Star Trek: Picard

[Raph's Girl]

Aaand it's official. The next CBS All Access Star Trek series will star Sir Patrick Stewart as Picard and will be post-TNG. Focusing on "the next chapter" in Picard's life. Whatever that means.

https://www.cnet.com/news/star-trek-expands-canon-with-new-show-patrick-stewart-jean-luc-picard/

Patrick just posted this on FB:

"I will always be very proud to have been a part of Star Trek: The Next Generation, but when we wrapped that final movie in the spring of 2002, I truly felt my time with Star Trek had run its natural course. It is, therefore, an unexpected but delightful surprise to find myself excited and invigorated to be returning to Jean-Luc Picard and to explore new dimensions within him. Seeking out new life for him, when I thought that life was over.

During these past years, it has been humbling to hear stories about how The Next Generation brought people comfort, saw them through difficult periods in their lives or how the example of Jean-Luc inspired so many to follow in his footsteps, pursuing science, exploration and leadership. I feel I'm ready to return to him for the same reason – to research and experience what comforting and reforming light he might shine on these often very dark times. I look forward to working with our brilliant creative team as we endeavor to bring a fresh, unexpected and pertinent story to life once more."

[Vegita-San]

PLEASE be good.

re unite the old team. Keep JJ and Discovery crew FARRRR away from it.

[oldmanwinters]

I'll be he uses the Holographic deck to pretend he's running the American CIA.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

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[CyberCubed]

I look forward to cameos from the rest of the TNG cast, no doubt Riker and Worf will show, and of course Data. Maybe some DS9 or Voyager characters too.

At least Star Trek: Nemesis now won't be the last appearance of Picard and maybe some of the others on-screen.

[Andrew NDB]

I will support the f*** out of this. But still, I'm cautious about what shape this will take. If it's just some edgy black ops team going on adventures (like STD), with just Picard doing occasional token appearances? Eh... but hell, even then... cool.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Hopefully, if this takes off and lasts long enough, we can see cameo appearances by Riker, Data, Troi, and Crusher. And maybe they can work in Michael Dorn as a supporting character... He has been wanting a Worf spinoff for years!

I'd love to see cameo appearances by Janeway, Sisko, Seven, Bashir, Odo, and the Doctor!

[Andrew NDB]

Hopefully, if this takes off and lasts long enough, we can see cameo appearances by Riker, Data, Troi, and Crusher. And maybe they can work in Michael Dorn as a supporting character... He has been wanting a Worf spinoff for years!

I'd love to see cameo appearances by Janeway, Sisko, Seven, Bashir, Odo, and the Doctor!

If they show up (and we can be sure they will), it would be far bigger than mere cameos.

[Roseangelo]

I will support the f*** out of this. But still, I'm cautious about what shape this will take. If it's just some edgy black ops team going on adventures (like STD), with just Picard doing occasional token appearances? Eh... but hell, even then... cool.

I see it being more like the episode "Family." Hopefully with the occasional visit from some old Enterprise crewmates.

I'm in.

[ZariusTwo]

Just hope Ahab isn't out to hunt his whale again. Movie Picard is worst Picard.

[CyberCubed]

I just wish Patrick Stewart wasn't 78 years old, by the time this show starts filming he'll be 79. I just hope he's healthy enough in his 80's to keep this going for awhile.

A real shame they didn't get to do this back in say....2010 or so, when he was a lot younger.

[newfan]

I felt a little like that to a point with SW although they were younger.

I like Stewart as an actor, I was more for the original ST crew but Picard really did grow on me. I'll take a look at this when it airs.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

https://www-hollywoodreporter-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.hollywoodreporter.com/amp/live-feed/star-trek-patrick-stewarts-picard-series-reveals-new-details-1174452?usqp=mq331AQECAFYAQ%3D%3D&fbclid=IwAR23gP0G7cvY3LUUpN1HIg-Q2YfapqiFpNNSMh7iuAehHKRqXeqkXjowYcY&amp_js_v=0.1#referrer=https://www.google.com

Honestly, this is exactly what I was hoping for! If anyone can make that plot point from Star Trek 2009 compelling, it's Sir Patrick Stewart!

[ZariusTwo]

Yes, "Countdown" is canon:D

[Andrew NDB]

Yes, "Countdown" is canon:D

Sure sounds like it, or probably the broad strokes of it. I own that, that's the only IDW Trek comic I do.

My only thing, and it's a super, super nitpicky thing and I only mention it because it's us and it's here... OK. So, post-Nemesis, Spock disappears into the Abramsverse... and there's not, like, the mother of all investigations into it? i.e., we need to go and save him from whatever f***ed up piece of [creatively] broken time he ended up in, like at precisely the moment he arrived in? It's the kind of thing that would be solved in 1 episode of anything.

Mostly I'm sad that the real Star Trek timeline has no idea what happened to Spock. In their eyes, he tried to save Romulus and failed. Probably in others' eyes, he helped cause it. Or maybe there's story potential in the controversy.

Though maybe I solved my own dilemma. They probably assume he just died, not going through time and splinter dimensions or whatever. No one even knew that was a property of mystery box matter.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Sure sounds like it, or probably the broad strokes of it. I own that, that's the only IDW Trek comic I do.

My only thing, and it's a super, super nitpicky thing and I only mention it because it's us and it's here... OK. So, post-Nemesis, Spock disappears into the Abramsverse... and there's not, like, the mother of all investigations into it? i.e., we need to go and save him from whatever f***ed up piece of [creatively] broken time he ended up in, like at precisely the moment he arrived in? It's the kind of thing that would be solved in 1 episode of anything.

Mostly I'm sad that the real Star Trek timeline has no idea what happened to Spock. In their eyes, he tried to save Romulus and failed. Probably in others' eyes, he helped cause it. Or maybe there's story potential in the controversy.

Though maybe I solved my own dilemma. They probably assume he just died, not going through time and splinter dimensions or whatever. No one even knew that was a property of mystery box matter.

That. If Jim Kirk was still around, or Bones McCoy wasn't pushing 170, then yeah, somebody would poke around and investigate.

But weighing the importance of one elderly Vulcan ambassador against an entire antagonistic empire that has just completely destabilized...

[Andrew NDB]

That. If Jim Kirk was still around, or Bones McCoy wasn't pushing 170, then yeah, somebody would poke around and investigate.

But weighing the importance of one elderly Vulcan ambassador against an entire antagonistic empire that has just completely destabilized...

True, true...

[Andrew NDB]

Character breakdowns? Apparently.

http://www.darkhorizons.com/first-picard-series-character-breakdowns/

Eh... jeeze. I'm reading these and I'm just imagining the kind of series direction they'll do. And it sounds like more "Edgy Trek"... but I'm also imagining Stewart around trying to corral these foos and it being... pretty OK. But I dunno.

[ZariusTwo]

Why does this read a lot like Crusade?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Character breakdowns? Apparently.

http://www.darkhorizons.com/first-picard-series-character-breakdowns/

Eh... jeeze. I'm reading these and I'm just imagining the kind of series direction they'll do. And it sounds like more "Edgy Trek"... but I'm also imagining Stewart around trying to corral these foos and it being... pretty OK. But I dunno.

Yeah, the casting breakdowns are iffy.

But I'm still hopeful. Patrick Stewart wants to do it, and I trust him. Except for the whole Emoji movie, but I'm pretty sure that was just a WTF chuckle for him.

[Jester]

It's Trek set post Nemesis that has Patrick Stewart as Picard, I'll at least give it a chance.

Heck, I'm still giving Discovery "a chance" so...

[Andrew NDB]

Some names are confirmed. See if you can pick which role they're playing, based on the other thing:

http://www.darkhorizons.com/cabrera-hurd-to-co-star-in-picard-trek-series/

[Andrew NDB]

Some dude joins as a regular cast member:

http://www.darkhorizons.com/evan-evagora-joins-trek-series-picard/

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Some dude joins as a regular cast member:

http://www.darkhorizons.com/evan-evagora-joins-trek-series-picard/

"Some dude." :tlol:

[ZariusTwo]

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[Andrew NDB]

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FAKE news. It started filming today.

http://trekcore.com/blog/2019/04/picard-star-trek-series-begins-filming-in-california/?fbclid=IwAR1DrWDCLsuWREUx24pfSKkjk3OVny6g932CTzeK UHobebk0kwKo7--5afo

I'm seeing a lot of people commenting about Picard being with a group of Section 31 on the show... is there anything official about that?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

FAKE news. It started filming today.

http://trekcore.com/blog/2019/04/picard-star-trek-series-begins-filming-in-california/?fbclid=IwAR1DrWDCLsuWREUx24pfSKkjk3OVny6g932CTzeK UHobebk0kwKo7--5afo

I'm seeing a lot of people commenting about Picard being with a group of Section 31 on the show... is there anything official about that?

First I've heard THAT rumor. Where are you seeing it? Sounds faker than Data having a sex life with Tasha Yar to me...

[Andrew NDB]

First I've heard THAT rumor. Where are you seeing it? Sounds faker than Data having a sex life with Tasha Yar to me...

Largely the comments of that video. Like this one:

"I hope this show never sees the light of day. Picard would never work for Section 31. If they can't get his principles right, lord only knows what else they'll get wrong."

Like, do they know something we don't?

Could be people have been hearing "A new show with Section 31 is happening!" and "New Picard show is happening!" and they're assuming they're one and the same thing?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Largely the comments of that video. Like this one:

"I hope this show never sees the light of day. Picard would never work for Section 31. If they can't get his principles right, lord only knows what else they'll get wrong."

Like, do they know something we don't?

Could be people have been hearing "A new show with Section 31 is happening!" and "New Picard show is happening!" and they're assuming they're one and the same thing?

Ah, got it. I didn't even watch the video, 'cause you can instantly see it's nothing but speculation.

I think your theory is absolutely correct: people hear "Picard show" and "Section 31 show" and have no idea they're two different things.

[Andrew NDB]

Ah, got it. I didn't even watch the video, 'cause you can instantly see it's nothing but speculation.

Yep, I just skimmed over it as well. Speculation city.

I like this comment: "We will not sacrifice Picard, we made too many compromises, too many retreats. They made the Kelvin movies and we fell back, they made Star Trek: Discovery and we fell back... not again! This far and no further! The line must be drawn here! We, we will not pay for what they have done!"

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Yep, I just skimmed over it as well. Speculation city.

I like this comment: "We will not sacrifice Picard, we made too many compromises, too many retreats. They made the Kelvin movies and we fell back, they made Star Trek: Discovery and we fell back... not again! This far and no further! The line must be drawn here! We, we will not pay for what they have done!"

:tlol:

Damn good quote there. But are they quoting Picard or Quark? :twink:

[ZariusTwo]

Series will stream across Amazon Prime internationally

https://io9.gizmodo.com/the-star-trek-picard-show-will-air-on-amazon-prime-vide-1834716481

[Raph's Girl]

"So....why DID you leave starfleet, Admiral?" :o

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[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

"So....why DID you leave starfleet, Admiral?" :o

f3om4V_-Y0Q

Damn good teaser trailer.

MAKE IT FVCKING SO.

[Andrew NDB]

He let himself become an admiral? A shame he didn't heed Kirk's advice.

On a sidenote: when STP becomes the accepted acronym for Star Trek: Picard, can the naysayers admit that STD is the only sensible acronym for Star Trek: "Discovery"?

*edit: It's looking like STP is going to be an immigration story. After the Prime timeline events of the JJ film, Romulans are now refugees, and the Federation fails to live up to its ideals by denying them asylum. Picard (who will probably be sought out by a Romulan friend) will lead a ragtag crew of criminals and questionables to sneak Romulans across the Neutral Zone and settle them illegally in sanctuary planets that are willing to host them.

I hope not, though. If it turns out TPTB is going to be exploiting fans' love of Patrick Stewart and Picard to try and co-opt viewers into getting behind open borders... that's going to be very unfortunate.

[sdp]

There's nothing wrong with immigration, in fact it's a necessity for economies and Star Trek has always been progressive. I'm sure people will get triggered by it no matter how tastefully it's done.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

He let himself become an admiral? A shame he didn't heed Kirk's advice.

On a sidenote: when STP becomes the accepted acronym for Star Trek: Picard, can the naysayers admit that STD is the only sensible acronym for Star Trek: "Discovery"?

*edit: It's looking like STP is going to be an immigration story. After the Prime timeline events of the JJ film, Romulans are now refugees, and the Federation fails to live up to its ideals by denying them asylum. Picard (who will probably be sought out by a Romulan friend) will lead a ragtag crew of criminals and questionables to sneak Romulans across the Neutral Zone and settle them illegally in sanctuary planets that are willing to host them.

I hope not, though. If it turns out TPTB is going to be exploiting fans' love of Patrick Stewart and Picard to try and co-opt viewers into getting behind open borders... that's going to be very unfortunate.

