Star Trek: Picard

[Andrew NDB]

I like to believe he is exactly like what he's like in his "Extras" role (as himself).

Can't find it on Youtube anymore, but here it is:
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1244631358976810

[Leo656]

Eh, I guess.

THIS, though... THIS, is the guy. :lol:

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[neatoman]

Eh, I guess.

THIS, though... THIS, is the guy. :lol:

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If nothing else, Pat does have a sense of humor. Makes me morbidly curious if he'll guest star on Lower Decks or the Orville.
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[Andrew NDB]

Not surprised:

https://www.goldderby.com/article/2020/patrick-stewart-star-trek-picard-interview-emmys/?fbclid=IwAR0uGVZGDAVGARgqv95nxe-5sWGjpzojfG0_Rwq0Ia_3bAXpgXoZ0MOqKpk

But wait, I thought the narrative was that Stewart didn't want to come back, and would only come back if the show was drastically different from TNG? And he forced them to make it that way or he wouldn't participate?

[CyberCubed]

I mean he also probably realized this was his last chance to ever play the role of Picard again. He was 78 when he accepted this role, he knows he may not be able to act for much longer so why not?

[neatoman]

Oh hey, I think we've found our Picard/Bullock hybrid!
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[ZariusTwo]

It won an emmy for prosthetic make-up

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/creative-arts-emmy-awards-night-235939396.html

[IMJ]

It won an emmy for prosthetic make-up

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/creative-arts-emmy-awards-night-235939396.html

The only emmy that show should've won should be for taking dull-looking android chick and near the end painting her into fantasy-like, golden-skinned-whore android-chick.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

It won an emmy for prosthetic make-up

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/creative-arts-emmy-awards-night-235939396.html

If it was for Mister Vup or whoever (the big ol' reptilian who smells lies), I don't really see how his prosthetics were much more impressive than the Jem'Hadar back in the '90s.

[Andrew NDB]

The Raffi actress talks about Star Trek's progressive vision:

https://www.inverse.com/entertainment/picard-season-2-michelle-hurd-interview?fbclid=IwAR0m3pPRfwJEwp3qulS5-VCgonVR7tjK9Bu8lA4AXSY7EPSKoJ4W_Hk_u4s

[Sumac]

Comparing 60s to the present day is so...lol...

[ZariusTwo]

Seasons two and three will both be filmed in 2021

https://redshirtsalwaysdie.com/2020/11/27/star-trek-picard-can-expect/

[Andrew NDB]

Dorn hasn't been contacted about season 2 at all. Or he's lying.

https://www.dailystartreknews.com/read/michael-dorn-on-star-trek-picard-they-have-not-contacted-me-at-all

[Jester]

In an attempt to better wrap my brain around the series (and also because my listening to The Shatner-verse novels hit a snag) I listened to the audio book of the Picard Novel: The Last Best Hope. It helps a little with one issue I had with the series, the synthetics (they are a "lesser" form or synthetic life than Soong Style Androids, and thus no sentient, something that makes Bruce Maddox less than proud of his accomplishment) and worsened another, why the Federation is the only group helping the Romulans evacuate…including their own government/empire.

[IMJ]

In an attempt to better wrap my brain around the series (and also because my listening to The Shatner-verse novels hit a snag) I listened to the audio book of the Picard Novel: The Last Best Hope. It helps a little with one issue I had with the series, the synthetics (they are a "lesser" form or synthetic life than Soong Style Androids, and thus no sentient, something that makes Bruce Maddox less than proud of his accomplishment) and worsened another, why the Federation is the only group helping the Romulans evacuate…including their own government/empire.

This show was such a mess. Only toxicly positive people go on about it. It was like Kingdom of the Crystal Skull level of a mess, but worse because it was insulting.

Data died terribly in Nemesis and the film had no resolution that it was set up for. They bring Data BACK in Picard, only to kill him off again, with Spiner giving the explanation that it was a "softer" death. It's not softer to relive that for a beloved character at all. Pathetic.

Picard is killed for the sake of "clear sacrifice" so that mouth-breathers "get it". And brought back as an Android, yet looking exactly like he did and so on. The whole story was a mess. Why kill Picard at all? Why not use the android body for Data as a way to bring him back yet explain that he can and has now aged like the real person he always wanted to be?

SOooo much more. The sudden and opportunistic need to make Seven bi-sexual with Raffi?!? Social shilling. Raffi.... just Raffi. Ugh.

I don't know. That show was like "we are going to bring him back for all the fans who loved him. But we are going to service phony millenial values even though they don't respect the past shows, care about the continuity or any of it.

Picard was a damn tragedy.

And I know we don't want to think it, but who knows how long Stewart is going to be alive? Yet they put Picard in a synth body over a nonsense ailment that could've been cured in that century, AND as bad as it would've been they should've just passed the torch to another actor and "younged up" Picard by the transfer. It would've sucked but it would've been better.

Picard was pure Hollywood liberal BS masturbation. It was the kind of business meeting that goes way off track and the clowns in the room literally throw any **** idea at the wall to see what sticks while the other clowns in the room feed it. By the time the meeting is over, the business plan is a disaster, but all of the business fools are smiling like they did something magnificent.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Picard is killed for the sake of "clear sacrifice" so that mouth-breathers "get it". And brought back as an Android, yet looking exactly like he did and so on. The whole story was a mess. Why kill Picard at all? Why not use the android body for Data as a way to bring him back yet explain that he can and has now aged like the real person he always wanted to be?

Exactly. Those were my exact thoughts.

[Andrew NDB]

Why not use the android body for Data as a way to bring him back yet explain that he can and has now aged like the real person he always wanted to be?


Yep! Despite that always being the case with Data's body (they told us on TNG that it ages to suit the passage of time).

[ZariusTwo]

Q is back

https://twitter.com/StarTrek/status/1379148587909607427?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1379148587909607427%7Ctwgr% 5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fofficialfan.proboards.com%2F thread%2F576802%2Fstar-trek-picard-january-2020%3Fpage%3D16

[Andrew NDB]

He's kind of our only hope, at this point (making Picard flesh and blood again, undoing the crap from season 1). Not that I trust any of these writers to know what to do with him at all.

[IMJ]

He's kind of our only hope, at this point (making Picard flesh and blood again, undoing the crap from season 1). Not that I trust any of these writers to know what to do with him at all.

No, they will do something with Q where the outcome is just as "WTF?!?" as what they did with Data. Remember, we are in clown world now. It's like a version of Earth after it was filtered through hell where everything is against nature, backwards and is completely the opposite of what makes sense.

[Andrew NDB]

No, they will do something with Q where the outcome is just as "WTF?!?" as what they did with Data. Remember, we are in clown world now. It's like a version of Earth after it was filtered through hell where everything is against nature, backwards and is completely the opposite of what makes sense.

Yeah, for sure. If there was an article like, "STP writers room completely overhauled!" I might have a sliver of hope, but that isn't happening.

And now I guess we know now how the TNG crew will be brought into things, most likely. "Snap!" And there they are, for a one off thing or longer. So that Kurtzman can ruin them, too, and reveal how horrible and bleak their lives have become since the TNG movies (probably more dead babies, diseases, etc.). I know Dorn has been going around lately saying he hasn't been contacted about anything but I'm not buying it. Burton let it slip a year ago that "I think we're all in it" with a lot of winking answers from the others.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Q is back

https://twitter.com/StarTrek/status/1379148587909607427?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1379148587909607427%7Ctwgr% 5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fofficialfan.proboards.com%2F thread%2F576802%2Fstar-trek-picard-january-2020%3Fpage%3D16

I'm down for that. Don't trust it to be GOOD, but I'm down for Q.

[NinjaPug]

I would be so excited for Q in a Picard show if I hadn’t already seen what a Picard show by this group looks like

[Roseangelo]

No, they will do something with Q where the outcome is just as "WTF?!?" as what they did with Data. Remember, we are in clown world now. It's like a version of Earth after it was filtered through hell where everything is against nature, backwards and is completely the opposite of what makes sense.

LOL. I wish I could disagree with any part of this.

[IMJ]

Burton let it slip a year ago that "I think we're all in it" with a lot of winking answers from the others.

It wouldn't make sense for a full cast reunion to be ignored. But like I said.... clown world.

I'm down for that. Don't trust it to be GOOD, but I'm down for Q.

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I would be so excited for Q in a Picard show if I hadn’t already seen what a Picard show by this group looks like

YYup.

[Andrew NDB]

From startrek.com.

https://www.startrek.com/news/the-star-trek-communist-hopes-star-trek-can-inspire-a-real-revolution

Damn commies.

[Jester]

But without accumulating wealth how does he have uniforms from every iteration of Trek?

[neatoman]

Here's a clip from the upcoming season
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But without accumulating wealth how does he have uniforms from every iteration of Trek?

Hypocrisy?

[Andrew NDB]

https://i.ibb.co/4PXPTbX/FB-IMG-1618084552677.jpg

If these were real writers I would say "interesting."

[Andrew NDB]

Q doing 6 episodes. Spread out into 2 seasons?

https://www.darkhorizons.com/q-appears-over-two-picard-seasons/

[MsMarvelDuckie]

I'm down for that. Don't trust it to be GOOD, but I'm down for Q.


Same! Love Q!

[Andrew NDB]

"Growing up female and queer."

More gems from Startrek.com.

https://www.startrek.com/news/growing-up-female-and-queer-with-star-trek

"Don't worry about our shockingly embarrassing storytelling... we loveses the gays!"

[Leo656]

That seems to be literally EVERY TV show, these days. Most movies, too.

[Andrew NDB]

Q footage. And other stuff.

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Looks like they may be time traveling to the present day or near future (which means we STILL might have no idea what's going on in the 25th century with anybody).

[ZariusTwo]

Jesus, time travel in Trek again.#

Double dumba** on them:lol:

[Andrew NDB]

It's not hard to imagine the boardroom meeting with Kurtzman. "Nobody liked season 1, we need a win! What do fans like? Everybody likes the one with the whales and the Borg, right? Ah, time travel!"

[Leo656]

Jesus, time travel in Trek again.#

Double dumba** on them:lol:

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[neatoman]

Q footage. And other stuff.

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Looks like they may be time traveling to the present day or near future (which means we STILL might have no idea what's going on in the 25th century with anybody).

I might as well ask it here. On the topic of Star Trek characters going back to "present day", isn't that weird given that it's clearly not a future that possible? Maybe back during the time of the original series it made sense that they could go back to the 60's and it would be indistinuishable from the real world, but now? Given what has been established, the alternate timeline the characters inhabit must have diverged noticeably from our own at least 30 years ago, as I don't remember anyone talking about how designer babies ruled massive empire and escaped on nuclear powered space craft better than the ones we have now. And yet that never stopped them from making episodes in which they act as if this future could still happen.

Boy am I looking forward to the US collapsing so some drunk can invent warp technology in some bunker within the next 40 years! After all, surely this will come to pass!
No but seriously though, assuming the Star Trek franchise is still going in 40 years, are they going to retcon the inciting incident of the the entire premise or finally admit the series takes place in an alternate timeline?I already think it's pretty silly that the writers still pretend it doesn't.

[Andrew NDB]

There are very clever books about the Eugenics Wars that show how they "did" happen in the 90s and work in real life events of the time.

[neatoman]

There are very clever books about the Eugenics Wars that show how they "did" happen in the 90s and work in real life events of the time.

I'm sure there are retcons that try to deal with how Khan could rule half the world yet somehow be unimportant enough to the public but there is quite a lot of things to deal with.

2026 is the year WWIII starts, if that never happens in the real world... Well... I don't exactly hope it will in order to preserve the continuity of a TV show, but are they going to make the ridiculus claim that such a devestating conflict "happened in secret"? Hell, according to Star Trek, the following has already happened:

People are put into internment camps because they're unemployed.
The Millennium Gate has been completed, making travel to Mars easier.

I mean seriously, acting as if the 2020's were going to be both a peroid of great depression and great prosperity didn't make much sense back then and is kind of awkward now that we reached the 2020's.

