Official Justice League Movie

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Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

I'd put Justice League on the very bottom. Suicide Squad might be a mess, but it's entertaining with some decent performances. Justice League was just soulless and cobbled together to make money for the top brass, even though it was a shoddy product hamstrung by corporate second-guessing. (And, of course, Snyder's tragic loss.)

I'd generally agree with that. I'd rather watch SS again, if given the choice between the two.

Originally Posted by Leo656

Because of nothing but their own expectations.

A lot of people wanted one version of a thing, and they got something different instead, and instead of focusing on "Hey, this isn't what I expected but it's still good," they got hung up on, "Well, what *I* wanted (or worse, "what *I* would have done...") was this instead..." and that just poisoned the well.

This is nearly verbatim the argument I was making to you in the Pattinson Batman thread last year, about Reeve's film and the character in general. Especially in regards to you wanting the Affleck Batman film instead of the Reeve's one.
I agree that we should be open to interpretation. It's how characters grow and true art flourishes.

The criticism towards Snyder's DC movies is by far some of the all-time worst I've ever seen, especially when most/all of it could be thrown at "certain other super-hero movies", and to a far greater degree, other than the fact that nobody ever seems interested in doing that.

Too much went down because the MCU came first and set the tone for what super-hero movies were "supposed" to be in the eyes of the general public: cartoons. And after that, the entire discussion became about "Why isn't so-and-so more populist?" rather than recognizing that what we got on the DC side was also "good" from an entirely different direction. Even if every single thing had been done exactly the same, except MoS and BvS had come out before Captain America, Iron Man, and Avengers, the worst things anyone would have ever said about the DC movies would have been "Kind of long, a little dark and talky for my kids" and that would be the end of it. Instead they got kicked around for being second to market after another franchise had already convinced everyone that "There's only ONE Right Way to make these movies."

A lot of it may have been subliminal, but that is indeed what happened. A complete inability/refusal for people to collectively see the good in what they were given because it wasn't more like their own preconceived notions about what they "should have gotten" instead. The rest is nitpicky sh*t that can be applied to every movie in general, not just these types.

I agree that the criticism is poor.
In terms of people describing why they don't like Snyder's work for being "too dark" (I think your point on Marvel may have had something to do with this. 'Marvel isn't dark, so that must be what Snyder did wrong') when that likely isn't the issue at all, or people getting hung up on trivial elements that don't perfectly resemble the comics - so what?

Yet, I don't think there was any bias against Snyder's films until the Justice League drama went down. Many people simply didn't like BvS or Man of Steel, and sucked at describing why. The films were given a fair chance to be enjoyed, however.

Once the mythical "Snyder Cut" came into play, lines were formed in the sand.
I'd even say that if you were a believer in the Snyder cut existing, back before it was confirmed, there is a 99% chance you are excited for this movie and a fan on some level. Think about that one for a second.