Sonic the Hedgehog Live-Action/CGI Movie Targeting 2020 Release Date

[Coola Yagami]

What wimps.

Looks like this is tmnt 2014 all over again, with the movie being changed because of angry fans.

You do realize the original movie was going to be 10 times worse, right? Making Shredder Eric Sachs was never ever a good idea or any sort.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

You do realize the original movie was going to be 10 times worse, right? Making Shredder Eric Sachs was never ever a good idea or any sort.

I would've preferred it to what we got, even if its not good on its own.

[sdp]

They still have to re-render all the new faces they do so it's not easy or cheap but it's not impossible either, I'm sure reshoots are more expensive.

Sucks, I think all the fan renders I've seen look like sh-t and wouldn't work as well with what they're going for. I hope it's not too extensive the change which likely it won't be too big.

[Wildcat]

Well “darn”. I can’t imagine they’d change much but listening to internet complaints is the absolute worst thing they could do.

I know trailers often have unfinished cgi but not to change a whole character.

The turtles themselves were not changed much, right? They just redid things and forcefully made Shredder a separate person.

How in the world do they let online whiners have any affect on movies? Teasers and concepts to test audiences is fine but do not redo official material. Certainly not your main character.

I know it probably will not be drastically changed. Second trailers come soon after anyway but must every single thing be crapped on by the internet?...and worse given into by the studio?

It’d be like Ferrari revealing a car and then redoing it because 1 loud group complained it does not look cool enough. What the heck is that?!

[Leo656]

So, in your theory... when potential customers say, "I don't like what I see, I don't want to spend money on this product unless I see something I do like"...

...The appropriate response is for the people making the product to say, "Nuts to you, we know better so shut up and take your medicine"?

Interesting business model. :lol:

I'm the first person to say that knee-jerk overreactions to hyperbolic criticism can sometimes do more harm than good, but in this case, they had to have known what they were getting themselves into. At least they have time to make SOME kind of correction. Literally anything they do would be an improvement. That entire character model is ass. It doesn't look like Sonic at all, it looks like a parody character for some low-budget TV show that had to rig up a "Not-Sonic" model for a comedy skit, skewing "just close enough" to the design so you'd have some idea what it was representing/mocking but far enough away from Sonic that they wouldn't risk getting sued.

Like when "Sonic" shows up on Simpsons or Family Guy, and it looks close enough if you squint but it isn't quite "right", nah'mean? That's what this thing looks more like than "Actual Sonic". They'd have to have had their heads jammed up their collective asses for the past two years to not have some inkling that what they were doing was awful and in need of some kind of changes.

Part of me thinks that they "leaked" all the designs themselves the past few months, just so they'd have a long head start on doing the tweaks they must have known were necessary.

[Wildcat]

Proper business model and internet backlash are totally different things. You know what I mean. YouTube and forums are the absolute last place you should go for constructive criticism. Like I said before not everyone is awful but they wouldn’t know that or who. One search and it’s literally that 1 screenshot with a WTF caption or something.

As for the actual design I honestly think he looks good minus that 1 scene (he’s making a frightened expression so that’d probably look strange regardless).

There are specific reasons why he comes weird....at first. He has a neck for one thing. His tan mouth area (I don’t know what you’d call it) does not wrap all the way around his head. He has actual limbs instead of stick figures. His hands/feet are realistically scaled and eyes don’t stretch all the way up to his ears.

They just took away his cartoonish attributes which was necessary imo. He comes more realistic which was the point.

“The internet” does not consider this or think things through. It’s just...oh it’s different. It sucks. Let’s crap on it. It’s the reaction to almost everything.

[Leo656]

It wouldn't have been necessary to make it "more realistic" to the point of being horrifying IF they hadn't insisted on doing a live-action movie in the first place. :tgrin:

I mention Ratchet & Clank as a point of comparison because, from what I've heard from people who know that franchise, the movie itself was good. It only failed because it was a lesser-known video game franchise to start with and hasn't been really relevant in like 10-15 years. It was never gonna make any money because not enough people were ever gonna care about it.

A Sonic movie, on the other hand, done in the exact same style with the same amount of faithfulness to the video games as that movie supposedly had? Guaranteed Win. Easy money. The choice to do the Sonic movie in THIS fashion instead of that fashion is mind-boggling. Who in this or any universe would willingly choose to see a bad live-action Sonic movie over a good animated or CGI one?

Every single problem with this movie - from the character designs to the Earth-based setting to whatever else anyone can name - is rooted in the studio's insistence on forcing a square peg into a round hole. It didn't NEED to be live action, and the fact that it is live-action is almost entirely why it's going to be bad. They created all of their own problems from the outset by making a fundamentally flawed choice of presentation, one that ultimately served no purpose and doesn't fit the characters or their universe.

Sad. It's like when someone got the grand idea to make a live-action Yogi Bear movie and forgot the fact that nobody's given a sh*t about Yogi Bear since 1987. :lol: Some things just aren't the best use of resources for the story you're trying to tell, and also, you have to know your audience.

[Wildcat]

I’m sure you understand why turning things live action is popular. To see things “come to life”.

Whether or not your into that type of movie is not the point. It’s fine. It’s a preference. Some do like it and I’m one.

My problem is something comes out and because 1 crowd is louder than the other that’s accepted as the majority.

There’s actually positive reactions (and for whatever it’s worth a fair amount of “likes” on the trailer) but this goes unnoticed.

[Leo656]

I'm aware it's a thing people do, yes, but seeing as how it hasn't ever been done well since 1988 (or 1996 if one's opinion of Space Jam is particularly forgiving), I persist in questioning why anyone bothers.

Just make good movies that actually serve the property they're trying to adapt, and choose an aesthetic that works BEST for it. Live action Sonic was a bad idea. Live action Super Mario was a bad idea. Not everything is universally adaptable.

The definition of "Insanity" is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Almost every single live-action adaptation of a cartoon was lousy, and that number of "acceptable" ones gets even smaller if you include these "hybrid" ones. So again, while I'm aware that people still persist in this endeavor, common sense would seem to prove that it's a gigantic goddamn waste of time and money.

It don't work, mang.

[Wildcat]

Wether you’re against these kind of movies or not the Sonic trailer is in no way like the Mario movie. It’s certainly better than that. More game accurate at least.

Anyway I hope they don’t go overboard changing things just to appeal to those against it. Not this far in.

The only thing I’d do is reapply the white patch between his eyes. Didn’t seem to be there after all. It’s not a big deal but it was a clever work around for gap thing.

[Leo656]

It's only similar to the Mario movie in that both games' universes are far too over-the-top and insane - in a good way - to ever be faithfully served by a live-action adaptation, both for reasons of budget as well as some things just plain looking ridiculous when translated into "real life".

Mario's games are blissful lunacy, with all of their talking mushrooms and flying turtles and fire-breathing plants and sentient suns that fly down from the sky and try to murder people. You knew it was gonna be a bad movie when their design choice was, "Instead of all THAT, let's just make it look like New York City, if New York City was entirely contained within someone's dirty garage." I understand that a live-action budget would never have accommodated a faithful translation of the game's visuals, not in 1993 or today, but that's the thing: They should have pulled the plug at the exact moment they came to that realization. If you have to throw out almost everything recognizable about your property in order to "adapt" it, regardless of the underlying reason, then your "adaptation" is fundamentally Bad.

Likewise with Sonic. Those games are like a neon-laced crackhead fever dream. No live-action adaptation could ever come close to doing it justice. "So, since we can't do it Right, let's just throw out Every Single Thing that makes the games visually interesting, and instead we'll just have it set on regular ol' Earth and make him run on regular ol' roads." BOOOOOOORIIIIING.

Meanwhile, if they'd done a CGI movie, they wouldn't have had to sacrifice a single goddamn thing, and everyone who SHOULD care about a Sonic movie WOULD care, and there'd be genuine excitement, instead of the split reaction we have now. There's no reason something so inconsequential should also be so divisive. This should have been an easy sale. All-CGI, everybody wins. Sonic looks like Sonic, the world looks exactly like the games, everybody's happy, and only the pickiest nitpickers would find any fault with it.

"Nah, man, let's make it live action. It'll be boring and ugly but it'll be REAL." :roll: Misplaced priorities, plain and simple.

[Wildcat]

Well Sonic has come to earth in the games so it’s not that far fetched.

Sure I would have accepted a fully cgi animated movie. I’d be all over it.

I’ve just always wanted “real life” Sonic too. I can’t help it.

[ZariusTwo]

They just took away his cartoonish attributes which was necessary imo. He comes more realistic which was the point.

Nobody is going into this movie wanting "realism"

“The internet” does not consider this or think things through. It’s just...oh it’s different. It sucks. Let’s crap on it. It’s the reaction to almost everything.

Oh yes, which is why the internet is in absolute love with Detective Pikachu.

Nintendo could have made easy money basing the film off of the more well known games or the glory years of the never-ending anime, but they chose to take more of a creative risk and it's been rewarded with gushing amounts of praise and anticipation.

That movie doesn't concern itself with looking too "realistic", it embraces the cartoonish appearances of it's characters and the absurd notion of a talking yellow rodent with a deer-stalker. All the reviews I've seen for it indicate it won't have a simple plot either, it'll get the kids thinking.

THIS? This won't.

There’s actually positive reactions (and for whatever it’s worth a fair amount of “likes” on the trailer) but this goes unnoticed.

Those positive reactors are either access media shills, "chill" casuals who rarely play the games, little kids that don't know any better, or naive families who don't want to critique things in front of their idiot kids.

[Leo656]

You are just the cattiest of bitches, Zar. :lol:

[Wildcat]

Of course likes are skewed. I said for whatever it’s worth. Meaning to the studio.

Some percentage of dislikes must be trolling too. That happens to a lot of videos.

[Turo602]

Why exactly is it necessary to remove cartoony attributes from a cartoon character just because it's being done in live action? That's the most bullsh*t thing I've ever heard and it's f*cking sickening hearing it repeated so many times just because idiot directors keep using it as an excuse. Who Framed Roger Rabbit, Space Jam, and now even Detective Pikachu prove that statement to be full of sh*t. It's like insisting the X-Men still need matching black uniforms after the MCU completely shattered the notion that colorful costumed heroes don't work on film.

There's been tons of fan renderings showing much better and faithful designs for Sonic since the leaks and trailer, ranging from spot on accurate to keeping with the movie's vision but still accurate and recognizable. How the f*ck can anyone defend that god awful human-shaped Sonic with down syndrome?

If Sonic must be live action, which he shouldn't, the only thing that must look "realistic" is his texturing. Other than that, you're still getting a f*cking blue talking hedgehog so who the f*ck is to say one isn't "realistic" enough when they're both CGI cartoon characters? The only difference is one actually looks like the character the film is named after.

The fact that anyone can defend this and want to keep it over improving it is just mind-boggling. How can you trash the internet's opinion but then act like Hollywood has their heads screwed on tight?

[Wildcat]

I don’t think Roger Rabbit or Space Jam are the same difference. They purposely kept the characters 2D because it was blending. Pikachu is a good example but I’ve already said why I feel that translates better.

I just think it’s best, for all movies, to stick to the original vision the filmmakers had in place rather than go back and tinker with established designs and characters. Especially so close to release. Turtles suffered from it and Fantastic 4 right?

If they they wanted enough time to allow changes they should have revealed him a long time ago. Not 6 months in an official trailer with toy manufacturers prepared in advance.

This is why I can’t see them making any drastic changes. If the redos are that significant they’d need to throw everything out and announce its delay until 2020. I doubt that will happen.

At most I can see them making a more game-friendly (but not 100% accurate) face. Which is fine. If he looks better...he looks better but I don’t like idea of scrambling this far in just ease trailer reactions.

If anything was actually better “back in the day” it’s that studios did not have to deal with constant backlash from the announcement to release of a movie because there was no internet or “leaks”. They could still ignore it or at least see some of it is overreacting.

[Utrommaniac]

It seems to me that the problem is just "uncanny valley". And it's part of why the Pokemon weren't pushed to the extreme to be "realistic" - because then they'd be creepy. Pikachu looks like a well-made doll come to life and that works.

Sonic was pushed to look so "realistic" and yet still "Sonic" that yeah, it looks weird.

It also shares some of the reasons why the Bay turtles don't tend to be well-liked.

(And has anyone done any Sonichu edits yet???)

[ZariusTwo]

I just think it’s best, for all movies, to stick to the original vision the filmmakers had in place rather than go back and tinker with established designs and characters. Especially so close to release. Turtles suffered from it?

How did Turtles suffer for it? It got a sequel didn't it?

And "tinkering with established designs and characters" is exactly why we're in the situation. Don't fix what's not broken.