[Andrew NDB]

Well yeah... agreed. As we get closer to WWIII in Star Trek lore that is a little bit harder to sidestep. Not impossible... but definitely harder to shove under the rug.

[Andrew NDB]

Read Marina Sirtis revealing how far she is into Rachel Maddow ville, and how she had no choice but to leave the country:

https://www.bigissue.com/interviews/marina-sirtis-wants-a-star-trek-series-based-on-worf/

[oldmanwinters]

Sirtis will always be Demona to me. What a fantastic performance she gave in every episode she was in!

[Leo656]

Read Marina Sirtis revealing how far she is into Rachel Maddow ville, and how she had no choice but to leave the country:

https://www.bigissue.com/interviews/marina-sirtis-wants-a-star-trek-series-based-on-worf/



- If you have a heart and a soul and if you care about humanity, you can’t live in America.

- But the main reason I came back was because I just can’t live in a country full of racists anymore, I just can’t.

- And then I realised the Christians – I hate that they call themselves that because it kind of hijacked the word Christian – they’re one issue voters. Abortion. That’s all they care about. They would vote for the devil himself if he was going to overturn Roe v. Wade.

- Look at Greta Thunberg. I know she’s only one person but what she did was so powerful that grown men are hurling abuse at her in Congress. Because she scares them so much. Because of what she represents.



This is without question one of the dumbest human beings I've ever read in my life. I hope she realizes that if she didn't have awesome tits she'd be a complete f*cking nobody.

[Vegita-San]

Read Marina Sirtis revealing how far she is into Rachel Maddow ville, and how she had no choice but to leave the country:

https://www.bigissue.com/interviews/marina-sirtis-wants-a-star-trek-series-based-on-worf/

sigh.... it's so sad you cna't respect any of the star trek actors anymore except for shatner. he's the only one left that isn't insane.


"I lived in a state of anger and fury all the time" this pretty much sums up the entire hollywood eco system right here.

[Galactus]

Actress has a different opinion to the people who watched her show? HANG HER NOW!!! Seriously unless their opinions are extreme - which hers aren't why is it should a big deal?

It's not like I even agree with her. Every country at any given point in history has it's pluses and it's minuses; for example Marina is absolutely correct about how Roe v Wade is still a debated issue after all this time in the US is ridiculous when here in the UK abortion is just a settled issue but you guys are much more accepting of trans people. On balance though I actually think I'd rather be a US citizen right now.

Yeah you guys voted in one of the biggest frauds that stoked up racial and social tensions but his deliberate inaction over Covid-19 causing thousands of his own citizens snapped just enough people to their senses to vote him out.

We here also voted in one of the biggest frauds that stocked up racial and social tensions and but deliberate inaction over Covid-19 has only made a figure of empathy "leave poor Boris alone. He's just doing his best in a tough situation".

It's really opened my eyes to how much the British's reputation for pragmatism is fictional...but Marina is perfectly entitled to her opinions and to voice them in a magazine whose profits go to the homeless.

[Andrew NDB]

Well hey. I'm not like the left. I am OK pointing out her weird opinions while still being willing to watch her stuff and won't try to cancel her.

[IMJ]

Seriously unless their opinions are extreme - which hers aren't why is it should a big deal?

- If you have a heart and a soul and if you care about humanity, you can’t live in America.

- But the main reason I came back was because I just can’t live in a country full of racists anymore, I just can’t.

- And then I realised the Christians – I hate that they call themselves that because it kind of hijacked the word Christian – they’re one issue voters. Abortion. That’s all they care about. They would vote for the devil himself if he was going to overturn Roe v. Wade.

- Look at Greta Thunberg. I know she’s only one person but what she did was so powerful that grown men are hurling abuse at her in Congress. Because she scares them so much. Because of what she represents.

What planet are you from where this wasn't extreme? Everything she said here is commentary taken from clichés and blanket statements that are all gross exaggerations or entire untruths. "A country full of racists?!?" :lol:

Her opinions are extreme, my friend. And I question your comprehension ability for subscribing to it as if what Marina Sirtis has to say is blanket statement fact.

[Leo656]

The second anyone outspokenly puts Greta f*cking Thunberg on a pedestal, that individual has willingly sacrificed any and all credibility. People who get their ecological and political views from mentally-challenged children shouldn't get to talk out loud.

"What she did was so powerful." :roll: Her parents scared her sh*tless with a fake "We're all gonna die in 10 years" narrative, and she's learning-disabled so she had a complete mental breakdown over it, and now people throw money at her so she can travel by planes and trains (spewing a bunch of that evil "pollution" she's supposedly so concerned about) to shout and finger-wag at grown-ups who actually know what the f*ck they're talking about.

That's it, that's all. What did she do that was so "powerful" except parrot lies told to her by ignorant grown-ups so they could use her as a political "shield"? That whole situation is completely disgusting.

Anyways. Every time I ever see or read anything from a Trek actor these days, this is literally ALL I can think about. :lol:
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[neatoman]

The second anyone outspokenly puts Greta f*cking Thunberg on a pedestal, that individual has willingly sacrificed any and all credibility.

Hey wanna know a fun thing about her? Most Americans mispronounce her name really badly. The proper pronounciation is closer to "Greetaa Tuunbeerj".

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Oh and she is also a child of what can more or less be considered the Swedish version of the Hollywood elite (you know, rich actors and directors). Her entire speech probably sounded like obvious acting because she was probably trained to act as hard as possible by her family, she was literally acting. The whole point of her speech was probably never to give a genuine heartfelt message, but rather to make internationally famous and thus eligable to star in movies made outside of Sweden, which would make her eclipse what most other members of her family has accomplished.

Never seen anyone bring this up. I'm guessing most people outside of Sweden are totally unaware of her family history...

[Coola Yagami]

Honesty America is a ****** country, it's just less ****** than the other shittier countries. It's not a matter of 'if you don't like it, leave' it's a matter of 'I love this country and hate to see what it's become and I wish things would actually be done instead of us just shrugging our shoulders and being like eh whatcha gonna do'.

That being said any time a celeb or some person we're supposed to care about for some reason or another says something bad about our country that gets everyone up in arms, I kinda shrug and say 'where's the lie?'.

The country's full of racists. I mean, we still got small towns in the middle of nowhere that if some mixed couple happens to accidentally wind up there, well... you'll never see em again. You can't tell me there aren't ********s of racists all over the country. Let's call a spade a spade here.

As or Greta, I don't like them grabbing some kid that despite everything is too young to understand what she is saying and using her as a figurehead, and then these people attacking her regardless of her being a kid. Greta needs to go back to school and stay out of this mess.

Bottom line, I'm not one of these pearl clutchers that freaks out if someone dares to say something terrible about our country. We suck, the country sucks, unless you can somehow solve our problems, suck it up and carry on.

[Leo656]

Hey wanna know a fun thing about her? Most Americans mispronounce her name really badly. The proper pronounciation is closer to "Greetaa Tuunbeerj".

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Oh and she is also a child of what can more or less be considered the Swedish version of the Hollywood elite (you know, rich actors and directors). Her entire speech probably sounded like obvious acting because she was probably trained to act as hard as possible by her family, she was literally acting. The whole point of her speech was probably never to give a genuine heartfelt message, but rather to make internationally famous and thus eligable to star in movies made outside of Sweden, which would make her eclipse what most other members of her family has accomplished.

Never seen anyone bring this up. I'm guessing most people outside of Sweden are totally unaware of her family history...

I've definitely seen it brought up but people do go out of their way to bury it. You're definitely "not supposed to know" the backstory.


Bottom line, I'm not one of these pearl clutchers that freaks out if someone dares to say something terrible about our country. We suck, the country sucks, unless you can somehow solve our problems, suck it up and carry on.

It's such a sh*t country that millions of people have spent the past year on Unemployment making more money than they made at their real jobs. That's how "sh*tty" we treat people and how poorly we take care of them. :lol: C'mon.

[Coola Yagami]

I've definitely seen it brought up but people do go out of their way to bury it. You're definitely "not supposed to know" the backstory.



It's such a sh*t country that millions of people have spent the past year on Unemployment making more money than they made at their real jobs. That's how "sh*tty" we treat people and how poorly we take care of them. :lol: C'mon.

Did you not read the part where I said we're a **** country just less **** than the other even bigger **** countries?

[Leo656]

I don't particularly agree with that sentiment, is all. I think for most people it's the best place to be. Maybe not some, but most.

[Coola Yagami]

I don't particularly agree with that sentiment, is all. I think for most people it's the best place to be. Maybe not some, but most.

And I agree with that too, but again, I just don't care much when someone disses our country cause 9 out of 10 times they have a point.

[Leo656]

I care when this country made them rich and famous, and without our system of doing things and our specific "Celebrity Worship" culture they'd be a goddamn faceless nobody back in the Wherever They Came From/Would Rather Live.

They hate our culture, hate our values... but love our money. Money they only earned because of our culture and values. Funny how that works.

That's what gets on my nerves. It's tactless. Most of them are also people with no other marketable skills, who wouldn't ever have reached such great heights in any other country, including the one they came from.

Back home, Marina Sirtis might possibly have fashioned a great career for herself as an underwear model. But would she ever have become a cultural icon (and one of the most jacked-off-to women of the 1990s) anywhere else but America? Nope. She'd be a nice set of tits on a billboard, at best.

"We" made her rich and famous and yet she badmouths us on the way out the door. That kinda sh*t, I have no patience for. People like that are garbage.

[Coola Yagami]

I care when this country made them rich and famous, and without our system of doing things and our specific "Celebrity Worship" culture they'd be a goddamn faceless nobody back in the Wherever They Came From/Would Rather Live.

They hate our culture, hate our values... but love our money. Money they only earned because of our culture and values. Funny how that works.

That's what gets on my nerves. It's tactless. Most of them are also people with no other marketable skills, who wouldn't ever have reached such great heights in any other country, including the one they came from.

Back home, Marina Sirtis might possibly have fashioned a great career for herself as an underwear model. But would she ever have become a cultural icon (and one of the most jacked-off-to women of the 1990s) anywhere else but America? Nope. She'd be a nice set of tits on a billboard, at best.

"We" made her rich and famous and yet she badmouths us on the way out the door. That kinda sh*t, I have no patience for. People like that are garbage.

Oh, I get it now. Yeah if your stance is 'they hate our country, but they sure love our money, don't they?' then yeah I can agree with that. Is it all those types though? I'm sure there are some people that have had a rough spot or got beat up because they were the wrong whatever (race, gender, orientation, wage class, etc) or something happen to them that would make them disappointed in their own country.

I mean sure, a nobody can become a somebody, and we do have a few people that could have only have made it in the US, but on the other hand we have all those homeless vets that no one seems to give two ***** about that fought for our country and our freedoms.

[Leo656]

That is indeed a problem.

As for the other stuff, I'm a Straight White Male (also Irish, aka "The Best Kind Of White") and I still used to get beaten up in school because I wasn't tall enough, or had "effeminate" facial features, or whatever. Nobody's immune to that kind of "bullying". Everybody gets their God-smacks, it's part of growing up and it builds character. It doesn't mean America in its entirety is a sh*thole full of sh*t people.

As Dr. Denis would say, "Life sucks, get a f*cking helmet."

[IMJ]

(also Irish, aka "The Best Kind Of White")

Me too. Grew up in an incredibly mixed area where the Philippinos and Indians were relentless against a guy like me, lmao!

[Galactus]

Well hey. I'm not like the left. I am OK pointing out her weird opinions while still being willing to watch her stuff and won't try to cancel her.

Cool but the right cancels and de-platforms people just as much if not more, they just don't refer to it in those terms. It wasn't lefties that got James Gunn fired from Guardians of the Galaxy.

What planet are you from where this wasn't extreme? Everything she said here is commentary taken from clichés and blanket statements that are all gross exaggerations or entire untruths. "A country full of racists?!?" :lol:

Her opinions are extreme, my friend. And I question your comprehension ability for subscribing to it as if what Marina Sirtis has to say is blanket statement fact.