If anyone should've been an admiral, it was Sisko. Commanding officer of a starbase, leading military officer and one of the top minds involved in the Dominion War's strategies and planning, and ranking officer and diplomat in charge of ushering Bajor into the Federation. That's all way above a captain's rank.

And while Picard is a paragon of virtue and leadership, I don't see Picard as an admiral. I think they should have gone the Ambassador route, instead. His gifts for diplomacy, problem-solving, and leadership were the best and, frankly, his desire for a Starfleet rank was always more about exploration, not the military.

Regardless of politics, I think this will be a great story. It makes sense given Picard's mindmelds with Sarek and Spock, his desire for Romulan peace and his past encounters with Shinzon... oh, and let's not forget Sela. Picard has a long history with the Romulan Star Empire and his desire to see them reconciled to a peaceful coexistence with the Federation. And if Starfleet and the Federation Council decide to take a hardliner stance with the Romulans' crisis, Picard standing up to them absolutely makes sense. Whether or not we agree with American open borders.

Also, welcome back, man! Been far too fvcking long without you around.

[ZariusTwo]

There's nothing wrong with immigration, in fact it's a necessity for economies and Star Trek has always been progressive. I'm sure people will get triggered by it no matter how tastefully it's done.

Most of Hollywood no longer goes about it tastefully or subtly, which is the main problem. It's almost always in-your-face and comes with a sense of smug superiority as well as an arrogant condemnation of people who don't agree with their world view.

[Andrew NDB]

If anyone should've been an admiral, it was Sisko. Commanding officer of a starbase, leading military officer and one of the top minds involved in the Dominion War's strategies and planning, and ranking officer and diplomat in charge of ushering Bajor into the Federation. That's all way above a captain's rank.

Agreed.

And while Picard is a paragon of virtue and leadership, I don't see Picard as an admiral. I think they should have gone the Ambassador route, instead. His gifts for diplomacy, problem-solving, and leadership were the best and, frankly, his desire for a Starfleet rank was always more about exploration, not the military.

Yeah, I always figured that when he was done being captain he would spend his twilight years doing ambassador stuff. An admiral? He'd just retire before that, I'd wager.

Regardless of politics, I think this will be a great story. It makes sense given Picard's mindmelds with Sarek and Spock, his desire for Romulan peace and his past encounters with Shinzon... oh, and let's not forget Sela. Picard has a long history with the Romulan Star Empire and his desire to see them reconciled to a peaceful coexistence with the Federation. And if Starfleet and the Federation Council decide to take a hardliner stance with the Romulans' crisis, Picard standing up to them absolutely makes sense. Whether or not we agree with American open borders.

Oh, I don't doubt it makes sense. It's just... you just know that if there wasn't this big debate going on right now and if this story wasn't being written from the left, it wouldn't be the story. I want the story to 100% serve Picard, not agenda.

Also, welcome back, man! Been far too fvcking long without you around.

Thanks, brah!

Most of Hollywood no longer goes about it tastefully or subtly, which is the main problem. It's almost always in-your-face and comes with a sense of smug superiority as well as an arrogant condemnation of people who don't agree with their world view.

Yeah, this.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Oh, I don't doubt it makes sense. It's just... you just know that if there wasn't this big debate going on right now and if this story wasn't being written from the left, it wouldn't be the story. I want the story to 100% serve Picard, not agenda.

I get that, but I don't think we would get Patrick Stewart back in the role of Picard for anything else. At this point in his career, I don't think he does anything he doesn't want to do. Which means he had to want to do this. And I don't see him going back to Star Trek just for "eh, why not? Could be fun." It has to be something he believes in.

For better or worse, given Stewart's belief in this project, I think it will turn out well.

And at the very least, it can make some sort of decent story out of the bull$hit that was JJ Abrams casually wiping out an entire government and race just for two minutes worth of backstory in a bull$hit reboot prequel.

[Andrew NDB]

I get that, but I don't think we would get Patrick Stewart back in the role of Picard for anything else. At this point in his career, I don't think he does anything he doesn't want to do. Which means he had to want to do this. And I don't see him going back to Star Trek just for "eh, why not? Could be fun." It has to be something he believes in.

For better or worse, given Stewart's belief in this project, I think it will turn out well.

I think it's more like, "Maybe Stewart can help mitigate the damage coming out of the writing room."

But he can only do so much.

And at the very least, it can make some sort of decent story out of the bull$hit that was JJ Abrams casually wiping out an entire government and race just for two minutes worth of backstory in a bull$hit reboot prequel.

Two governments and races, wasn't it? Essentially. 'Splosions!

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I think it's more like, "Maybe Stewart can help mitigate the damage coming out of the writing room."

But he can only do so much.

Yeah, but at this point, Stewart didn't have to help them. He chose. Which means there is enough there to appeal to him, which is enough for me to trust this won't be the mess that Discovery is.

And maybe, just maybe, this opens the universe for another, standalone, 25-century TV series. And more returning actors and actresses, like Robert Picardo, Jeri Ryan, Michael Dorn, Jonathan Frakes, Nana Visitor, Aron Eisenberg, and a whole host of others.

(Just not Avery Brooks or Brent Spiner. I don't see them coming back for any amount of money, sadly enough.)

Discovery doesn't give us that potential. Even the "hey, now we're in the 32nd century!" doesn't excite me as much as it does worry me. It could go well, but it could do a lot of $hitting on things that came before.

This, though. It's gonna take a LOT of wrong to crash and burn.

Two governments and races, wasn't it? Essentially. 'Splosions!

True, true. But I wasn't counting Vulcan because that's all nuTrek timeline crap.

[Andrew NDB]

Yeah, but at this point, Stewart didn't have to help them. He chose. Which means there is enough there to appeal to him, which is enough for me to trust this won't be the mess that Discovery is.

And maybe, just maybe, this opens the universe for another, standalone, 25-century TV series. And more returning actors and actresses, like Robert Picardo, Jeri Ryan, Michael Dorn, Jonathan Frakes, Nana Visitor, Aron Eisenberg, and a whole host of others.

(Just not Avery Brooks or Brent Spiner. I don't see them coming back for any amount of money, sadly enough.)

Why wouldn't Spiner come back? I've read that he doesn't think Data should age (even though episodes of TNG have told us his skin ages... and others that it doesn't) so that would make his return preposterous... but it isn't too hard to imagine ways to make it work. Same with John De Lancie!

Avery Brooks... I'm not sure we even want him to come back, unless his natural state has always been batsh** insane IRL. Though how cool would it be to have Sisko returning from the Wormhole in a new show...

Discovery doesn't give us that potential. Even the "hey, now we're in the 32nd century!" doesn't excite me as much as it does worry me. It could go well, but it could do a lot of $hitting on things that came before.

I admit, I am morbidly curious about the 32nd century stuff. They're far enough into the future that I'm not worried about canon trampling... but I also don't have any faith that they won't just do dumb stuff.

Didn't we see it as all being blasted and decimated by Control (or did that future not happen?)? If so, I could see Discovery being like this beacon of hope from a bygone era to ravaged worlds in need of help. But mostly it'll probably be Michael Burnham looking for and finding her mom, a lot of people screaming at each other, crying, explosions and the fat nerdy one cracking jokes.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Why wouldn't Spiner come back? I've read that he doesn't think Data should age (even though episodes of TNG have told us his skin ages... and others that it doesn't) so that would make his return preposterous... but it isn't too hard to imagine ways to make it work. Same with John De Lancie!

Avery Brooks... I'm not sure we even want him to come back, unless his natural state has always been batsh** insane IRL. Though how cool would it be to have Sisko returning from the Wormhole in a new show...

Sorry, you're right--Brent Spiner could totally come back. He did it for Enterprise, after all. I was thinking specifically a return as Data or B4 or another one of the android siblings.

And if we don't get John de Lancie back, Star Trek: Picard will NOT have lived up to its full potential. :tlol:

And as for Avery Brooks, crazy man that he is... you could always explain his mental state as from having been with the Prophets. But I just don't see Brooks having any interest in reprising his role.

I admit, I am morbidly curious about the 32nd century stuff. They're far enough into the future that I'm not worried about canon trampling... but I also don't have any faith that they won't just do dumb stuff.

Didn't we see it as all being blasted and decimated by Control (or did that future not happen?)? If so, I could see Discovery being like this beacon of hope from a bygone era to ravaged worlds in need of help. But mostly it'll probably be Michael Burnham looking for and finding her mom, a lot of people screaming at each other, crying, explosions and the fat nerdy one cracking jokes.

So far, Star Trek Discovery has been 2 for 2 on doing, and I quote, "dumb stuff." :trazz: It's not that the core ideas are bad, but their execution has been terrible. Klingon War, poorly done. And the Red Angel vs Control stuff, poorly done.

Hey man, I LIKE Sylvia Tilly! :tlol: C'mon, she dropped the fvck bomb in Star Trek. I'll remain deathly loyal to her for that. :trazz:

[Andrew NDB]

Sorry, you're right--Brent Spiner could totally come back. He did it for Enterprise, after all. I was thinking specifically a return as Data or B4 or another one of the android siblings.

No, I totally meant as Data/B4. What, would Spiner be too busy filming Independence Day 3? Even if his skin isn't supposed to age (except when they say it does), think, Data in "All Good Things." It's a FAKE future but Data still dyes his hair white to look older... perhaps he would want to similarly "look his age" in STP and make custom skin.

Or they could do something weird. Some throwaway lines about, "B4 didn't last but we were able to recover Data's memories." And then have Data be a CGI EMH that looks like Data did on TNG, but intentionally less realistic looking. Voiced by Spiner. Or have it be that Picard's personal ship (or whatever it ends up being) gets Data's memories uploaded into them and becomes the Computer, basically. Voiced by Spiner.

And if we don't get John de Lancie back, Star Trek: Picard will NOT have lived up to its full potential. :tlol:

Man, I hope so.

And as for Avery Brooks, crazy man that he is... you could always explain his mental state as from having been with the Prophets. But I just don't see Brooks having any interest in reprising his role.

True. His wackiness could be an asset!

Hey man, I LIKE Sylvia Tilly! :tlol: C'mon, she dropped the fvck bomb in Star Trek.

Just to prove how edgy STD is. Meh! Wasn't nearly as funny as when Data said "Oh sh**!" 20 years ago.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

No, I totally meant as Data/B4. What, would Spiner be too busy filming Independence Day 3? Even if his skin isn't supposed to age (except when they say it does), think, Data in "All Good Things." It's a FAKE future but Data still dyes his hair white to look older... perhaps he would want to similarly "look his age" in STP and make custom skin.

Or they could do something weird. Some throwaway lines about, "B4 didn't last but we were able to recover Data's memories." And then have Data be a CGI EMH that looks like Data did on TNG, but intentionally less realistic looking. Voiced by Spiner. Or have it be that Picard's personal ship (or whatever it ends up being) gets Data's memories uploaded into them and becomes the Computer, basically. Voiced by Spiner.

I just don't see Spiner being as enthusiastic to reprise his role. But maybe he's grown out of that? I just get a "I do more than Star Trek" vibe from him, like Nimoy was for awhile.

But yeah, I'd love to see Spiner. Almost as much as Q.

Just to prove how edgy STD is. Meh! Wasn't nearly as funny as when Data said "Oh sh**!" 20 years ago.

Eh, personal taste. I personally use the F word a whole lot more than I probably should, so that moment really rang true for me, "edgy" or not. (Which is also certainly was. Just like L'Rell's Klingon nipples.)

[Andrew NDB]

I just don't see Spiner being as enthusiastic to reprise his role. But maybe he's grown out of that? I just get a "I do more than Star Trek" vibe from him, like Nimoy was for awhile.

But yeah, I'd love to see Spiner. Almost as much as Q.

Gun to the head, yeah, Q for sure. That needs to happen.

I wonder what that "25% different" thing will mean for STP. If Worf shows up, do they have to make his Klingon head bumps 25% different? If they do a flashback to TNG, do they have to Abrams-ize the Enterprise D?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Gun to the head, yeah, Q for sure. That needs to happen.

I wonder what that "25% different" thing will mean for STP. If Worf shows up, do they have to make his Klingon head bumps 25% different? If they do a flashback to TNG, do they have to Abrams-ize the Enterprise D?

It might not even apply. And I feel like they probably won't take the risk of changing the visual appearance of a fan favorite character like Worf.

Hell, when you count it all up, Worf has had the most appearances of ANY Star Trek Character. 7 seasons of TNG, 4 seasons of DS9, 4 movies.

