Official Justice League Movie

~~Leo656~~ · 03-15-2021, 04:36 PM

I'm sure Pattinson's Batman movie won't be "a bad movie" but I'm neither interested in him as an actor nor in seeing some of the drastic "reinterpretations" of characters like The Riddler.

It's not gonna be "my kind of movie" and therefore I'm not excited to or looking forward to it. I confess that I do have big problems with the fact that the project only exists because they decided to throw out something else that would have been great, but I won't go so far as to say it will be a "bad movie", unless it is which I doubt. Just like I don't think most of the MCU movies are "bad movies", they're just not what I like to see. They're very good at doing what they try to do, which is pretty much the opposite of what the DC movies initially tried to do.

The difference is in the specific type of critical approach a person takes. There's generally only Two Types of negative opinion:

- "This is Bad, therefore I don't like it."

And it's similarly-dressed, but completely independent sibling:

- "I don't like this, therefore it is Bad."

Criticism of the DC movies has always, 99.999% of the time been the latter, and that's a type of "criticism" I simply can't get behind. People didn't like the tone, the color palette, the overall storyline? That's fine, that's allowed. But to say that any of Snyder's DC films were "bad" because of an individual's subjective taste in how he decided to make them... that's questionable. Because they're not "bad movies". They are exceptionally well-crafted to anyone who decides to take them objectively. As I've said, I don't think the MCU movies are "bad movies" either, they're exceptionally well-made, they're just "bad" at giving me the experience I want from a super-hero movie, which is something that the Snyder films provide: Scope, stakes, and gravitas. So while I might not deign to ever watch them, or Pattinson's Batman movie, for my own personal reasons I won't condescend as others have to say that such-and-such is "bad". I've seen enough "bad movies" to know one when I see one, and "This isn't what I wanted" is NOT the same as "This is Bad". So very, very much about what people say is "bad" about those movies simply isn't; it's just not to their tastes, or my favorite, "Here's what *I* would have done..." or "What super-hero movies SHOULD be like is This..."

I wish more people truly understood the difference between those types of "criticism" before they speak. As you said, those who have issues with Snyder's DC movies do generally suck at explaining themselves. I do strongly feel that most of the "criticism" even when it's sincere and thought-out is simply garbage, though. Those movies are held under a totally different microscope than most, for no good reason. Just for fun I like to try and apply some of the same critiques to stuff like the Lord of the Rings trilogy, and as expected those same exact criticisms COULD be made in all seriousness towards that trilogy of films but simply are not. It's kinda funny how that works. It's almost like when people look for stuff to bitch about, or expect not to like something, they find stuff to complain about. "Shocking".

You're definitely wrong about people not having preconceived notions about Snyder even before MoS, though. Go back to "Watchmen"; there's never been any middle ground on that one, it's either one of the Top 3 or Bottom 3 comic book movies of all time depending on who you are. Like everything else he's done, a person either really likes or really HATES that movie, and thus when it was announced that he was going to be steering the DC ship beginning with MoS people definitely had opinions. Just today for example, I saw a few comments in various places that were some variant of, "How do I know the Snyder Cut is trash? Because I saw 'Watchmen'." Those lines in the sand were drawn a long, long time ago, and absolutely nobody who picked a side Then is gonna change their opinion Now, no matter what happens.

03-15-2021, 04:36 PM	#11
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	I'm sure Pattinson's Batman movie won't be "a bad movie" but I'm neither interested in him as an actor nor in seeing some of the drastic "reinterpretations" of characters like The Riddler. It's not gonna be "my kind of movie" and therefore I'm not excited to or looking forward to it. I confess that I do have big problems with the fact that the project only exists because they decided to throw out something else that would have been great, but I won't go so far as to say it will be a "bad movie", unless it is which I doubt. Just like I don't think most of the MCU movies are "bad movies", they're just not what I like to see. They're very good at doing what they try to do, which is pretty much the opposite of what the DC movies initially tried to do. The difference is in the specific type of critical approach a person takes. There's generally only Two Types of negative opinion: - "This is Bad, therefore I don't like it." And it's similarly-dressed, but completely independent sibling: - "I don't like this, therefore it is Bad." Criticism of the DC movies has always, 99.999% of the time been the latter, and that's a type of "criticism" I simply can't get behind. People didn't like the tone, the color palette, the overall storyline? That's fine, that's allowed. But to say that any of Snyder's DC films were "bad" because of an individual's subjective taste in how he decided to make them... that's questionable. Because they're not "bad movies". They are exceptionally well-crafted to anyone who decides to take them objectively. As I've said, I don't think the MCU movies are "bad movies" either, they're exceptionally well-made, they're just "bad" at giving me the experience I want from a super-hero movie, which is something that the Snyder films provide: Scope, stakes, and gravitas. So while I might not deign to ever watch them, or Pattinson's Batman movie, for my own personal reasons I won't condescend as others have to say that such-and-such is "bad". I've seen enough "bad movies" to know one when I see one, and "This isn't what I wanted" is NOT the same as "This is Bad". So very, very much about what people say is "bad" about those movies simply isn't; it's just not to their tastes, or my favorite, "Here's what I would have done..." or "What super-hero movies SHOULD be like is This..." I wish more people truly understood the difference between those types of "criticism" before they speak. As you said, those who have issues with Snyder's DC movies do generally suck at explaining themselves. I do strongly feel that most of the "criticism" even when it's sincere and thought-out is simply garbage, though. Those movies are held under a totally different microscope than most, for no good reason. Just for fun I like to try and apply some of the same critiques to stuff like the Lord of the Rings trilogy, and as expected those same exact criticisms COULD be made in all seriousness towards that trilogy of films but simply are not. It's kinda funny how that works. It's almost like when people look for stuff to bitch about, or expect not to like something, they find stuff to complain about. "Shocking". You're definitely wrong about people not having preconceived notions about Snyder even before MoS, though. Go back to "Watchmen"; there's never been any middle ground on that one, it's either one of the Top 3 or Bottom 3 comic book movies of all time depending on who you are. Like everything else he's done, a person either really likes or really HATES that movie, and thus when it was announced that he was going to be steering the DC ship beginning with MoS people definitely had opinions. Just today for example, I saw a few comments in various places that were some variant of, "How do I know the Snyder Cut is trash? Because I saw 'Watchmen'." Those lines in the sand were drawn a long, long time ago, and absolutely nobody who picked a side Then is gonna change their opinion Now, no matter what happens.