This is why I can’t see them making any drastic changes. If the redos are that significant they’d need to throw everything out and announce its delay until 2020. I doubt that will happen.

New Mutants released a trailer two years ago and was postponed until summer this year. Push backs happen.

[Candy Kappa]

Those poor ****ing animators... 6 months to fix the design after internet meme mob wasn't happy, yikes. Gonna be a lot of underpaid overtime for already underpaid employers.

[oldmanwinters]

It's only similar to the Mario movie in that both games' universes are far too over-the-top and insane - in a good way - to ever be faithfully served by a live-action adaptation, both for reasons of budget as well as some things just plain looking ridiculous when translated into "real life".

Mario's games are blissful lunacy, with all of their talking mushrooms and flying turtles and fire-breathing plants and sentient suns that fly down from the sky and try to murder people. You knew it was gonna be a bad movie when their design choice was, "Instead of all THAT, let's just make it look like New York City, if New York City was entirely contained within someone's dirty garage." I understand that a live-action budget would never have accommodated a faithful translation of the game's visuals, not in 1993 or today, but that's the thing: They should have pulled the plug at the exact moment they came to that realization. If you have to throw out almost everything recognizable about your property in order to "adapt" it, regardless of the underlying reason, then your "adaptation" is fundamentally Bad.

Likewise with Sonic. Those games are like a neon-laced crackhead fever dream. No live-action adaptation could ever come close to doing it justice. "So, since we can't do it Right, let's just throw out Every Single Thing that makes the games visually interesting, and instead we'll just have it set on regular ol' Earth and make him run on regular ol' roads." BOOOOOOORIIIIING.

Meanwhile, if they'd done a CGI movie, they wouldn't have had to sacrifice a single goddamn thing, and everyone who SHOULD care about a Sonic movie WOULD care, and there'd be genuine excitement, instead of the split reaction we have now. There's no reason something so inconsequential should also be so divisive. This should have been an easy sale. All-CGI, everybody wins. Sonic looks like Sonic, the world looks exactly like the games, everybody's happy, and only the pickiest nitpickers would find any fault with it.

"Nah, man, let's make it live action. It'll be boring and ugly but it'll be REAL." :roll: Misplaced priorities, plain and simple.

Right on!
http://i.imgur.com/RM3TmMr.jpg (https://imgur.com/RM3TmMr)

[Papenbrook]

Those poor ****ing animators... 6 months to fix the design after internet meme mob wasn't happy, yikes. Gonna be a lot of underpaid overtime for already underpaid employers.


Yeah, that sucks. :(

Still, Jeff Fowler should have known that the Sonic community has some rather ... "hostile" fans. ( They were going WAY too far with the bullying, however. )

[TurtleTitan97]

Wether you’re against these kind of movies or not the Sonic trailer is in no way like the Mario movie. It’s certainly better than that. More game accurate at least.


How in the world is anything featured in that trailer "game accurate"?

[Andrew NDB]

How did Turtles suffer for it? It got a sequel didn't it?

It got... "something," anyway.

New Mutants released a trailer two years ago and was postponed until summer this year. Push backs happen.

This brings up an interesting question.

Can anyone think of a movie already in the can that has been significantly delayed (not just a few months, I mean like a year+) that still ends up being any good?

[oldmanwinters]

It got... "something," anyway.

This brings up an interesting question.

Can anyone think of a movie already in the can that has been significantly delayed (not just a few months, I mean like a year+) that still ends up being any good?

While I certainly enjoyed G. I. Joe: Retaliation, it didn't get great critical or audience scores. I can't imagine that the delay (over a year, I think, after a Superbowl commercial already promoted its original release date) made the film any better and probably cost the studio a bunch of money.

[TigerClaw]

It got... "something," anyway.



This brings up an interesting question.

Can anyone think of a movie already in the can that has been significantly delayed (not just a few months, I mean like a year+) that still ends up being any good?
Dark Phoenix has been delayed many times. and its coming out this year.

[Leo656]

By most accounts that movie isn't gonna be any good, though. Andrew asked about movies that were both delayed significantly AND still turned out to be good.

All I can think of is that "House of 1,000 Corpses" was... watchable. Over-hyped to the moon and much more of a copy/paste of "Texas Chainsaw Massacre" rather than the "homage" that Zombie insisted that it was, and nowhere near as good as "The Devil's Rejects", but it wasn't terrible.

That's all I got.

[Turo602]

Okay, but... what were you guys expecting? This is his first movie.

[Allio]

I was expecting a garbage fire, like all the other sonic media.

[Wildcat]

I wish they never included the screaming scene in the trailer. Even if you didn’t particularly like his design he at least looked ok in every other shot.

If he ends up looking even better, cool. My concern is they try to do too much and have to somehow take apart the movie and put it back together.

Wouldn’t the trailer be set to play in theaters soon? I’m sure it’s possible to stop it if it was attached to anything but that’s some major backtracking.

[Turo602]

I wish they never included the screaming scene in the trailer. Even if you didn’t particularly like his design he at least looked ok in every other shot.

Yes, the screaming scene. THAT'S the only problem.:roll:

[Papenbrook]

Ah well, at least Christmas came earlier this year. :lol:

[Allio]

Not like a visual change will make the movie better

[Coola Yagami]

Those poor ****ing animators... 6 months to fix the design after internet meme mob wasn't happy, yikes. Gonna be a lot of underpaid overtime for already underpaid employers.

Yeah right, if I was a CGI animator or whatever the exact title for that role was and I was brought on board to work on a Sonic movie and THAT was the design they were going for, I would have quit and gone elsewhere.

I also feel Detective Pikachu is this film's biggest problem. If that movie was cheap ass 'ultra realistic creepy animals' mess like Sonic, it would have more legs to stand on. The fact that Detective Pikachu looks so awesome and flawlessly brings the Pokemon to life makes it the answer to any time someone says 'well, it's impossible to make Sonic real and still look good'. I mean c'mon, based on his height and whatnot in-game, Sonic would basically be a Pokemon in their world and wouldn't be all that different from Machop and the more humanoid looking ones.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I've never cared about Sonic. Finally watched the trailer out of curiosity.

Good god, you Sonic fans have my heartfelt sympathy. :tlol:

[Galactus]

Well “darn”. I can’t imagine they’d change much but listening to internet complaints is the absolute worst thing they could do.

I know trailers often have unfinished cgi but not to change a whole character.

The turtles themselves were not changed much, right? They just redid things and forcefully made Shredder a separate person.

How in the world do they let online whiners have any affect on movies? Teasers and concepts to test audiences is fine but do not redo official material. Certainly not your main character.

I know it probably will not be drastically changed. Second trailers come soon after anyway but must every single thing be crapped on by the internet?...and worse given into by the studio?

It’d be like Ferrari revealing a car and then redoing it because 1 loud group complained it does not look cool enough. What the heck is that?!

Those faces were toned down a bit but the main changed were in the *ahem plot of the movie.

You can't really blame online "whiners" for the changes to TMNT '14. We know the movie was in a constant state of flux even during their initial shooting. As I said the main changes were done not to please the fans but please Michael Bay after he saw Liebesman's first cut and hated it. The fact that they threw the fans the "whiners" a bone on the Shredder issue in the process I don't think made much of a difference.

I've always disliked this argument as it makes it sound like people are trying to say the reason the movie sucked was the fault of the fans. Frankly if they had any faith in their product they'd have stuck to their guns and know they'd be vindicated when people saw the final product. Rise of the Planet of the Apes had a lot of skepticism even when the trailers hit but the makers didn't cave because they knew when people saw things in proper things in proper context they'd understand.

I'd be curious to see Liebesman's first cut. At very least it looked like he was interested in a movie that was tonally more mature and not aimed at the lowest common denominator but it was always going to be a cluster**** no matter what...which I kinda get, there's aspects of the turtles story which are going to be messy translating into an semi serious movie but it didn't have to be as hard as Platinum Dunes made it.

Likewise I feel the same about Sonic's design here; I sympathise as I Sonic's design doesn't easily lend itself to live action, you can't put the character in a real environment and not look fake, he needs some element of 'realism' but it takes more than simply giving him more texture like the various Pokemon in Detective Pikachu.

Sonic doesn't look like an anthropomorphisized hedgehog which is what he's supposed to be - he doesn't look like he's supposed to have spikey fur, his spikes are the ones protrude from his back which look more like something you'd get on a shark or something. So yeah this was not an easy task...still they could have come up with something better than this.

[oldmanwinters]

I would love to see the original cut of TMNT 2014, simply because I'm always curious to know what could have been.

[TigerClaw]

I would love to see the original cut of TMNT 2014, simply because I'm always curious to know what could have been.
What could have been. Was a different movie then what we got.

[Jester]

Part of me wonders if they have other designs they can fall back on.

[Voltron]

I can't reveal my sources, but this just leaked from the studio.

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[Coola Yagami]

I'd be curious to see Liebesman's first cut. At very least it looked like he was interested in a movie that was tonally more mature and not aimed at the lowest common denominator but it was always going to be a cluster**** no matter what...which I kinda get, there's aspects of the turtles story which are going to be messy translating into an semi serious movie but it didn't have to be as hard as Platinum Dunes made it.



So you wanted alien turtles and General Schroeder who was also an alien and the blades were a part of his body? Come on now.

[Galactus]

So you wanted alien turtles and General Schroeder who was also an alien and the blades were a part of his body? Come on now.

That's not what I'm referring to.

Obviously we don't know for sure but the version Bay saw and hated was was basically the same movie to what we got except more TCRI stuff with Baxter Stockman and April's dad.

Vern was actually a veteran field reporter that had become disillusioned with serious journalism and just wanted to do puff pieces until April presumably drags him back. He was present at the lair during Splinter explaining his and the turtles origin and the Foot raid and was much more active during the escape from Sach's mansion.

Shredder-Sachs's plan was seemingly to mutate his own men (not poison the city) and the turtles had to fight monstrous mutated Foot soldiers.

It was also tonally more mature which is what Bay had a problem with although there was also a scene were Raph would try and disguise himself in a trenchcoat and fedora but looking so obviously not right and not fit in Vern's car and another scene would have him naturally blend in with people in costumes from Nickelodeon shows which sounds way too goofy for something supposed to be 'mature'. Also storyboards show that at the lab Splinter having kung fu movies beamed into his head (presumably how he would learn ninjutsu).

So better in some aspects, worse in others but generally a different flavour of terrible to what we got.

[Candy Kappa]

Part of me wonders if they have other designs they can fall back on.

There's already conspiracy theories circulating that the sonic model we see in the trailer was made for the trailer, created to stir internet uproar, and the show the actual model and claim they've listened to the fans and "fixed" Sonic

[Wildcat]

Galactic- Thanks I didn’t know it was mostly Michael Bay that caused the changes. I just remember complaints about Shredder so they made him a separate character. I’m in the minority but I would have liked to see the alien idea. Not as the definitive format but as a different take.

As for the conspiracy theory I don’t believe that all. I don’t know how much trailers cost but spending more just to prank people is extremely unlikely. There’s promo art and toy companies set up that already have roughly the same design.

This all reminds of the 2014 turtles trailer. People took to the part where Michelangelo takes of his mask and ran with it. The Shrek stuff and memes.

[Leo656]

I just remember complaints about Shredder so they made him a separate character. I’m in the minority but I would have liked to see the alien idea. Not as the definitive format but as a different take.


Movies by default become "the definitive take" automatically, because more people will watch a movie than will ever read a comic book or watch a cartoon show.

That's why movies have a much greater responsibility to play the source material "straight" rather than dismiss it all and say, "Well, this is just OUR version." That version is going to be seen by (ostensibly) millions of people, and shape an entire generation's idea of who the character(s) is/are, what their origins are, etc. etc. Furthermore, pieces of the film version are inevitably going to creep into the comics/games/misc. simply because they were seen by more people, whether that's good for the property or not (see how the X-Men in the comics were forced to all wear black leather for a few years after the first Singer movie came out, or how Superman in the comics was forced to adopt the aesthetic of "Superman Returns" briefly when that film came out; very silly and pointless changes in either case).

X-Men are a good example, because while those movies were popular (and competent action movies when taken entirely as their own thing), they're a terrible adaptation of the property. But because of those films, entirely too many people think that Mystique is a heroic character, for example, or that Rogue is a whiny emo, or that everything revolves entirely around Wolverine, and so on. My Dad was a huge X-Men fan, but he only "liked but didn't love" the movies. As he put it, "Why'd they have to screw everything up? They could have just made it like the comics. It's like they didn't even bother reading them!" When I explained to him that Bryan Singer has never read a comic book in his life, he understood but still wasn't happy about it. Or Batman '89, for example. I still bump into people who think that The Joker killed Bruce Wayne's parents, and I don't slap them because it's not their fault, but it goes to show how movies have a way of seeding willful ignorance in people who don't know any better.

