change-movie-live-action/?fbclid=IwAR0iNaTvWkDrgzL_HpiQ40w_lwRx7vXaDjOEo0Z9 JyFVAD8ri-7GDwYfjpc
Don't expect anything drastic. Most of the criticism has to do with the face. They are just gonna fix it a little.

[oldmanwinters]

lol... apparently they're going to completely revamp his look due to public outcry.

https://comicbook.com/gaming/2019/05/02/sonic-the-hedgehog-design-change-movie-live-action/?fbclid=IwAR0iNaTvWkDrgzL_HpiQ40w_lwRx7vXaDjOEo0Z9 JyFVAD8ri-7GDwYfjpc

Full-scale redesign?
This type of desperation never works out well, and if they weren't confident in their design, then they need to fire their market-survey department. Now they will sink a ton of money into redoing the Sonic model which won't make the film any better, and means the studio will probably lose lots more money on reshoots, bad publicity, and scrapped promotional material.

[Andrew NDB]

Most of the criticism has to do with the face.

Really? You might be right. For me, it's just his legs and shoes are off and he shouldn't look that furry.

[oldmanwinters]

Really? You might be right. For me, it's just his legs and shoes are off and he shouldn't look that furry.

I concur. Sounds like they really wanted a Nick deal, but the lower body is just a complete disaster.

I can live with the face as-is.

[Galactus]

What wimps.

Looks like this is tmnt 2014 all over again, with the movie being changed because of angry fans.

TMNT was changed because Michael Bay saw Liebesman's first cut, hated it and ordered over half the movie to be re-written and re-shot.

The fact that in the process someone said "hey since we're changing most of the movie anyway can we throw the fans a bone on the Shredder issue" isn't really much and honestly we were better off with that fixed.

How much of Sonic's design could they possibly change now though? I would argue his face isn't even the worst part of the design it's the proportions and the overall aesthetic they were going for. I can't see that much changing.

[Leo656]

Can homeboy get a pair of gloves, at least?

[TigerClaw]

https://twitter.com/ScottWamplerBMD/status/1124120316962332678

Ah yes, the ol’ “intentionally enrage your fanbase to make *more* money” gambit

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D5mtd_IWsAEasNu.jpg

[Leo656]

If this thing didn't have a huge brand name behind it, people would be even more honest about how terrible it looks.

If it was a completely new and original IP - like if it was "Charlie The Squirrel" instead of "Sonic The Hedgehog" - not one person would be excited.

I think that really says it all.

[Andrew NDB]

I'm no expert in these matters but I should think it wouldn't be TOO expensive/difficult to overhaul the design. Sonic is a 3D model. As long as the basic skelicature doesn't really change (and I don't think that would)... his leg and face "skin" or especially the shoes being altered would only really need to be done once.

[oldmanwinters]

I'm no expert in these matters but I should think it wouldn't be TOO expensive/difficult to overhaul the design. Sonic is a 3D model. As long as the basic skelicature doesn't really change (and I don't think that would)... his leg and face "skin" or especially the shoes being altered would only really need to be done once.

Maybe it's true what they say... "there's more than one way to skin a hedgehog." :tcool:

[Leo656]

I'm no expert either, but I've seen a lot of people who claim to work in SFX/CGI commenting on the news articles, and they all say that doing major changes to anything besides the face would set the studio back a year. So whatever they change can't be major.

Like, they can't change his height, body proportions, or too much of anything because the mo-cap is already locked in and they'd have to re-shoot lots of stuff. They can at most tinker with the face and that's it.

For all I know they're all lying and they're really all a bunch of busboys. :lol:
But that's the stuff I'm reading from people who claim to know. Also lots of claims that this overhaul is going to have VFX artists working 22-hour days between now and November, on a movie most people agree isn't worth this kind of hassle in the first place.

What a mess. Who even wants this? It's a "kids movie" (see the popular and irritating refrain, "It's okay if it's terrible because it's a Kids Movie"), but market research based on who actually watches the cartoons and plays the video games shows that nobody under 20 years of age even cares about Sonic, and there's nothing recognizable or nostalgic to draw in the proper target audience of 20-40 year olds. Most kids will apparently only be seeing this if their parents take them, and there's little to no reason for parents to do so. "It's a Sonic-ish character I barely recognize, in a movie that admittedly does look terrible and has nothing to do with the games or cartoons, but it's supposedly just for little kids so that makes it okay that everything is wrong." Uhhh... yay? That sounds... great? Who is this movie even FOR?

It's like, if they'd just pulled a Ratchet And Clank and made a fully-CGI movie based entirely on the games, they wouldn't have any problems whatsoever. There was zero reason to ever even try to do a live-action Sonic movie, it just comes with too many problems that we see now they were never equipped to handle. Hasn't the poor little guy (and his brand) suffered enough, without one more thing for people to sh*t on? They could've made a great movie if they focused on the right things.

But noooooooo. "Live-action, Because Reasons." :roll: Well, there's the beginning and end of all the reasons this thing isn't gonna work. Sonic shouldn't be done in live-action for the same reasons Citizen Kane shouldn't be a cartoon.