I know some Trekkies are sick of him, but I, for one, welcome our potential Star Trek: Worf series that Michael Dorn has always wanted to make. :tgrin:

[Andrew NDB]

I know some Trekkies are sick of him, but I, for one, welcome our potential Star Trek: Worf series that Michael Dorn has always wanted to make. :tgrin:

Hell, I'd take it. Better something like that than, say, "Section 31: Edgy People in the 23rd Century" or whatever is coming.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Hell, I'd take it. Better something like that than, say, "Section 31: Edgy People in the 23rd Century" or whatever is coming.

You know what would make a WAY better Section 31 show?

Set it in the 25th century. Bring back Julian Bashir and Luther Sloan. Maybe Ezri Dax, too.

BOOM, baby. Hell of a lot more interesting.

[Andrew NDB]

Brent Spiner returning to guest appear in Star Trek: Picard:

https://wegotthiscovered.com/tv/brent-spiner-guest-appearance-star-trek-picard/

You know what would make a WAY better Section 31 show?

Set it in the 25th century. Bring back Julian Bashir and Luther Sloan. Maybe Ezri Dax, too.

BOOM, baby. Hell of a lot more interesting.

Hell yeah. They may consider something like that if STP really finds an audience (i.e., learn that people want to see Star Trek stuff that isn't attached at the hip to original Enterprise, Kirk and/or Spock).

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Brent Spiner returning to guest appear in Star Trek: Picard:

https://wegotthiscovered.com/tv/brent-spiner-guest-appearance-star-trek-picard/

Holy crap. :teek: I'd love for this to be true!

[ZariusTwo]

Brent Spiner returning to guest appear in Star Trek: Picard:

https://wegotthiscovered.com/tv/brent-spiner-guest-appearance-star-trek-picard/

Original source of this pulled their report...interesting. Last time this happened was when the Picard trailer leaked hours early.

[Andrew NDB]

Original source of this pulled their report...interesting. Last time this happened was when the Picard trailer leaked hours early.

Yeah, it's very interesting. Ordinarily if an article is put out there with what turns out to be FAKE movie news they will go back and edit it with some kind of "UPDATE: Turns out to be fake. Sorry, folks!"

Not just pull it. That speaks to something else.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Yeah, it's very interesting. Ordinarily if an article is put out there with what turns out to be FAKE movie news they will go back and edit it with some kind of "UPDATE: Turns out to be fake. Sorry, folks!"

Not just pull it. That speaks to something else.

Well, if we're following up on the Romulan stuff, both Nemesis and 2009 had a lot left hanging.

Assassination of the entire Romulan Senate, Shinzon's coup, Reman destabilization, and then, of course, the whole planet getting shattered.

Might as well follow up on Data/B4 while we're at it, eh? Maybe? Hopefully?

[Andrew NDB]

Might as well follow up on Data/B4 while we're at it, eh? Maybe? Hopefully?

Of course. And arguably the friendship between Picard and Data is roughly akin to Kirk's with Spock. If this is to be some kind of exploration of "hope"/humanity in our older years, of course Data should be there.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Of course. And arguably the friendship between Picard and Data is roughly akin to Kirk's with Spock. If this is to be some kind of exploration of "hope"/humanity in our older years, of course Data should be there.

Exactly. It'd be awesome to have characters like Riker, Beverly, or Worf.

But the two most defining relationships in TNG were Picard and Data, and Picard and Q. (I'd argue Picard and Worf for a third.)

[Andrew NDB]

But the two most defining relationships in TNG were Picard and Data, and Picard and Q. (I'd argue Picard and Worf for a third.)

Could be a case for Geordi and Data for the third, too.

It'd be neat to see Picard preside over the commissioning of the Enterprise-G in this show... and then THAT show being a spin-off, with a new crew and all. Picard could even appear on it, at times, or vice versa. With 200% less Kurtzman, please.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Could be a case for Geordi and Data for the third, too.

It'd be neat to see Picard preside over the commissioning of the Enterprise-G in this show... and then THAT show being a spin-off, with a new crew and all. Picard could even appear on it, at times, or vice versa. With 200% less Kurtzman, please.

Yeah, but the difference there is... was Geordi ever the focus (in a good relationship) other than with Data?

Geordi got paired with Data, or the Romulans did some mean $hit to him, or he creeped on Leah Brahms. That was about it.

Yes please. Enterprise-F, Enterprise-G, SOMETHING.

And make that 400% less Kurtzman. :tlol:

[Andrew NDB]

Riker.

https://twitter.com/jonathansfrakes/status/1135267513518837760?s=19

[Jester]

Frakes has already confirmed he's directing 2 episodes.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Riker.

https://twitter.com/jonathansfrakes/status/1135267513518837760?s=19

Frakes has already confirmed he's directing 2 episodes.

While Frakes has already said he's directing... ya don't need a trombone for that end of the camera! :teek:

Dammit, this needs to come out already. :tgrin:

[Andrew NDB]

Frakes has already confirmed he's directing 2 episodes.

Yeah, the fact that we knew that weeks ago makes me think this has to be referring to him in an acting capacity. He's not playing the trombone as a director.

[Jester]

True...but this is CBS we're talking about. I don't wanna get my hopes up.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

True...but this is CBS we're talking about. I don't wanna get my hopes up.

Also it seemed pretty adamant from the beginning that they weren't going to bring back many... or ANY... other TNG crew. I can buy a cameo from Data/B4, but Riker, too?

It's fan service. Glorious, desired fan service. I hope they do it.

Fvck it, give me Chancellor Worf, too.

[Andrew NDB]

Also it seemed pretty adamant from the beginning that they weren't going to bring back many... or ANY... other TNG crew. I can buy a cameo from Data/B4, but Riker, too?

It's fan service. Glorious, desired fan service. I hope they do it.

Fvck it, give me Chancellor Worf, too.

A critical moment, Picard's ship getting pelted by enemy fire...

"Shields down to 20%!"

*SH-BOOSH!!!*

"Shields at 5%! We can't take another hit!!!"

"Sir! Another ship is dropping out of Warp!"

"What is it?"

*a ship gets in between Picard's ship and the enemy*

"It's the USS Titan!"



It would be awesome.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

A critical moment, Picard's ship getting pelted by enemy fire...

"Shields down to 20%!"

*SH-BOOSH!!!*

"Shields at 5%! We can't take another hit!!!"

"Sir! Another ship is dropping out of Warp!"

"What is it?"

*a ship gets in between Picard's ship and the enemy*

"It's the USS Titan!"



It would be awesome.

I am in full support of jamming as many 24th century characters into this thing as possible. Or spinning them off. SOMETHING.

Gimme 25th century Star Trek already. More, more, more! :trazz:

EDITED TO ADD: Except Harry Kim. Screw that eternal ensign. Keep him off the bridge. :trazz:

[MsMarvelDuckie]

You DO know he eventually ended up with his own ship, right...? Just saying. I like Harry.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

You DO know he eventually ended up with his own ship, right...? Just saying. I like Harry.

Sorry to insult your husb, but you got some terrible taste in men. :trazz:

Admiral Janeway wiped out that future. Poor Harry. Ensign for 7 years. Not one damn promotion. :tsad:

[Andrew NDB]

The rumors are true... Kurtzman is OUT as showrunner of STP and Michael Chabon is IN.

https://deadline.com/2019/06/michael-chabon-showrunner-star-trek-picard-cbs-all-access-series-1202638580/

Interesting that the official announcement seems to rub things as to suggest the show is just now getting a showrunner (yeah, after they've already shot 4 episodes) and it's Michael Chabon and not the reality, which is Kurtzman has been ousted and replaced.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Sorry to insult your husb, but you got some terrible taste in men. :trazz:

Admiral Janeway wiped out that future. Poor Harry. Ensign for 7 years. Not one damn promotion. :tsad:


Not true! Janeway gave him a field promotion to Lt., about halfway through the series, iirc. Why do you not like him? He was a good foil to Tom's "black sheep" persona early on, especially in keeping him from getting into TOO much trouble, and he proved himself a valusble asset many times over. His only major "flaw" was going after women who were "unattainable/wrong". He was a bit introverted and shy, but had a lot of heart. Mind, he always struck me as more "guy-friend" rather than "boyfriend" material, but any of the Voyager ladies would have been lucky to get him.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Not true! Janeway gave him a field promotion to Lt., about halfway through the series, iirc. Why do you not like him? He was a good foil to Tom's "black sheep" persona early on, especially in keeping him from getting into TOO much trouble, and he proved himself a valusble asset many times over. His only major "flaw" was going after women who were "unattainable/wrong". He was a bit introverted and shy, but had a lot of heart. Mind, he always struck me as more "guy-friend" rather than "boyfriend" material, but any of the Voyager ladies would have been lucky to get him.

I'm sorry, but you're completely wrong.

Kim does not make lieutenant in the 7 years on screen. He's an ensign in "Caretaker" and he's an ensign in "Endgame." He never gets a second pip on his collar.

I don't HATE him per se, but I find him boring. Dude plays the clarinet for fcvk's sake. He's in some good episodes, but overall, he registers at about a Geordi LaForge level for me. Except Geordi was at least played by LeVar Burton.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Are you sure? I've been watching the series in order almost every night for about two years now. They have aired every episode like four or five times now. I could swear he got promoted- even if it wasn't "official. Tom did too.

And what's wrong with the clarinet? Heck, Picard played flute, and iirc, Riker played trombone on occasion. Even Tuvok played that Vulcan harp.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Are you sure? I've been watching the series in order almost every night for about two years now. They have aired every episode like four or five times now. I could swear he got promoted- even if it wasn't "official. Tom did too.

And what's wrong with the clarinet? Heck, Picard played flute, and iirc, Riker played trombone on occasion. Even Tuvok played that Vulcan harp.

Tom got DEMOTED first, though. For that episode with the underwater civilization; he broke the Prime Directive, got some people killed even though he was trying to do the right thing, and Janeway busted his ass. And later she promoted him back to lieutenant j.g.

Harry, alas, NEVER got promoted. Which is bull$hit.

Nothing's wrong with the clarinet; I just needed something to make fun of. I don't remember much else about him, except for his girlfriend Libby in that one episode where a timewarp kept him off Voyager and he was never lost in the Delta Quadrant, and got in trouble for associating with Tom Paris. Or something like that.

And he captained the Nightingale one time, in Season 7. Now THAT was a good Harry episode.

[ZariusTwo]

https://i.imgur.com/LYVAAug.jpg

[Andrew NDB]

I literally see bunches of angry people online right now arguing that the poster is bullsh** because the dog's ears are bent, and that in the 24th century no one would be doing barbaric things like that to animals.

What a world we're in now.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I literally see bunches of angry people online right now arguing that the poster is bullsh** because the dog's ears are bent, and that in the 24th century no one would be doing barbaric things like that to animals.

What a world we're in now.

Who even gives a crap? Awesome poster! :tcool:

[ZariusTwo]

YhBBXHwEsIo

[Andrew NDB]

KbXy0f0aCN0

Holy f***... that gave me goosebumps. They better not f*** this up!!!

Looks like I was right about a certain actor, too. The other one that appears... wtf!! Not expected at all.

[CyberCubed]

LOL, not expecting to see 7 of 9.

Also looks like the movies but not the books/comics are still canon.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

As a Picard fan, I approve. Fun fact- I actually always found Picard sexier than Kirk. There's just something about a handsome bald Brit....

[Vegita-San]

KbXy0f0aCN0

Holy f***... that gave me goosebumps. They better not f*** this up!!!

Looks like I was right about a certain actor, too. The other one that appears... wtf!! Not expected at all.

PLEASE be good. PLEASE be good.

I want to like star trek again. I really, REALLY do. I can't get my hopes up until it comes out though.

[neatoman]

YhBBXHwEsIo

So basically, this is "The Adventures of Captain Picard and 7-of-9"?

[Andrew NDB]

So basically, this is "The Adventures of Captain Picard and 7-of-9"?

There's nothing to suggest she'll be a regular. Though there does seem to be a big Borg thing going on... maybe recurring guest?

[Autbot_Benz]

Love that Data is back I always loved him

[Andrew NDB]

How much you guys want to bet that girl is Spock's daughter? This is Kurtzman we're talking about... Spock S0ock Spock, etc..

[Vegita-San]

How much you guys want to bet that girl is Spock's daughter? This is Kurtzman we're talking about... Spock S0ock Spock, etc..

I was thinking future borg queen.

The result of the queen 'merging' with data during FC.

[CyberCubed]

Hard to believe Patrick Stewart is 79 years old, good god, he's nearly 80. And he looks so healthy and can act and everything. If the first season is successful I hope he remains healthy enough to do it for 2-3 years or whatever.

[Galactus]

I was thinking future borg queen.

The result of the queen 'merging' with data during FC.

Or they're finally going to make it canon that the V'ger machine race was the Borg and this is a Borg queen as a result of merging with Spock.

Also we've got guest stars from Next Gen and Voyager how about putting a DS9er in the mix too and representing all the Trek series from that era.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

HOLY $HIT.