When a comic book or something comes out, with a big label on it that says "Elseworlds" or something, and it clearly has nothing to do with mainstream and "proper" continuity, there's your chance to tinker and make pointless arbitrary changes. You can make Shredder an alien or Batman a vampire or Superman a Nazi or the TMNT all be refugees from Dimension X rather than mutants, because those stories aren't in any position to usurp the canon, they're just fun one-offs. But people really shouldn't use movies as a platform for awful fan-fiction, while leaning on the excuse that "Well, it's just a Different Version". The audience for things like TMNT, Sonic, or super-heroes is fractured and diluted enough. When you put terrible ideas like "Col. Schrader from Dimension X", or "Learning martial arts from a book" into a movie, you end up with entirely too many idiots thinking that's the correct story, and it isn't.

Movies should be the most pure and iconic version of a character/story possible, and a person watching a licensed film should then have a very easy time picking up a comic book or whatever and not feel like it's completely dissimilar and detached from what they just watched. This doesn't happen enough, because Hollywood screenwriters are arrogant and think that whatever they come up with is automatically "better" than whats already established, but it's how it SHOULD work.

[Wildcat]

Ok that’s actually a good point. Alien turtles would fit better in a cartoon or comic first. I think audiences are smart enough to distinguish between main franchise and alternate versions though.

Things from movies do seep into the main line in someway but usually people still understand how it’s different. Unless you’re a little kid but even I understood separate continuities.

[Voltron]

. . . or that everything revolves entirely around Wolverine.


I was really into everything you said until there. I've read the comics, watched the shows, seen the movies. That dude is EVERYWHERE.

[Allio]

Wolverine is definitely the X-men they push. It's like Batman as Marvel knows he sells.

[Leo656]

Well I've seen at least three where he's either minimized or absent, so it happens. :lol:

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Not very often, though. He really IS everywhere. He's even been a core member of the (New) Avengers for a time!

[Papenbrook]

Here is Sonic's new design.




https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D6OUP33V4AAnWPn.jpg:large (https://mobile.twitter.com/Kitsuoi1/status/1126907342283403269?p=v)

Just, ... no ....

[KROW]

Here is Sonic's new design.




https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D6OUP33V4AAnWPn.jpg:large (https://mobile.twitter.com/Kitsuoi1/status/1126907342283403269?p=v)

Just, ... no ....



Nice to see Chicken Boo getting some work these days.

[neatoman]

Here is Sonic's new design.




https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D6OUP33V4AAnWPn.jpg:large (https://mobile.twitter.com/Kitsuoi1/status/1126907342283403269?p=v)

Just, ... no ....



Got some other link? I can't see this.

[Papenbrook]

Click on the image in the spoiler, as it should lead you to the source.

[Prowler]

This whole thing is kinda amusing to me. I lied the classic Sonic games a lot and absolutely adore Sonic Mania, so it's not like I have something personal against the most famous hedgehog in the world or Sega. In fact, Sega was a big part of my childhood and I sometimes wish that company would one day make a new console again that takes the world by storm.

...but I kinda want this movie to be as bad as it looks like. For one thing, it's not like Sonic's reputation can be even more damaged than it already is. I mean, did the Tomb Raider, Street Fighter or Super Mario Bros. movies even damage those properties' reputations? No.

Like Leo said, let this movie at least finally convince studios that video game based movies usually aren't a good idea. Dead Or Alive and the first ever Mortal Kombat movies were exceptions to the rule.

[Leo656]

Woo-hoo! "Dead Or Alive" High-Five! :tgrin::tlol:

[Prowler]

Woo-hoo! "Dead Or Alive" High-Five! :tgrin::tlol:

I haven't actually played the games yet, so I dunno how faithful of an adaptation it is, but the movie was fun for what it was, so I have no reason to hate on it. I'm fine with its existence. And the first ver MK movie was quite impressive for its time. Surely stood out in comparison to the Mario and Street Fighter movies.

[Papenbrook]

So, I've learned that this wasn't the first film that Sega had decided to sign off on.

House of the Dead (https://www.metacritic.com/movie/house-of-the-dead), which came out in 2003, was one of the WORST reviewed video game movies of all time.

What are the chances that Sonic might match its reception?

[Sobble]

Did anybody see shadmans Sonic movie redesign

[Papenbrook]

No, and please, try not to mention the artist or his heinous artwork.

[Sobble]

no, and please, try not to mention the artist or his heinous artwork.

hehehehehehe

[Leo656]

I've been playing Sonic Adventure, and every time Robotnik goes into one of his cutscene rants I'm just like, "F*ck you Jim Carrey!" :lol:

[Papenbrook]

Apparently, Riff Raff is gonna have a minor role in the upcoming flick. (https://www.hotnewhiphop.com/riff-raff-announces-role-in-new-sonic-the-hedgehog-movie-news.78845.html)

I never heard of him.

Apparently, he's a sexual predator. (https://www.theguardian.com/music/2018/jun/05/rapper-riff-raff-accused-sexual-harassment-by-two-women)

God, can this film get ANY worse? Just, ... cancel it already; save the time, money, and headache.

Edit: Apparently, the film might get delayed. Hopefully ... (https://mobile.twitter.com/billspinge1/status/1129823674557718528?p=v)

[The Deadman]

So, I've learned that this wasn't the first film that Sega had decided to sign off on.

House of the Dead (https://www.metacritic.com/movie/house-of-the-dead), which came out in 2003, was one of the WORST reviewed video game movies of all time.

What are the chances that Sonic might match its reception?

Do you ever get bored trolling the thread of a film you had no plans of seeing regardless of what the material was?

[Sobble]

Apparently, he's a sexual predator. (https://www.theguardian.com/music/2018/jun/05/rapper-riff-raff-accused-sexual-harassment-by-two-women)

God, can this film get ANY worse? Just, ... cancel it already; save the time, money, and headache.

Edit: Apparently, the film might get delayed. Hopefully ... (https://mobile.twitter.com/billspinge1/status/1129823674557718528?p=v)

So we are going as far as hiring sexual predators

This flim just needs to die in hell

[Candy Kappa]

Not the Riff Raff I had in mind reading the name :lol:

[Papenbrook]

Anyway, here's how hard Ben Schwartz worked on getting the role of Sonic. (https://www.behindthevoiceactors.com/news/Ben-Schwartz-On-Landing-The-Role-of-Sonic/)



The process of me getting Sonic was a long one, a really long one. It started about a year ago. The director, Jeff [Fowler] called me, and he said, ‘You know, the role is yours.’ I did a Tiger Woods - like, fist pumps, and then looked around because I was out in the open, that one was a... I put in a lot of work to get that one. I really wanted it, so I was very, very excited.





Here's Jeff Fowler, breaking a sweat by working on Sonic. (http://www.blur.com/sonic_set/)



http://www.blur.com/assets/uploads/2018/08/sonic_fowler_02.jpg

http://www.blur.com/assets/uploads/2018/08/sonic_fowler_01.jpg

[Voltron]

I, too, am wondering how long someone can sustain a meltdown. . .

[sdp]

I'm excited, I think this movie will outdo Detective Pikachu.

[ZariusTwo]

I'm excited, I think this movie will outdo Detective Pikachu.

Quality wise? Forget about it.

[TurtleTitan97]

I'm excited, I think this movie will outdo Detective Pikachu.

Not a chance in hell, man.

[Whatswiththeheadbands?]

I'm excited, I think this movie will outdo Detective Pikachu.

For how terrible it'll be, of course it will

[Coola Yagami]

lmao I love how you all keep taking the bait. Keep feeding the trolls and watering the plants.

[sdp]

I'm not trollllin', unlike detective pikachu sonic has 2 weeks without much competition and I don't think Frozen 2 will take much out of it, different audience, unlike Detective Pikachu it only has to deal with the aftermath of Terminator 6 which I doubt will create much of a problem. Sonic is just coming out at a better time to make money, Detective Pikachu came out at the worst time, I'm not saying Sonic will be more entertaining, just that it could outdo Detective Pikachu in terms of money or at the very least in profitability.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

I'm not saying Sonic will be more entertaining, just that it could outdo Detective Pikachu in terms of money or at the very least in profitability.

You're talking about preforming better at box office. For the most part, I doubt it. I mean it all depends if they can put out a better trailer and show how well Sonic's redesign looks. It'll probably be pushed back in its release date though.

[sdp]

I'm always incorrect about B.O. so you're probably right, I guess I try to use my analytical knowledge to an industry where it has different rules. If less money is spent on marketing and there's less competition I think it can outdo Det. Pikachu but I might be very wrong. I still think it'll be a fun enough movie even if nothing amazing, no trolling there either.

[oldmanwinters]

Boy, I just now noticed the tags for this thread. That is some gross and savage stuff.

[Sobble]

I dont think the sonic movies gonna make more money the detective Pikachu

It's Pokemon it's gonna make tons with kids none the less

[TurtleTitan97]

I'm not saying Sonic will be more entertaining, just that it could outdo Detective Pikachu in terms of money or at the very least in profitability.

Again, not a chance in hell of that happening. For starters, Pokemon is literally THE highest grossing franchise on the planet. Not to mention Detective Pikachu had a great first trailer that showed the studio was sticking to the source material and made most of the naysayers give it a chance.

Sonic is in the exact opposite position right now on both fronts.

[Sobble]

Again, not a chance in hell of that happening. For starters, Pokemon is literally THE highest grossing franchise on the planet. Not to mention Detective Pikachu had a great first trailer that showed the studio was sticking to the source material and made most of the naysayers give it a chance.

Sonic is in the exact opposite position right now on both fronts.

And to back up your claim about Pokemon being the highest grossing franchise

According to wikapedia its total revenue is an est. $90 billion

[Leo656]

I still find that incredible. I can't get my head around it.

I have nothing against Pokémon, it's just entirely not my thing. But I vividly remember reading about it in the magazines when it was new, and I was like, "Yeah, just another fad." Not in a billion years did I ever expect that it would still be going strong 25 years later, let alone being the Biggest Thing Ever.

Y'know how whenever a new Star Wars movie comes out, and someone on CNN or something does an editorial piece like, "This thing is about to smash all kinds of records, and I have no idea why, can anyone explain it to me?". That's exactly how I am with Pokémon. I don't root against it, I just completely don't get it.

[CyberCubed]

Pokemon is also a Nintendo franchise and given they kept Mario/Zelda, etc. going since the 80's it's obvious Pokemon would be the same. The only difference is Pokemon is much bigger with anime, manga, toys, merch, etc. that it dwarfs everything.

[sdp]

I dont think the sonic movies gonna make more money the detective Pikachu

It's Pokemon it's gonna make tons with kids none the less

And to back up your claim about Pokemon being the highest grossing franchise

According to wikapedia its total revenue is an est. $90 billion
Again, not a chance in hell of that happening. For starters, Pokemon is literally THE highest grossing franchise on the planet. Not to mention Detective Pikachu had a great first trailer that showed the studio was sticking to the source material and made most of the naysayers give it a chance.

Sonic is in the exact opposite position right now on both fronts.

Those wikipedia numbers aren't correct, Pokemon isn't the highest grossing franchise in the world as many have quoted for the past few months, it's already been debunked. I'm not saying it's not super popular or a big contender but those numbers don't mean a great Box Office as we've already seen, the movie is not doing that great, especially with how much they spent on marketing. I mean I wanted the movie to do great but it hasn't, it's not a bomb but not a huge success. I can see Sonic having a smaller budget in general and having more profit overall.

I was like, "Yeah, just another fad." Not in a billion years did I ever expect that it would still be going strong 25 years later, let alone being the Biggest Thing Ever.


Well I mean it was indeed another fad and Pokemon died for many years, I remember getting tons of Gen1/2 items on clearance for like ten cents in the early 00s. The games still sold but overall it took the franchise all of the decade of the 00's to really recover. It was more of when the kids who grew up with Gen 1 became adults and got nostalgic that it suddenly became cool to like Pokemon again and now everyone loves pokemon again but yeah, the real hardcore fans were there in the 00's when no one cared.

[Papenbrook]

Like I said, zero dollars.

[The Deadman]

Troll harder

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Those wikipedia numbers aren't correct, Pokemon isn't the highest grossing franchise in the world as many have quoted for the past few months, it's already been debunked. I'm not saying it's not super popular or a big contender but those numbers don't mean a great Box Office as we've already seen, the movie is not doing that great, especially with how much they spent on marketing. I mean I wanted the movie to do great but it hasn't, it's not a bomb but not a huge success. I can see Sonic having a smaller budget in general and having more profit overall.