The part were she talks about America being full of racists seems a bit overdramatic but there's no need to take her so literally. The United States does has a very big problem with racism - that's just a fact. I don't think Britain is any better we just tend to paper over it more. Personally I think it's a bit screwy that she thinks this when (as I alluded to earlier) the United States voted out their unashamed racist leader when we still have ours but again she's entitled to think what she does.

As for the rest you quoted it all seems perfectly reasonable opinion to me. A country that was founded partly for fleeing religious persecution and prides itself on it's freedom shouldn't be groups of so called christians harassing women for getting for going inside a planned parenthood building. Also whether you agree with her or not it's weird so many actual politicians are trying to make a hate figure of a minor talking environmental issues.

That is indeed a problem.

As for the other stuff, I'm a Straight White Male (also Irish, aka "The Best Kind Of White") and I still used to get beaten up in school because I wasn't tall enough, or had "effeminate" facial features, or whatever. Nobody's immune to that kind of "bullying". Everybody gets their God-smacks, it's part of growing up and it builds character. It doesn't mean America in its entirety is a sh*thole full of sh*t people.

As Dr. Denis would say, "Life sucks, get a f*cking helmet."

All very sad. I was also short growing up and was big into acting which I got some heat about so I can relate...

Still none of the above makes you more likely to be harassed or killed by the police or less likely to get certain jobs or be more likely to be paid less than yours peers. Not this is unique to the United States. There's a lot sh*thole countries with a a lot of full of sh*t people out there.

[IMJ]

I think there are two psychological components at play when we see these hard nosed opinions.

01 - there's a significant comparison bias. News in America is more widespread globally as a "narrative" than much of what goes on in the rest of the world by comparison.

02 - America has always had the "big boy on the block target" on it. Years ago, the global story was that all Americans were cowboys. Then all Americans were fat. Now all Americans are racists.

Granted Marina has some experiential living here, but for God's sake she's a Hollywood liberal, clearly a drama queen - I mean she left the country saying it was full of racists, but then punctuated it with how work for middle aged women is easier to find in Britain. She's jaded. She's not pioneering.

There is also an internal bias whereby we cite racism as some purely "white phenomena", but I got news guys - in my experience there are a lot more POC's carrying on with racism and internal violence than there are white people. And I live here. In the Chicago area.

[Jester]

I was reading Jeffery Hunter's Wikipedia today (it was kinda a rabbit hole because of the Google Doodle of the day about Tamio "Tommy" Kono, who like another Trek actor George Takei was interned during WWII, so I was looking for movies that talked about that, and one stared both Hunter and Takei...BUT) and had to chuckle at one line in his personal life section:
He was a Republican.[28] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Hunter)
The 1st Captain of the freakin' Star Ship Enterprise...:tlol:

[Vegita-San]

someone should tweet that to sirtis. if she really believes this stuff, it'll blow her mind :).

[Andrew NDB]

https://i.ibb.co/QHnqVTB/FB-IMG-1625172694574.jpg

[DarkFell]

^ If I had to choose, the left path would be the best way to go.

[newfan]

I think DS9 was my least favourite of the shows (referring to all the older stuff) .... wait, was that the point? :lol: I dunno I got the impression other people like it.

Actually, on the Subject of Star Trek, well it's fans anyway, I've not seen Cylons on here for a while.

As for Picard's the next season, I hope they stop dragging out or tone down the 'shame' for his character.

[Leo656]

Actually, on the Subject of Star Trek, well it's fans anyway, I've not seen Cylons on here for a while.


You probably won't. I still hear from him, but without speaking too much for him he's pretty much "retired" from the Drome.

[newfan]

You probably won't. I still hear from him, but without speaking too much for him he's pretty much "retired" from the Drome.

Oh that's a shame, seemed a reasonable guy, but people move on. I wish him well.

[Galactus]

01 - there's a significant comparison bias. News in America is more widespread globally as a "narrative" than much of what goes on in the rest of the world by comparison.

This is true. It dawned on my in 2017 UK general election were we had a hung parliament and the Conservatives had to form a coalition with Northern Ireland's Democratic Unionist Party and the response from most Brits was "who?" News of American politics is so widespread in the UK in comparison to a part of our own country that is right door.

02 - America has always had the "big boy on the block target" on it. Years ago, the global story was that all Americans were cowboys. Then all Americans were fat. Now all Americans are racists.

There's a difference between cultural stereotypes and pointing out an objective truth that the United States had a big problem with racism.

There is also an internal bias whereby we cite racism as some purely "white phenomena", but I got news guys - in my experience there are a lot more POC's carrying on with racism and internal violence than there are white people. And I live here. In the Chicago area.

No one denies that non white people can be racist and that's bad but in the western world they are not in a position of power. Anti white racism isn't going to get me harassed or killed by police or make me less likely to get certain jobs.

I was reading Jeffery Hunter's Wikipedia today (it was kinda a rabbit hole because of the Google Doodle of the day about Tamio "Tommy" Kono, who like another Trek actor George Takei was interned during WWII, so I was looking for movies that talked about that, and one stared both Hunter and Takei...BUT) and had to chuckle at one line in his personal life section:

The 1st Captain of the freakin' Star Ship Enterprise...:tlol:

The first captain of the freakin' Star Ship Enterprise is Captain Archer.

[Leo656]

No one denies that non white people can be racist and that's bad but in the western world they are not in a position of power. Anti white racism isn't going to get me harassed or killed by police or make me less likely to get certain jobs.


Colin Powell, Condoleeza Rice and Barack Obama sort of stand as living proof that the whole "Blacks Have No Power/Can't Achieve Positions Of Power" narrative is 100% bullsh*t.

[Andrew NDB]

The first captain of the freakin' Star Ship Enterprise is Captain Archer.

He wasn't the captain of the first "Federation starship Enterprise." That was Robert April. But he is only somewhat canon.

[Sumac]

Anti white racism isn't going to get me harassed or killed by police or make me less likely to get certain jobs.
For now.

Giving the trajectory, it might take just a few years until activists and virtue signaling corporations will start discriminating White people from the jobs and the like.

Look into "Critical Race Theory" and all the madness it entails - right now its already at Nazi level of hatred towards Whites. What will happen few years later? Who knows, but usually nothing good comes out of this.

[IMJ]

There's a difference between cultural stereotypes and pointing out an objective truth that the United States had a big problem with racism.

Sure, absolutely, but your reply here still doesn't discriminate between the statement that the U.S. has a problem with racism and the statement that "the U.S. is filled with racists" or some other statement about the wider and general population.

That's typically my point, but here on these boards, Facebook or Twitter you get replies that never discriminate between the two. And so it becomes evidence that the people who make statements like that are actually a significant part of the problem.`

The country is not filled with racists. People who conduct themselves on the public forums with those thoughts are just saying words from their own, singular perspective and that right there should indicate the problem. The country is not filled with racists.

[Andrew NDB]

So I saw this the other day, how Robert Duncan McNeill (Paris from VOY, whose performances I always enjoyed) was almost on Picard season 1 and was asked to be on Picard season 2 and IS in Lower Decks season 2:

https://www.dailystartreknews.com/read/robert-duncan-mcneill-reveals-he-nearly-appeared-in-star-trek-picard-season-1-as-tom-paris

This got me to wonder, idly. Cool. But... why Paris (and a straight white male, no less -- not exactly fitting the mold of either STD or STP and hell, Picard himself wasn't even allowed to be human anymore on these things to get around it) and not, say, B'Elanna? Or Paris AND B'Elanna? I actually enjoyed B'Elanna and her arc more than Paris. Also, B'Elanna was conspicuously absent from the Star Trek Online Delta Quadrant campaign when Paris and practically everyone else apart from Mulgrew (who I suspect simply wasn't in their price range) was invited to that and was a part of it. Weird, right?

Then I figured it out. While Robert Duncan McNeill parrots the latest CNN/anti-Trump stuff on his Twitter (often tagging Alex Kurtzman in them), Roxann Dawson (B'Elanna) is an unabashed republican. And that's a non-starter of course, for the same reason you'll never see Reginald Barclay ever appear in any Star Trek again (unless they bring him back with another actor to get killed off on screen like they did with Icheb, whose actor was another republican who said things TPTB don't like on Twitter).

https://www.reddit.com/r/startrek/comments/3khdc5/has_an_actors_political_views_ever_turned_you_off/

https://www.dailysignal.com/2019/07/30/how-actress-roxann-dawson-achieved-her-own-breakthrough-on-faith-hollywood-and-adoption/

[Vegita-San]

Dawson just got even hotter than she already was. at least we know she's normal and not a SJW.

Pretty sad that they can openly discriminate against people. the folks who want everyone else to be open and accepting :/.

[Galactus]

I just looked at her twitter. I scrolled down a fair bit but couldn't see anything especially political. Correct me if I'm wrong but I imagine she's a fairly moderate conservative. I think if she'd said anything particularly extreme I would have heard about it.

There's a difference between disagreeing about how taxes should work and the role the state should play in various issues vs disagreeing about chem trails and school shootings being false flags etc.

No one has ever said that Dwight Schultz is not allowed on Star Trek but I wouldn't be surprised if his extremist views barred him but I doubt anyone would have an issue with Roxanne Dawson's political views. Jeri Ryan was also a Republican...heck she was married to Paul Ryan and she's welcome. I know she supported Hillary Clinton (and I assume Biden) but I get the impression from her social media that was because Trump was a step too far for her rather than being a genuine convert the mildly left wing American Democrat party.

Robert Duncan Mcneil is bigger deal as a director, still has a cult following and kept well in with the Star Trek people. I would assume that's why he's been approached and not Roxanne.

[IMJ]

Dawson just got even hotter than she already was. at least we know she's normal and not a SJW.

Pretty sad that they can openly discriminate against people. the folks who want everyone else to be open and accepting :/.

Huge fan of Rosario Dawson... huge. She's a raging babe and appears to be a well balanced person in general. Raging babe.

[Galactus]

Huge fan of Rosario Dawson... huge. She's a raging babe and appears to be a well balanced person in general. Raging babe.

Wrong Dawson although I love Rosario. Suprised you think she's a well balanced person. She was a huge Bernie supporter, attended some protests when he didn't get the nomination and even got herself arrested. Given her political views I would have thought you'd have her pegged as some far left radical.

I was perplexed by her relationship with Corey Booker since he was the exact kind of supposed 'moderate' that she felt was everything wrong with the Democrat party. Of course you'd have him as a far left radical too,

[Andrew NDB]

Of course you'd have him as a far left radical too,

I've heard him speak enough to definitely say that term would apply to him. Reparations, UBI, all that stuff.

Had no idea about Rosario and him. Surprising, but also not. Still love her.

[IMJ]

Wrong Dawson although I love Rosario. Suprised you think she's a well balanced person. She was a huge Bernie supporter, attended some protests when he didn't get the nomination and even got herself arrested. Given her political views I would have thought you'd have her pegged as some far left radical.

I was perplexed by her relationship with Corey Booker since he was the exact kind of supposed 'moderate' that she felt was everything wrong with the Democrat party. Of course you'd have him as a far left radical too,

I did think we were talking about Rosario, but here's the thing about her - regardless of her political leanings I haven't heard too much of her word vomit which means that she's balanced by and large against the people who talk loud nowadays.

I think this speaks to your assessment of me more than it speaks to my assessment of her... Don't try to guess the reality of where I fall on the spectrum of anything in life. You are a Technodrome poster who speaks in blanket statements and polarizing views on everything, as far as I'm concerned. Nothing more. You only think I do the same, but again that speaks to you, not to me.

[Galactus]

I've heard him speak enough to definitely say that term would apply to him. Reparations, UBI, all that stuff.

Hmm. He certainly wasn't advocating those things back when I used to pay attention to him. Maybe he's improved.

I did think we were talking about Rosario, but here's the thing about her - regardless of her political leanings I haven't heard too much of her word vomit which means that she's balanced by and large against the people who talk loud nowadays.

She was a literal surrogate for Bernie, spoke at his rallies and everything. She did many interviews back during his first campaign. She's very outspoken about her left leaning politics. Maybe you've missed it but it's there.

