Is TMNT thriving because all other action cartoons are being canceled?

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Originally Posted by BabyTurtles

I don't know if young justice and gltas are going down (at east not without a fight)

Of course they're going down, and with a bunch of screaming fans too. Spectacular Spider-Man, The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes, and Wolverine and the X-Men were all well-written, intelligent shows, but greedy people running the companies didn't care and flushed them all down the potty.

And even today people mope around, wishing that Spider-Man could have gotten a third season or whatever.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Bauer536

I think Young Justice (even though I wasn't a fan of it) should have not been canceled. So what if the toys don't sell?

Because the people that make these cartoons aren't non-profit organizations. And if you're hoping for long-term, quality shows on an adult level as an adult while looking at shows for little kids... that would be a mistake.

[Berserker]

Originally Posted by TheSkeletonMan939

I'm not sure why these shows are being canceled, but it's probably because toy sales were running low and besides, Cartoon Network treats its shows like horse poop.

I thought the days of toy-driven TV shows were over. I was under the impression video games, phone apps, and online app tie-ins were more lucrative these days.

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by Vegeta

the nick remake is better than all of those cartoons imo.

Good as the Nick show is, that's just B.S form a blind TMNT loyalist. Spectacular and YJ are leauges above it. You'd know that if you actually watched them.

[Jephael]

I really enjoyed Spectacular Spider-Man since there had been quite a few years since the 90s Spidey cartoon was on TV. However, I never could get into Young Justice because I wanted to see more Teen Titans and the Bruce Timm/Paul Dini DC world.

[Ryanator008]

Yu-Gi-Oh Zexal isn't cancelled. Also Power Rangers isn't dying anytime soon.

[Ninjinister]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Good as the Nick show is, that's just B.S form a blind TMNT loyalist. Spectacular and YJ are leauges above it. You'd know that if you actually watched them.

Unless SSM got better in the second season (that I never even knew existed until it was over), I'm going to have to disagree. While the best Spidey series ever, I felt it got way more praise than it deserved.

Originally Posted by Jephael

However, I never could get into Young Justice because I wanted to see more Teen Titans and the Bruce Timm/Paul Dini DC world.

That is an incredibly stupid reason to not want to watch something.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Originally Posted by Berserker

I thought the days of toy-driven TV shows were over. I was under the impression video games, phone apps, and online app tie-ins were more lucrative these days.

Where do you think Nick TMNT gets its money from? Practically no one is going to buy the $60 season on iTunes. I don't see any video games anywhere, nor any apps. Just toys.

[Kidatheart]

I think TMNT will be around for awhile due to the range of age group this seems to be attracting. I'm a father who watches it with his kids and likes the show. I was a big Spider-Man, GI Joe, He-man, Thundercats, etc. fan as a kid and I can tell you that I expose my kids to the re-makes of any of them that come out. They have really only loved one, TMNT 2012. So, just because adult fans are interested and they have a fandom following, that fandom has to be large enough for a decent profit to be made, regardless of how great the writing or artwork is/was. Good writing for adult audiences, doesn't really translate well at times to kids 2-8, which these animated shows are targeted towards by indication of their time slots etc. Now, I'm not a comicon sort of person, not a big fanboy per say, but could the writers of some of these shows that fail perhaps try to broaden their watching ages too much? Perhaps the super fans on sites like these actually influence the writer to make it more adult action driven and little kids don't need to be exposed to heavy action at a young age. As a parent, you see what too much 'action' scenes do to a kid at play time and from talking with other parents, restrictive viewing of action cartoons seems to be a popular trend. Now, I know, there is no blood and guts etc., but to some even the little scenes in TMNT 2012 fulfills this weekly quota. I think TMNT will survive just because of the nostalgia of parents remembering their childhood turtles and watching it along side with their kids.
IME, Toys DO sell in this age bracket by evidence of my living room and bare wallet, so if this demographic doesn't 'get' the show, the show is doomed to fail. The Turtles add a bit of childish comedy to the show and Mikey being the 'party dude' he is, the kids have a character to relate to. Leo being a leader, Raph being the muscle and dealing with anger issues, and Donny being into 'geeky' computer gizmos gives everyone something to enjoy.
As a side note, I was never into GL at all, even as a kid. X-men seems to be more adult orientated now a days, focusing mostly it seems on wolverine, which I collected all his comics as a kid though. I was how ever really disappointed with the cancellation of Thundercats. I did not even see an episode air, it was cancelled in the first season and didn't bother to air up in the North here at all. I have seen a few episodes, and although the setting seems to be dark (it could have used a bit more colour), I would have watched it. My kids didn't love it, they watched it with me, but wasn't asking to watch it again. So, that brings me back to my original point, it seems if the kids don't watch, the show gets cancelled.