Well I mean it was indeed another fad and Pokemon died for many years, I remember getting tons of Gen1/2 items on clearance for like ten cents in the early 00s. The games still sold but overall it took the franchise all of the decade of the 00's to really recover. It was more of when the kids who grew up with Gen 1 became adults and got nostalgic that it suddenly became cool to like Pokemon again and now everyone loves pokemon again but yeah, the real hardcore fans were there in the 00's when no one cared.


Wrong. Just a quick Google search on top ten most profitable franchises shows Pokemon is #1. In the double-digit BILLIONS. It has had a few slumps, but anytime a new version of the video games comes out, or a new generation of creatures is introduced in the card game, or new movies or seasons of the animated series are released, it harvests another crop of fans both new and old. Pomemon is known and recognuzed worldwide, by people of all ages. Sonic- isn't. Sonic has had a few minor hits in video games, and a small but steady following in tv and comics, but that's about it. Pokemon is literally the biggest money-making franchise in the WORLD. It is not a "fad" and hasn't been JUST a fad for years. It has become legitimately the biigest franchise ever, even bigger than Star Wars. It doesn't even take much effort to find the numbers on that.

Sreen Rant, Comic Book, Geek Tyrant, and Wikipedia are ALL in agreement- Pokemon IS the highest grossing media franchise worldwide.

[Prowler]

I still find that incredible. I can't get my head around it.

I have nothing against Pokémon, it's just entirely not my thing. But I vividly remember reading about it in the magazines when it was new, and I was like, "Yeah, just another fad." Not in a billion years did I ever expect that it would still be going strong 25 years later, let alone being the Biggest Thing Ever.

Y'know how whenever a new Star Wars movie comes out, and someone on CNN or something does an editorial piece like, "This thing is about to smash all kinds of records, and I have no idea why, can anyone explain it to me?". That's exactly how I am with Pokémon. I don't root against it, I just completely don't get it.
I feel the same way about games like League of Legends. I thought it was gonna be a fad for like a year or two... and yet tons of people still play it and doesn't seem like it's gonna die anytime soon.

And in 1997 I've never thought Mario Kart would become such a big juggernaut either.

[Papenbrook]

Bottom-line, I admire some of your optimism, dsp, but I still heavily doubt that this movie will make even a tenth of DP's box-fice. ( So, you should err on the side of caution. )

[Sobble]

I know this isn't related but remember the Pokemon go craze of 2016

[sdp]

Wrong. Just a quick Google search on top ten most profitable franchises shows Pokemon is #1. In the double-digit BILLIONS. It has had a few slumps, but anytime a new version of the video games comes out, or a new generation of creatures is introduced in the card game, or new movies or seasons of the animated series are released, it harvests another crop of fans both new and old. Pomemon is known and recognuzed worldwide, by people of all ages. Sonic- isn't. Sonic has had a few minor hits in video games, and a small but steady following in tv and comics, but that's about it. Pokemon is literally the biggest money-making franchise in the WORLD. It is not a "fad" and hasn't been JUST a fad for years. It has become legitimately the biigest franchise ever, even bigger than Star Wars. It doesn't even take much effort to find the numbers on that.

Sreen Rant, Comic Book, Geek Tyrant, and Wikipedia are ALL in agreement- Pokemon IS the highest grossing media franchise worldwide.

I can't google right now but look into it, it's been debunked already the list most sites quote and the easy search results on google all use the same shady source.

I know very well how big Pokemon is, hell I even worked for the TCG division for a few years. It was most definitely a fad, the fad most definitely died in 2001 and pokemon for the most part was dormant, it still made plenty of money, especially on video games but it wasn't what it once was. The craze of liking Pokemon as adults again began around the time when XY came out in Gen 6 even if it had been slowly building over time. By the time Pokemon Go we had another fad which also died, doesn't mean plenty of people don't still play Go.

Bottom-line, I admire some of your optimism, dsp, but I still heavily doubt that this movie will make even a tenth of DP's box-fice. ( So, you should err on the side of caution. )

All I'm saying Sonic has really young fans and obsessive fans, if it hits the right notes with the young fans then it'll be a hit. Alvin and the Chipmunks and the Smurfs had successes despite looking horrible. The budget of DPikachu is a lot higher than Sonic's.

[Sobble]

Also can we note that Pikachu is one of the most iconic anime characters along with sailor moon and Goku

[Cure]

I know very well how big Pokemon is, hell I even worked for the TCG division for a few years. It was most definitely a fad, the fad most definitely died in 2001 and pokemon for the most part was dormant, it still made plenty of money, especially on video games but it wasn't what it once was. The craze of liking Pokemon as adults again began around the time when XY came out in Gen 6 even if it had been slowly building over time. By the time Pokemon Go we had another fad which also died, doesn't mean plenty of people don't still play Go.

You "most definitely" don't know what a fad is.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

I can't google right now but look into it, it's been debunked already the list most sites quote and the easy search results on google all use the same shady source.

I know very well how big Pokemon is, hell I even worked for the TCG division for a few years. It was most definitely a fad, the fad most definitely died in 2001 and pokemon for the most part was dormant, it still made plenty of money, especially on video games but it wasn't what it once was. The craze of liking Pokemon as adults again began around the time when XY came out in Gen 6 even if it had been slowly building over time. By the time Pokemon Go we had another fad which also died, doesn't mean plenty of people don't still play Go.

All I'm saying Sonic has really young fans and obsessive fans, if it hits the right notes with the young fans then it'll be a hit. Alvin and the Chipmunks and the Smurfs had successes despite looking horrible. The budget of DPikachu is a lot higher than Sonic's.


Sonic doesn't have nearly as many fans as Pokemon, though. It'll be lucky if it even breaks even, given how bad word of mouth has been, plus the bad reaction to the early trailers/designs, and its relatively niche market. It literally has three strike against it already, even if it turns out to be decent, which is not looking too promising. For that matter, the history of video game movies in general is a pretty big hurdle, to boot. Sonic will fall flat at the starting line, make no mistake. Optimistically, the best it can hope for is to make back the budget with a SLIGHT profit, if any.

And I'd like to know where this alleged debunking is. Even just glancing at the stats for various media branches of the franchise on Wiki shows huge numbers. And they are backed up by reputable sources, like Marketwatch, and sales figures from the companies themselves. So, if those are "fake", what sources are you using to refute them? I'm curious how you know this.

[sdp]

Pokemania never died. (https://miscrave.com/articles/pokemania/)

[Prowler]

You "most definitely" don't know what a fad is.

Yeah... Poke´mon never died. The mainline games of each Pokémon generation are always either the top selling games on their respective devices or in the top 3. Just because a lot of people from my generation(born between 1989 and 1992) moved on from Pokémon after Gen II doesn't mean the franchise didn't continue being very popular. Perhaps the peak was indeed in 1998-2000, but no way can Pokémon ever be called "just a fad". :lol:

[sdp]

The TMNT fad never died.

[Sobble]

The TMNT fad never died.

You forgot 1999-2002 existed right

[Vicky82]

Looks like the movie has been pushed back to February 14th 2020.

https://twitter.com/rejectedjokes/status/1131940115255894022

[Sobble]

Looks like the movie has been pushed back to February 14th 2020.

https://twitter.com/rejectedjokes/status/1131940115255894022

This is gonna be the second worst Valentine's day for me after 2017 :tcry: :tcry: WHY PARAMOUNT WHY

[sdp]

that's dumb
the people bitching will continue to bitch regardless of the changes, they want hateclicks for youtube views and or site views and go for the low hanging fruit

[Sobble]

Jokes aside I'm excited to see what they got for Sonic's new design

[Sobble]

that's dumb
the people bitching will continue to bitch regardless of the changes, they want hateclicks for youtube views and or site views and go for the low hanging fruit

I was joking when I said it was going to be my worst Valentine's day ever but that's not what your talking about and you won't care so I'm sorry for joking

[sdp]

I didn't even read your reply, i was responding to the news of the delay in general.

[Papenbrook]

That's g0_0d, at least for the workers!



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D7VzS0FUwAERyYT.jpg:large (https://mobile.twitter.com/fowltown/status/1131937685700980736?p=v)

He's delaying the inevitable bomb ...

[TigerClaw]

Nothing says Valentine's Day like Sonic The Hedgehog.

This will be the perfect date movie.

[Jester]

https://pics.me.me/nothing-saysi-love-you-like-the-gift-of-aspatula-43348902.png

[Sobble]

*get g00d sanic*

[Wildcat]

Since they’re making changes I’m glad they’re delaying it because November was too soon. Shoehorning edits would most likely hurt it overall. However I’m still very much against a studio giving those who complain the power to directly impact a movie.

This is a great article about this whole situation. https://io9.gizmodo.com/vfx-artists-explain-what-it-would-actually-take-to-redo-1834653108

He’s right about social media piling onto stuff instead of waiting because opinions can change when a movie is seen or people just get used it. They really should have released the posters first. The look and quality of cgi is much better than the trailer which was probably made awhile ago.

Now February is not a huge difference. It’s possible they just delayed it to give themselves more breathing room but if they are making major changes to him I wonder if they’re going to remove the trailer (from their own accounts - not reposts). Pretty sure they could have stopped it from playing in theaters.

Also what about merchandise? Toy companies had the design in advance and since it was scheduled for November I assume they started making them. Will the first wave become rare/collectible due to being canceled or just variants for oddly no apparent reason?

It’s fine to want to please those who genuinely care but if they were willing to take fan input they should have released models with a poll or just to gauge opinions. Maybe the changes won’t be significant but they should have to stuck by their work at this point.

I know some will say they do not care, should have gotten him “right” the first time or it’ll suck anyway etc...that’s just cynical nonsense. Regardless nobody is purposely trying to make a crappy version of something you like. People would lose their (presumably) high paying jobs for messing around with studio’s licenses and franchises.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Since they’re making changes I’m glad they’re delaying it because November was too soon. Shoehorning edits would most likely hurt it overall. However I’m still very much against a studio giving those who complain the power to directly impact a movie.

Well it was clear that viewers didn't like what they saw of the main character's model. With that being in mind, they clearly want fans (regardless whether they have faith in this movie or not) to see it as well as wanting those Detective Pikachu views, lol. It's nice to show that they consider those people's opinions. Releasing something that was obviously going to be controversial is the last thing Sonic needs right now.

I do see where you're coming from but in this case, it wasn't a good idea to make this movie in the first place.

[Papenbrook]

From ONE of the MANY storyboard artists, ...



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D7XwF8qUEAE79j6.png:large (https://mobile.twitter.com/DouglasEinar/status/1132075225078673408?p=v)




Also, from Mr. Schwartz himself, ... (https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5ce29d99e4b09e05780828da)

[Allio]

Shame it still looks like a garbage movie.

[sdp]

Well it was clear that viewers didn't like what they saw of the main character's model. .

The viewers that didn't like what they saw aren't the target audience and are not going to be watching the movie regardless of changes.

[Wildcat]

Sure some just hate on stuff for fun and then there’s those who don’t hate but will complain so much about Hollywood in general.

I’ve heard the usual stuff over and over about so many things. How they don’t care and it’s better to support fan content because it’s not some shill job.

Fans do stuff because they love movies. What If they get jobs at a big studio? Do they become corporate shills that don’t care? That whole notion is just stupid.

As for this there are people who do genuinely care but their reactions were not very nice. Like I said they should have released the posters first. Honestly who can NOT buy this as Sonic?

https://i.postimg.cc/Pq8PrXfQ/79-E6-C71-A-F291-410-B-96-EA-D65-FAB999-CC9.jpg

Except for gloves that’s a pretty good adaptation of what he’d could look like in real life. He reminds me of some of his more human-ish comic characters.

If you don’t like his face or body ok...but I’ve seen so many people ask for gloves and apparently they’re coming but he still has hands under them. You can’t be against hands. Do people just pretend his gloves are hands because it’s “too weird” to think of them?

[Cure]

I don't like his design but I like even less that enough whining on the internet can actually cause a movie to be delayed.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

The viewers that didn't like what they saw aren't the target audience and are not going to be watching the movie regardless of changes.

You say this after saying that this movie could beat out Detective Pikachu in box office? That sorta goes against your belief. The target audience is indeed children but they won't be nearly enough to help the film in that regard. Knowing Sonic fans, they're going to watch this film whether they're against it or not because that's what they do.

[snake]

I don't like his design but I like even less that enough whining on the internet can actually cause a movie to be delayed.

Word. This will do nothing but hurt creator-freedom on projects. Now focus groups and audience testing will play even more of a part in the production phase.

[Sobble]

I'm just watching the movie for the change of Sonic's design

I gotta see if I like it or not

I just hope Sonic's design is good

[snake]

If there's any reason to watch this, it'll be for Jim Carrey.