You are a Technodrome poster who speaks in blanket statements and polarizing views on everything, as far as I'm concerned. Nothing more. You only think I do the same, but again that speaks to you, not to me

No blanket statements there. :roll:

[Andrew NDB]

I just made it to the series finale of Voyager again. I must say, the more times I watch this series finale, the more I really loathe it... and I began loving it.

It just seems CHEAP. Both literally, in that they barely spent any money on it (beyond a few short and admittedly impressive exterior CGI offerings of Borg cubes and the transwarp hub exploding... even when you see the Queen, it's clearly just on one very tight set that she never leaves like they only shot her for about one hour on 1 day) and CHEAP in that the last 30,000 light years or so just gets handed to them by help from Old Janeway from the future.

Like, imagine if "All Good Things" (TNG) began with them being judged once more by Q, found guilty on all counts, and just before being executed... Old Picard shows up from 20 years in the future and tells Young Picard, "NO NO NO... here, these are the correct answers to Q's questions that will spare your lives and pass the test!"

That'd be retarded. So is this.

And yeah... there should have been a third part, an epilogue ON Earth. It didn't need to be much but it should never have been nothing.

[Andrew NDB]

So the Borg Queen will be a recurring character in season 2 of Picard. The Borg, the Borg Queen, time travel and Q... lol... it's almost like hacks were writing this from a TNG wiki of what they think fans want.

https://www.darkhorizons.com/wersching-is-the-borg-queen-in-picard/

[IMJ]

So the Borg Queen will be a recurring character in season 2 of Picard. The Borg, the Borg Queen, time travel and Q... lol... it's almost like hacks were writing this from a TNG wiki of what they think fans want.

https://www.darkhorizons.com/wersching-is-the-borg-queen-in-picard/

It's weird that things are so far gone that even with all sorts of cliche fan service like "Q" and "The Borg Queen" that this could be an epic fail just like Season 1 - bringing Data back to life just to kill him again all while there is a new synth body that he could use lying around yet they kill Picard and put him in it - at the same age and statue that he died. :lol:

[newfan]

I'm still a little sour about data, I really thought they were building to bringing him back, but my fault for making that assumption.

I never really liked Q but it doesn't shock me that they would bring him back.

Any news on where they are with filming this season?

[CyberCubed]

Data's death even dating back to Nemesis in 2002 was because Brent Spiner felt he was getting too old to play an ageless android. Remember back then they had no idea that would be the last TNG movie, at the time they thought they would go on a little longer. It's only after the movie bombed that the Star Trek movies ended and then they rebooted them a few years later in 2009.

Brent Spiner only came back to give Data a proper sendoff he didn't get in 2002. Picard got to say goodbye to him this time and Data got to feel what it is to be human to age and then to die. Honestly Data's "real" death in Picard almost makes his death back in Nemesis worthwhile.

[Andrew NDB]

Data's death even dating back to Nemesis in 2002 was because Brent Spiner felt he was getting too old to play an ageless android. Remember back then they had no idea that would be the last TNG movie, at the time they thought they would go on a little longer. It's only after the movie bombed that the Star Trek movies ended and then they rebooted them a few years later in 2009.

Brent Spiner only came back to give Data a proper sendoff he didn't get in 2002. Picard got to say goodbye to him this time and Data got to feel what it is to be human to age and then to die. Honestly Data's "real" death in Picard almost makes his death back in Nemesis worthwhile.

None of that is true. Brent Spiner came back because he enjoys not being unemployed and they killed him off because Spock in Wrath of Khan. They didn't even bother to hide the "he'll be back in the next movie as B4!" way out in it.

He didn't, of course, because nobody saw Nemesis and it failed. Though Kurtzman and company would have you believe it was everyone getting tired of Star Trek and not, you know, the general public not paying to see movies that are horrible.

[ZariusTwo]

Renewed for a third season

https://twitter.com/StarTrekOnPPlus/status/1435807795882905603

And trailer for season two

xkEC1FIGqXQ

[Andrew NDB]

Good grief. Now I get it. Q violates the Q continuum (this is all of the De Lancie going around telling anyone who asks on Cameo that Q is all different now) by changing time for 300 years to make Patrick Stewart fight a Trump-like status quo in our present (or specifically I suspect a one that is about 10 or 20 years in our future, so kind of a "imagine 10-20 years in the future of a Trump kind of presidency and how apocalyptic and "1984" it would be). Assuredly victoriously. And by season's end they stamp out the quasi-Trumpist figures they encounter and celebrate at the end and Q smiles before restoring the timeline, lesson learned and all.

This all checks out.

[IMJ]

More Hollywood nonsense about Trump-era dictatorship that never even remotely happened in real life. Not even by a stretch. All through a time travel story that basically mimics First Contact.

I don't know. It's not Star Trek. It's something else using Star Trek I.P.'s.

[ZariusTwo]

Production has been shut down due to a COVID surge.

https://www.cbr.com/star-trek-picard-shuts-down-over-50-positive-covid-tests/

[Andrew NDB]

What? They're even still shooting? They've been shooting this season while STD has been shooting this season and the last.

[CyberCubed]

Is this series only going to be 30 episodes long?

[ZariusTwo]

Rtq9s5azuBU

[Andrew NDB]

Well. They did what they could with Whoopi there. She actually looks better than I thought she would. She looks way younger than she is now... but sadly not much they could do about the fat.

[CyberCubed]

Time traveling to the modern era? Why? With only 10 episodes a season it's a waste of episodes.

[Andrew NDB]

Time traveling to the modern era? Why? With only 10 episodes a season it's a waste of episodes.

And we don't even know a thing about the CURRENT era of STP! What the Klingons are up to, the Romulans, or even Starfleet. Now, let's blow 5-6 out of 10 of these episodes on a Trumpian 2024? Now more than ever, people want to watch Star Trek to escape our present and think about an optimistic future... so instead of giving audiences that, they are LITERALLY forcing audiences back to the present day Earth?

#1, they're hacks. #2, it's mostly because they don't have any good budget and what they do have, they keep giving to Discuckery.

[CyberCubed]

I mean it would be so bad if there were 20 ep seasons like it used to be, so you can have a bunch of episodes spent on fillers or random stories like Star Trek always had. But with only 10 episodes you really don't have much time but the "main plot" and that's the problem.

People always used to complain about 22-26 episode seasons where there would always be some forgettable/boring eps thrown in the mix, but I feel that's absolutely required to cover everything in a show properly.

[Vegita-San]

did they borrow some of their music from the flash? I half expected to see picard zooming like barry.

[IMJ]

-sigh-

Not lookin' good. Again.

So much post-Nemesis that could've been addressed. But instead we will see a scummy little ship somehow dogfighting several Federation vessels with a Picard who can barely move and a "crew" that nobody cares about at all. Running around 2024 Earth. :roll:

2024. Earth. :roll: In Post-Nemesis Star Trek.

That's who you make a cheaper show, folks. Modern period-piece installments. Just walk outside and film.

[ZariusTwo]

The show will end with season three. Reportedly 'always the plan'

https://twitter.com/TheTrekCentral/status/1486287844100517896?t=Ao7jVCYw0jzDkNLYn-W8dw&s=19

[Vegita-San]

one thing that bothers me with this is stewart. is he just acting older, or is that how he REALLY sounds now? the character almost sounding like they'll die if they take another step isn't great...

[Andrew NDB]

That's who you make a cheaper show, folks. Modern period-piece installments. Just walk outside and film.

Exactly.

The show will end with season three. Reportedly 'always the plan'

Oh, thank goodness. Hopefully it will end without ruining any more TNG characters, but I wouldn't hold my breath about it.

I'm sure the general idea is to use STP to prop up these characters other than Picard, then Rios will probably become reinstated in Starfleet and command a new ship and that'll be the new show.

[CyberCubed]

Well with Stewarts age its best if they end here. This show really should have come out around 2011-2012 when he was still young enough to act and get more of a performance out of him. Sadly, "Picard" came out about a decade too late to be more of a natural continuation.

And yeah we'll certainly be seeing these side characters from Picard pop up in future Star Trek shows, that much is obvious.

[Andrew NDB]

Oh god... what if it's, at the end of STP Rios and crew become recruited into Section 31, and that becomes the Section 31 show? Joined by Georgiou somehow? Maybe this is the more likely outcome.

[neatoman]

Patrick Stewart is an old man, as in he's so old most people his age are expected to go at any moment. Of course this show isn't going to continue after a third season, it is marketed around him being the star and making it go on indefinitely makes no sense if he might not be around for much longer. Maybe it'll have a spin-off starring Captain Drunk Solo, Commander Desert Junkie and Angsty Whiny Samurai Romulan if the ratings (or whatever metric Paramount+ uses for success) are good, but a fourth season starring Stewart seems like way too much of a risky move.

[Andrew NDB]

Patrick Stewart is an old man, as in he's so old most people his age are expected to go at any moment. Of course this show isn't going to continue after a third season, it is marketed around him being the star and making it go on indefinitely makes no sense if he might not be around for much longer. Maybe it'll have a spin-off starring Captain Drunk Solo, Commander Desert Junkie and Angsty Whiny Samurai Romulan if the ratings (or whatever metric Paramount+ uses for success) are good, but a fourth season starring Stewart seems like way too much of a risky move.

Yeah, that's basically what I said in the last couple posts. You know, use STP seasons 1-3 to rub a little Patrick Stewart over these guys, then send them off. Whether it's on a new Federation starship (it really better be) or more edgy darkness Section 31 type stuff, we'll see. And they can still have Patrick Stewart show up for guest spots here and there, permitting. And if he dies IRL, they'll probably lunge at some kind of "omg, Admiral Picard died!" storyline to boost those creorganization,

In any case, imagine what takes the most minimal amount of budget, minimal amount of set building... and they will choose that path.

[CyberCubed]

Is it weird I can't remember the names of any of the new side characters they introduced? I think ones name was Rafi or something? I don't even know the others names.

[Andrew NDB]

Is it weird I can't remember the names of any of the new side characters they introduced? I think ones name was Rafi or something? I don't even know the others names.

Yeah, Raffi's name is the only one that stuck. Basically I think of them as Druggee/deadbeat mom one, Down on his luck Mexican former Starfleet captain, murderous one (the cyberneticist lady), gay Romulan Legolas, and um... I think that's it.

Now try naming the bridge crew of STD without cheating and looking at IMDB. And that show is in the middle of season FOUR. Imagine watching season four of TNG, and not knowing Geordi's name, or Worf's.

[Vegita-San]

turtlehead...next!

[CyberCubed]

These new characters make Travis Mayweather look good. And that's saying a lot given he was treated like a glorified extra for most of the show.

[Andrew NDB]

These new characters make Travis Mayweather look good. And that's saying a lot given he was treated like a glorified extra for most of the show.

Very true. They really did Travis Mayweather dirty. He began as kind of this wide-eyed 2nd generation pioneer... and then they proceeded to do absolutely nothing with him.

But we at least know his name.

[CyberCubed]

He should have had his current look back then:

https://static.dailyforest.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/22072729/Anthony-Montgomery-Ensign-Travis-Mayweather.jpg

He looks much better now. I hate to say it, but during Enterprise he really was just, "a generic black guy" just there among more interesting characters. Somehow though he's now not the most forgettable main character in a Trek show ever.

[IMJ]

These new characters make Travis Mayweather look good. And that's saying a lot given he was treated like a glorified extra for most of the show.

Mayweather was a great character! Super likeable, he needed more dedicated episodes. Probably would've gotten them too had Enterprise gone 7 seasons. I hated the concept of Enterprise when it was airing and abandoned it completely. Then some time around 2010 during the glut of good sci-fi anywhere I watched the whole series on Netflix and loved it - it became possibly my second favorite Trek show.

[ZariusTwo]

Whoopi Goldberg has been suspended for two weeks from The View for her holocaust remarks. Don't think this is the kind of press Paramount needs with Picard looming. Especially since season two is leaning heavily on dystopian alt.right alternative timelines

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-60225196

[Coola Yagami]

She shoulda been fired. Gina got fired for a lot less.

[Andrew NDB]

Everybody on the left is like, "I don't understand! She apologized! This isn't fair!"

