Sinking ratings, is nostalgia not working? - Page 2

~~ABrown~~ · 04-08-2016, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

But even peeking at a recent show like "Sam and Cat" on Nick, that managed to stay afloat well above 3 million its whole run. Why would kids be more apt to not watch TMNT on TV but watch something like Sam and Cat on TV instead?

Well Sam And Cat wasn't exactly for the same target audience. Nick's TMNT is targeted towards 5-10 year old boys. Whereas S&C's target audience was preteen/teenage boys AND girls. Also, new episodes of S&C aired in prime time, while the new TMNT episodes air on Sunday mornings.

*Andrew NDB* · 04-08-2016, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ABrown

Well Sam And Cat wasn't exactly for the same target audience. Nick's TMNT is targeted towards 5-10 year old boys. Whereas S&C's target audience was preteen/teenage boys AND girls. Also, new episodes of S&C aired in prime time, while the new TMNT episodes air on Sunday mornings.

You were watching Sam & Cat. Weren't you.

~~ABrown~~ · 04-08-2016, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

You were watching Sam & Cat. Weren't you.

I didn't really like it. Though I absolutely LOVED Victorious. That was a good show. ICarly wasn't bad either. But S&C was definitely the worst of the three shows.

*shredder orokusaki* · 04-08-2016, 02:40 PM

It is because there are a lot more peolle nowdays who watch shows online on their pc than on TV. Thanks to the internet we dont need to watch it at the timre it plays on tv. When 2003 and 1987 shows aired you couldnt find the episodes on the internet. Nowdays evry new episode of a show(any show not just TMNT) can be watched for free on the internet at the same day that it plays on TV. I am sure Nick cares more about the sales of episodes on Itunes than the ratings on TV. That because they dont make any money from high ratings/people who watch it on tv but they make lot of money from the people who buy it from Itunes. Do you understand it? It is and will always be the best action adventure show ever. Nothing can beat tmnt

thundermaster612 · 04-08-2016, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Avatar aired a decade ago. It began in 2005 and ended around 2008-2009, didn't it?

The whole media landscape is vastly different now than in the early 2000's. Now most kids watch episodes online, they don't even watch shows on TV anymore.

I have to watch the episodes online, my TV doesn't have Nickelodeon

But I'm sure the movies might put up a bit of interest

*Andrew NDB* · 04-08-2016, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by thundermaster612

I have to watch the episodes online, my TV doesn't have Nickelodeon

But I'm sure the movies might put up a bit of interest

Again, the ratings actually went down -- and fairly significantly -- when the last movie came out. Whether that's coincidence or not, I'm not sure... but it's a pretty fair indicator that new movies won't help.

The Happy One · 04-08-2016, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

But even peeking at a recent show like "Sam and Cat" on Nick, that managed to stay afloat well above 3 million its whole run. Why would kids be more apt to not watch TMNT on TV but watch something like Sam and Cat on TV instead?

Seems pretty clear that the kiddies and audiences in general are just walking away from Nick TMNT.

Good question. But you have to remember that most people regularly watching TMNT aren't kids. It's adults and young adults and that means a lot of them are busy. Me, personally, have just enough time to see the ep before I have to head out...some people, not so much. That's where streaming and watching online come from. Like Vicky pointed out, ITunes is a big one that people use.

Where as with that Sam and Cat thing- the people who watch that regularly are 13 and younger...most 13 and under kids don't say 'darn I'm so busy today I'll just stream or catch it on ITunes'.

So, those shows get those views.

But, anyway...the show's sucess- like a bunch of cartoons- relies heavily on toy sales rather that views.

Heh..oops, didn't realize this was basically already covered. Sorry, folks

*LeotheLateBloomer* · 04-08-2016, 03:49 PM

Would you guys say that there are more adults watching the Nick series more than kids, despite how many kids have the merchandise for it?

*Andrew NDB* · 04-08-2016, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by LeotheLateBloomer

Would you guys say that there are more adults watching the Nick series more than kids

Not remotely.

*CyberCubed* · 04-08-2016, 04:28 PM

I think a lot of you forget how quickly kids interest in shows fade. The Nick show started in 2012...its now 2016. A kid who was 10 in 2012 is now 14 years old...a teenager. He's in the phase where cartoons are "uncool" and wants to grow up.

A kid who was 8 back in 2012 is now 12 years old in 2016. Maybe the 12 year old doesn't want to watch cartoons anymore.

Some of you forget how quickly kids tastes change and how quickly they grow up nowadays. Likewise most kids today are distracted by social media, minecraft, youtube, etc....that our generation didn't have when we were younger.

Aaronardo · 04-08-2016, 04:37 PM

Are we forgetting that ratings for kids' animation in general is dropping? Imagine the gradual decline seen on this show, but for almost every other show (the same trend applies to Adventure Time, Gravity Falls, the sort). This is mostly either due to children "growing up" and none that take their place because they feel "grown up" already (highly unlikely), or most people watch them digitally/illegally.
That's pretty much the case for every animated kids' show right now, and TMNT isn't the exception. Teen Titans Go is the only exception as far as I know.