[Sobble]

If there's any reason to watch this, it'll be for Jim Carrey.

Definitely

[Sumac]

I've heard its gotta go fast, but its going slow?

[Sobble]

I've heard its gotta go fast, but its going slow?

:tlol: :lol: :tlol: :lol:

[Coola Yagami]

I don't like his design but I like even less that enough whining on the internet can actually cause a movie to be delayed.

That's pretty much their fault. If that was the design they were really gonna go with, the one some Hollywood type actually looked at and approved, they deserve all the backlash that they got for being so stupid.

Either that or have them go create their own character instead of bastardizing a pre-existing one.

[sdp]

You say this after saying that this movie could beat out Detective Pikachu in box office? That sorta goes against your belief. The target audience is indeed children but they won't be nearly enough to help the film in that regard. Knowing Sonic fans, they're going to watch this film whether they're against it or not because that's what they do.

It doesn't go against my belief. Granted beating out Detective Pikachu might've been an outlandish claim and maybe not realistic but I stand by it. Being more profitable I can say that's more realistic.

Manchildren going to the cinemas did not help Detective Pikachu and tons of kid only movies with no appeal to "geek culture" do just fine, even if they're revivals, look at the Alvin, Smurfs and others that are also based on old properties yet no fandom of those IPs went to see the movies, only kids. If we talk about adults, the autistic Sonic fans will go see the movie regardless, the youtubers/click bait sites will go just to crap on it, casual sonic fans were not going to watch the movie no matter what so this delay does nothing, it's only costing the studio more money which hurts the chances of it making its money back.

[Cure]

That's pretty much their fault. If that was the design they were really gonna go with, the one some Hollywood type actually looked at and approved, they deserve all the backlash that they got for being so stupid.

Either that or have them go create their own character instead of bastardizing a pre-existing one.

Yeah, of course people like you would support **** like that and not see the bigger picture.

[ZariusTwo]

look at the Alvin, Smurfs and others that are also based on old properties yet no fandom of those IPs went to see the movies, only kids

Perhaps very tellingly, the third Smurfs movie was made more for the fans (classic animation designs, no humans beyond Gargamel) and bombed.

[Sobble]

It doesn't go against my belief. Granted beating out Detective Pikachu might've been an outlandish claim and maybe not realistic but I stand by it. Being more profitable I can say that's more realistic.

Manchildren going to the cinemas did not help Detective Pikachu and tons of kid only movies with no appeal to "geek culture" do just fine, even if they're revivals, look at the Alvin, Smurfs and others that are also based on old properties yet no fandom of those IPs went to see the movies, only kids. If we talk about adults, the autistic Sonic fans will go see the movie regardless, the youtubers/click bait sites will go just to crap on it, casual sonic fans were not going to watch the movie no matter what so this delay does nothing, it's only costing the studio more money which hurts the chances of it making its money back.

Alvin does have a fanbase

Albeit a bad and cancerous one at most

[Coola Yagami]

Also, did anyone really want a Smurfs movie? They were most likely also burnt by the 2 previous live action ones to care about the third.

[Wildcat]

I actually went to the first Chipmunks in theaters. Saw it with my sister because she liked them growing up. We both did.

We both thought the movie was fine. It was entertaining and they were cute. It got 2 more so I’m sure it did well enough.

Box office or perceived (online) perception are nothing to go by. Overall popularity (like I’ve said naysayers are just more vocal), home release and merchandise are important factors.

It’s why I’m never surprised to see any supposed “flop” get a sequel. Even without backlash I’m sure Sonic would have done fine. Probably better now.

[Xav]

We both thought the movie was fine. It was entertaining and they were cute. It got 2 more so I’m sure it did well enough.I got 3 sequels. How could you forget, The Road Chip?

[TigerClaw]

I hope the movie gets sequels. Because i would love to see Metal Sonic and Shadow.

[Wildcat]

I got 3 sequels. How could you forget, The Road Chip?Oh ya 3. Forgot. I’ve actually seen all of them. Not in theaters. I thought only the first 2 were entertaining. I guess Roadchip was ok.

[Sobble]

All this Alvin talk reminds me of a video I saw on YouTube where one of the chippettes or whatever singing let it go from frozen

Yep this was a real video I remember and don't want to go back to it (IF IT HASNT BEEN DELETED)

[Papenbrook]

I hope the movie gets sequels. Because i would love to see Metal Sonic and Shadow.

It won't.

Come Valentine's Day, this garbage will explode.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

It won't.

Come Valentine's Day, this garbage will explode.

Not a very nice way to speak about your only valentine :ohwell:

[Papenbrook]

Oh please, I'd rather dine-n'-date with a broken toaster. :lol:

Edit:

It looks like someone ( a certain fan of Sonic, perhaps) has officially joined the composition team! (https://mobile.twitter.com/RealSonicVideos/status/1135284225622585345?p=v)

Good luck, buddy! :D

[Papenbrook]

This Sonic Movie Fiasco has even gotten offline NEWSPAPERS to look into it.



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D7aRZTnXsAAu7Wa.jpg:large (https://mobile.twitter.com/MonadoBoy16/status/1132252226087477248?p=v)




On a similar note, the old movie design was apparently seventy-percent "improved." ( Whatever that means ... )



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D8u7SHNWwAAXC89.jpg:large (https://mobile.twitter.com/Drawingdestiny1/status/1138209269910843393?p=v)

[Papenbrook]

Well, they've officially changed it's release date.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D-WbS-1XkAY-rz8.jpg:large (https://mobile.twitter.com/blur_sain/status/1145492433062510592?p=v)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D-pO6ykWsAEC1EV.jpg:large ("https://mobile.twitter.com/a_hyperactive/status/1146815837631897600?p=v)



Now, if they had only changed its poster as well ...

[Papenbrook]

Also, choice words from an executive producer ... (https://variety.com/2019/film/features/director-tim-miller-terminator-dark-fate-comic-con-1203262797/)



- You’re an executive producer on “Sonic the Hedgehog,” which was also due out in November but pushed to redesign the main character after fans protested. How was that experience?

Miller: When “Sonic” arrived, the director, Jeff Fowler, was the best guy to do it. The redesign? Look, I was with fans and so was Jeff. This is a franchise, and it has to be great. When the s–t hit the fan, I went over there and said, “The most important thing to do, man, is say, ‘I f–ked up.’” He’d already sent a tweet out an hour before I got there. He’s a good man. It was exactly the right way to handle that. The fans have a voice in this too. There’s a right way to listen.

- Have you seen any of the character redesign?

Miller: In fact I have. And I think the fans will be pleased.




Let us hope that you're right, Miller. For our sake .... (https://mobile.twitter.com/TvsNmovies/status/1147460549355155457?p=v)

[Papenbrook]

An uplifting update from the dashing actor himself (https://m.ign.com/articles/2019/07/20/live-action-sonic-the-hedgehog-actor-says-hes-excited-about-characters-redesign), ...

Just (https://mobile.twitter.com/sonicmovie?lang=en) ... Fascinating (https://mobile.twitter.com/TailsChannel/status/1149676468999319553/photo/1) ... some good stuff (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D_R4pWjX4AASPA0.jpg:large) ...

[The Deadman]

Here's What Jim Carrey Had To Say About The Sonic Remodel
https://www.gameinformer.com/gamer-culture/2019/08/02/heres-what-jim-carrey-had-to-say-about-the-sonic-remodel

[Wildcat]

Those were exactly my points. How many complaining genuinely cared and how many were just trashing because it was the latest internet thing? Also about viewers influencing what was already official.

The second trailer would probably have been out already. I’m sure he would have been portrayed better. As in a better light. Plus it was bound to be somewhat jarring at first in live action.

And no Pikachu, TMNT, the chipmunks, Garfield, Yogi Bear, Transformers, Smurfs and whatever else I’m missing are not comparable because their are specific reasons why they all translated differently.

You think Sonic won’t still have some weirdness to him with his fleshy face and upright body covered in fur? I’m guessing he will.

[The Deadman]

Those were exactly my points. How many complaining genuinely cared and how many were just trashing because it was the latest internet thing? Also about viewers influencing what was already official.

The second trailer would probably have been out already. I’m sure he would have been portrayed better. As in a better light. Plus it was bound to be somewhat jarring at first in live action.

And no Pikachu, TMNT, the chipmunks, Garfield, Yogi Bear, Transformers, Smurfs and whatever else I’m missing are not comparable because their are specific reasons why they all translated differently.

You think Sonic won’t still have some weirdness to him with his fleshy face and upright body covered in fur? I’m guessing he will.

A lot of this was definitely going on, mainly by one person in here :lol:

[TigerClaw]

Those were exactly my points. How many complaining genuinely cared and how many were just trashing because it was the latest internet thing? Also about viewers influencing what was already official.

The second trailer would probably have been out already. I’m sure he would have been portrayed better. As in a better light. Plus it was bound to be somewhat jarring at first in live action.

And no Pikachu, TMNT, the chipmunks, Garfield, Yogi Bear, Transformers, Smurfs and whatever else I’m missing are not comparable because their are specific reasons why they all translated differently.

You think Sonic won’t still have some weirdness to him with his fleshy face and upright body covered in fur? I’m guessing he will.
Also Sonic is not from this world. So he will definitely look like something we haven't seen before. Hopefully the movie explains his origin really well. Since a lot of the older games and TV shows from the 90s simply explained that he's from the Planet Mobius. a Planet populated by animal people. Sonic Adventures and Sonic X went with the idea that's he's from another dimension.

So this movie could go to either of those routes in explaining the origin.

[Papenbrook]

Here's What Jim Carrey Had To Say About The Sonic Remodel
https://www.gameinformer.com/gamer-culture/2019/08/02/heres-what-jim-carrey-had-to-say-about-the-sonic-remodel




"I don’t know quite how I feel about the audience being in on the creation of it while it’s happening. So, we’ll have to see what that entails, because sometimes you find that the collective consciousness decides it wants something, and then when it get it, it goes, 'Okay. I just wanted it. I didn’t care about it. I just jumped on the bandwagon’ or whatever.'"




I partially agree with Carrey.

[The Deadman]

What part, the part that you're complaining just to do it?

[Papenbrook]

Here's a picture of cancelled, never-to-be-released ice toppers.



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EAfePcNXUAEUQ39?format=png&name=large (https://mobile.twitter.com/TailsChannel/status/1155136192565919744)




God, are they horrifying .....

[oldmanwinters]

Woah, that running figure looks like something from Salvador Dali.

[Wildcat]

Those figures were shown days ago. They were supposed to be available at theaters I guess. They’re unfinished obviously but I think they look decent for simple display.

The merchandise thing is really interesting me. Like how fast did they have to redo things and what, if any, first design stuff will be released anyway? Were manufacturers upset they had to restart production?

There’s going to be plushies. Some must be made already. There was a pic awhile back listing this in their line up. I think that company made claw toys.

Despite popular belief first design stuff will probably be collectible because of their limited run or non-availability. Whatever people happen to find online or in stores.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

I don't think that the final "re-design" will be much different.

I liked the original design actually, for how it was both giggles and nightmare fuel at the same time.

I'd take it over the garbage Lion King photo-realistic CG animals anyday.

[TigerClaw]

Adi Shankar responds to Jim Carrey's comments about the Sonic The Hedgehog redesign.
https://screenrant.com/sonic-hedgehog-redesign-response-adi-shankar-jim-carrey/

[Papenbrook]

Adi Shankar responds to Jim Carrey's comments about the Sonic The Hedgehog redesign.
https://screenrant.com/sonic-hedgehog-redesign-response-adi-shankar-jim-carrey/




Dear Jim,


The audience isn’t “in on the creation” of the film you acted in. Sonic the Hedgehog was already created, decades ago. This film you lended your talents to adapted him incorrectly. It’s this perspective that Hollywood is entitled to dismantle iconography as it sees fit and reassemble it in ways that often bear little resemblance to the source that has led to the friction between gamers and the film industry.


Best,

Adi





Ooooh. I gotta agree with him there.

[sdp]

I agree with Jim Carey.

[Coola Yagami]

I agree with Jim Carey.

Of course you would.

I say do it right or don't do it at all.

[Wildcat]

Adi Shankar is wrong and just sounds like a smart alec.

Paramount and whatever studio is adapting a pre existing franchise ARE making an official part of that property. They have the license and go ahead.

If you’re gonna use that argument then nothing should ever count unless it comes directly from the original creators.

Saying Hollywood has entitlement to dismantle iconic franchises is more of that tired notion that studios purposely mess around so they can make whatever they want.

The design aside (which was fine even if it came off kinda weird) nobody can say the movie bears little resemblance to the source when we’ve only seen a trailer.

Some things are bound to be different but every incarnation has differences. There’s Classic, Modern, Boom, Comics, Cartoons and now the movie universe.