No, she didn't apologize. She did the opposite of apologizing. She went on Colbert and further explained how it was just nobody understanding what she said, that there's no such thing as racism to her if the skin tone is about the same.

[IMJ]

Everybody on the left is like, "I don't understand! She apologized! This isn't fair!"

No, she didn't apologize. She did the opposite of apologizing. She went on Colbert and further explained how it was just nobody understanding what she said, that there's no such thing as racism to her if the skin tone is about the same.

And almost everyone centered or right who has been crucified and cancelled by the left were basically executed. F Whoopie Goldburg.

[Coola Yagami]

Everybody on the left is like, "I don't understand! She apologized! This isn't fair!"


The irony. When they cancel someone right-leaning, they either ignore the apology, say it wasn't good enough, or go harder because they use the apology as admittance of guilt.

**** that ****. Fire Whoopi Goldberg immediately.

[Leo656]

Personally I'm not a fan of people losing their jobs over stuff like this. Everybody says stupid sh*t; sometimes it's private and sometimes it's public but we ALL say stupid, horrible sh*t.

HOWEVER, considering how The Left handles these kinds of things, typically - fire the person, "cancel" the person, harass the person, and create an environment where the person is never allowed to work again - in the interest of fairness the only correct thing to do would indeed be to fire her.

What Roseanne Barr tweeted was way less bad, and she had the show she created and her entire career taken away from her over it. If what's good for the goose is in fact good for the gander, then there needs to be a consistency of standards.

Of course, we know that isn't how Liberals operate. Liberals deserve "tolerance and understanding", while Conservatives need to be locked up and silenced. That's the playbook.

In a perfect world, I sincerely don't think this kind of thing ever needs to be taken as far as all that, where people start losing their jobs and stuff. BUT, I also don't like double standards. So yeah, by rights she should be fired since so many other have been. Fair is fair.

[Sumac]

Modern Left are very typical example of "rules for thee, but not for me".
In general, "cancel culture" principles go opposite of "lawful and just world" Left claim they want. In "lawful" world people are not fired and silenced based on evidenceless accusations.

[CyberCubed]

I imagine if Whoopi wasn't black, she would have been fired. You don't fire a black woman who has been famous for over 50 years.

[Jester]

When I first heard her say it was "Man's inhumanity to man" and not wholly race based, I kind of agreed because though the Holocaust was mainly targeted against the Jewish they also killed Communists, Romani, and pretty much anyone who was a political enemy. I thought it was indelicate and maybe a bit unspecific but not completely inaccurate. (I did wonder how she'd feel if "Man's inhumanity to man" was used as a explanation of slavery in America, but I digress.)

But when I heard her argument that the Jews and Romani are white and so it wasn't racism I began to think, ok Whoopie, now we're getting TOO simplistic.

[Andrew NDB]

But when I heard her argument that the Jews and Romani are white and so it wasn't racism I began to think, ok Whoopie, now we're getting TOO simplistic.

It's retarded. Basically, Mexicans can't be racist against people from Spain? Or Brazil? Chinese can't be racist against Japanese? And absolutely everyone is racist except Hitler and the nazis?

It's insane.

[Galactus]

Well I'm on the left and I don't think we should move on from Whoopi's screwed up take on the holocaust. Maybe if she gave a proper apology we could gauge how sincere it was and whether she has learned anything but she hasn't so far. Frankly I haven't seen many left leaning people stick up for her on this issue but that could be a case of observation bias.

If we're going to politicise this then while I'm sure it's novel for many on the right to find themselves on the other side of this kind of issue I do find it a little disingenuous when they defend people who said the same or similar. There's almost an element of "finally we get to cancel one" whether they personally find anything wrong with what they said or not. Think the people responsible for trying to get Sam Seder or James Gunn fired. In the former instance they deliberately twisted what Seder had said and the latter it was a bunch of literal nazis with a history of similar tweets.

As for Star Trek: Picard I don't think this will impact it that much. Everyone knows the show was filmed before these comments, her part looks too important to cut out but not important enough that it feels she's being rewarded. I think people are capable of separating the actress from the role.

Personally I'm not a fan of people losing their jobs over stuff like this. Everybody says stupid sh*t; sometimes it's private and sometimes it's public but we ALL say stupid, horrible sh*t.

HOWEVER, considering how The Left handles these kinds of things, typically - fire the person, "cancel" the person, harass the person, and create an environment where the person is never allowed to work again - in the interest of fairness the only correct thing to do would indeed be to fire her.

What Roseanne Barr tweeted was way less bad, and she had the show she created and her entire career taken away from her over it. If what's good for the goose is in fact good for the gander, then there needs to be a consistency of standards.

Of course, we know that isn't how Liberals operate. Liberals deserve "tolerance and understanding", while Conservatives need to be locked up and silenced. That's the playbook.

In a perfect world, I sincerely don't think this kind of thing ever needs to be taken as far as all that, where people start losing their jobs and stuff. BUT, I also don't like double standards. So yeah, by rights she should be fired since so many other have been. Fair is fair.

I'm not sure I agree what Roseanne Barr said was less bad. They are both definitely equal in terms of stupidity; like anything that compares black people to monkeys and anything that suggests the Holocaust wasn't so bad is the first thing you learn in Racism 101.

Bare in mind that with Barr it wasn't just that tweet that got her fired. She had an entire history of problematic behavior like harassing kids that were victims of school shootings and promoting qanon ******** not to mention she was notoriously difficult to work with hence why no one on the show stuck up for her. They saw this was going to be a regular thing and acted.

For the supposed intolerance of the left liberals do tolerate a lot of problematic behavior it's just every so often something puts it over the top they have to act. Marvel were perfectly fine with Joe Bennett drawing their biggest selling book even though it was clear he was problematic for years it just took an example of his racism so extreme that they couldn't ignore it anymore or simply say "well he apoligised so let's move on".

[Leo656]

Don't get me wrong, I think Roseanne is a trash human being in general. I just didn't like how that whole situation went down. A more left-leaning person in her position would absolutely have gotten a slap on the wrist, and anyone who says otherwise is a liar.

In Whoopi's case, there are multiple variables in play which complicate things. First off, Cubed is 100% correct that a white person in her place would be in a lot more trouble just as a matter of course. I've never liked how that stuff works, but as he alluded to she's in a "protected class", especially in the current social climate.

Furthermore, I'm sure there's a whole big story about how and why she has a Jewish last name - I mean, I know there are black Jews but it's not common, for reasons I will address shortly, and also I don't think she self-identifies as Jewish - but the historical fact is that MOST black people are INCREDIBLY prejudiced against Jewish people, and most of them don't even try to hide it. It comes from upbringing; many black people are taught from birth that every single bad thing is because of Evil White People, which is already bad enough, but then in turn "the Jews own the banks and run everything" and so they become the MOST evil of the Evil White People. I sh*t you not, the amount of awful sh*t I've heard black people saying about Jews in my lifetime is staggering. Out loud and in public, even. You'd THINK they would catch themselves in the hypocrisy of it all, but then Racism and Common Sense have never been great bedfellows to start with.

So anyway, it's pretty likely that no matter what she says out loud, Whoopi probably has a generous amount of bias towards Jewish people just by way of how she was brought up as a black person, just like how white people raised in the South absolutely say the N-word as a default when they know they're in like-minded company because that's how they were raised to be. It's wrong in either case, but as we've seen over the years this is just the way it is with certain groups of people. It's hardwired.

So Whoopi most likely sees nothing wrong with what she said because she's probably heard and said worse behind closed doors. I don't think she's a full-blown bigot, she seems like a generally nice person, but if you say "Well, black people hate Jewish people, so there you go", nobody will fight too hard. I don't think she "hates" them but she was most likely brought up with the idea that it's an "acceptable prejudice".

[Sumac]

If we're going to politicise this then while I'm sure it's novel for many on the right to find themselves on the other side of this kind of issue I do find it a little disingenuous when they defend people who said the same or similar. There's almost an element of "finally we get to cancel one" whether they personally find anything wrong with what they said or not. Think the people responsible for trying to get Sam Seder or James Gunn fired. In the former instance they deliberately twisted what Seder had said and the latter it was a bunch of literal nazis with a history of similar tweets.
I am sure, your side will learn to deal with it. ;)

I think people are capable of separating the actress from the role.
Good joke.

For the supposed intolerance of the left liberals do tolerate a lot of problematic behavior
Yeah, especially when accused are part of their own clique.

So Whoopi most likely sees nothing wrong with what she said because she's probably heard and said worse behind closed doors. I don't think she's a full-blown bigot, she seems like a generally nice person, but if you say "Well, black people hate Jewish people, so there you go", nobody will fight too hard. I don't think she "hates" them but she was most likely brought up with the idea that it's an "acceptable prejudice".
I dare to say, that, if you stated something like this in left-leaning place, you would have some characters popping up, claiming that "Blacks hating Asians is White people's fault" vua some "discriminatory practices and Capitalism and bla-bla-bla".

Basically in their minds Blacks can not be guilty and when they do something wrong it is never their fault. Same with women in a modern feminism. Or trans.

It is almost like Left in general treat people like dumb children and turn White people into boogiemen, because, kids need some villain who makes them do bad things, since their ideology thoroughly based on childish feelings and sentiments.

[Andrew NDB]

I think it's a pretty simple diagram for me, at least.

Are they a person that is an active participant of the cancel culture themselves? Have they been rooting for people to have their careers ruined and/or applauding when it happens?

Are they on the left, but not a member of the cancel culture?

If the latter, then no. Of course I wouldn't want anything adverse to happen to them beyond a sincere apology if something truly bad was actually done or said and a quick course correction. If the former, then yeah... reap what you sow.

Whoopi has been very loud about her involvement in cancel culture for years, relishing in it every time it "works." So screw her.

Which isn't to say I want Guinan to be suddenly burned in effigy, like the left does with other Star Trek characters (to use one example, Icheb) when their actor says bad things on Twitter. I am able to separate the actor from the performance.

[Coola Yagami]

I think it's a pretty simple diagram for me, at least.

Are they a person that is an active participant of the cancel culture themselves? Have they been rooting for people to have their careers ruined and/or applauding when it happens?

Are they on the left, but not a member of the cancel culture?

If the latter, then no. Of course I wouldn't want anything adverse to happen to them beyond a sincere apology if something truly bad was actually done or said and a quick course correction. If the former, then yeah... reap what you sow.

Whoopi has been very loud about her involvement in cancel culture for years, relishing in it every time it "works." So screw her.

Which isn't to say I want Guinan to be suddenly burned in effigy, like the left does with other Star Trek characters (to use one example, Icheb) when their actor says bad things on Twitter. I am able to separate the actor from the performance.

I'm just like, well fair is fair. Fire Gina, then fire Whoopi.

[Leo656]

In a perfect world, nobody would be getting fired just for sticking their foot in their mouth. BUT, The Left created this whole climate of "One Strike and You're Out, No Leeway And No Second Chances", so by all means let it go both ways. It CAN'T just be "...If You Vote Republican". That simply isn't right or fair.

[Andrew NDB]

I'm just like, well fair is fair. Fire Gina, then fire Whoopi.

As long as Whoopi is someone that has been spouting that stuff. Turns out she has. For a very long time. If she hadn't? I'd say leave her alone, left or right.

That's all I'm saying.

[CyberCubed]

Imagine if she had said that right before or about the time she was cast in Picard Season 2 and they were going to film her scenes. Would they fire her and drop her from the show? Obviously it's too late now since her scenes are filmed and done, but I wonder if she had said this around 2 years ago, they might have passed her up for Picard.

[Leo656]

Nah, she's pretty much a cultural institution. People really want to like her. She'll get as many second chances as she wants. She'd still be on the show anyway. People don't cancel people they want to like. They just use it as excuses to get rid of people they DON'T like.