*Andrew NDB* · 04-08-2016, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Aaronardo

This is mostly either due to children "growing up" and none that take their place because they feel "grown up" already (highly unlikely), or most people watch them digitally/illegally.

I'm imagining like an army of millions of 9 year olds getting on Pirate Bay and torrenting episodes of Nickelodeon TMNT... and it being completely ridiculous. Because that's not happening.

*CyberCubed* · 04-08-2016, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

I'm imagining like an army of millions of 9 year olds getting on Pirate Bay and torrenting episodes of Nickelodeon TMNT... and it being completely ridiculous. Because that's not happening.

Most kids shows are easily found just by typing it into google. We're not in 2005 anymore, every TV show is on the internet streaming. You don't even need to torrent anymore.

*shredder orokusaki* · 04-08-2016, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

I'm imagining like an army of millions of 9 year olds getting on Pirate Bay and torrenting episodes of Nickelodeon TMNT... and it being completely ridiculous. Because that's not happening.

There is an army of pitates that torrenting all tv shows. It dosent matter if most of hem are kids or adults but there are many people who prefer to download a episode from pirate bay and watch it any time they wat than to watch it when it airs on tv.

*plastroncafe* · 04-08-2016, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Vegita-San

venturing out of my safe area for a bit.

To me, it's just not that strong a show. and it's a shame because it has a potential to be.

The cast is amazing. the animation is great. The Music is superb.
But the show itself is just kind of....everywhere.

It can't decide if it wants to be brazenly serious, brazenly comedic, brazenly horror.

It forgets plot points. it throws out cool plot points that get forgotten about (aprils mother,anyone?) . Characters show up at random. There is NO REASON to have a Krang Prime if it's not a main character. why even bother having it?

Karai's all but been forgotten about. Shredder shows up when they remember he's in the show. Baxters been all but forgotten about.

this show is like its' being run by 5 different people and not one is on the same page.

And these super long breaks in between episodes isn't helping it either. by the time you get used to the show being back, it's gone again for two months.

This is the first turtle series I haven't seen episodes more than once. Me. one of the biggest turtle fans out there.

there's just not enough new ground covered. and the old ground that is revisited just isn't done well enough to capture my imagination. except leatherhead and Bebop and Rocksteady. those I think they got right. everything else, not so much.

this thing feels like it's run too much by committee rather than by fans with a plan.

I can't possibly ^^^THIS^^^ this more.

*snake* · 04-08-2016, 05:04 PM

Nick f*cked up with the constant breaks, sh*t advertising, and no one knowing when the show is on. Not to mention not even increasing the budget as the show went along.

*CyberCubed* · 04-08-2016, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by plastroncafe

I can't possibly ^^^THIS^^^ this more.

Except most of what that guy says isn't true. There are no forgotten plots. Karai isn't forgotten about. Its almost like some people don't get the concept of recurring villains, they don't have to be in every single episode.

Likewise most of the updates to old characters have been very creative and surprising.

~~Commenter 42~~ · 04-08-2016, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

But if anything, the Nick TMNT cartoon ratings took a sharp decline when the last movie came out. By that logic, the next one might just sink it.

This IS what's happening. Bay is killing TMNT, by both diluting and polluting the brand.

Outside of that, The nostalgia window is closing. I think people are sick of re-treads in general, tbh.

*ssjup81* · 04-08-2016, 06:57 PM

I still feel that the inconsistent times and the breaks have a lot to do with it, along with the fact that people view a lot of media online these days, where ratings aren't accounted for.

I know I mentioned this before. Didn't you all say that sometimes they would change the time of the program or when it goes into a break, they don't just air the 2k12 show in that slot? To me that's just unusual. I used Rugrats as an example before.

Back then, during its first run, Rugrats was "canceled", so to speak, and they just constantly played reruns. During its hiatus, it garnered its popularity, hence new eps were made. Even though Rugrats didn't have any new episodes at that time, it still kept its primary time slot. I knew that if I tuned in on that day at that time, Rugrats would be on, regardless if it was a rerun or not. I don't think this show does that (you guys have to tell me). One time you guys said they pre-empted this show for frickin' Full House! Geez....

How can people tune in for the show if it's not shown at a consistent time all the time or every week? I know for me, if I was watching this show (or any show) as a kid, and they kept changing up how it was shown, I would just stop watching due to forgetting when it comes on since it changes and isn't consistent.

The show also isn't promoted much, right? You guys have to inform me of this one. If it's not being properly promoted, how can people tune in to watch it?

Other problem...many people can just watch the show (along with other things) online now. It's not like how it was years ago where your only choice was to either watch it when it aired or just hope for a rerun of what you missed on TV.

Other issue...people are losing interest, but that goes for any show over a course of time, but I feel that a lot of factors aid to why this show's ratings have dropped.

thundermaster612 · 04-08-2016, 07:01 PM

If nostalgia really is the issue then why not create new characters and new storylines instead of reusing old ones, like they created Dogpound and Fishface and they were new and cool (then they mutated Dogpound but that's not the point).