[Coola Yagami]

Adi Shankar is wrong and just sounds like a smart alec.

Paramount and whatever studio is adapting a pre existing franchise ARE making an official part of that property. They have the license and go ahead.

If you’re gonna use that argument then nothing should ever count unless it comes directly from the original creators.

Saying Hollywood has entitlement to dismantle iconic franchises is more of that tired notion that studios purposely mess around so they can make whatever they want.

The design aside (which was fine even if it came off kinda weird) nobody can say the movie bears little resemblance to the source when we’ve only seen a trailer.

Some things are bound to be different but every incarnation has differences. There’s Classic, Modern, Boom, Comics, Cartoons and now the movie universe.

IDK... you have to admit there's a certain level of arrogance and disrespect when someone acquired a pre-existing property and decides 'you know what, it sucks and it's wrong, my way is better!'

They might as well have just created their own character then.

[Wildcat]

IDK... you have to admit there's a certain level of arrogance and disrespect when someone acquired a pre-existing property and decides 'you know what, it sucks and it's wrong, my way is better!'

They might as well have just created their own character then.How is that even happening here? They’ve literally gone out of their way to make it more appealing to those complaining.

Even if they stuck with the first design all we’ve seen is a trailer about 3 minutes that actually does show things in common with the source material.

I think there’s some sarcasm in his comments by describing it as dismantling. Sure movies based on games don’t have a perfect track record but some have actually been successful.

I looked him up because I couldn’t remember but he was behind wanting to rewrite or write out Apu from the Simpsons. He’s doing exactly what he’s complaining about...changing something well established.

[TurtleTitan97]

The design aside (which was fine even if it came off kinda weird) nobody can say the movie bears little resemblance to the source when we’ve only seen a trailer.


Uh, yes we can. The fact that they're choosing to set this film in our world instead of Sonic's is a pretty big deviation from the source material. If what you were saying was even true, it should be receiving the same about of praise Detective Pikachu got, if not more. People don't just hate the design, they hated the whole setting and premise as well. We don't need to pay to see the entire film when it's obvious this is going to be a vastly different take on Sonic.

[Shark_Blade]

I agree with them both.

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

Uh, yes we can. The fact that they're choosing to set this film in our world instead of Sonic's is a pretty big deviation from the source material. If what you were saying was even true, it should be receiving the same about of praise Detective Pikachu got, if not more. People don't just hate the design, they hated the whole setting and premise as well. We don't need to pay to see the entire film when it's obvious this is going to be a vastly different take on Sonic.

Well, technically there is some resemblance;The Games after sonic adventure seemed to take place in a world that is a hybrid of our world and the games. And Sonic X is technically Sonic and the others from his world coming to ours.

Which leads me to ask; if the wanted a sonic on Earth story, they should have made an adaptation of Sonic X ( Without Chis's annoying-ness) :lol:

[Papenbrook]

Yeah, I can understand where they are both coming from.

On one hand, people ( mostly fans ) can't expect to have everything be faithful, at least from their perspective. They can't force an entity to cater/pander to their vision of what's faithful/fair to them. Some things need to be reconsidered or even changed in order for the intended audience to adapt/understand what they're viewing. They ( i.e., the fans ) need to learn to let it go sometimes, and stop demonizing/stargazing every perceived grievance they have towards every piece of every given media that they will ( or most likely, will not ) consume.

On the other hand, what I have seen of the upcoming Sonic film is so distorted that not only I, but many others, even outside of the fandom and beyond, have had to call out the producers/executives. There is no reason why Sonic should look like a terribly, horrifically, bootleg version of himself. There is no reason why the film should have to be centered around a cop, in the middle of nowhere, and on planet Earth. That's just ... feigning ignorance/unwillingness at that point.

It doesn't matter whether Iizuka allowed it, encouraged it, or even pushed it to be as different from the origin as possible. It's still ridiculously unfaithful to the source material, and it's making potential consumers and willing fans turn away.

[TurtleTitan97]

And Sonic X is technically Sonic and the others from his world coming to ours.


Sonic X is also acknowledge as a mediocre anime at best by most Sonic fans. What's your point?

[ZariusTwo]

Sonic X is also acknowledge as a mediocre anime at best by most Sonic fans. What's your point?

It had a pretty good bonus season though (the one where they went to space)

[Coola Yagami]

Yeah, I can understand where they are both coming from.

On one hand, people (mostly fans) can't expect to have everything be faithful, at least from their perspective. They can't force an entity to cater/pander to their vision of what's faithful/fair to them. Some things need to be reconsidered or even changed in order for the intended audience to adapt/understand what they're viewing. They (the fans) need to learn to let it go sometimes, and stop demonizing/stargazing every perceived grievance they have towards every piece of given media that they will (or most likely, will not) consume.

On the other hand, what I have seen of the upcoming Sonic film is so distorted that not only I, but many others, outside of the fandomhave had to call out the producers/executives. There is no reason why Sonic should look that terribly horrific.

Whether Iizuka allowed it, or even pushed it to be as different from the origin as possible, doesn't matter. It's still ridiculously unfaithful to the source material.

Either that or just accept it doesn't work and go for an animated movie.

[Papenbrook]

Let's just hope that the movie people, the willing critics, and the sensationalistic journalists don't try to turn this whole controversy into some sort of threat.

I would hate for someone to get hurt in all of this.

[Xav]

Ooooh. I gotta agree with him there.Ironic, coming from someone who's Power Rangers fan film bearded little resemblance to the source.

[The Deadman]

Ooooh. I gotta agree with him there.

You're agreeing with a guy who wanted to give an adult spin on the Power Rangers that isnt even close to the source material.

[The Deadman]

It doesn't matter whether Iizuka allowed it, encouraged it, or even pushed it to be as different from the origin as possible. It's still ridiculously unfaithful to the source material, and it's making potential consumers and willing fans turn away.

The source material is literally a hedgehog trying to stop a madman from taking over the world.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

I never understood the "faithful to the source material arguement".

As long as the new property is fun and entertaining, I'm all for it, whether it borrows from the source or not.

[TurtleTitan97]

I never understood the "faithful to the source material arguement".

As long as the new property is fun and entertaining, I'm all for it, whether it borrows from the source or not.

It's exactly that line of thinking why we keep getting garbage movie adaptations of video games. No offense.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

It's exactly that line of thinking why we keep getting garbage movie adaptations of video games. No offense.

Well, the Super Mario movie is 'garbage', but its hugely enjoyable garbage nonetheless.

[ZariusTwo]

Well, the Super Mario movie is 'garbage', but its hugely enjoyable garbage nonetheless.

Also has a great Roxette song for the soundtrack.

[Sumac]

Well, the Super Mario movie is 'garbage', but its hugely enjoyable garbage nonetheless.
The funny thing is that Nintendo themselves were completely on board with making "darker" and more mature version of the Mario in the movie. So it wasn't a whim of the director or producer.

[Wildcat]

The source material argument is the weakest argument of all. I mean I know people just do it as an excuse to further criticize something but still.

Sonic Adventure, SA2, ‘06, Unleashed and Forces all take place on Earth with us on it (I think a couple others do too). They just never explain how or why Sonic and his friends came here.

So ignore the cartoons and comics if you want but several of the mainline games have already done it.

And even if the movie was the first that does not somehow make it wrong. It’d just be a different setting since he apparently left his planet for some reason.

[TigerClaw]

The source material argument is the weakest argument of all. I mean I know people just do it as an excuse to further criticize something but still.

Sonic Adventure, SA2, ‘06, Unleashed and Forces all take place on Earth with us on it (I think a couple others do too). They just never explain how or why Sonic and his friends came here.

So ignore the cartoons and comics if you want but several of the mainline games have already done it.

And even if the movie was the first that does not somehow make it wrong. It’d just be a different setting since he apparently left his planet for some reason.
I really hope the Planet he came from is called Mobius. Its something some of us old school Sonic fans would love.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

It had a pretty good bonus season though (the one where they went to space)

I thought it was the weakest of the three seasons.

Well, the Super Mario movie is 'garbage', but its hugely enjoyable garbage nonetheless.

I think that had more to do with the film itself, while still pretty bad, was a product of it's time and the fact that Mario was still new as a franchise.

[The Deadman]

I really hope the Planet he came from is called Mobius. Its something some of us old school Sonic fans would love.

That's like the 20th time you said this. We get it.

[TigerClaw]

That's like the 20th time you said this. We get it.
And I'll continue to say it. ;)

[Skinrash]

I never understood the "faithful to the source material arguement".

As long as the new property is fun and entertaining, I'm all for it, whether it borrows from the source or not.

Well, if you are making a movie based on an existing property your movie should share some similarities with whatever you're adapting, remaking or making a sequel to. Otherwise you are more or less doing false advertising and might as well just make something original.

Of course, you don't have to do make it a 100 percent faithful(like the Psycho remake), but you should find a middle ground and create something that resembles the source material overall.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Well, if you are making a movie based on an existing property your movie should share some similarities with whatever you're adapting, remaking or making a sequel to. Otherwise you are more or less doing false advertising and might as well just make something original.

Of course, you don't have to do make it a 100 percent faithful(like the Psycho remake), but you should find a middle ground and create something that resembles the source material overall.

Well on principle, a remake/adaption/sequel will always be faithful to its source material to some extent, whether it be just the title and most basic concepts, or a shot for shot, because whoever is making said film found something worth adapting in the first place.

[Papenbrook]

Now that they're re-animating Sonic, does anyone know how much the film would cost now?

It's currently budgeted at $90-million.

[TigerClaw]

Someone claims to have seen the movie at a Test Screening. This person describes the Movie as the 2014 TMNT Movie. But good. Take this with a grain of salt.
https://www.reddit.com/r/SonicTheMovie/comments/cqq7rd/saw_the_movie_a_while_back/

[Wildcat]

Sounds good if it’s true. It sounds like it.

Sonic is prominently the main character - good but odd he feels the others were not in their movies.

He gets sent away in the intro - maybe a flashback on his planet

An iconic SA2 scene but says from 1 - gonna assume 2 because part 1 was dedicated to water/chaos and what wasn’t is not necessarily “iconic”.

I can only think of a City Escape sequence. Everything else seems game specific and would not fit. Also because he mentions a highway scene which was brought up in another leak.

No toilet humor - good. Someone mentioned he floss dances before. That does not bother me but some will cherrypick it for complaining if it’s true.

[ZariusTwo]

The guy doesn't seem to be a Sonic authority, by his own admission he's just a casual fan who's only played a handful of games and seen Sonic X.

[Voltron]

Someone claims to have seen the movie at a Test Screening. This person describes the Movie as the 2014 TMNT Movie. But good. Take this with a grain of salt.


A grain of salt, indeed. This can be said about literally anything that sucked.

"Think of it like Ghost Rider. . . but good."

[ZariusTwo]

"Think of it like Ghost Rider. . . but good."

That'd be Agents of SHIELD:P

[Papenbrook]

Someone claims to have seen the movie at a Test Screening. This person describes the Movie as the 2014 TMNT Movie. But good. Take this with a grain of salt.
https://www.reddit.com/r/SonicTheMovie/comments/cqq7rd/saw_the_movie_a_while_back/

Yeah, that's ... really reassuring, TigerClaw. :roll:

Anyway, here's an alleged sneak peek from the Sonic Movie.



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D-ffKAGWwAAdoIy?format=png&name=large (https://mobile.twitter.com/MiguelLobos14/status/1146130082597154819)

It's ... yeah ....




And Also, the Sega of Europe president, Gary Dale, has stated this (https://www.gamespot.com/articles/sonic-movie-sega-europe-president-thinks-that-tryi/1100-6469102/):



"Obviously we have a very deep knowledge of the character and the brand. [Paramount] has a very deep knowledge of how to make movies. The trick is just to bring those two skillsets together to make the best film we can."




Sure, Mr. Dale. Suuuree ...

On a lighter note, it looks like Tyson Hesse ( of Sonic Mania fame ) may have helped out in redesigning Sonic (https://mobile.twitter.com/GamerStyleMX/status/1169701483761340416).

[Papenbrook]

A new promotional poster has just been placed up ... in Russia.



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EGHRze6WwAEbQYF?format=jpg&name=large (https://mobile.twitter.com/SofiaTH17/status/1180455275662381057)




They're not even trying anymore, are they? Good grief. :roll:

[TurtleTitan97]

The redesign for Sonic has allegedly leaked online:

https://i.redd.it/36t0lqencls31.jpg

Not perfect, but if this is actually legit it's still a major improvement over the first look.

[TigerClaw]

The redesign for Sonic has allegedly leaked online:

https://i.redd.it/36t0lqencls31.jpg

Not perfect, but if this is actually legit it's still a major improvement over the first look.
That is totally fake.