[Andrew NDB]

As suspected, season 2's trip to the 2020s will be about showing how we're in a "troubling time" and "things could get very much worse" and the only cure is a big dose of equality:

https://www.smh.com.au/culture/tv-and-radio/we-re-in-a-troubling-time-patrick-stewart-on-picard-s-quest-for-equality-20220222-p59ymn.html

[Sumac]

As suspected, season 2's trip to the 2020s will be about showing how we're in a "troubling time" and "things could get very much worse" and the only cure is a big dose of equality:

https://www.smh.com.au/culture/tv-and-radio/we-re-in-a-troubling-time-patrick-stewart-on-picard-s-quest-for-equality-20220222-p59ymn.html
This retards still milking Trump?
He struck a nerve it seems with those freaks.

[Andrew NDB]

This retards still milking Trump?

They may not mention him by name, but guaranteed this whole damn season will be a cautionary tale about "you better not vote for Trump in 2024 because look at what will happen! Naziism in the 24th century!" Which is to say, weaponizing Star Trek as tool of democrat voter propaganda.

[IMJ]

They may not mention him by name, but guaranteed this whole damn season will be a cautionary tale about "you better not vote for Trump in 2024 because look at what will happen! Naziism in the 24th century!" Which is to say, weaponizing Star Trek as tool of democrat voter propaganda.

I love how people hide behind "Star Trek was always progressive!" in complete disregard of the utter disconnect between original equality in Star Trek morality plays and the extremism pushed by the left today.

[CyberCubed]

The weird thing is in the Star Trek universe they were on the early stages of World War 3 here. If this season wasn't filmed already they could have used the Russian/Ukraine crisis as the basis for it.

By 2063 we were already in the aftermath.

[Andrew NDB]

I have to dole out credit where it is due. Yes, there are a few annoying things in the season premiere I don't really want to get into... but it is light years better than anything in STD or STP so far. There are large swaths of time where I forgot this was NuTrek and this did indeed feel like a TNG continuation.

Then again, so did the first episode of last season. And I'm kind of aware the rest of the season is about to go back to 2024 and become a modern political thing, maybe with some DS9 Bell Riots sprinkled over it if they even remember them. Worse, if they pervert and retcon/reappropriate the Bell Riots to be a BLM thing.

So we'll see.

Also, I swear they swiped my idea I posted in the CBS Picard page about how Q should first show up because it was rote what I posted as suggestion. And Guinan's intro...man, why even give the explanation they did to the audience? She doesn't look that much older the way they did her up. She just looks about 500 pounds heavier. They addressed the wrong thing. It should've just been her patting her belly going "the years have been good to me! Better than to you, I think!" or nothing at all. They actually assign to her a superpower we never knew she had just to get out of the wrong problem.

[neatoman]

The weird thing is in the Star Trek universe they were on the early stages of World War 3 here. If this season wasn't filmed already they could have used the Russian/Ukraine crisis as the basis for it.

By 2063 we were already in the aftermath.

I really don't like the implication that the invasion of Ukraine not only can but will lead to WWIII. It's a scary thing already, please don't make it worse.

[Andrew NDB]

I really don't like the implication that the invasion of Ukraine not only can but will lead to WWIII. It's a scary thing already, please don't make it worse.

That is the least likely outcome of about... 3 or 4 other outcomes. Most likely is that Russia "wins," occupies for 10-20 years and there is a constant resistance that the US and others might funnel help to. Or maybe there's no resistance after a certain point. Certainly nobody is eager to jump into a nuke game even if Russia can be defeated easily.

[neatoman]

That is the least likely outcome of about... 3 or 4 other outcomes. Most likely is that Russia "wins," occupies for 10-20 years and there is a constant resistance that the US and others might funnel help to. Or maybe there's no resistance after a certain point. Certainly nobody is eager to jump into a nuke game even if Russia can be defeated easily.

WWIII isn't what I'm worried about, a war in Europe is bad by default and I don't like the idea of any escalation. Russia, the UK and France all having nukes isn't exactly easing my mind.

[Sumac]

That is the least likely outcome of about... 3 or 4 other outcomes. Most likely is that Russia "wins," occupies for 10-20 years and there is a constant resistance that the US and others might funnel help to. Or maybe there's no resistance after a certain point. Certainly nobody is eager to jump into a nuke game even if Russia can be defeated easily.
You should not afraid NATO throwing nukes around, but Russia, since they might believe they not have a choice.

[Andrew NDB]

You should not afraid NATO throwing nukes around, but Russia, since they might believe they not have a choice.

Yeah, that's what I mean. If Putin has his back against a wall.

[Andrew NDB]

Also, I swear they swiped my idea I posted in the CBS Picard page about how Q should first show up because it was rote what I posted as suggestion. And Guinan's intro...man, why even give the explanation they did to the audience? She doesn't look that much older the way they did her up. She just looks about 500 pounds heavier. They addressed the wrong thing. It should've just been her patting her belly going "the years have been good to me! Better than to you, I think!" or nothing at all. They actually assign to her a superpower we never knew she had just to get out of the wrong problem.

Found it:

https://i.ibb.co/wMZc4gs/274467012-507135904093339-4262703271141298597-n.jpg

[Vegita-San]

why is he listening to a vynl record? in 2390?

[Andrew NDB]

why is he listening to a vynl record? in 2390?

It's 2401 now.

[Galactus]

why is he listening to a vynl record? in 2390?

It's kinda been a Star Trek thing that old technology is still used. They tend to shy away from using any real world contemporary tech, it's either pure sci fi stuff or stuff from decades past. With the Picard family in particular Jean Luc's father and older brother were complete luddites, while Jean Luc rebelled against that attitude it's been shown it's rubbed off in him to some degree.

Anyway I watched the first two episodes of the new season. They were pretty good but displayed the problem I personally have with these newer Trek shows that the writers don't seem all that comfortable with season long arcs. The first episode in particular seemed like a lot of time was treading water getting to the big twist at the end even the Guinan scene seemed like padding. Speaking of which is Whoopi Goldberg just doing this one cameo as given her powers to perceive changes in time and her implied history with Q it might have been better to save her for another episode.

The second episode was better. Like the first it was all leading to the cliff hanger but they did a better job at building up this totalitarian world in a way they the first episode failed to convey what Earth and the Federation is like in Picard's present. We kinda needed that to care about history being changed as the last we saw of it Starfleet was corrupt and humans had a fear of artifcial life forms. The ending of the first season and the beginning of this one indicated things have improved but should have seen it more. It's obviously going to be a big theme of the season but didn't need so many scenes setting up the big mystery of why Picard didn't settle down.

[neatoman]

I'm not too weirded out by that part, vinyl records have been largely outdated for about 40-50 years now and some people are still using them. It's not even like that random weirdo who still uses the Apple-II or something, I've seen records being sold brand new in some stores that don't even specialise in music, it's a relatively common hobby to still collect records.

[ZariusTwo]

I remember an episode of Red Dwarf even predicted that VHS would come back into fashion:D

[Andrew NDB]

So they made it to 2024 in the last episode. Let's see... a little bit of commentary on climate change right off the bat. Rios gets knocked out and ends up in a hospital, where ICE (who are naturally portrayed as monsters) try to take him away for deportation because he doesn't have any ID.

Still... so far I can't say this season is being written poorly yet, as the last season was.

[Andrew NDB]

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Dead-on.

[IMJ]

Wasn't Khan and a global war on tyranny and eugenics supposed to be happening in Star Trek canon right now? If it doesn't happen it changes the entirety of Trek continuity.

[Andrew NDB]

Wasn't Khan and a global war on tyranny and eugenics supposed to be happening in Star Trek canon right now?

No. It already happened in the 90s.

Actually there's a couple of books that showed how all of that did happen blended into real world events.

[Jester]

Glad I'm not alone in my "It's the Mirror Universe....only NOT the Mirror Universe...but totally the Mirror Universe" feelings.

[Andrew NDB]

So episode 4...

... Picard meets 2024 Guinan. To save budget, she is working in exactly the same bar with exactly the same exterior from the year 2501 (in the same episode, they visit 2024 Chateau Picard to save money... with exactly the same set as the 2501 Chateau Picard (even though the original burned down in Generations and wouldn't look like the one from TNG or 2024?). No, not played by Goldberg and it's a lady that looks nothing like her. Guinan doesn't remember Picard from "Time's Arrow" at all. Which at first, of course the kneejerk is "Kurtzman never saw it!" And maybe that's true. But I TEND to think the idea here is that Picard never met Guinan in "Time's Arrow" because in this timeline Picard never became the Captain Picard who went back in time to meet her for the first time... so at a first glance it checks out.

But if you think about it deeper, it gets hairier. So we now know the rules of time travel in Star Trek are that... if someone time-travels to January 6th, 1901 and effects the future, killing them in their present before they time-travelled to January 6th, 1901 would remove the time-travelling to the past altogether. i.e., if you were to visit January 6th, 1901, you wouldn't see the time-traveller ever popping up at all. Which I guess sounds right?

So kind of my point is... if when we get back to the present and everything is restored and Guinan is like, "I've been waiting to tell you about that time we met in 2024 for decades" (which is absolutely going to happen) that's going to be bullsh**. In violation of the very rules they just established. Because she should just go back to remembering only the timeline where he visited her in "Time's Arrow," not in 2024 in a timeline that never happened now. By the same token Guinan should then remember everything that happened in the other timeline in "Yesterday's Enterprise."

And Laris is the Watcher. Maybe always has been the Watcher. *yawn*

[IMJ]

No. It already happened in the 90s.

Actually there's a couple of books that showed how all of that did happen blended into real world events.

Oh... that's interesting....

[Andrew NDB]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Eugenics_Wars:_The_Rise_and_Fall_of_Khan_Nooni en_Singh

Now, that explains away the Eugenics Wars. The far bigger problem is WWIII, which in Star Trek goes from 2026-2053.

Maybe that's what these hacks are talking about, that Picard season 2 will "change the canon" in the end. Maybe WWIII gets circumvented altogether, so Picard and company return to an altered Kelvin-like Timeline.

[Andrew NDB]

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[Andrew NDB]

Oh dear god... they're going to ruin them, too.

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[ZariusTwo]

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[Vegita-San]

Oh dear god... they're going to ruin them, too.

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I lost so much respect for the woke star trek cast over the last few years, it doesn't matter as much to me anymore.

[Andrew NDB]

I lost so much respect for the woke star trek cast over the last few years, it doesn't matter as much to me anymore.

I think the only ones that haven't gone nutty are Spiner, Dorn, and McFadden, that I'm aware of. But I don't want to dig too hard because I might find something.

[Vegita-San]

I think the only ones that haven't gone nutty are Spiner, Dorn, and McFadden, that I'm aware of. But I don't want to dig too hard because I might find something.

good to know not ALL of them have gone to the evil mirror unniverse.

[Andrew NDB]

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[DarkFell]

^ What is even happening anymore..

[IMJ]

Was that actually in the show or was that some kind of.... bonus short or something?

It was funny for sure, but that honestly seems like something they'd do on Star Trek nowadays.

[neatoman]

If anyone cares to know, that clip is from a show called Blunt Talk and it is unrelated to Stark Trek.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blunt_Talk

[IMJ]

If anyone cares to know, that clip is from a show called Blunt Talk and it is unrelated to Stark Trek.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blunt_Talk

:lol:
Like I said - it was damn funny, but honestly that could've been a vignette from the new show and I'd have believed it.

[neatoman]

"Stark Trek"

... Probably shouldn't have been drinking today...

[Andrew NDB]

Shesus. 9 was about the stupidest written piece of TV I've ever seen. I'm not talking about woke stuff or leftist this or that... this is just pure drivel. Like a 13 year old who doesn't like Star Trek was tasked with writing a Star Trek script. Truly awful every step of the way. And I actually was... able to tolerate the first three episodes. I even mostly liked the first one.

Good god, Stewart deserves better than this. His interviews aside.

[Sumac]

Good god, Stewart deserves better than this. His interviews aside.
I've heard that he has enormous creative control over the series, so if anything, all this stupidity could be attributed to him and his, ahem, beliefs.

[member_removed]

A few "issues" I had with this one.

At one point when the “drones” had them pinned down, Picard said “do it” when he could’ve said “make it so”.

Borg drones with machine guns? Really? And Seven and Raffi could run straight through the field without any problems. What are those green lights on the drones for then, a Def Leppard concert! 12 Borg with machine guns aren’t scary. 2 or 3 unstoppable drones adapting to the battle tactics, that’s scarier!