Seven of Nine, a Borg cube, and B4 and Data!? Sign me the fvck up. I mean, I was already signed the fvck up.

But sign me the fvck up even more!!!!

[Jester]

This might actually be a return to REAL Trek.

[CyberCubed]

The trailer looks very action oriented, granted they may just be including select shots for that. I don't think it'll be "slow paced" like old Trek, but I guess we'll see.

Jeri Ryan is 52 years old. Good god, she barely looks aged from like 1997. WTF.

[Jester]

Question: Do any of you think they'll go a whole Picard series without...https://cdn-static.denofgeek.com/sites/denofgeek/files/styles/main_wide/public/2016/02/john_de_lancie_q_1.jpg?itok=DwxLLBrp

[Vegita-San]

depends..whose been usually quiet on twitter?

have not seen much from frakes or dorn lately.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

If they can all still do this, why tf can't we get them all on board for a LA Gargoyles??!! Just my own personal gripe. I mean, I love me some "real" Trek, and am totally up for this, but (*le sigh*) I REALLY want to see Zanatos, Demona, and maybe even Taurus get a movie. And Titania, Puck, etc....

[CyberCubed]

It's pretty obvious eventually one by one all the TNG main characters will get a cameo in this series if it lasts long enough, unless one of them specifically doesn't want to come back for whatever reason. Riker and Worf are no-brainers to appear as well as Troi at the least.

[Galactus]

I don't know if this feels like "real" Trek to me. I saw a comment on another site that this looks more like Logan in space which I'd agree with, heck even the plot seems logan-esque. Not that that's a bad thing, I tend not to get hung up on what "real" Trek is supposed to be.

None of the movies felt that much like the TV shows they were based on and the ones that attempted that are seen to be "bad" ones. I remember how people refused to accept TNG as real Star Trek and similar comments about how DS9 differed from TNG. Then Enterprise was the worst thing to ever happen to Trek until JJ Abrams reboot which I personally thought had a decent start but imploded badly. So I can't really get all bent out of shape about new Star Trek series like Discovery and now Picard changing the formula when that is what Star Trek has long done.

I think the differences in tone will be mitigated with fan favourite guest spots and cameos and frankly every one TNG cast would be up for it apart from Diana Muldaur who I doubt anyone is desperate to see anyway. One recurring I'd like to see is Michelle Forbes as Ro Laren.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I don't know if this feels like "real" Trek to me. I saw a comment on another site that this looks more like Logan in space which I'd agree with, heck even the plot seems logan-esque. Not that that's a bad thing, I tend not to get hung up on what "real" Trek is supposed to be.

None of the movies felt that much like the TV shows they were based on and the ones that attempted that are seen to be "bad" ones. I remember how people refused to accept TNG as real Star Trek and similar comments about how DS9 differed from TNG. Then Enterprise was the worst thing to ever happen to Trek until JJ Abrams reboot which I personally thought had a decent start but imploded badly. So I can't really get all bent out of shape about new Star Trek series like Discovery and now Picard changing the formula when that is what Star Trek has long done.

I think the differences in tone will be mitigated with fan favourite guest spots and cameos and frankly every one TNG cast would be up for it apart from Diana Muldaur who I doubt anyone is desperate to see anyway. One recurring I'd like to see is Michelle Forbes as Ro Laren.

You have very good points. Especially about Doctor Pulaski, nobody cares about her. :tlol:

I think the pros will outweigh the cons with ST: Picard. Discovery has a lot of pros, but a lot of cons as well. Give a Star Trek show long enough (like with Enterprise or TNG), and it will prove itself; the good will rise to match the bad.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

All I want to know is, when do we get to see Q again? (And will "Jr" show up?)

[CyberCubed]

I wish this series came out 10 years ago like back around 2010-2011 when the actors were...well...10 years younger than they are now. I have no idea why they waited so long to do something like this, there was certainly TNG "nostalgia" over two decades after it ended. Plus the TNG films already ended in the early 2000's.

[Andrew NDB]

So we know more now. Both Sirtis AND Frakes (no surprise on him anyway... he tweeted weeks ago a picture of a trombone and "my next role") are confirmed for it (they've tweeted such officially now)... as well as the actor that played Hugh. Hugh coupled with Seven of Nine coupled with giant Borg ships being occupied by Romulans, coupled by Borg bodies being messed with really points to this being a big Borg affair, alright.

Kinda disappointing, in a way. While I miss The Borg stories I was really looking forward to something more... quiet, retrospective. At least for this season. No, not just Picard milling around his vineyard... but more lowkey than Wolf 359 Part 2, which is what this smells like it will be.

[CyberCubed]

The whole show will likely be based on nostalgia and fanservice with old characters and plots touched on to make up for people disappointed with the new reboot movies or Discovery. Basically this show will be catered to the fans complaining over the last decade...for better or worse.

Although we know with other franchises that are rebooted or continued for nostalgia or fanservice, it's not always a good thing. I guess we'll see. I fully expect stuff to be like, "Hey remember this episode?" or "Look we brought up this random character!" or "*wink wink* remember this?" type of stuff, or "here are the old lines and catch phrases you remember like, "Engage."

[Andrew NDB]

The whole show will likely be based on nostalgia and fanservice with old characters and plots touched on to make up for people disappointed with the new reboot movies or Discovery. Basically this show will be catered to the fans complaining over the last decade...for better or worse.

Although we know with other franchises that are rebooted or continued for nostalgia or fanservice, it's not always a good thing. I guess we'll see. I fully expect stuff to be like, "Hey remember this episode?" or "Look we brought up this random character!" or "*wink wink* remember this?" type of stuff, or "here are the old lines and catch phrases you remember like, "Engage."

I think 25% fanservice (actual fan service, as in adherence to actual canon and not STD's FAKE canon, or stuff flying in the face of it, and actual characters from TNG sprinkled throughout) and 75% STD stuff. Like, the mandatory # of explosions per episode, people screaming at each other, probably a few forced scenes every episode or so to fulfill the Bechdel Test, at least 2 or 3 LGBTQ characters that interact with one another every episode even if it doesn't really serve the plot, and big action/battle stuff.

[Andrew NDB]

Robert Picardo coming back... but next season.

https://trekmovie.com/2019/07/29/robert-picardo-in-early-discussions-to-appear-in-star-trek-picard-season-two/

[CyberCubed]

I don't know how they can handle a literal hologram aging to what the actor looks like now, unless they put some reasoning in that the Doctor, "wants to age like humans" and altered his program to look as he aged each year. Which I guess they can do.

Is Worf confirmed to return? I imagine he would be the first to jump at a chance to come back. Also interesting they're avoiding DS9 characters...at least for now.

[Andrew NDB]

I don't know how they can handle a literal hologram aging to what the actor looks like now, unless they put some reasoning in that the Doctor, "wants to age like humans" and altered his program to look as he aged each year. Which I guess they can do.

Actually Picardo looks pretty much the same. He's like Christopher Lloyd in that way.

There is an alternative, though... maybe he's not playing the EMH, but maybe Zimmerman?

Is Worf confirmed to return?

No. Might not have been any logical way to shove him into this season. He'll be coming along eventually, for sure, though.

It's funny to think the way they must be plotting these seasons. Like in advance, it must be like, "OK, by this episode we need to run into Dr. Crusher, and that episode we need to reconnect with Geordi," etc..

Also interesting they're avoiding DS9 characters...at least for now.

Right now it seems the people in it are people connected to the Borg or Hugh's rogue Borg. We have Hugh, we have Seven of Nine... and the more I think about it the more I'm betting that the Data parts we see in that drawer are, in fact, Lore's (last we saw him, he was scheduled to be dismantled, remember?). i.e., we'll get "Data" on the holodeck a little bit and Lore in live action. I bet! Lore had a huge connection to Hugh and his rogue Borg, he was their leader. Something's going on there for sure.

It does beg the question of what happened to B4, though.

[Vegita-San]

My guess is B4 deteriorated and didn't work out.

but, how badly must discovery have flopped for them to be even giving us this much?

[Andrew NDB]

My guess is B4 deteriorated and didn't work out.

Yeah, something like that. Or lost in a battle, or something. B4 was a physically more primitive body than Data's, anyway.

My guess: Lore will do bad things, but ultimately get "zapped out" of his mind at the end... leaving Picard to be able to restore Data inside Lore's body.

but, how badly must discovery have flopped for them to be even giving us this much?

Right?

[CyberCubed]

I dunno he looks visibly older now, this is not what he looked like on Voyager, lol:

https://www.startrek.com/sites/default/files/styles/double_width_2_1/public/images/2019-01/773fc3013fec43c958724a25b7dcb360.jpeg?itok=cQTj37M r

I mean I guess they can give him make-up or use some digital de-aging to take away his wrinkles, but this show doesn't have the budget of Marvel movies so it's not like Kurt Russel in Guardians 2 who was de-aged from a near 70 year old man back to what he looked like in his 20's.

[newfan]

If they address the aging they can just write in that the programme design allows him age in apperance? He can just reset when again at whatever point. I don't have an issue with it either way.

Looking forward to this, even if it only lasts a short time it will be good to see Picard again, very much like Stewart as an actor.

[Andrew NDB]

If they address the aging they can just write in that the programme design allows him age in apperance? He can just reset when again at whatever point. I don't have an issue with it either way.

For the Doctor I'd really prefer they just do the best they can with him and never address it at all. Unless it's not the Doctor and it's Zimmerman... in which case they don't need to explain anything.

Looking forward to this, even if it only lasts a short time it will be good to see Picard again, very much like Stewart as an actor.

They said the plan is for 3 seasons, so we've got 3 years at least.

Also, it may be coincidence but I notice that the show is set 3 years before the 25th century. 3 years before that, and 3 seasons. Hm. Could "Star Trek: Picard" be a kind of 24th century refresher before they go balls deep in 3 years with a 25th century Enterprise-F or Enterprise-G show for a new generation? It'd be the smart move for sure.

[CyberCubed]

As long as Sir Patrick Stewart doesn’t die in the next few years they will probably want it to have a 5-7 year run. Thankfully he strikes me as someone who is going to live well into his 90’s so i don’t think we have to worry there.

William Shatner still being alive is an example of that.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Robert Picardo coming back... but next season.

https://trekmovie.com/2019/07/29/robert-picardo-in-early-discussions-to-appear-in-star-trek-picard-season-two/

Hell yeah. That's everybody I wanted to see again from Voyager. Now gimme some DS9 crew!

I don't know how they can handle a literal hologram aging to what the actor looks like now, unless they put some reasoning in that the Doctor, "wants to age like humans" and altered his program to look as he aged each year. Which I guess they can do.

Is Worf confirmed to return? I imagine he would be the first to jump at a chance to come back. Also interesting they're avoiding DS9 characters...at least for now.

Worf absolutely needs to come back.

Right now it seems the people in it are people connected to the Borg or Hugh's rogue Borg. We have Hugh, we have Seven of Nine... and the more I think about it the more I'm betting that the Data parts we see in that drawer are, in fact, Lore's (last we saw him, he was scheduled to be dismantled, remember?). i.e., we'll get "Data" on the holodeck a little bit and Lore in live action. I bet! Lore had a huge connection to Hugh and his rogue Borg, he was their leader. Something's going on there for sure.

It does beg the question of what happened to B4, though.

Yeah, something like that. Or lost in a battle, or something. B4 was a physically more primitive body than Data's, anyway.

My guess: Lore will do bad things, but ultimately get "zapped out" of his mind at the end... leaving Picard to be able to restore Data inside Lore's body.

Your Lore theory makes sense. Good call!

[Vegita-San]

For the Doctor I'd really prefer they just do the best they can with him and never address it at all. Unless it's not the Doctor and it's Zimmerman... in which case they don't need to explain anything.



They said the plan is for 3 seasons, so we've got 3 years at least.

Also, it may be coincidence but I notice that the show is set 3 years before the 25th century. 3 years before that, and 3 seasons. Hm. Could "Star Trek: Picard" be a kind of 24th century refresher before they go balls deep in 3 years with a 25th century Enterprise-F or Enterprise-G show for a new generation? It'd be the smart move for sure.


They seem to replace an enterprise every 20 years. either because it's 'old' by 24thcentury tech standards, or it's lost in battle. they are probably ON the F by now......although it might be at the end of it's life cycle so they can introduce the G.

Since Lore was oddly ignored in Nemesis, I think it'd be a safe bet they data might be in him now.

[Andrew NDB]

Hell yeah. That's everybody I wanted to see again from Voyager. Now gimme some DS9 crew!

I'd love if season 2 somehow involved the Prophets and a Sisko return. Man, I can't imagine anyone is crazy about rebuilding those giant DS9 sets, though.

Your Lore theory makes sense. Good call!