[Papenbrook]

Source of Image (https://mobile.twitter.com/BestInTheGalaxy/status/1183882889081044992):



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EG3_NiBX4AEmnNX?format=jpg&name=medium

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EG3_NiBWoAAYKtE?format=jpg&name=medium

[TurtleTitan97]

That is totally fake.

That's why said "allegedly".

I know you're a little slow TigerClaw but try to keep up, m'kay?

[Wildcat]

Looks nice but a bit cartoonish. Like not the style of cgi they were using I mean. Probably not real anyway.

If I may vent a little. I’m very tired of waiting for him to be revealed...again. Ive tried to guess for when they might show the next trailer and nothing.

First I thought August because it was 6 months to February and the first trailer was 6 months before.

I thought maybe after the Terminator trailer because that had a special date so I understood why that’d come first and it’s also Paramount.

Then I thought NY Comic Con or afterwards to not be overshadowed by any of those announcements and also not to “step on their toes”.

Paramount’s other movie called The Rhythm Section was also delayed and only recently got a full trailer which is the 3 month period to that release.

Soooo. The absolute shortest time a movie can be promoted is 3 months apparently. That could mean Sonic might not be shown til around November 14.

That would be 6 months from delay to update. It makes sense and honestly I don’t blame them for holding out after how people reacted.

Sure they could at least show a picture of him but they might think...well you crapped all over our work and we changed him for you so now we’re gonna wait til we’re good and ready.

Plus being delayed and retooled is out of the norm. I know movies get delayed for different reasons but thats what I mean it turned into a whole situation.

[TigerClaw]

Looks nice but a bit cartoonish. Like not the style of cgi they were using I mean. Probably not real anyway.

If I may vent a little. I’m very tired of waiting for him to be revealed...again. Ive tried to guess for when they might show the next trailer and nothing.

First I thought August because it was 6 months to February and the first trailer was 6 months before.

I thought maybe after the Terminator trailer because that had a special date so I understood why that’d come first and it’s also Paramount.

Then I thought NY Comic Con or afterwards to not be overshadowed by any of those announcements and also not to “step on their toes”.

Paramount’s other movie called The Rhythm Section was also delayed and only recently got a full trailer which is the 3 month period to that release.

Soooo. The absolute shortest time a movie can be promoted is 3 months apparently. That could mean Sonic might not be shown til around November 14.

That would be 6 months from delay to update. It makes sense and honestly I don’t blame them for holding out after how people reacted.

Sure they could at least show a picture of him but they might think...well you crapped all over our work and we changed him for you so now we’re gonna wait til we’re good and ready.

Plus being delayed and retooled is out of the norm. I know movies get delayed for different reasons but thats what I mean it turned into a whole situation.
Yeah definitely looks too cartoonish. And it doesn't match everything when you put that next to the live action actors.

I didn't buy this image the moment I saw it. People are so desperate that they will believe anything that's posted on Social Media.

We'll see the redesign if and when Paramount releases a new trailer.

[ZariusTwo]

We'll see the redesign if and when Paramount releases a new trailer.

Things leak. Your lord and masters can't dictate everything.

[TigerClaw]

Things leak. Your lord and masters can't dictate everything.
All those leaks don't even add up. If you look at the recent one. You can see a Mouse Cursor between Sonic. That is most definitely something that was photoshoped.

[ZariusTwo]

Yeah definitely looks too cartoonish. And it doesn't match everything when you put that next to the live action actors

Sonic ought to be more cartoonish, as for putting it next to the live action actors, so what? Some of the most memorable movies of the 80s and 90s (Roger Rabbit and Space Jam) had fully animated characters posing next to live-action actors.

[Wildcat]

Well I think it is actually from the studio just maybe not the final redesign. All the pics leading up the first time didn’t really match the trailer or posters. Could be close though.

If it is I’m pretty surprised they made such a massive change. I was thinking they’d just tune him to look a bit more game-ish like increase his eyes and such. This would be a full blown redo.

Makes me wonder even more how it affects the merchandise.

As for fitting into the real world. Can’t really go by the pics alone. I don’t think he’s too cartoonish just more so than I thought they wanted to go. I’m sure he’ll look good either way.

[Papenbrook]

I still feel that the whole "design" fiasco could set a horrific precedent going forward.

If given to the wrong hands, movies ( and other forms of entertainment/media, ) could be subjugated to the whims of an increasingly violate/inconsistent audience on social networks/websites.

Lack of moderation and increase in social instability, especially online, could make creators feel alienated in their quest to provide entertainment while keeping their artistic vision intact. Communication, particularly unregulated, could easily be distorted, exaggerated, or even faked. Nonetheless, creators could feel pressured/threatened into altering their creation, while giving up their original vision in the process.

Someday, they would have to completely give up their artistic freedom. They would no longer be able to create/invent new material; entertainment, or hell, pretty much anything, would be stifled or reversed. It will feel stagnant.

That's ... a pretty depressing thought. I don't want this movie to become the precursor/harbinger of that thought.

[TigerClaw]

Sonic ought to be more cartoonish, as for putting it next to the live action actors, so what? Some of the most memorable movies of the 80s and 90s (Roger Rabbit and Space Jam) had fully animated characters posing next to live-action actors.
You're missing the point. The filmmakers want Sonic to be as real as possible. Like he exist in our world. He's not gonna look like some cell shaded character. They are going to do what they done with Detective Pikachu.

[Papenbrook]

At this point, I actually feel bad for Fowler. I'm sure he didn't mean for it to come to this.

[TigerClaw]

Ben Schwartz just tweeted this.
https://twitter.com/rejectedjokes/status/1184228291277803520

A Sonic director, producer and actor getting real excited for February.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EG85LbKVAAAKk0X?format=jpg&name=small

Its interesting that he tweeted that the day after the leaks. So do you think a new Trailer is soon?

[Papenbrook]

We must be getting new content soon.

We're on the edge of our seats.

[raph27]

You're missing the point. The filmmakers want Sonic to be as real as possible. Like he exist in our world. He's not gonna look like some cell shaded character. They are going to do what they done with Detective Pikachu.

Live-action Pikachu wasn't ugly as sin though. OG live-action Sonic was based on a real hedgehog, live-action Pikachu wasn't just a yellow-colored mouse, he was Pikachu as we all know and love but with fur.

To be fair, I do think the redesigned Sonic looks pretty decent if it's real. Still can't save the movie though.

[Leo656]

You're missing the point. The filmmakers want Sonic to be as real as possible. Like he exist in our world.

Which is a bad decision and begs the question of "Why even make a Sonic movie?" if it bears no resemblance at all to the character as we know him.

"Oh, AWESOME! They're doing a Sonic the Hedgehog movie and it doesn't look or feel like Sonic AT ALL! I can't wait to see it!" :lol: :roll: Why would anyone do that?

And LMAO at "artistic vision" with regards to adapting a licensed children's property to film. There is nothing at all "creative" involved in such an endeavor; these projects are paint-by-numbers toy commercials. That being said, it only makes sense to skew towards the familiar. Otherwise, why bother at all? If you alienate the audience, you don't sell any toys, and the toys (NOT the tickets) are the reason they make these movies. Annoy the audience, they don't buy any plastic. Both of the recent TMNT films (and their non-existent toy sales) proved that in spades.

Frankly, I hope that leak is real. At least it looks, y'know, like Sonic.

[Papenbrook]

I'm more-or-less referring to original properties/works.

In the near future, an artist will have to alter, or even censor, part or all of their work.

I ... don't want to see that come to fruition.

[TigerClaw]

Which is a bad decision and begs the question of "Why even make a Sonic movie?" if it bears no resemblance at all to the character as we know him.

"Oh, AWESOME! They're doing a Sonic the Hedgehog movie and it doesn't look or feel like Sonic AT ALL! I can't wait to see it!" :lol: :roll: Why would anyone do that?

And LMAO at "artistic vision" with regards to adapting a licensed children's property to film. There is nothing at all "creative" involved in such an endeavor; these projects are paint-by-numbers toy commercials. That being said, it only makes sense to skew towards the familiar. Otherwise, why bother at all? If you alienate the audience, you don't sell any toys, and the toys (NOT the tickets) are the reason they make these movies. Annoy the audience, they don't buy any plastic. Both of the recent TMNT films (and their non-existent toy sales) proved that in spades.

Frankly, I hope that leak is real. At least it looks, y'know, like Sonic.
I don't really care what he looks like. I just wanna see the movie.

[Wildcat]

Which is a bad decision and begs the question of "Why even make a Sonic movie?" if it bears no resemblance at all to the character as we know him.

"Oh, AWESOME! They're doing a Sonic the Hedgehog movie and it doesn't look or feel like Sonic AT ALL! I can't wait to see it!" :lol: :roll: Why would anyone do that?

And LMAO at "artistic vision" with regards to adapting a licensed children's property to film. There is nothing at all "creative" involved in such an endeavor; these projects are paint-by-numbers toy commercials. That being said, it only makes sense to skew towards the familiar. Otherwise, why bother at all? If you alienate the audience, you don't sell any toys, and the toys (NOT the tickets) are the reason they make these movies. Annoy the audience, they don't buy any plastic. Both of the recent TMNT films (and their non-existent toy sales) proved that in spades.

Frankly, I hope that leak is real. At least it looks, y'know, like Sonic.You have the same attitude towards so many movies it’s hard to take seriously sometimes.

This is a 100% perfect example they did in fact care and went the extra mile to create something everyone could enjoy. They literally changed him quite significantly it seems. You’re just plain wrong with this.

Adapting a kids property or any franchise for that matter is not “paint-by-numbers”. That’s an insult to everyone who works on movies based on existing characters.

Is everything not made directly by its creator just a “paint by numbers” project then? No.

[Leo656]

You have the same attitude towards so many movies it’s hard to take seriously sometimes.

This is a 100% perfect example they did in fact care and went the extra mile to create something everyone could enjoy. They literally changed him quite significantly it seems. You’re just plain wrong with this.

Adapting a kids property or any franchise for that matter is not “paint-by-numbers”. That’s an insult to everyone who works on movies based on existing characters.

Is everything not made directly by its creator just a “paint by numbers” project then? No.

Oh, Jeebus. Give me a reason anyone on God's green Earth is making a SONIC THE HEDGEHOG MOVIE except to sell toys to children. For real, though. And it better be brilliant. Just, the best reason ever.

It's just to sell toys, man. That can be good, bad, or indifferent, depending on your point of view. But holy sh*t, don't be a mark, Mark.

Nobody - NOBODY! - made Alvin and the Chipmunks, Scooby-Doo, Smurfs, or SONIC THE HEDGEHOG into movies for any reason whatsoever except to sell plastic. End of story. Come up with a better reason if you think you can, it's still not the real reason they were made. Again, Good, Bad, Indifferent - facts are facts.

They were not trying to win awards, they were not trying to cure cancer, and they were NOT trying to exercise any kind of "artistic freedom" or "express themselves" in making these kinds of movies. Not one single person. Not ever. Holy sh*t. WOW.

I don't care if you or anyone likes movies that were only made to sell toys, because lots of people do and they can be harmless fun, but you HAVE to admit that's why they were made or else you're simply lying to everyone, most of all yourself. Don't do that. Liars are awful, awful people.
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AND, I wasn't commenting on the "new design" - which might be fake - I was replying to TigerClaw's opinion that it doesn't matter what Sonic looks like, and stating my opinion that his opinion is ridiculous - of course it should matter what Sonic looks like - not commenting on what's in that picture. Because that picture might be fake. Yes, what's in the picture is an improvement on what we saw six months ago, but it might be fake. Thus, I didn't comment on it.

TigerClaw said it doesn't matter what Sonic looks like, and I merely commented on what a terrible, nonsensical thing that is to say. And I think you actually agree with me. You just didn't actually read, or pay attention to, what I wrote. As usual.

Reading Comprehension, kids. I know that it's not generally practiced here, but it IS important.
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Also, no, you're right, I don't get a boner for every single terrible idea that gets a budget and a release date. You're absolutely right about that. Ideas have to justify themselves for me to become interested in them, and most things don't do that. I have far too much to do to waste my time on things I'm not all-in on. Maybe some of you have more free time than I do, that's your business, but I for one have sh*t to do, and I don't like to waste my time on some things, even if those things may have greater value to you than to me. I fail to see why, in your mind, that makes me a bad person. Don't feel sorry for me, guy; if anything, I'm the one feeling sorry for you. But I don't think either one of us is exactly qualified to pass judgment on how the other one spends their free time. So I'll thank you not to do that.

