Karai=Miwa?

[Shredded]

Karai is Miwa, I suspected that all the way from Episode one, long before Karai had been introduced, and every-thing happening since then just seemed to confirm my suspecions further and further.


If we look at the first episode only. "The Turtles rising."
What made me suspect right there was very simply, Splinter telling he had a wife and daughter. And they both died.

Okay, I can see how the wife is an important plot point here, but why adding the daughter? Teng-shen in herself would be a strong enough point, you don't need any-thing else. Splinter never had a daughter before in any other incarnation, neither did Hamato Yoshi, and the only thing it really adds is more grusome.

Unless.. they intend to use her later. Which means she is still alive. But then, where is she? what character do we got whom is afflicted with the Shredder?
Well, Karai, boom, there ya go.

Also, an essential rule for screen-writing, especially in shows like this where you only have twenty minutes episode to tell a story each. You have to be very economic with what you tell, all must have some-thing to do with the story, no plot point is ever introduced if it doesn't come up later, and well, Splinter having a daughter now, that is a plot point! it will and shall come up later in the show.
Karai is Miwa.


Then Karai shows up, and it just becomes more and more obvious. her calling Shredder Father, her being a truth seaker, always searching for the higher truth while telling the truth herself, Shredder going all.
"Remember what he did to us!"
Meaning, Karai thinks Splinter killed her mother.. yeah, it's more and more obvious the more we move along.

Is it a bad thing that it's so obvious? no, no it isn't, it just means the show creators actually planned ahead and left clues for younger viewers to follow, there's nothing worse than a twist that comes out of no-where and thus makes no sense.
This twist will make sense, cause we all-ready saw it coming.

It is ofcause still a little medi-ocre when we did see it coming.

A perfect twist is any story is when the twist happens, and the entire audience goes. "Oh! that's what happened, now it makes perfect sense!"

Movie, the sixth sense, there were clues enough in it, and the entire movie were about the twist so when it happened, the audience really did go. "Oh now it makes sense, I see!"
J.K. Rowling is also a master of these twists in her potter books, it's always so when you reread the book, all twists were always present, you just were aware of them before you read the reveal, and then when re-reading it makes so much sense.

[Drose18]

Actually didnt splinter say he LOST miwa not she got killed?

[Candy Kappa]

As for now it seems very obvious that Kara is actually Miwa, but I'd love to see otherwise.

It would have been interesting if Shredder had two daughters, he could have had Karai before the fire accident, had her of necessity to maintain a heir to the Clan, but then he kept Yoshi's child who reminds him of Shen and maybe are more of a loving father forwards Miwa instead. I just want to see a Shredder that is just more then "Bwhahaha I'm evil."

[Jephael]

At first I really didn't care much for this idea, but more and more I see her in action, I think it'd make for an interesting twist.

[JoshDA7X]

Having just finished watching the most recent ep, I'd have to say that I think she is indeed Splinter's daughter!

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by JoshDA7X

Having just finished watching the most recent ep, I'd have to say that I think she is indeed Splinter's daughter!

Now that Splinter knows Shredder has a teenage female ninja, I'm surprised he doesn't suspect anything.

[Xav]

Originally Posted by Shark_Blade

Maybe. If anything it's above average kids show, leaning towards M content imo.

Wha? What M rated content? There's no blood, sex, or swearing on the show.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Xav

Wha? What M rated content? There's no blood, sex, or swearing on the show.

I guess the Snakeweed Fatality scene... but then again, monsters and such have always been destroyed in kiddy cartoons and it's no big deal. It's a big deal when humans get destroyed... like if Dr. Falco DIDN'T dodge Leo's sword strikes in 'Monkey Brains' and got hacked up to a bloody mess....

As long as there's no swearing, Karai shower scenes, people being cut up to bloody ribbons ON-SCREEN (not that off screen implied stuff), Purple Dragons trying to rip April's clothes off, and of course, Family Guy style humor, this is still a normal kid's cartoon.

[CyberCubed]

The show is for kids. Nobody will ever get stabbed in the series.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

The show is for kids. Nobody will ever get stabbed in the series.

Kinda what I just said Cybercubed, but yeah sure.

[Ninjawolf]

let's get back on topic guys... if Karai is indeed Miwa It would be pretty twisted... it's the cruelest thing he could do against Splinter... use his own daughter against him

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Ninjawolf

let's get back on topic guys... if Karai is indeed Miwa It would be pretty twisted... it's the cruelest thing he could do against Splinter... use his own daughter against him

Right up Shredder's alley, if ya ask me.

[Shredded]

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

I just want to see a Shredder that is just more then "Bwhahaha I'm evil."

But that is pretty much whom he is isn't it?