[Ryanator008]

Originally Posted by Kidatheart

I think TMNT will be around for awhile due to the range of age group this seems to be attracting. I'm a father who watches it with his kids and likes the show. I was a big Spider-Man, GI Joe, He-man, Thundercats, etc. fan as a kid and I can tell you that I expose my kids to the re-makes of any of them that come out. They have really only loved one, TMNT 2012. So, just because adult fans are interested and they have a fandom following, that fandom has to be large enough for a decent profit to be made, regardless of how great the writing or artwork is/was. Good writing for adult audiences, doesn't really translate well at times to kids 2-8, which these animated shows are targeted towards by indication of their time slots etc. Now, I'm not a comicon sort of person, not a big fanboy per say, but could the writers of some of these shows that fail perhaps try to broaden their watching ages too much? Perhaps the super fans on sites like these actually influence the writer to make it more adult action driven and little kids don't need to be exposed to heavy action at a young age. As a parent, you see what too much 'action' scenes do to a kid at play time and from talking with other parents, restrictive viewing of action cartoons seems to be a popular trend. Now, I know, there is no blood and guts etc., but to some even the little scenes in TMNT 2012 fulfills this weekly quota. I think TMNT will survive just because of the nostalgia of parents remembering their childhood turtles and watching it along side with their kids.
IME, Toys DO sell in this age bracket by evidence of my living room and bare wallet, so if this demographic doesn't 'get' the show, the show is doomed to fail. The Turtles add a bit of childish comedy to the show and Mikey being the 'party dude' he is, the kids have a character to relate to. Leo being a leader, Raph being the muscle and dealing with anger issues, and Donny being into 'geeky' computer gizmos gives everyone something to enjoy.
As a side note, I was never into GL at all, even as a kid. X-men seems to be more adult orientated now a days, focusing mostly it seems on wolverine, which I collected all his comics as a kid though. I was how ever really disappointed with the cancellation of Thundercats. I did not even see an episode air, it was cancelled in the first season and didn't bother to air up in the North here at all. I have seen a few episodes, and although the setting seems to be dark (it could have used a bit more colour), I would have watched it. My kids didn't love it, they watched it with me, but wasn't asking to watch it again. So, that brings me back to my original point, it seems if the kids don't watch, the show gets cancelled.

Good point.

[Drose18]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Does anyone else think the reason all little kids are watching Nick's TMNT is because a lot of other action shows are being canceled?

If you haven't heard the sad news, both Young Justice and Green Lantern are confirmed to be canceled by CN after the remaining episodes air.

Thundercats was canceled after one season. Spectacular Spiderman and Wolverine & the X-men were both canceled after 26 episodes. Avengers ended after 52 episodes.

And the only other superhero show airing with new episodes confirmed is Ultimate Spiderman, which everyone agrees is crap. Other than, "Beware the Batman," there are almost no other action/superhero shows going to be in competition with TMNT for a while.

So to keep count:

1. Young Justice = canceled
2. Green Lantern = canceled
3. Spectacular Spiderman = canceled
4. Wolverine and the X-men = canceled
5. Avengers = canceled
6. Thundercats = canceled

While it makes me sad that all these great superhero shows are being canceled, it makes me wonder if it'll lead to the longevity of Nick's TMNT, because kids will probably want to watch at least one action show instead of all the usual comedies that both CN and Nick go for otherwise.