Seems like I'm off... Spiner has said in an interview that it is, in fact, B4 in that drawer:

https://trekmovie.com/2019/07/23/star-trek-picard-cast-reveal-more-show-and-character-details/

That doesn't mean Lore isn't involved somehow, though.

Also, a kind of concerning quote from the same article, from Stewart:

"And you know what? The world has changed and is changing in terrifying ways right now. And that is one of the things that this new series touches on. I don’t want to make out that it is a political show now, but it always had that element of contemporary society being commented on and that’s what we are doing in this new show."

Yeah, definitely get ready for "Romulan Refugees: The Angry Commentary on Trump's Wall" in the mix of all the Borg business.

They seem to replace an enterprise every 20 years. either because it's 'old' by 24thcentury tech standards, or it's lost in battle.

Yeah, they've got a pretty bad track record.

1701? Destroyed.
1701-B? Almost destroyed in its maiden voyage.
1701-C? Destroyed.
1701-D? Destroyed.

Not good!

they are probably ON the F by now......although it might be at the end of it's life cycle so they can introduce the G.

Not that it's canon, but the Enterprise-F already is in service in Star Trek Online:

https://giantbomb1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/scale_small/0/1366/1856911-enterprisef.png

Er, well... is in the year 2409, anyway. STP isn't even set that far.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I'd love if season 2 somehow involved the Prophets and a Sisko return. Man, I can't imagine anyone is crazy about rebuilding those giant DS9 sets, though.

That would be bitching. :tcool: But I just don't see Brooks wanting to be Sisko ever again. But then again, I didn't see Stewart coming back ever, either... fingers crossed!

Seems like I'm off... Spiner has said in an interview that it is, in fact, B4 in that drawer:

https://trekmovie.com/2019/07/23/star-trek-picard-cast-reveal-more-show-and-character-details/

That doesn't mean Lore isn't involved somehow, though.

THREE Soong-type androids in one season might be too much. Not that I'd complain.

Also, a kind of concerning quote from the same article, from Stewart:

"And you know what? The world has changed and is changing in terrifying ways right now. And that is one of the things that this new series touches on. I don’t want to make out that it is a political show now, but it always had that element of contemporary society being commented on and that’s what we are doing in this new show."

Yeah, definitely get ready for "Romulan Refugees: The Angry Commentary on Trump's Wall" in the mix of all the Borg business.

I'm fine with it. It makes sense for the story, given that JJ Abrams had to go and blow up Romulus. A damn stupid idea that screwed over the Prime universe just to launch his crappy reboot, but the ship sailed and there's nowhere to go but forward.

Yeah, they've got a pretty bad track record.

1701? Destroyed.
1701-B? Almost destroyed in its maiden voyage.
1701-C? Destroyed.
1701-D? Destroyed.

Not good!

Yeah, but they were always destroyed in the line of duty doing grand and glorious things. Defending a helpless Klingon colony from a Romulan attack; rescuing El-Aurian refugees from the Nexus; defending Veridian III from Soran. And, of course, screwing over Klingons while searching for Spock. :trazz:

I'd love to see Captain Worf, of the USS Enterprise NCC-1701-F. :tcool: (Or the USS Defiant-A. I'm not picky.)

[Andrew NDB]

That would be bitching. :tcool: But I just don't see Brooks wanting to be Sisko ever again.

No? As we've talked about, I've watched "The Captains" stuff... and while he seems pretty out there and maybe even unable to reprise Sisko again, nothing there made me think he would ever be unwilling to.

Unless he was trolling Shatner the whole time and hates being remembered as Sisko.

THREE Soong-type androids in one season might be too much. Not that I'd complain.

Well, if one is just a lost cause in a drawer all season and one is a hologram... it'd be nice to have at least one of them up and walking around.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

No? As we've talked about, I've watched "The Captains" stuff... and while he seems pretty out there and maybe even unable to reprise Sisko again, nothing there made me think he would ever be unwilling to.

Unless he was trolling Shatner the whole time and hates being remembered as Sisko.

Well, if one is just a lost cause in a drawer all season and one is a hologram... it'd be nice to have at least one of them up and walking around.

I feel like of all the captains, Brooks is the one who has the least interest in being defined by his time on Star Trek. That's why I've always assumed he'd never want to return. But I dearly hope to one day be proven completely wrong!

I doubt Soong would come all the way up on stage and on screen JUST to film one holodeck cameo and one "assembly costs extra" B4 in a drawer.

[Andrew NDB]

I doubt Soong would come all the way up on stage and on screen JUST to film one holodeck cameo and one "assembly costs extra" B4 in a drawer.

"Data makes appearances in the show, I can say that. And Data is a story point in this season as well. But I’m not in every episode. I’m not a major character on the show."

Which taken in full context... eh, probably means a visit to B4's dissassembly early on, maybe 2 or 3 visits with holodeck Data, and maybe they fix B4/restore Data in him at the end to tease "Full-on Data stuff in season 2!"

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

"Data makes appearances in the show, I can say that. And Data is a story point in this season as well. But I’m not in every episode. I’m not a major character on the show."

Which taken in full context... eh, probably means a visit to B4's dissassembly early on, maybe 2 or 3 visits with holodeck Data, and maybe they fix B4/restore Data in him at the end to tease "Full-on Data stuff in season 2!"

I'd totally be down for that. Yes please.

[Andrew NDB]

Eh, for anyone (like me) hoping to see the USS Titan coming onto the scene with guns blazing and Captain Riker at the helm with Troi at his side... well, it looks like that won't be happening.

https://trekmovie.com/2019/07/26/jonathan-frakes-discusses-riker-and-trois-return-in-star-trek-picard/

They are "very non-military" now. He had his whole captain's career entirely off-screen.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Eh, for anyone (like me) hoping to see the USS Titan coming onto the scene with guns blazing and Captain Riker at the helm with Troi at his side... well, it looks like that won't be happening.

https://trekmovie.com/2019/07/26/jonathan-frakes-discusses-riker-and-trois-return-in-star-trek-picard/

They are "very non-military" now. He had his whole captain's career entirely off-screen.

Well that's disappointing.

[CyberCubed]

30 years of books and novels are now fanficiton

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

30 years of books and novels are now fanficiton

So what? It's not the first time a new Star Trek TV series has blown some literature out of the water.

Enterprise changed things up a LOT.

[CyberCubed]

I don't know what happens in books or novels since I do not read, "literature," but I am sure they made tons of stories with TNG and Voyager crew after their series ended that has things that cannot be reconciled.

Much like Star Wars purging the EU, I fully expect all Star Trek series going forward to ignore everything from books or comic books. Most TV series usually do this, where stuff isn't, "real" unless it happens in a show or movie. Probably because they know most people will never pick up a book and they don't want to continue from something most people don't know exists.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I don't know what happens in books or novels since I do not read, "literature," but I am sure they made tons of stories with TNG and Voyager crew after their series ended that has things that cannot be reconciled.

Much like Star Wars purging the EU, I fully expect all Star Trek series going forward to ignore everything from books or comic books. Most TV series usually do this, where stuff isn't, "real" unless it happens in a show or movie. Probably because they know most people will never pick up a book and they don't want to continue from something most people don't know exists.

I'd recommend you check the TrekLit out, but you're also the guy who doesn't read comics other than TMNT and Usagi, so would you even? :twink:

But yeah; the stories I've been reading are NOT compatible with what's shaping up to happen in Star Trek: Picard. Which is bittersweet... there have been some damn good stories continuing after the 24th century television shows. The Enterprise sequel novels will be fine though.

[Andrew NDB]

There's even stuff like the IDW "Countdown" and such. Deep down we all knew it would all get thrown out the window if a new TNG series or movie came around... we just didn't think a new TNG series or movie would actually come around.

[Vegita-San]

So, I posted something about Discovery being a failure.

the usual trash talking fans came in to insult, rather than post proof that it was doing good.

-saying it got renewed, on a paid streaming service that is trying to get the most out of it's money, is not a shot of success.


-saying it's the most veiwed on netflix, outside the us, is not the best judgment for success. supposedly traditional star trek hasn't done too well outside the us either...and this show is nothing like traditional star trek.

- Netflix has to get it's money back somehow, so why not renew it for a third season?

is there any data that proves STD is really doing as well as it's fans claim?

[Andrew NDB]

is there any data that proves STD is really doing as well as it's fans claim?

No. Its "ratings" are hidden and proprietary, like Netflix's.

[CyberCubed]

There's even stuff like the IDW "Countdown" and such. Deep down we all knew it would all get thrown out the window if a new TNG series or movie came around... we just didn't think a new TNG series or movie would actually come around.

But that always happens with any property. Books/novels or comic books that continue a TV series or movie series are always considered "soft-canon" and then flat out retconned or ignored when a series does continue.

There's Buffy the Vampire comics that continued with a Season 8 through like Season 15 or something. If Buffy ever gets a continuation from the old series, all those comics will be ignored in the same fashion.

[Andrew NDB]

Funny that we mention it... IDW just announced a "Picard: Countdown" comic book series.

http://www.darkhorizons.com/picard-series-to-get-prequel-tie-in-works/

C'mon, guys... fool us once...

[CyberCubed]

Yeah, still working on the assumption comics and novels are, "soft-canon" and the showrunners will most likely ignore or not reference anything that happens in them. If it doesn't happen in a series or the movies, it "doesn't count" so to speak.

Most people never consider comic book continuations or novels of shows that got canceled to be "canon" even if they fit in with continuity.

[Autbot_Benz]

FySrgrKJguE

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

FySrgrKJguE

Hello, Will. :tgrin:

[CyberCubed]

Looks a lot more action oriented than expected, although maybe that's just the quick cuts of the trailer. Looks less like a traditional Star Trek series and more of a cross between Star Wars and other sci-fi.

Also is it just me or do all the new characters remind you of the Star Wars Rogue one cast? Data of course, looks weird, but I guess there's nothing they can do with the real-life age of the actor.

Still no Worf, I guess he might show up in the last eps of Season 1 though. Any word from Michael Dorn?

For some reason I was expecting Admiral Janeway to show up. LOL, and the whole beginning reminded me of Luke on the island. So sad everyone gets old.

[Andrew NDB]

Still no Worf, I guess he might show up in the last eps of Season 1 though. Any word from Michael Dorn?

No, but fans spotted his distinctive signature on the season 1 wrap party's clapper board.

[Roseangelo]

I knew Riker and Troi were in it, but gosh darn it was seeing them the best part of this. And I also loved all the other parts. Ready for this right now, please.

[Andrew NDB]

I knew Riker and Troi were in it, but gosh darn it was seeing them the best part of this. And I also loved all the other parts. Ready for this right now, please.

Yeah, even though I know the overwhelming likelihood is that this will have a strong "Star Trek: Discovery" storytelling feel (explosions! screaming at each other!)... right at this particular moment I don't care. It's pretty awesome.

Looks like they're taking immediate advantage of being able to use designs from the old shows because of the Paramount-CBS merger and not "make it 25% different"... though I'm still not convinced that was really ever a legal thing.

[Jester]

Is Frakes beard really THAT gray?

[Andrew NDB]

Is Frakes beard really THAT gray?

Yep. They really should have given him some Just For Men.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

No, but fans spotted his distinctive signature on the season 1 wrap party's clapper board.

Reeeeeeeally?

Fvck yeah. :tcool:

[Andrew NDB]

Reeeeeeeally?

Fvck yeah. :tcool:

https://www.dailystartreknews.com/read/michael-dorn-will-not-be-appearing-in-star-trek-picard-probably

CBS tried to walk it back but I'm calling shenanigans. Why would he sign the damn clapper if he's not on the show at all?

[CyberCubed]

I think we'll see all of TNG cast at some point, except the minor recurring characters.

[Andrew NDB]

So the first issue is out of "Picard: Countdown."

It's set one year before the Hobus supernova and mostly is about Picard trying to get the Romulans ready for evacuation. Buiding ships for them and all. Basically, the Romulans only want their elite to be evacuated. There is an aboriginal-type race that is amongst their worlds that they do NOT want evacuated... so Picard doesn't like this. Apparently he is not popular with the Senate for pushing the "we need to evacuate the Romulans quickly because we don't know when Hobus supernova will blow!" thing.

As of 2386...

Picard is an Admiral. Apparently stationed on the USS Verity. It's the same as the Enterprise-F in Star Trek Online.
Geordi (a commander) works at Utopia Planetia Shipyards.
Riker and Troi are still on the Titan.
The African American lady from the trailers is his first officer on the Verity, Lt. Commander Raffi Muskier.
It is mentioned that the Enterprise is out there, but that if Picard wants to go "back" to it, that the "new captain won't give up the chair easily."

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

So the first issue is out of "Picard: Countdown."

It's set one year before the Hobus supernova and mostly is about Picard trying to get the Romulans ready for evacuation. Buiding ships for them and all. Basically, the Romulans only want their elite to be evacuated. There is an aboriginal-type race that is amongst their worlds that they do NOT want evacuated... so Picard doesn't like this. Apparently he is not popular with the Senate for pushing the "we need to evacuate the Romulans quickly because we don't know when Hobus supernova will blow!" thing.