Also random place to point this out but did anyone realize that Mr. Murakami is a reference to the Murakami - Wolf - Swenson thing?

04-08-2016, 02:40 PM	#24
shredder orokusaki Mad Scientist Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Japan Posts: 1,522	It is because there are a lot more peolle nowdays who watch shows online on their pc than on TV. Thanks to the internet we dont need to watch it at the timre it plays on tv. When 2003 and 1987 shows aired you couldnt find the episodes on the internet. Nowdays evry new episode of a show(any show not just TMNT) can be watched for free on the internet at the same day that it plays on TV. I am sure Nick cares more about the sales of episodes on Itunes than the ratings on TV. That because they dont make any money from high ratings/people who watch it on tv but they make lot of money from the people who buy it from Itunes. Do you understand it? It is and will always be the best action adventure show ever. Nothing can beat tmnt __________________ I AM THE SHREDDER!!!!!

04-08-2016, 04:37 PM	#31
Aaronardo Mad Scientist Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: :noitacoL Posts: 1,043	Are we forgetting that ratings for kids' animation in general is dropping? Imagine the gradual decline seen on this show, but for almost every other show (the same trend applies to Adventure Time, Gravity Falls, the sort). This is mostly either due to children "growing up" and none that take their place because they feel "grown up" already (highly unlikely), or most people watch them digitally/illegally. That's pretty much the case for every animated kids' show right now, and TMNT isn't the exception. Teen Titans Go is the only exception as far as I know. __________________ "Shredder, you gotta listen to reason!" - Leonardo "Oh Turtles! Oh Turtles! Chew your gum properly." "If I miss this week's Kirby, heads are gonna roll." - Raphael "The Biosites have almost finished healing my flesh." - Shredder "Because we're takin' the heart and you're goin' to jail!" - Donatello

04-08-2016, 07:01 PM	#40
thundermaster612 Mad Scientist Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Ninjago City Posts: 1,214	If nostalgia really is the issue then why not create new characters and new storylines instead of reusing old ones, like they created Dogpound and Fishface and they were new and cool (then they mutated Dogpound but that's not the point). Also random place to point this out but did anyone realize that Mr. Murakami is a reference to the Murakami - Wolf - Swenson thing? __________________

04-08-2016, 03:49 PM	#28
LeotheLateBloomer Foot Elite Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 3,117	Would you guys say that there are more adults watching the Nick series more than kids, despite how many kids have the merchandise for it?

04-08-2016, 04:28 PM	#30
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,880	I think a lot of you forget how quickly kids interest in shows fade. The Nick show started in 2012...its now 2016. A kid who was 10 in 2012 is now 14 years old...a teenager. He's in the phase where cartoons are "uncool" and wants to grow up. A kid who was 8 back in 2012 is now 12 years old in 2016. Maybe the 12 year old doesn't want to watch cartoons anymore. Some of you forget how quickly kids tastes change and how quickly they grow up nowadays. Likewise most kids today are distracted by social media, minecraft, youtube, etc....that our generation didn't have when we were younger.

04-08-2016, 05:04 PM	#36
snake Disgusting Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Outer Heaven Posts: 12,231	Nick fcked up with the constant breaks, sht advertising, and no one knowing when the show is on. Not to mention not even increasing the budget as the show went along.

04-08-2016, 06:57 PM	#39
ssjup81 Foot Elite Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Central Virginia (Back in the US) Posts: 4,734	I still feel that the inconsistent times and the breaks have a lot to do with it, along with the fact that people view a lot of media online these days, where ratings aren't accounted for. I know I mentioned this before. Didn't you all say that sometimes they would change the time of the program or when it goes into a break, they don't just air the 2k12 show in that slot? To me that's just unusual. I used Rugrats as an example before. Back then, during its first run, Rugrats was "canceled", so to speak, and they just constantly played reruns. During its hiatus, it garnered its popularity, hence new eps were made. Even though Rugrats didn't have any new episodes at that time, it still kept its primary time slot. I knew that if I tuned in on that day at that time, Rugrats would be on, regardless if it was a rerun or not. I don't think this show does that (you guys have to tell me). One time you guys said they pre-empted this show for frickin' Full House! Geez.... How can people tune in for the show if it's not shown at a consistent time all the time or every week? I know for me, if I was watching this show (or any show) as a kid, and they kept changing up how it was shown, I would just stop watching due to forgetting when it comes on since it changes and isn't consistent. The show also isn't promoted much, right? You guys have to inform me of this one. If it's not being properly promoted, how can people tune in to watch it? Other problem...many people can just watch the show (along with other things) online now. It's not like how it was years ago where your only choice was to either watch it when it aired or just hope for a rerun of what you missed on TV. Other issue...people are losing interest, but that goes for any show over a course of time, but I feel that a lot of factors aid to why this show's ratings have dropped.