In short, I'll make you a deal: Don't try and demonize my God-given right to my honest and well-earned cynicism, and in return, I won't demonize your unnecessary forgiveness and enthusiasm for objectively terrible movies. We can make that deal, or we can simply not speak to each other. That's entirely up to you.

[Wildcat]

@Leo656.

First of all I honestly was not trying to pick on you or start an argument. I’m pretty sure you can tell by my posting I don’t do that. Mainly because I want to be taken seriously and trolling or messing around on forums contradicts that. I’ve seen users elsewhere where they clearly just made an account to rile stuff up or criticize everything.

About the movie. Sonic himself was created to make money, sell the Genesis and compete with Mario. So complaining the movie is somehow more so in-the-wrong for existing makes no sense. Then absolutely nothing should ever be adapted, licensed or continued because...well it’s just a meaningless cash-cow?

Characters become popular and series become franchises. It’s just what happens. They evolve and turn into more than gimmicks. There’s nothing wrong with this-or-that getting made based on those things.

You might think that everyone involved in a given movie gives 0 thought to anything but a paycheck but people actually do care (maybe some more than others). Otherwise what’s the point of getting a job in entertainment?

That goes for most careers. You get a job in that field because you like that field.

I understood what you were saying to Tigerclaw. I think it was just sarcasm saying it didn’t matter how Sonic looked. Anyway I know you were not commenting on the new pictures. My reply to you was about how you turn almost everything into a deception.

Awhile back the director from Dredd, I think, commented on Sonic and criticized the industry in general about not caring enough about fandoms. I just do not see how that applies at all here when they specifically redid him for people.

Will the new design be better? Most likely ya even if it’s not these pics. Although they seem pretty legitimate. Still there is something to be said about letting backlash dictate your work. I agree with Jim Carrey. It depends. Even if it is just a “silly ol kids movie”

[TigerClaw]

My biggest issue is how some people think they have complete ownership of a character. Same can be said about TMNT.

I believe that these filmmakers have a clear vision for it. If it doesn't match up with your own vision of Sonic. Then maybe its time to look elsewhere.

I'm at a point where i give zero Fs about any designs. Just make the movie and I'll see it. I'm not the kind of person who just goes out and lash out over the way fictionalized characters look.

I think Jim Carrey is right about all this.

[TigerClaw]

So this is interesting. Apparently a famous Youtuber in Spain will be the voice of Movie Sonic in Latin America. He posted a video bragging about being the voice of Movie Sonic. Even showing what looks like a page from a script.
https://twitter.com/TomXDReactor/status/1184916010010316800

[IMJ]

Which is a bad decision and begs the question of "Why even make a Sonic movie?" if it bears no resemblance at all to the character as we know him.

Any and every time a movie has been made with an off-world IP and Hollywood has tried to cram it on to Earth, it's been a disaster. Masters of the Universe. Mario Bros Earth-2 weirdness. Any other movie ever. ....

A live action Sonic probably should be on Sonic's world with one live action actor - Jim Carey as the crazy Doctor guy and that's it.

[Leo656]

My reply to you was about how you turn almost everything into a deception.


Taking things at face value is a mistake.

Taking people at their word is a mistake.

Thinking that anyone does anything for any reason other than money is a mistake.

Everything is a conspiracy and there are ALWAYS sinister motives. Always.

If you live in the Real World, you understand these things. If you feel otherwise, you've simply led an impossibly sheltered and easy life. Be grateful, but don't think that anything you believe is actually true. It's not. There is no Santa Claus, and people only do things for money. End of story.

Have a nice day.

[TurtleTitan97]

Looks like the leaked design was legit. Someone just posted this image of a theater standee on Twitter:


https://i.redd.it/9w0airix50v31.png

[Wildcat]

Wow I thought the shoes were the 1 thing that would not change being Pumas. I guess Puma could still make his traditional shoes in real life. They might have anyway since they have the license.

[Papenbrook]

What's with all the leaks lately?! :-? Good grief!

Anyway, I'm sensing a delay ...

[Coola Yagami]

Honestly see no issue with the redesign. Sonic is just too cartoonish a design to work in real life. Despite their efforts to make him realistic, the first design still looked like a weird cartoon character co-existing with real world people. If he's gonna look like a weird 'he's not really there' cartoon character in s live action movie no matter what design you give him, you might as well give it up and just go with something closer to his actual design.

[Wildcat]

I wonder if there was some kind of small rewrite because in the first trailer we see he wore out a bunch of shoes and stuck with the red Pumas.

Now giving him his signature shoes that look custom made that would negate why he had the other ones.

Puma could have agreed to the change or just said stick our logo on and we’ll make them real but still how does he get them in the movie?

[Voltron]

Nobody - NOBODY! - made Alvin and the Chipmunks, Scooby-Doo, Smurfs, or SONIC THE HEDGEHOG into movies for any reason whatsoever except to sell plastic. End of story. Come up with a better reason if you think you can, it's still not the real reason they were made. Again, Good, Bad, Indifferent - facts are facts.


Really? Because I could've SWORE Alvin and the Chipmunks was some kind of CIA experiment to see if the government could get entire audiences to commit suicide en masse. True ****.

[Andrew NDB]

Which is a bad decision and begs the question of "Why even make a Sonic movie?" if it bears no resemblance at all to the character as we know him.

"Oh, AWESOME! They're doing a Sonic the Hedgehog movie and it doesn't look or feel like Sonic AT ALL! I can't wait to see it!" :lol: :roll: Why would anyone do that?

I think the idea with something like a Sonic the Hedgehog movie is not to make a movie that will make hardcore Sonic the Hedgehog video game fans go, "WOW! That's 100% video game accurate to those Sega Genesis games 30 years ago!" but to take the idea of Sonic the Hedgehog, look at what the core appeal of the character was at a particular point in time, and try to grow a movie around that. In this case, in live action (for whatever reason) so some considerations need to happen design-wise to make that look believable. Because there isn't like millions of Sonic fans under the age of 30 that would be lining up to see a 100% Sega Genesis accurate Sonic movie. There just isn't. Nor would such a thing necessarily sell itself. Maybe if it came out in 1993. Maybe.

Which isn't to say I don't 100% expect it to be a flat, unfunny and soulless affair... because I do. I'm just saying I get it.

[Papenbrook]

Here's what Tom Holkenborg had to say about this movie:

In summary (https://mobile.twitter.com/AndreTelevise/status/1190861450224517120):

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EIcMt6uXkAAtSK6?format=png&name=small (https://mobile.twitter.com/ODreamwalker/status/1190934617580343297)


Sure, Tom. Sure ... :roll:

EDIT: YET ANOTHER DESIGN HAS BEEN LEAKED!



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EIp3q-8W4AEupCl?format=jpg&name=small (https://mobile.twitter.com/SnideyMcCoolGuy/status/1191896637435731968)

[TigerClaw]

Another possible leak of the redesign for Movie Sonic.
https://twitter.com/SnideyMcCoolGuy/status/1191896637435731968

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EIp3q-8W4AEupCl.jpg:small

[Papenbrook]

How many MORE designs must they leak?! :o

[TigerClaw]

Here's a wider version of the image. You can see Eggman in the background.
https://twitter.com/TailsChannel/status/1191922182626017280

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EIqO5sKWsAA6YGp?format=jpg&name=small

[LeotheLateBloomer]

This definitely looks better. I'm still waiting on a trailer to see how it looks in motion.

[TigerClaw]

This definitely looks better. I'm still waiting on a trailer to see how it looks in motion.
Me too. People think its this week. But i highly doubt it. Because its not showing on that Alberta site as Classified. Only a trailer for this new Spongebob Squarepants movie.

[Wildcat]

I totally guessed the time frame of promotion. Wasn’t hard to figure out but if not this week trailer is definitely next and will probably play with Frozen 2.

I will admit even though I defended the first design (I still think it’s kinda cool) his redesign is perfect. He’s spot-on but not too cartoonish like some suggested having noodle limbs. He has shape and definition like an actual physical being.

I’m even thinking his arms should have always been blue. Does he have fur-less arms? In the context of being an animal limbs are typically the same.

Look at Garfield, Bugs Bunny, Felix the cat, Mickey Mouse and even Sonic’s friends. Only the face and/or stomach area are different colors to give them characteristics/tone.

[Turo602]

I’m even thinking his arms should have always been blue. Does he have fur-less arms? In the context of being an animal limbs are typically the same.

Look at Garfield, Bugs Bunny, Felix the cat, Mickey Mouse and even Sonic’s friends. Only the face and/or stomach area are different colors to give them characteristics/tone.

It was this kind of thinking that gave rise to Hitler.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

New design is serviceable, but not that special imo.

Say what you want about how horrific the 1st trailer's design was, but that Sonic was anything but forgettable.

[Turo602]

New design is serviceable, but not that special imo.

Say what you want about how horrific the 1st trailer's design was, but that Sonic was anything but forgettable.

Is that supposed to be some kind of compliment? Because people don't usually forget trauma, and that's not exactly something to be proud of.

[ZariusTwo]

New design is serviceable, but not that special imo.

Say what you want about how horrific the 1st trailer's design was, but that Sonic was anything but forgettable.

Stop being contrarian and apologising for dogs*it. It bores us.

[drgon78]

Looks so much better, can't wait to finally see the new trailer.

[Papenbrook]

Here's a wider version of the image. You can see *Eggman* in the background.
https://twitter.com/TailsChannel/status/1191922182626017280

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EIqO5sKWsAA6YGp?format=jpg&name=small


I thought he was named "Robotnik", at least for this film. :-?

Has the story changed much?

[neatoman]

I thought he was named "Robotnik", at least for this film. :-?

Has the story changed much?

The trailer never actually stated what his name was. And I can't find any reliable source that definitively states what his name is in the movie. It also wouldn't really change the story, if they can reanimate the CG character after the trailer dropped, they can easy dub over the mentions of a name.

[Xav]

It was this kind of thinking that gave rise to Hitler.What's wrong with Hitler?

[TigerClaw]

Its happening. New Trailer for the Sonic Movie might drop tomorrow.
https://twitter.com/FandangoLatam/status/1193996968219033608

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EJHt6iZWoAUKM_t.jpg:small

It translates to. "The trailer of #SonicMovie arrive tomorrow Are you ready to see the new #Sonic ?"

[Papenbrook]

Oh boy..., well ...

Here we go, again. :roll:

[TigerClaw]

Hmm. Apparently they deleted the tweet. But it still shows up on there Youtube page.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBXuD1wUs0eaoyJcVq1ko1Q/community?lb=UgxqNP_PdBfytt4I-z94AaABCQ

[TigerClaw]

Here's the new Sonic The Hedgehog Movie Trailer

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New Poster

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EJKlA_RVAAEo91x?format=jpg&name=small

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Definitely a vast improvement. It still might not be a good movie but......the fact that someone went out of their way to appeal to the fans is actually an improvement. The fact that they listened and not say that the fans are wrong, the fact that they showed a care, this is something I will support. And I'll be honest while the movie may not be good, that was a pretty decent trailer. A pretty recognizable Sonic, no Gangsta's Paradise, Jim Carrey hamming it up even more......I'm sold.

[drgon78]

Well the new design is much better.

[TigerClaw]

Here's the new International Trailer for the Sonic Movie. It features some more footage.

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[Allio]

still looks like an awful movie.

[ZariusTwo]

still looks like an awful movie.

It actually...doesn't really, and I was very cynical about it after the first trailer. A lot more was shown that showed it has heart and generally pacey comedy, I laughed at every joke.

Maybe the design is helping with this, I don't know...but this feels a lot more like a Sonic movie I'd pay to see

[The Deadman]

Will be seeing on release

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

Personally? I think this looks fun. I laughed at the jokes, thought they had Sonic's personality handled pretty well, the design looks decent, and we get a story we haven't seen before in most media; Sonic's origin, and the blue blur meeting Robotnik for the first time.

I think this is a good way to introduce sonic to a new generation, rather than plopping him down in a cookie-cutter CGI animated film with all of his friends from the games, in a plot only game fans could follow or understand. I think it will be a decent movie- not a great one- but I will definitely go see this thing.

[Coola Yagami]

Looks like fun and they actually listened to the fans instead of insult them. The odd thing was, many people were actually upset they were fixing the movie when it was announced they were doing so, almost as if they'd rather have the movie producers insult them per usual. If only they listened to the fans and fixed the Bay TMNT designs and gave us a better movie.

Actually looks like a fun movie. I know deep down it's for toys or whatever, but it looks like a fun time.

Also glad they kept Dr Robotnik and not Eggman.

[TurtleTitan97]

It's an improvement over the first, but it's still no Detective Pikachu.

[Papenbrook]

Eh, it's ... alright, I guess ...

[CyberCubed]

That’s 1995 Jim Carrey alright. Amazing how he can still play his old self from like 25 years ago now.