As of 2386...

Picard is an Admiral. Apparently stationed on the USS Verity. It's the same as the Enterprise-F in Star Trek Online.
Geordi (a commander) works at Utopia Planetia Shipyards.
Riker and Troi are still on the Titan.
The African American lady from the trailers is his first officer on the Verity, Lt. Commander Raffi Muskier.
It is mentioned that the Enterprise is out there, but that if Picard wants to go "back" to it, that the "new captain won't give up the chair easily."

I enjoyed the issue. Wondering if Worf might be captain of the Enterprise, but that might be a long shot. Still... that's going to be my theory until proven otherwise.

And I liked the inherent conflict. Romulans want to be evacuated, by they're an elitist race who don't give a crap about the natives. Why wouldn't they leave them behind? They probably want to leave the Remans behind, too.

[Andrew NDB]

I enjoyed the issue. Wondering if Worf might be captain of the Enterprise, but that might be a long shot. Still... that's going to be my theory until proven otherwise.

They went out of their way to avoid a gender. I'm going to guess Crusher just because it's a gut feeling... definitely between her and Worf.

Though I suppose it could even be B4, since maybe he hasn't been blown up yet or fritzed out. Maybe we see that happen.

And I liked the inherent conflict. Romulans want to be evacuated, by they're an elitist race who don't give a crap about the natives. Why wouldn't they leave them behind? They probably want to leave the Remans behind, too.

Yeah, I was wondering why they created some other primitive Romulan race when all they had to do was use the Remans.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

They went out of their way to avoid a gender. I'm going to guess Crusher just because it's a gut feeling... definitely between her and Worf.

Though I suppose it could even be B4, since maybe he hasn't been blown up yet or fritzed out. Maybe we see that happen.

I'd rather see Beverly running the USS Pasteur like in "All Good Things"... jumping to the command track and leaving medicine entirely is too hard for me to buy. But good point--I actually forgot about her there for a second...

Yeah, I was wondering why they created some other primitive Romulan race when all they had to do was use the Remans.

Because Starfleet already knows about the Remans. It's a different fight if Starfleet is saying "Look, we KNOW about your vampiric offshoot species on Remus. Let us evacuate them, too, or no dice."

[Andrew NDB]

I'd rather see Beverly running the USS Pasteur like in "All Good Things"... jumping to the command track and leaving medicine entirely is too hard for me to buy. But good point--I actually forgot about her there for a second...

Hm, maybe you're right. And thinking big picture, maybe TBTB wanted to make Michael Dorn happy when he shows up on the show by bringing his "Captain Worf" thing to life. Albeit, differently.

Because Starfleet already knows about the Remans. It's a different fight if Starfleet is saying "Look, we KNOW about your vampiric offshoot species on Remus. Let us evacuate them, too, or no dice."

Good point.

[IMJ]

Well I mean.... are they retconning the original Countdown comic which was supposed to be in continuity as an intro to the Abramsverse? Data was Captain of the Ent-E there, and a big deal was made to say that particular book was canon.

[Andrew NDB]

Well I mean.... are they retconning the original Countdown comic which was supposed to be in continuity as an intro to the Abramsverse? Data was Captain of the Ent-E there, and a big deal was made to say that particular book was canon.

No, that can't be canon anymore. We're at the same time in this comic, and Picard is an Admiral here but in that old comic, he was an Ambassador. And unless it's going to turn out that B4-as-Data is in fact the captain of the Enterprise next issue, then that's wrong, too. Geordi seems to be in the same place in both, though.

So... not too comforting for the prospects of this Picard Countdown remaining canonical. Orci AND Kurtzman wrote the story for the old Countdown and that's out the window, so it doesn't really matter if Kirsten Beyer wrote this either.

[CyberCubed]

For TV shows I just consider comics or novels non-canon in an expanded universe kind of thing. If it doesn’t happen in a series or movie, I don’t count it.

[IMJ]

For TV shows I just consider comics or novels non-canon in an expanded universe kind of thing. If it doesn’t happen in a series or movie, I don’t count it.

I'm forced to agree in most cases, but this case it's ridiculous because both this and the original countdown book were thrust into the limelight by the movie studio and creators as being direct connections of canon events to the '09 movie, and now the show.

But yeah, this nonsense proves even further that if it doesn't happen on-screen then it's not part of the story.

[CyberCubed]

The rule of thumb for TV shows or movies that have comic or novel tie-ins, is to view all that stuff as "soft-canon" even if the creators/directors say it's canon. They know good and well most people will never pick up these books or comics, so most of the time TV shows or movies either ignore or just give this stuff a passing reference.

90% of the people watching the new Picard series aren't picking up an IDW comic of it.

[IMJ]

"soft-canon"

Good term for it, yeah. This is going to be even more ironic if the new show uses the Enterprise-F which was "canonized" in the online game....

[Andrew NDB]

This is going to be even more ironic if the new show uses the Enterprise-F which was "canonized" in the online game....

I've been wondering that, too. I feel like we will get to see the Enterprise at some point in STP, but I don't think it's going to be the E, so... kind of means F. And I doubt the people at STP are going to just say, "Oh, the online game already has a design for that ship, we have to use that."

Probably them using the design of the F for the Verity in the Picard Countdown comic is a consolation prize.

[Andrew NDB]

Chabon will not showrun season 2:

https://trekmovie.com/2019/12/10/michael-chabon-and-ayelet-waldman-sign-deal-with-cbs-will-not-showrun-star-trek-picard-season-2/?fbclid=IwAR1YHT53S_Ujz9vb6SrEI-Jc4X80m-obX250xg_yCSISF3liS6AYjJWA_zM

[Andrew NDB]

Another trailer here:

https://io9.gizmodo.com/in-a-new-look-at-star-trek-picard-jean-lucs-a-man-on-1840555153?utm_medium=socialflow&utm_campaign=socialflow_io9_facebook&utm_source=io9_facebook&fbclid=IwAR2QTX4hgm7oP3_AoYysICgukaKKnbemacsngPw0n 7IWTUbWPtEdnxlUc_A

So that WAS Data wearing the TNG movie-era uniform.

[IMJ]

I can't wait for this. I know it's not going to be straight up TNG magic. But I think this could be more akin to "Enterprise" than to that other new crapfest, whatever it was called.

TNG DNA all over it with perhaps some modern sensibility.

[Andrew NDB]

I can't wait for this. I know it's not going to be straight up TNG magic. But I think this could be more akin to "Enterprise" than to that other new crapfest, whatever it was called.

TNG DNA all over it with perhaps some modern sensibility.

I don't know... I think the first half of the season at least (when it was just Kurtzman) will be very much STD with some TNG DNA sprinkled about it. But still people screaming at one another, mandatory explosions per episode, etc..

[Andrew NDB]

So the show is about Trump and Brexit:

https://trekmovie.com/2020/01/08/patrick-stewart-on-star-trek-picard-and-how-it-reflects-the-current-state-of-world-affairs/

[Vegita-San]

ok everyone, do your best Norman, like your favorite cat just died....
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DnTznr2XsAApUrJ.jpg
UUUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGHHHHHH!

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

So the show is about Trump and Brexit:

https://trekmovie.com/2020/01/08/patrick-stewart-on-star-trek-picard-and-how-it-reflects-the-current-state-of-world-affairs/

I really don't like the "let's make the Federation corrupt!" aspect that may or may not end up being a major part of the show.

But I do think the Romulan refugee crisis is going to be great. I'm super stoked for this.

[CyberCubed]

Stars Trek has always had thinly veiled parallels to real world politics that were going on at the same time period each series came out. TOS has heavy Soviet Russia parallels. TNG and especially DS9 dealt with all kind of misgivings with foreign nations paralleling the Middle East. I remember when Enterprise was airing people were comparing Captain Archer to George W. Bush.

I don’t see why anyone would be shocked by this.

[Andrew NDB]

Stars Trek has always had thinly veiled parallels to real world politics that were going on at the same time period each series came out. TOS has heavy Soviet Russia parallels. TNG and especially DS9 dealt with all kind of misgivings with foreign nations paralleling the Middle East. I remember when Enterprise was airing people were comparing Captain Archer to George W. Bush.

I don't know that things were ever that overt. The difference between then and now is that back then it was people looking for and "finding" parallels they assume were mirroring current political stuff... and now, they're literally telling us to our faces that that's what they're doing.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I don't know that things were ever that overt. The difference between then and now is that back then it was people looking for and "finding" parallels they assume were mirroring current political stuff... and now, they're literally telling us to our faces that that's what they're doing.

NX-01 Enterprise hunting down the Xindi in the wake of the Xindi attack, man. C'mon, that's so freaking obviously America hunting down the Taliban and Iraq after 9-11. That's why the storyline happened in the first place... Super overt.

[Andrew NDB]

NX-01 Enterprise hunting down the Xindi in the wake of the Xindi attack, man. C'mon, that's so freaking obviously America hunting down the Taliban and Iraq after 9-11. That's why the storyline happened in the first place... Super overt.

That one for sure, of course. But that was a one time thing, and there'd been nothing like it before in Trek.

[Vegita-San]

that was also the start of nu age trek as well...

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

That one for sure, of course. But that was a one time thing, and there'd been nothing like it before in Trek.

Yeah, one time thing for an entire season. :trazz: I do love the Xindi season, though. It's really interesting seeing Trip and Archer go Rambo on hunting down the Xindi, as they react to their pain and loss. And peace does prevail, which is the Star Trek way.

The whole "T'Pol does drugs" subplot, though, was dumb.

[Andrew NDB]

Huh. Terry Matalas will be the STP showrunner for season 2. I guess the guy was also a production assistant back on VOY and ENT:

https://trekmovie.com/2020/01/12/star-trek-picard-renewed-for-season-2-with-terry-matalas-as-showrunner-wil-wheaton-to-host-aftershow/?fbclid=IwAR37xDmiNm1rprKBviOpye_lORUVTiGYqgv7aouu EmlBi_Voae8X3v9MdUA

And Wil Wheaton to host an aftershow for STP? Hah, OK.

[Sumac]

Show hasn't been aired yet and they have already changed showrunner?

Surely inspires confidence.

[Andrew NDB]

Show hasn't been aired yet and they have already changed showrunner?

Surely inspires confidence.

Twice. Bryan Fuller was the showrunner for half of season 1, then Michael Chabon took over for 2nd half. Now new showrunner for season 2.

[Sumac]

Twice. Bryan Fuller was the showrunner for half of season 1, then Michael Chabon took over for 2nd half. Now new showrunner for season 2.
Amazing. I can only imagine what kind for wonders it'll do for the story and tone of the show.

[CyberCubed]

Well Patrick Stewart is 79, if they want to get a few seasons out of this show before he either gets too old to act or dies, they obviously know they have to get a move on. There's a reason Season 2 was greenlit before the first episode even aired.

Granted, Patrick Stewart strikes me as a man who will live well into his 90's, but as they say, "You never know." Once you hit 80 you realize any day could be your last. It must be a weird feeling.

[ZariusTwo]

i_8t8lEwhtg

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I'm not a fan of this "deconstruct and tear down the Federation" approach, but I'm still super stoked to see what happens.

[Andrew NDB]

I'm not a fan of this "deconstruct and tear down the Federation" approach, but I'm still super stoked to see what happens.

The interviews are so strange for the past year or so. "We want to get back to to get back to the optimism that Roddenberry expressed" and then in the same breath, "Maybe the Federation and Starfleet is not what we thought, and super corrupt!" What?

[Andrew NDB]

(double post)

[oldmanwinters]

Once you hit 80 you realize any day could be your last. It must be a weird feeling.

That's actually true of every person alive at every moment.

[Sumac]

The interviews are so strange for the past year or so. "We want to get back to to get back to the optimism that Roddenberry expressed" and then in the same breath, "Maybe the Federation and Starfleet is not what we thought, and super corrupt!" What?
They want to sacrifice one of the few things that defines Star Trek for the sake of making a point about [current year] and make it an another mouthpiece for their inane "ideology".

I wonder how it'll worked out for the franchise.

What's worse, even if it fails, those 'tards behind the wheel, will get new jobs, because, they are "politically correct".

[Vegita-San]

it seems like a case of two ideologies.

Shari Redstone wants it to be more like CLASSIC star trek.

the idiots in charge put in by former ceo now gone want it to be woke and anything like star trek.

hence why they are trashing TOS and TNG in the article...to remind people 'this isn't your daddy's star trek..'

eventually hollywood will wake up.. but by that time it'll be too late.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

The interviews are so strange for the past year or so. "We want to get back to to get back to the optimism that Roddenberry expressed" and then in the same breath, "Maybe the Federation and Starfleet is not what we thought, and super corrupt!" What?