Just sir "No one is as evil as me! bwahaha!"

I guess we should leave the conflicted multi dimensional antagonists to the other villains. Karai is that sort of a person, I could see this Stockman also gain more dimensions eventually (poor guy.)
Then we have the purple dragon guy Leo showed mercy to (I forgot his name.)


And yeah, thus far that would be the villains with more dimensions to them than just being evil. But hey, it's a kids show, they can't all be conflicted, and some-times it's actually really nice having a badass villain whom is just evil, makes a nice contrast to the other more conflicted characters, and also serves a moral antagonists as a symbol of evil against the protagonists morals, this time, mainly Splinters morales which seems to be all about "Mercy." and. "All life is precious, so waste not."

In opposed to Shredders. "No Mercy." and. "If you are no use to me, then what are you good for? then I might as well kill you."


And yeah, yeah using Karai, secretly Splinters daughter to destroy Splinter is a very cruel thing. I could just imagine Shredder having caught Splinter and then demand Karai to finish him, that would be straight up Shredders alley.


A friend of mine and me also used this morning to discuss possible ways for Splinter or Karai to figure out the truth, and you know, that's an interesting subject.

I mean, whom is going to figure out first? Splinter or Karai? and how will they react.
Does the turtles find out first, and how would they react?

Leo; What did Splinter ever do to you by the way?

Karai; He killed my mother, Oroku Sakis wife, Teng-shen.

Leo; What?

Mikey; Dude, this is so messed up!


Honestly I can't wait to see how they are going to handle this and how it's going to unfold, there are so many possibilities.

[Cure]

Originally Posted by Shark_Blade

Maybe. If anything it's above average kids show, leaning towards M content imo.

Hahaha, oh my God. You're a crazy person.

[Shark_Blade]

As I said I felt it leans towards M but not necessarily M. More as T rating.

Originally Posted by Cure

Hahaha, oh my God. You're a crazy person.

Go **** yourself road runner.

Originally Posted by Shredded

A friend of mine and me also used this morning to discuss possible ways for Splinter or Karai to figure out the truth, and you know, that's an interesting subject.

I mean, whom is going to figure out first? Splinter or Karai? and how will they react.
Does the turtles find out first, and how would they react?

Leo; What did Splinter ever do to you by the way?

Karai; He killed my mother, Oroku Sakis wife, Teng-shen.

Leo; What?

Mikey; Dude, this is so messed up!


Honestly I can't wait to see how they are going to handle this and how it's going to unfold, there are so many possibilities.

I figure as much. Karai will open up and finally get the true story of her past. Will she stick with the turtles or Shredder after that? If its with Shredder, she knows she's fighting the wrong side. If its with the turtles, she will have to face his "father".

Maybe it's best for her to drop everything and just leave then.

[Cure]

Originally Posted by Shark_Blade

As I said I felt it leans towards M but not necessarily M. More as T rating.

Still completely nuts!

[Zulithe]

Originally Posted by Shredded

I mean, whom is going to figure out first? Splinter or Karai? and how will they react.
Does the turtles find out first, and how would they react?

Just knowing that Shredder has a teenage female Japanese ninja under his employ must be enough to arise suspicion... especially from splinter, who should at least be considering possibilities like this... but yeah, it's a kid's show, that's really the only answer to these sorts of questions... lol

[Shredded]

Originally Posted by Zulithe

Just knowing that Shredder has a teenage female Japanese ninja under his employ must be enough to arise suspicion... especially from splinter, who should at least be considering possibilities like this... but yeah, it's a kid's show, that's really the only answer to these sorts of questions... lol

I don't see how Shredder merely having a teenage girl in his employe makes any difference.

There are tons of teenage girls out there, it doesn't mean any-thing.

How-ever, that she claims to be Shredders daughter does! and that could be the moment Splinters suspecions could be rised, could go some-thing like this.

"Oroku Sakis Daughter?"

"Yeah."

"How old is she supposed to be?"

"Urh.. 17-18 I guess. Why does that matter?"

"I left Japan sixteen years ago, at that time did Oroku Saki not have any child nor wife."

"But how is karai then possible?"

"How indeed."

Is that confirmation that she is Miwa? No, not really, it isn't.

How-ever, the exact moment she tells just one of our protagonists.
"Splinter killed my mother." the gig will be up, that will be the dead give-away. It's a piece of information that would make the turtles and Splinter grow suspecious, even if Karai doesn't know it.

[Yorae]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

The show is for kids. Nobody will ever get stabbed in the series.

Leo did stab Raph in the shell in Rise of the Turtles, if that counts for anything.

[snake]

Originally Posted by Shark_Blade

Go **** yourself road runner.
.

But seriously, I agree with cure.