The ECH, FFS! Was is holo-Elnor looking for weapons? Why is he hiding? He should be unstoppable. Create some holo-weapons and hack them up!

How can Jurati fight off assimilation when known one else has been able to?

Make up some flimsy excuse! The nanites material from the car batteries was impure so the baby drones are imperfect and that's why Jurati has been able to fight off the queen in her mind.

Jesus, they can take the time to explain why Guinan looks old and fat, but they can't explain why the Borg are made to act and be as effective as Cardassain cannon fodder in a DS9 episode.

Absolute dumpster fire!

[member_removed]

I've heard that he has enormous creative control over the series, so if anything, all this stupidity could be attributed to him and his, ahem, beliefs.

I blame Stewart's creative control for Insurrection and Nemesis sucking dog's balls back in the day. They should've filmed Michael Pillars original script for Insurrection as intended.

But no, we had to have Worf singing Gilbert and Sullivan, because, honestly **** knows.

[superstaff]

I blame Stewart's creative control for Insurrection and Nemesis sucking dog's balls back in the day. They should've filmed Michael Pillars original script for Insurrection as intended.

But no, we had to have Worf singing Gilbert and Sullivan, because, honestly **** knows.

Nice, glad to see someone else agree on that.

Watch the BTS for those TNG movies, or watch RedLetterMedia's reviews of them. Yeah. Stewart was a huge reason why those movies sucked.

[CyberCubed]

What was wrong with the recent episode?

[Jester]

So Dr. Jarati has become the Borg queen...BUT she'd be the queen when Picard became Locutus and 7 was assimilated right? She went back to the Delta quadrant in 2024 shouldn't that totally revise the Borg?

[superstaff]

So Dr. Jarati has become the Borg queen...BUT she'd be the queen when Picard became Locutus and 7 was assimilated right? She went back to the Delta quadrant in 2024 shouldn't that totally revise the Borg?

Don't ask questions. Just consume product then get excited for next product.

[Jester]

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/AmusingEntireAustralianshelduck.webp

[oldmanwinters]

So Dr. Jarati has become the Borg queen...BUT she'd be the queen when Picard became Locutus and 7 was assimilated right? She went back to the Delta quadrant in 2024 shouldn't that totally revise the Borg?

Isn’t it the trendy thing these days to retcon away substantially better eras of a franchise because… reasons?

[superstaff]

Isn’t it the trendy thing these days to retcon away substantially better eras of a franchise because… reasons?

Yeah. That's what's trendy now.

You know, trash that's a mess of virtue signaling politics, poorly written plotlines and characters, and pointless, random fanservice. No franchise is safe, and honestly, seems like the majority of them have been defiled by now.

It's depressing, and difficult for me to accept, but these shows, comics, books, what-have-you are basically tainted. Like, I can't go back and watch an episode of TNG without thinking about Picard. I try not to, of course. But it still pops in my mind. Same like how I can't watch the OT without thinking about cynical hermit Luke who drinks green milk and has it drip down his nasty beard.

I used to use Star Trek as a means of hope because my childhood and teenage years were hell, and it was one of the things I used to cope with my trauma. It's sad what's become of this series.

[Andrew NDB]

Horrible finale on every level. And where's Q's wife and son, exactly? Too inconvenient to their stupid 2nd grade story, like Picard's brother?

And the Drekkies' defense of not recognizing Picard from "Time's Arrow" is now rendered B.S. because Guinan in the present now remembers him from 2024. I thought it was a different timeline?

[superstaff]

Horrible finale on every level. And where's Q's wife and son, exactly? Too inconvenient to their stupid 2nd grade story, like Picard's brother?

Second graders can probably write a better Trek story.

Though I think this is the best time for people to just abandon nuTrek. It's not going to get better, and even if it somehow did, it won't undo all the damage STD, Lower Decks, and this have done to the franchise.

[neatoman]

I haven't watched season 2, from what I understand it seems like it's even worse than season 1, would you say it is?

[superstaff]

I haven't watched season 2, from what I understand it seems like it's even worse than season 1, would you say it is?

It's all been garbage. But yeah, season 2 is probably worse, and I think nuTrek gets worse as time goes on.

[Andrew NDB]

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[neatoman]

OK, I think I'm just going to stay away from season 2 and 3 until 3 concludes. Thank god this garbage literally won't continue past season 3 anyway.

[Andrew NDB]

Also it seems clear now both what season 3 will be about AND what a spinoff would be.

Season 3 will be about Picard and the TNG crew going into that new, FAKE transwarp conduit on some stupid last adventure.

The spinoff would be about Captain Lesbian of Nine and her girlfriend as her #1 on the USS Stargazer. I thought they might do this with Captain Rios, who was the only somewhat likeable character in either season, but they left him behind in 2024 to die in a bar fight (wtf?!).

[CyberCubed]

So Dr. Jarati has become the Borg queen...BUT she'd be the queen when Picard became Locutus and 7 was assimilated right? She went back to the Delta quadrant in 2024 shouldn't that totally revise the Borg?

No, this Borg Queen is a separate collective from the rest of the Borg and the previous Borg Queens seen in TNG and Voyager. All the previous Borg episodes still happened as they did, whereas this one has remained in isolation for 400 years.

Horrible finale on every level. And where's Q's wife and son, exactly? Too inconvenient to their stupid 2nd grade story, like Picard's brother?

They said Picard's brother was at boarding school in one of the first few eps. As for Q's son...who knows.


I haven't watched season 2, from what I understand it seems like it's even worse than season 1, would you say it is?

The first two episodes were good and the finale, but them middle eps should have been condensed. It's basically 7 episodes in present day (2024) Earth, but you really only needed 3 of them at most. They could have cut the dumb ice episode arresting hispanics, and one of the other ones where Picard and Guinan were interrogated or at least combined them.

As for 7 of 9 being in a lesbian relationship, I don't really mind. I mean who cares? They're both middle age women and the Chakotay relaitonship at the end of Voyager was far worse. Seriously this is the last thing anyone should be complaining about.

I also liked the final scenes with Picard and Q.

[superstaff]

They said Picard's brother was at boarding school in one of the first few eps. As for Q's son...who knows.


Why was Robert at a boarding school but not Jean-Luc? Seemed kind of like a dumb writers-covering-their-asses retcon, to me.

[IMJ]

I just got around to watching Episode 1 of season 2.
eh.

[Andrew NDB]

I just got around to watching Episode 1 of season 2.
eh.

Jeeze, if you hated that one... boy oh boy does it get dramatically worse. After episode 3 it's just awful and CHEAP.

I actually enjoyed that first episode, for the most part.

[CyberCubed]

Why was Robert at a boarding school but not Jean-Luc? Seemed kind of like a dumb writers-covering-their-asses retcon, to me.

I think Picard is only like, 7-8 in the flashbacks as a kid? I forget how much older is his brother than him? He looked like an old man in TNG era.

[CyberCubed]

Fun fact: Voyager did a 2-part episode in Season 3 with almost the same exact plot as this season. Travel back in time to 1996 and Paris falls in love with a girl from the present time whereas Janeway tries to find the time patrol agent guy to get them back to their time.

[Jester]

The spinoff would be about Captain Lesbian of Nine and her girlfriend as her #1 on the USS Stargazer. I thought they might do this with Captain Rios, who was the only somewhat likeable character in either season, but they left him behind in 2024 to die in a bar fight (wtf?!).
I think the spinoff will involve a time traveling Not Soji...because that Wesley Crusher scene was super tacked on and felt like a poor attempt at a backdoor pilot.

[CyberCubed]

I can't help but feel every season of Picard should of just been a 2 hour and 20 minute movie, and most (but not all) of the problems of the show would be gone. The 10 episode season long plots don't really have enough content to fill 10 hours, so there's so much padding in the middle.

I know there's probably fan-edits out there, but if you condense Season 1 into a 2 hour+ movie, and condense Season 2 into a 2 hour+ movie, you'll have a decent viewing experience.

[superstaff]

I can't help but feel every season of Picard should of just been a 2 hour and 20 minute movie, and most (but not all) of the problems of the show would be gone. The 10 episode season long plots don't really have enough content to fill 10 hours, so there's so much padding in the middle.

I know there's probably fan-edits out there, but if you condense Season 1 into a 2 hour+ movie, and condense Season 2 into a 2 hour+ movie, you'll have a decent viewing experience.

That's a part of it, though the bad writing is also a huge factor. With a two hour movie, there'd be less junk. Problem is, Kurtzman and his cronies would still make trash, it'd just be shorter.

[neatoman]

So from what I understand, only three episodes or so take place in the 25th century, the rest take place in modern day? If so... What the hell? Is it a budget thing?

[CyberCubed]

So from what I understand, only three episodes or so take place in the 25th century, the rest take place in modern day? If so... What the hell? Is it a budget thing?

Yes.

Episode 1 is in the 25th cenutry. Episode 2 is in an alternate timeline of the 25th century. Then episodes 3-9 are in 2024, and then the final episode goes back to the present time.

So basically 7 episodes are set in L.A. in 2024. As I said, you could condense it to be about 3 episodes and nothing would be lost.

[Andrew NDB]

That's a part of it, though the bad writing is also a huge factor. With a two hour movie, there'd be less junk. Problem is, Kurtzman and his cronies would still make trash, it'd just be shorter.

That's correct.

[neatoman]

So what the hell possessed them to think it should mostly take place in present day? Did STD siphon the budget and they had no idea how else to meet the 10 episode quota with what they had?

[Andrew NDB]

So what the hell possessed them to think it should mostly take place in present day? Did STD siphon the budget and they had no idea how else to meet the 10 episode quota with what they had?

Yes. Just like last season, when STP gave a big portion of its budget to STD. To them STP is member berries that only needs Patrick Stewart to work while STD is what they really want to push as "Trek."

Also, looks like officially it's just Seven and Raffi back for the final season:

https://www.darkhorizons.com/four-exit-star-trek-picard-ahead-of-s3/

Such beloved new characters from STP seasons 1 and 2 we said loving goodbyes to this season. It'll be so awesome to see what awful traumas and character breaking stuff is coming for the TNG cast next season.

[superstaff]

Also, looks like officially it's just Seven and Raffi back for the final season:

https://www.darkhorizons.com/four-exit-star-trek-picard-ahead-of-s3/

Such beloved new characters from STP seasons 1 and 2 we said loving goodbyes to this season. It'll be so awesome to see what awful traumas and character breaking stuff is coming for the TNG cast next season.

Oh, Christ. Ugh.

This show is such a mess. It's so obvious to me that none of the people working on the show actually care about Star Trek. I don't care how 'huge fans' they claim to be.

[IMJ]

Jeeze, if you hated that one... boy oh boy does it get dramatically worse. After episode 3 it's just awful and CHEAP.

I actually enjoyed that first episode, for the most part.

I didn't necessarily hate episode one, but I realized that I'm watching the show out of the compulsion of hoping to see things I love and the desire to see more post-Nemesis Federation.

And the Stargazer was very cool. But all of the small elements, like Rios smoking a cigar as Captain of a Federation ship just screams "ghetto Trek" to me. "We can.... ALL... be Starship Captains and still signal that being gay in space is more important than anything". Except now it's worse because the forced inclusion doesn't mean "involvement if you are talented" but instead "involvement without formatting so that you can bring any extreme nonsense personality traits with you".

But the first episode was at least set in post-Nemesis Federation. I've seen the trailers. I know that later on the show represents Patrick Stewart when he said "I would only do this show if we do new things" and later on Picard delivers the line "we must go to the past to repair the future". Oh wait he said that in First Contact... what?

[Andrew NDB]

So basically the whole TNG cast was allowed to write for their characters for season 3 (because that's worked out so well with allowing Stewart to do that so far):

https://www.darkhorizons.com/picard-showrunner-on-s3s-tng-reunion/

[IMJ]

So basically the whole TNG cast was allowed to write for their characters for season 3 (because that's worked out so well with allowing Stewart to do that so far):

https://www.darkhorizons.com/picard-showrunner-on-s3s-tng-reunion/

Sounds like some extremely liberal formatting of a "team". Can't wait to see what an eclectic mess of $#!( season 3 will be. The liberal life - throw $#!( at the wall to see what happens and never realize that all you did was cover your wall in $#!(.