The thing is, Deep Space Nine and Enterprise were able to delve into some dark corners (Section 31, Starfleet corruption, assassinations, human prejudice against Vulcans, Vulcan prejudice against Andorians, etc) and still remain true to Trek.

I don't get the same sense from this. EVERYBODY WHO STAYED IN STARFLEET IS CORRUPT. That's why Riker, Troi, Picard, etc are out of uniform.

If this doesn't turn out to be the case, I'll be shocked. Happy, but shocked.

[ZariusTwo]

Spoiler-free review of episodes one to three

There are hints at potential retcons and status-quo changes that might be problematic, but we’ll have to wait and see…

http://www.letswatchstartrek.com/2020/01/14/first-thoughts-on-picard-premiere-no-spoilers/

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Spoiler-free review of episodes one to three



http://www.letswatchstartrek.com/2020/01/14/first-thoughts-on-picard-premiere-no-spoilers/

I wonder what he's referring to...

The review seems promising.

[Andrew NDB]

Spoiler-free review of episodes one to three



http://www.letswatchstartrek.com/2020/01/14/first-thoughts-on-picard-premiere-no-spoilers/

That actually sets my mind at ease a little bit.

[IMJ]

PLEASEBEGOODPLEASEBEGOODPleasebegoodPleasebegoodpl easebegoodpleasebegood

[CyberCubed]

I imagine the original Data is still alive will be a retcon? Or have his memory transfered to the new body.

[Andrew NDB]

I imagine the original Data is still alive will be a retcon?

If I had to speculate at what we now know...

https://i.ibb.co/cYLcYMz/picard-makes-an-announcement-to-the-press.jpg

Rogue "synths" show up and devastate Mars a decade or so STP as seen in the "Children of Mars" Short Trek. Whether they were a Starfleet experiment gone wrong or if they just appeared isn't clear, though "rogue" kind of suggests they went turncoat. But I bet they're these guys:

https://i.ibb.co/Mh9QPLD/bda5f939c4a646e2-600x338.png

Which means they're actually bastardized Soongh-type androids.

So after this happens, Starfleet freaks out about androids. In kind of a statement about internment camps and that kind of stuff, Starfleet orders that all androids serving in Starfleet be dismantled... including B4, who may or may not have manifested Data.

Or have his memory transfered to the new body.

He already did that in "Nemesis." We know it because he told us he did it.

[ZariusTwo]

A few spoilers from the TrekBBs board

The Synths were created by Maddox, the starfleet scientist who wanted to acquire Data so he could dissect him in the episode "Measure of a Man", where there was a legal case put together to defend Data's rights as a living being

Picard had been the one to arrange the mass evacuation of Romulus, but the assembled fleet was destroyed by the Synths and Starfleet called off the evacuation. Picard resigned in protest.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

A few spoilers from the TrekBBs board

The Synths were created by Maddox, the starfleet scientist who wanted to acquire Data so he could dissect him in the episode "Measure of a Man", where there was a legal case put together to defend Data's rights as a living being

Picard had been the one to arrange the mass evacuation of Romulus, but the assembled fleet was destroyed by the Synths and Starfleet called off the evacuation. Picard resigned in protest.

Daaaaaaaaaaamn. Interesting. :tgrin:

[Andrew NDB]

A little more specific:

https://i.ibb.co/cbtv4LS/82998939-1833522740117103-6637741981667688448-o.jpg

So pretty much what I thought with the androids. Still begs the question, "What made them attack?" I'm still thinking Lore.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

A little more specific:

https://i.ibb.co/cbtv4LS/82998939-1833522740117103-6637741981667688448-o.jpg

So pretty much what I thought with the androids. Still begs the question, "What made them attack?" I'm still thinking Lore.

Indeed? What makes them go rogue like that?

[Andrew NDB]

Indeed? What makes them go rogue like that?

It all comes back to Lore, I think. He's wanted his army since "Descent," and the synths being based on Soongh tech already gives him an in. Just begs the question of how did he get reassembled and such. Maybe Maddox had to reassemble him to better study the tech... or maybe in monkeying with Lore's positronic brain, somehow his consciousness is spread out amongst all of the synths, like a mini collective.

Or I'm way off and it's as simple as, "There's RACISTS in high levels of Starfleet that hate Romulans, so nasty Admirals programmed the synths to attack Mars and stop their rescue!"

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

It all comes back to Lore, I think. He's wanted his army since "Descent," and the synths being based on Soongh tech already gives him an in. Just begs the question of how did he get reassembled and such. Maybe Maddox had to reassemble him to better study the tech... or maybe in monkeying with Lore's positronic brain, somehow his consciousness is spread out amongst all of the synths, like a mini collective.

Or I'm way off and it's as simple as, "There's RACISTS in high levels of Starfleet that hate Romulans, so nasty Admirals programmed the synths to attack Mars and stop their rescue!"

I think I'd actually like the latter, rather than Maddox. As long as it's a few corrupt Starfleet brass (like Cartwright in ST VI: Undiscovered Country), and not a systematic corruption. But bringing Lore back could work.

[Andrew NDB]

Stewart invites Whoopi to season 2.

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[IMJ]

Stewart invites Whoopi to season 2.

YsA61VvA8cw

I would love to see this. Guinan's relationship with Picard was never definitively explained outside of the awkward explanation that their 1st meeting was during the time traveling snake-staff fiasco. You were always left with the expectation that there was a lot more context than that. If that's all there was, there was no deeper years of experiences - there was a meeting during time travel.

Guinan was also always a great character.

[Andrew NDB]

Guinan was also always a great character.

And is it just me, or does it feel like Guinan as a character was a great big setup for... I don't know, something that never happened or we never got to see? Some mystery they probably intended to unravel but never really did? We finally got to see another member of her race in "Generations" but that was pretty meaningless.

Obviously Guinan isn't supposed to age at all (she looked the same in the 1800s as she did in the 2300s) but I'm looking at her and I'm picturing her with the funny hat thing again and face thing... eh. It could work.

[IMJ]

And is it just me, or does it feel like Guinan as a character was a great big setup for... I don't know, something that never happened or we never got to see?

Yup, I think a lot of that goes part and parcel with the spirit of the rest of my post above.

There was sort of recurring dialog across TNG that hinted at this deep connection between her and Picard. But if that connection was only drawn from the Time's Arrow story, then that's less of a deep connection and more simply like "wow, I met you 500 years ago and here you are on my ship. Cool!" and that' it.

[Andrew NDB]

There was sort of recurring dialog across TNG that hinted at this deep connection between her and Picard. But if that connection was only drawn from the Time's Arrow story, then that's less of a deep connection and more simply like "wow, I met you 500 years ago and here you are on my ship. Cool!" and that' it.

Which only ever spoke to her fondness for Picard, not vice versa.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Yeah, Guinan and Picard as friends/lovers/whatever really should have been explored more.

Also why Q was intimidated by Guinan. That NEVER got addressed, which is frustrating.

[IMJ]

Yeah, Guinan and Picard as friends/lovers/whatever really should have been explored more.

Also why Q was intimidated by Guinan. That NEVER got addressed, which is frustrating.

That whole scene was ridiculous with the hand gestures and whatnot. El Aurians are always implied as being sort of empathic with minor abilities to manipulate the thoughts of others, but whatever Guinan was doing with her hands to "counter" Q was ridiculous.

[Andrew NDB]

That whole scene was ridiculous with the hand gestures and whatnot. El Aurians are always implied as being sort of empathic with minor abilities to manipulate the thoughts of others, but whatever Guinan was doing with her hands to "counter" Q was ridiculous.

But still, I always wanted an explanation for that. Like, maybe the El Aurians are the base species of the Q. Like, the El Aurians that ascend became the Q (Q himself, Trelane, etc.).

[IMJ]

But still, I always wanted an explanation for that. Like, maybe the El Aurians are the base species of the Q. Like, the El Aurians that ascend became the Q (Q himself, Trelane, etc.).

YYUUUp. SOMETHING!

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

But still, I always wanted an explanation for that. Like, maybe the El Aurians are the base species of the Q. Like, the El Aurians that ascend became the Q (Q himself, Trelane, etc.).

Agreed. Yes, it was dumb but it NEEDED TO BE ADDRESSED. :trazz:

[Andrew NDB]

Though with Guinan joining the show... that probably looks pretty good for seeing Q in season 2, right?

[IMJ]

Though with Guinan joining the show... that probably looks pretty good for seeing Q in season 2, right?

Maybe. But then this is a serialized show so he'd most likely have to show up as a function of the story rather than showing up as the story.....

[Andrew NDB]

Maybe. But then this is a serialized show so he'd most likely have to show up as a function of the story rather than showing up as the story.....

For sure. I'm picturing like... Q is the big season 1 cliffhanger, and season 2 is the big Q season. And it's super easy to get plenty of VOY/TNG/DS9 cameos with Q. Just a fingersnap away. Not that I want that just for the sake of it... but they COULD.

I remember way back, after Generations they said they had a Borg script and they had a Q script, for the sequel. We never got to know what that was all about.

Sidenote: I just rewatched all of the teasers and trailers for Picard. Eeeesh. That is a staggering amount of phasers being fired and explosions and people yelling at one another... sure seems a lot like STD.

[CyberCubed]

Are Riker and Troi only in 1 episode or will they appear throughout the season? From the look of things they’re only in the beginning on Earth before Picard goes back into space.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I'm gonna have to try really hard to avoid spoilers, because I'm not signing up for All Access until I can marathon most of the season. Ain't gonna settle for one episode of Picard a week. :trazz:

[newfan]

Hmm, that's a thought, I don't know if Prime members (outside US) will have to wait until it has finished airing there before we get it, as we do with the Titans on Netflix. I can always quickly search and find that out though. Edit: Ah, no scratch that, it is tomorrow and airs weekly. Well, I have the Chilling Adventures of Sabrina to binge from tomorrow anyway so that saves me choosing which first. (have a feeling I might have gone with Picard though)

[Andrew NDB]

Are Riker and Troi only in 1 episode or will they appear throughout the season? From the look of things they’re only in the beginning on Earth before Picard goes back into space.

I think I read that he said they were just in 1 episode, and it didn't shoot until fairly late into things so it's probably not for a bit.

[ZariusTwo]

That was a winner for me.

t really felt like I was watching a follow-up to the Next Generation, it moved the original continuity forward, the production looked slick, and the cost of Picard's adventures off and later on are conveyed flawlessly by how spent and then ignited Patrick becomes in the scenes that command him to be. I actually did think briefly the romulan at the end might have been related to Nero from Trek '09, but that's probably a headcanon too far that'll be contradicted later

Riker and Troi weren't in this episode btw.

[IMJ]

That was a winner for me.

t really felt like I was watching a follow-up to the Next Generation, it moved the original continuity forward, the production looked slick, and the cost of Picard's adventures off and later on are conveyed flawlessly by how spent and then ignited Patrick becomes in the scenes that command him to be. I actually did think briefly the romulan at the end might have been related to Nero from Trek '09, but that's probably a headcanon too far that'll be contradicted later

Riker and Troi weren't in this episode btw.

I agree. I liked it a lot too. Although I have to say that most discerning fans will see where the entire thing is going in regards to Data, given the one line of dialog between Picard and the blonde Android scientist at the Daystrom Institute.

Spoilers in case you haven't seen it or otherwise haven't deduced the show's entire "B" plot.....

Basically the picture was painted that Data will be recovered at some point in the show based on even the smallest engram they can recover. They will do this without de-aging Spiner because Data will be brought back in a humanoid body and he will finally complete his character arc regarding becoming "human". From there, given all standard story tropes he will rise to become the new leader of some kind of "android freedom movement", given the repurcussions of the Utopia Planetia uprising.

[Andrew NDB]

I think you've cracked the case, IMJ. That seems exactly where things are going and the table is already set with what Dhaj is.

Though surely they'll do... something with Spiner when it's all said and done, right? Like, keep the wig or something? Putting his positronic brain into the human body of a 70 year-old seems kind of... eh, odd?

Saw it. Wasn't bad at all. Lots of character stuff which was refreshing. It's hard to shake just being giddy at seeing Stewart as Picard again, which of course is what they're counting on. Still, nothing really pulled me out of the episode.

[Andrew NDB]

Bastards... the next episode shows the original Enterprise as a hologram... but it's the STD Enterprise.

https://i.ibb.co/nkv9FZW/received-190580909009883.jpg

[IMJ]

Bastards... the next episode shows the original Enterprise as a hologram... but it's the STD

https://i.ibb.co/nkv9FZW/received-190580909009883.jpg

So, as a point of conversation - The Original Series. I know that it was remastered already - I love my Blu-ray set with the option to go between the effects shots as camera angles. At the time they did this they were really trying to appease the purists with the style of upgrade - and I understand that.