Its thriving cuz I can GUARANTEE there is not one kid these days who watch super hero shows other than ultimate spiderman and TMNT

[meta ray mek]

I have to be bluntly honest: if it wasn't for GLTAS, I wouldn't have given TMNT a second bat of an eyelash.

Granted, that only happened because of the sudden/forced hiatus for GLTAS and I was left sitting bored out of my skull on Saturday mornings (since I had now found my Saturdays completely free after I got my current job), but the point still stands.

To be honest, I'm not sure why TMNT is succeeding, or at the very least, doing well. I bristle at some of the DC Nation fans blaming/taking their anger out on other shows (and I have seen TMNT caught in the crosshairs at least once), despite the fact TMNT was on a whole hour or so after the DC Nation block, so it's not like it was taking away viewership.

At the very least, I'm thankful TMNT is guaranteed at least one more season. Whether or not Nick still has enough confidence to greenlight a season 3, well... that remains to be seen.

p.s. I'm gutted about GLTAS' cancellation, but not in the least surprised. This IS Cartoon Network. They were the ones who screwed over Sym-Bionic Titan, Thundercats, and Transformers Animated, after all.

[Bauer536]

Like I'm saying, 3 seaons or 4 would be just enough for this series. 100 episodes or so will do.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by Bauer536

Like I'm saying, 3 seaons or 4 would be just enough for this series. 100 episodes or so will do.

No it won't. The TMNT lore is large enough for the series to go on a large number of years, as well as the new ideas Nick comes up with.

We've never had a TMNT cartoon make less than 150 episodes, we should expect the same here.

[Bauer536]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

No it won't. The TMNT lore is large enough for the series to go on a large number of years, as well as the new ideas Nick comes up with.

We've never had a TMNT cartoon make less than 150 episodes, we should expect the same here.

I guess, but I feel it's just your wish of having 200 episodes. No matter what happens, your life won't be ruined if it's at least 100 or 150. I mean, do you really want a lot of seasons for TMNT and not anything else? What if the writing becomes bad, or what if we have another Fast Forward or Back to the Sewers? You see my point here?

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Originally Posted by Bauer536

I guess, but I feel it's just your wish of having 200 episodes. No matter what happens, your life won't be ruined if it's at least 100 or 150. I mean, do you really want a lot of seasons for TMNT and not anything else? What if the writing becomes bad, or what if we have another Fast Forward or Back to the Sewers? You see my point here?

CyberCubed wouldn't care if all the episodes in the future had nothing but Donatello picking his nose. As long as they added up to 200, he'd be happy.

[Drose18]

Originally Posted by Bauer536

Like I'm saying, 3 seaons or 4 would be just enough for this series. 100 episodes or so will do.

No the finish line for a tmnt show is 10 seasons.

[Jephael]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

The TMNT lore is large enough for the series to go on a large number of years, as well as the new ideas Nick comes up with.

We've never had a TMNT cartoon make less than 150 episodes, we should expect the same here.

I swear this same conversation has come up so many times I can feel my eyelids getting whiplash! CyberCubed, I know you like to speculate, but for the love of God could you please live in the moment and quit looking into the distant future?

Originally Posted by TheSkeletonMan939

CyberCubed wouldn't care if all the episodes in the future had nothing but Donatello picking his nose. As long as they added up to 200, he'd be happy.

I can see this show's version of Michelangelo doing that, but not Donnie.

[Cure]

Originally Posted by Jephael

I can see this show's version of Michelangelo doing that, but not Donnie.

Way to miss his point.

[Jephael]

Originally Posted by Cure

Way to miss his point.

I got the point, but I was just pointing out it doesn't sound like something we'd ever see that character doing... unless we got another Turtles Forever type story where they're depicted as moronic goofballs!