[Sumac]

So it will be even bigger mess than before.
And, of course, each member will try to portray their character as "super woke"

[superstaff]

The people waiting for Picard to 'get better' are going to have to wait forever. Like...this show is broken, and nothing can really fix it. It's too late. The TNG cast have proven they're clueless on what made the show special, that much is clear. It really is like the Family Guy sketch where Stewie kidnaps the TNG cast, they really are that stupid, and are nothing like their characters. Furthermore than that, I'll repeat that this show is ruined, and sometimes, you can't fix something that broke even if you try to glue it together fifty million times.

[Andrew NDB]

And none of the cast are writers. And most of them are wokesters.

[Andrew NDB]

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[Leo656]

They're actually still doing this?

[Sumac]

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Is it another season of this ****ed up torture?

[member_removed]

Well at least Worf looks like "old man Worf" (All good things) and not some Shakespearian goblin 4 nostriled two dicked nightmare.

[Andrew NDB]

Well at least Worf looks like "old man Worf" (All good things) and not some Shakespearian goblin 4 nostriled two dicked nightmare.

But he shouldn't look like Old Man Worf yet. Worf looks older than Kor and all of them from DS9 and they were like 150 years old.

[CyberCubed]

I forget, how long are Klingon lifespans? It's not as long as Vulcans right?

[member_removed]

I forget, how long are Klingon lifespans? It's not as long as Vulcans right?

https://scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/35078/how-long-do-klingons-live#:~:text=No%20exact%20lifespan%20has%20been,th eir%20encounter%20with%20James%20Kirk.

So supposedly Koloth was 150 in Blood Oath.

I would think Worf, by the time of Picard should be in his 70's.

[ZariusTwo]

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[IMJ]

Should've been season 1.

[Andrew NDB]

So all the hubbub about "is it the Enterprise E?" "is it the Enterprise F?" it turns out to be the Titan, a 20+ year old ship at this point? And why does it look like it's from the time of Admiral Kirk?

[IMJ]

So all the hubbub about "is it the Enterprise E?" "is it the Enterprise F?" it turns out to be the Titan, a 20+ year old ship at this point? And why does it look like it's from the time of Admiral Kirk?

The Titan was Riker's command after Nemesis. So in that regard, it's cool to get to see it, but yeah it felt like a design closer to the Enterprise-C than to the E.

[CyberCubed]

So are the entire crew going to be in the same episodes together?

Also this is basically going to be a 10 hour movie, give or take, so I guess a decent send-off as ever since this will be the absolute last time we see these characters.

[Andrew NDB]

So are the entire crew going to be in the same episodes together?

Sounds like it. Except for whoever/whatever Brent Spiner is playing. Hopefully Lore.

Also this is basically going to be a 10 hour movie, give or take, so I guess a decent send-off as ever since this will be the absolute last time we see these characters.

I wouldn't count any of them out. They're talking about Star Trek: Janeway (can't imagine how they'd mess that up -- not!) and a Seven of Nine spinoff so who knows who would pop in.

[IMJ]

He's probably playing whatever Soong lineage character it was he played in season 1.....

[CyberCubed]

Well I hope this is a better send-off than Nemesis was. I didn't hate Season 2 of Picard but it should have been condensed to 5-6 episodes, they clearly didn't have enough story material for 10. I still don't know why they didn't explain why Q was mysteriously dying though...who knows? I doubt the writers even know.

In a way if this is continuous this is basically a 5th Next Gen movie stretched to roughly 10 hours. Maybe less since each episode is probably 45 minutes so about 8-9 hours. Will this be the send-off we always wanted or will people be disappointed and/or angry? I can't see them doing much worse outside of killing off half the cast which I don't see happening.

[Andrew NDB]

Well I hope this is a better send-off than Nemesis was.

Don't count on it. These writers have only really seen the TNG movies so they think the TNG movies represent like the zenith of TNG to the fans.

[IMJ]

Well I hope this is a better send-off than Nemesis was

That is distinctly a key reason as to why Picard Season 1 was so ridiculous. Nemesis was not a gratifying ending at all for the Next Gen crew.

And then they bring Data back in Picard S1 only to basically do wrong by him all over again for no reason.

[CyberCubed]

I haven't read any spoilers, are they going to touch upon the "good" Borg aspect from last season? I assume not since the actress said she didn't return for Season 3. Weird thing to leave open unless they're saving that for a 7 of 9 series.

[Andrew NDB]

I haven't read any spoilers, are they going to touch upon the "good" Borg aspect from last season? I assume not since the actress said she didn't return for Season 3. Weird thing to leave open unless they're saving that for a 7 of 9 series.

They're not saving anything for anything. They're making this up as they go and almost immediately end up losing interest in their own ideas as they do. This is why there's 20 producers on everything Star Trek since 2005.

[Andrew NDB]

Oh, good. They're going to "explore the criminal underbelly" of the Star Trek universe which has "never been done before." So... more gritty explosions and phasering Trek. Perfect. Exactly how TNG should be bookended.

https://movieweb.com/star-trek-picard-season-3-to-explore-treks-criminal-underbelly/

[IMJ]

Oh, good. They're going to "explore the criminal underbelly" of the Star Trek universe which has "never been done before." So... more gritty explosions and phasering Trek. Perfect. Exactly how TNG should be bookended.

https://movieweb.com/star-trek-picard-season-3-to-explore-treks-criminal-underbelly/

Which hasn't been done before? Sort of like every TNG episode where Picard used his "Mott" alias? Never been done before like that?

I hate these people.

[ZariusTwo]

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[Andrew NDB]

So no Ilia... but Moriarty! And it IS Lore. And Enterprise-F.

Exciting stuff, but you just know it will be 10 jumbled episodes that comprise a hot mess again. With 20 producers on everything and no cohesive vision as always. Also, back to a big scary black ship as the big bad, same as the last 4 Star Trek movies before Beyond.

[member_removed]

That trailer get's me excited.

But so did the trailers for seasons 1 and 2, so I'm going to keep my expectations very low for this.

Honestly it looks like they're just throwing everything in the kitchen sink and hoping for the best. Meh.

My biggest question is, why has Lore been reassembled? The last we saw of him in Descent, IIRC Data had deactivated him. I mean if they keep B4 in draw after all the BS with the "Synth's" from season 1. Why reactivate Lore.

Best guess? Moriarty was created to best Data, so to beat Moriarty they need a Data like intelligence. But I think I'm giving Kurtzman and co too much credit.

[CyberCubed]

Moriarty must be mad they sent him out into a holodeck program letting him believe it was real for about 4 decades.

Well this is basically it I guess, it's a 10 hour or so movie. I guess they can't bring everyone back like Troi's mother for obvious reasons, or even Alexander, but they tried to throw in as many characters as they could.

[Andrew NDB]

That's the worry right there. The trailer has some lady looking for vengeance agaist Picard for something he did probably in a random episode of TNG, Moriarty (???), and Lore. What possible story could include all 3 things in a straight forward manner?

[Galactus]

Since both Lore and Moriarty are artificial intelligences who were for all intents and purposes nullified I would imagine the main villain of the season brought them back to help get revenge against Picard and the Enterprise D/E crew.

[Andrew NDB]

Since both Lore and Moriarty are artificial intelligences who were for all intents and purposes nullified I would imagine the main villain of the season brought them back to help get revenge against Picard and the Enterprise D/E crew.

That's not a bad thought, though it looks like Lore is already in custody?

[Andrew NDB]

TNG cast lying about caring for their fans:

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[Vegita-San]

TNG cast lying about caring for their fans:

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Just don't vote for trump, otherwise troi will rip you a new one. she absolutely would not have hugged that fan if she had a trump 2024 sticker on her.

Rikers' attitude completely changes when he tries to bring up PS3. I think he knows it's a flop.

[Andrew NDB]

Kurtzman and Stewart are threatening a fourth season now, but only if it can hold to the same "quality" as the first three seasons:

https://www.darkhorizons.com/stewart-open-to-a-fourth-picard-season/

[Roseangelo]

Kurtzman and Stewart are threatening a fourth season now, but only if it can hold to the same "quality" as the first three seasons:

https://www.darkhorizons.com/stewart-open-to-a-fourth-picard-season/

They're only wavering because they expect we'll like the OG crew being back. But you can't go much lower than season 2, and season 1 was only slightly better.

Let it die.

[Andrew NDB]

I can't wait to hear about all the new traumas they've inflicted ok all the main cast since Nemesis. Like Riker's dead baby trauma.

[member_removed]

Kurtzman and Stewart are threatening a fourth season now, but only if it can hold to the same "quality" as the first three seasons:

https://www.darkhorizons.com/stewart-open-to-a-fourth-picard-season/

Well that won't be a challenge, good to see Kurtzman setting achievable goals.

I'm ready to be done with Picard, one more Season, I can suffer through that?

It's not as easy as walking away from Disco, sorry not for me, enjoy by all means. But Picard is also seven seasons of TNG, I feel the need to push through this. It feels connected to the Trek of old I remember, that I enjoyed.

Which is why I have been able to enjoy Lower Decks and Prodigy, despite the nature of both shows (Sitcom and Kids show). There is connection to old canon. The Klingons look like I remember even Prodigy did the 1960's bridge justice.

[Jester]

Prodigy is surprisingly good for "Star Trek for Kids"...but when has Star Trek not been meant for the whole family to sit and watch together? Still irks me.

[ZariusTwo]

Yeah, many of us were all kids/teenagers when TNG, Voyager and DS9 were airing

[Andrew NDB]

Yeah, I'd thumb my nose at TNG routinely as a kid. "That looks nerdy!" every time a commercial would run, or I'd change the channel. But one day, out of a lack of alternatives, I watched it and accidentally got hooked.

While I can sort of get digging Prodigy on a certain level (I watched a bit of it but couldn't continue as it has nothing to do with Star Trek and everything to do with Guardians of the Galaxy Junior), I can't fathom enjoying Lower Decks. I gave it about... 6-7 episodes. I maybe lightly chuckled once. It's not funny. The main, ongoing joke is Star Trek itself and it uses references to obscure episodes as currency. You're supposed to go "OH! They remembered that one episode of DS9! What great writers that understand Trek these are!" No, these are hacks and this isn't Trek.

[ZariusTwo]

New trailer Sunday


https://twitter.com/TheTrekCentral/status/1617245683546742785?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1617245683546742785%7Ctwgr% 5Ed10910dd29d683196b78e06ab91e5b12dd8e7ff8%7Ctwcon %5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rangerboard.com%2Findex. php%3Fthreads%2F126995%2Fpage-262

[Andrew NDB]

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"We must fight or die!" Explosions, explosions, phasering everywhere, giant evil black ship, etc..

And that Admiral talking to Picard in the beginning about what the old days must have been like for Picard and Riker sounds exactly how Kurtzman and his cronies must view TNG.

[IMJ]

I am very much so looking forward to this season although my head is telling me that it's not going to go well.

My guesses for how this unfolds:

-it's mostly a cameo-fest of the TNG era cast
-it sets up a female TNG spin-off that the studio thinks is going to be huge but then will be pulled once whatever fan-backlash happens from however they will insult the audience this season
-Riker dies when in fact that character would be the best option for a spin-off
-Worf's "Pacifism" dialog is intentionally there to ease any attackers on Boomers or older Gen X. Basically so that the millenial and Gen Y brain trust can't write online articles about how he is an aging example of an old-era of angry old-men, made only a little bit harder to write because he isn't white
-The entire "Data Saga" is convoluted even more by Lore's inclusion, using some explanation for his "aging" that simply could have been used on Data.

[Andrew NDB]

I am very much so looking forward to this season although my head is telling me that it's not going to go well.

You mean the first two seasons didn't do that already?

Yeah, they'll probably push Captain Seven of Nine next. With her girlfriend, Raffi and one or two token TNG/VOY/DS9 characters maybe, in a show not about exploration.