But I'll tell you what - if they went back and cut out al of the TOS effect shots and replaced them with modern cgi like that Discovery Enterprise, I would not object at all.

The shots in the first scenes of Picard with the D and ten forward were amazing. Ten Forward looked larger and more grandiose with the lighting and widescreen feel to give it "Galaxy Class size" in a way that we only had begun to catch a glimpse of during "Generations".

So to be clear - I'm not a fan of the Discovery art direction, but I am a fan of the modern sensibilities. If they re-released TOS and TNG on 4k discs and upgraded all of the special effects to reflect modern sensibilities of size and scope and even lighting, yet retained all of the original art direction I would be ensconced in Star Trek for another significant portion of my viewing life. Although on this wishlist, I would add, do not use the Abram's "phasers". I hate those - those are Star Wars laser blasts not phasers. Phasers are contiguous streams of energy rather than shot gun blasts. Keep the original phasers.

[Jester]

I was watching the Ready Room after show on Youtube and something dawned on me that some of the artifacts in Picard's archive would have been lost in the destruction of the Enterprise D on Veridian III. I need to rewatch for more thoughts, but I liked it for the character stuff but action hero Daj was the one thing that struck me as silly.

Also all this talk of Synths, Soong androids and no reference made to Lore? Curious.

Rewatching and one thing I now remember thinking was, "Well...he dead." When Picard was thrown several feet when Daj was blowed up real good.

[IMJ]

I was watching the Ready Room after show on Youtube and something dawned on me that some of the artifacts in Picard's archive would have been lost in the destruction of the Enterprise D on Veridian III. I need to rewatch for more thoughts, but I liked it for the character stuff but action hero Daj was the one thing that struck me as silly.

Also all this talk of Synths, Soong androids and no reference made to Lore? Curious.

Rewatching and one thing I now remember thinking was, "Well...he dead." When Picard was thrown several feet when Daj was blowed up real good.

Agreed regarding the personal items. Although I guess an in-story solution to this would be that now and again during a trip to a Starbase the crew of the D would unload personal or frivolous items/possessions from storage to be taken back to Earth. There's finite storage for frivolous stuff on a Starship, so that's an explanation. There was also a lot of saucer section remaining as well....

Definitely waiting out the series for Lore's fate. That's something they basically never gave any dialog to after his fate at being shut down by Data at the end of "Descent".

Regarding the explosion you mentioned? I thought the same thing - 90 year-old Picard was winded running up stairs one minute earlier, but the pressure wave from a nearby weapon explosion sends him flying 20 or so feet onto concrete and he's fine. LOL!

[Jester]

Also, Geordi was promoted and was lead engineer on Utopia Planitia, do you think he's among the dead in the Synth attack on Mars?

[Andrew NDB]

No way would they kill Geordi off-camera. And everything in the saucer section of the D was intact... just shaken up.

[Jester]

True...but were crew quarters on the saucer or the drive section?

[Andrew NDB]

A Google tells me the Captain's quarters were at the front of the saucer.

Also, no one's talked about the music. Is it just me or is that a really lame theme?

[IMJ]

True...but were crew quarters on the saucer or the drive section?

Also remember that most of the crew resided on the Saucer section. When the ship separated it was traditionally the saucer section that everyone survived in while the battle bridge went into a fight with the nacelles attached.

A Google tells me the Captain's quarters were at the front of the saucer.

Also, no one's talked about the music. Is it just me or is that a really lame theme?

I think the musical theme is supposed to speak to the soft spoken nature of Picard more so than the exploratory nature of boldly going somewhere.

[Andrew NDB]

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Yeah. Yeah, that's about right.

[IMJ]

Yeah. Yeah, that's about right.

Just a small point about the difference between nitpicking to boost personal ego, and actual fan criticisms. I think some of this - the "Youtube negativity" can sometimes be a result of when a fan doesn't differentiate between the rosy colored lens of past fandom and the more cynical nature of age.

So basically, not many things are going to grip us without criticism when we go into it purely wanting more of what made us happy when we were younger. So it's probably better for the enjoyment of something to disregard the occasional story nonsense, as long as a story isn't completely warping a property because of some creator agenda. So, whereas you can make those criticisms about something like The Last Jedi, I don't think Picard has done anything yet other than have less innocent eyes look at it and find a way to "science-fiction some answers" into some stuff.

Obviously the show could still really jump the shark - but jumping the shark is a definitive point when a franchise truly does outlandish stuff. Indiana Jones in a nuked fridge. Luke Skywalker drinking milk from the tit of a lactating alien monster. The Mandarin in Iron Man 3 turns out to be a joke. -Fonzie actually jumping over a shark with a motorcycle-.

You know what I mean? That distinct difference between real I.P. problems as opposed to fans who want to intellectualize by being overly critical? Go back and watch TNG - we all love that show, but man there's some real criticisms you could muster up there that back in the day you probably just accepted. Something to consider about Picard - which COULD STILL jump the shark. But for now? Solid first episode, even IF the Romulans put a "space bag" on someone's head.

[Andrew NDB]

There could be an argument for considerably warping Starfleet and/or the Federation into xenophobic racists in the 25th century (when things like racism wasn't even a thing that existed or anybody thought about in even the 23rd) -- and we're talking, apparently now, beyond the occasional rogue admiral we'd see here or there -- as a pretty big perversion of the core ideals of the whole point of Star Trek just to accommodate current political talking points.

I was pleasantly surprised with the first episode, beyond some of the dumb stuff they pointed out in that video. But there could easily be a hard left turn with the ones to come.

[Vegita-San]

basically fool them with hope..

sigh

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[IMJ]

Well if that is true, there's Andrew's Q material! I'm cool wit dat......

[Andrew NDB]

Well if that is true, there's Andrew's Q material! I'm cool wit dat......

Yeah, I'm looking at these leaks (which have at least some credence because they were dead on with the first episode)...

https://boundingintocomics.com/2020/01/24/4chan-star-trek-picard-leaks-turn-out-to-be-true-franchise-might-be-in-trouble/

So Jurati will be revealed to be a male-to-female transexual, Raffi will be addicted to opioids, one of them died and one of them is a secret Borg sleeper agent?

[Vegita-San]

sttttuuuupppid.....


sigh.

hollywood is so creatively bankrupt, they don't see how bad this sounds.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Yeah, I'm looking at these leaks (which have at least some credence because they were dead on with the first episode)...

https://boundingintocomics.com/2020/01/24/4chan-star-trek-picard-leaks-turn-out-to-be-true-franchise-might-be-in-trouble/

So Jurati will be revealed to be a male-to-female transexual, Raffi will be addicted to opioids, one of them died and one of them is a secret Borg sleeper agent?

And Bruce Maddox is Donald Trump? But also behind the Utopia Planetia synth attack?

Huh. Will wait to see how it plays out.

[Andrew NDB]

So, just to review, assuming these leaks are dead-on...

* Racism: Anti-Romulan sentiment among the upper echelons in Starfleet and the Federation.
* Immigration: Romulans not being welcomed with open arms, Picard having to help their 900 million refugees.
* Sexual identity: One of the main cast is a transexual.
* Opioid epidemic: One of the main cast is an opioid addict.

Am I missing anything? You can also bet the farm one of them will be revealed as gay. They're really checking all of the boxes on this, if it's all true (and I don't really doubt that it is).

[Andrew NDB]

Wait a minute... Spock in ST2009, immediately during the Romulan sun (a retcon in itself) going supernova, had readily available know how about how to implement site-to-site transport anywhere in the universe. We know this because he told us this, and he gave it to Scotty the code for it after he time-traveled to the 23rd century. Like, he treated it like it wasn't even a big deal from when he was from, like as casually as when Scotty inputted the code for transparent aluminum in IV. That means that tech exists in STP. More importantly, it begs the question... why didn't they just use that tech to beam all the Romulans on Romulus and Remus to any one of the dozens of other Romulan worlds in other systems? Why the need to build a bunch of ships on Mars?

[Sumac]

Nothing spells "progressive" like having a checklist of themes you need to add to the show to make [current age] relevant.

[IMJ]

Wait a minute... Spock in ST2009, immediately during the Romulan sun (a retcon in itself) going supernova, had readily available know how about how to implement site-to-site transport anywhere in the universe. We know this because he told us this, and he gave it to Scotty the code for it after he time-traveled to the 23rd century. Like, he treated it like it wasn't even a big deal from when he was from, like as casually as when Scotty inputted the code for transparent aluminum in IV. That means that tech exists in STP. More importantly, it begs the question... why didn't they just use that tech to beam all the Romulans on Romulus and Remus to any one of the dozens of other Romulan worlds in other systems? Why the need to build a bunch of ships on Mars?

Maybe it takes a disproportionate amount of power. Whereas a power cell can complete the action with one or two people, the power demands to beam an entire civilization would be impossible.

-shrugs- It's Abrams Trek, man. R2-D2 was in it for God's sake.

[Andrew NDB]

So Picard #3 is out. It now looks like it was definitely the Tal Shiar that were chasing Dhaj in the first episode, and probably even put the synths up to the attack on Mars as well.

Well that all checks out. You know Kurtzman/JJ's love affair with black ops. If it's not Section 31 then it's gotta be somebody.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

So Picard #3 is out. It now looks like it was definitely the Tal Shiar that were chasing Dhaj in the first episode, and probably even put the synths up to the attack on Mars as well.

Well that all checks out. You know Kurtzman/JJ's love affair with black ops. If it's not Section 31 then it's gotta be somebody.

Why the hell would the Tal Shiar sabotage the rescue of their own people? Maybe coopt the fleet, sure... but just wipe it out?

[Andrew NDB]

Why the hell would the Tal Shiar sabotage the rescue of their own people? Maybe coopt the fleet, sure... but just wipe it out?

Basically, they didn't believe that the supernova was a real thing, that it was all a Federation plot to subjugate the Romulans.

"So the Tal Shiar plotted in kind. It is what we do best, after all. This ship is just the first of many attacks on Federation vessels that they have planned, to sabotage the evacuation and resettlement efforts." (from the issue)

[Jester]

Does that make the Tal Shiar STP's analog for climate change deniers?

[Sumac]

And throw in another checkmark!

[Jester]

Kinda disappointed that all Countdown does to set the ground work for Picard is reveal who the Romulans working at Chateau Picard are and reveal the Tal Shiar as the "big bad" as Andrew said not Section 31...but totally Section 31...

[Andrew NDB]

Kinda disappointed that all Countdown does to set the ground work is reveal who the Romulans working at Chateau Picard and reveal the Tal Shiar as the "big bad"

Yeah, that's all it does. Disappointing. I figured for sure it'd follow through at least to the Mars attack and the supernova. This whole story is just an insolated incident on Romulus with "intrigue" before the "Ah-HAH! The Tal Shiar!" at the end.

[Jester]

I was half expecting the final scene where Picard contacted Geordi to end with the synth attack.

[Andrew NDB]

I was half expecting the final scene where Picard contacted Geordi to end with the synth attack.

Maybe it was going to, with it heavily implying Geordi would be in jeopardy. That last page and a half of #3 smells like a rewrite with Picard and Geordi saying precisely nothing about anything (also, the issue itself was delayed by a couple of weeks because of "production issues"... hmmm).

[Jester]

That thought crossed my mind, that it was removal was the cause of the delay.

[Andrew NDB]

Eh. It's not just me, is it?

https://i.ibb.co/7gjbWTH/received-117934812916351.jpg

[Andrew NDB]

I can't watch episode 2 yet but I've heard...

... it confirms that Geordi is OK. And there's an F bomb in the episode.

[Jester]

Yep, there are F-bombs and throwaway references to Riker, Worf, and Geordi...

[Andrew NDB]

Is it good?

[Jester]

Meh... it has some good character stuff but...I'm tired of secret organizations in New Trek. Section 31, the Tal Shiar, and the newly minted Zhat Vash, an even more secretive Romulan group... Oye...

[IMJ]

Is it good?

Episode 2 was 100% narration. For weekly T.V. this episode is a bit of a fail, but let's face it - this show is more like a T.V. mini-series movie. So when you finally sit down to watch it altogether this ep will work better.

-There were some reveals about what is going on with the Romulans and Starfleet. Lots of old man Picard.

-The "f" bomb was unnecessary and felt like some idiot think they are pushing the envelope like TOS did with the interracial kiss. Except that the F-bomb accomplished nothing and the line it was attached to could have been delivered just as effectively without it.

-The scenes with Picard in his study while sort of teaming up with his Romulan maid-assistant person was, I suppose, meant to invoke at the desk of his Captain's Ready Room having conferences with his crew.

It wasn't a very good episode, but with that said, I'm confident it will blend in much better as a talking heads chapter once the season wraps up. After all, the main story is all they have - it's not like they are out exploring space for something new each week.