Michael Bay Says "We're Not" Making The Turtles Aliens & That Its "The Ooze"

[Olmosa]

I honestly think Michael Bay had intended for the Turtles to be of "Alien origin" and bring them from another planet, but I'm sure Paramount breathing down his neck about the thousands of people online complaining didn't really reassure them that this movie could be a success! I think he's just trying to pull the wool over our eyes now and make it seem like this whole time he's been 'misquoted'. He's not passionate about the movies be makes, he's passionate about the money he makes.

[The Stryker]

Originally Posted by Olmosa

I honestly think Michael Bay had intended for the Turtles to be of "Alien origin" and bring them from another planet, but I'm sure Paramount breathing down his neck about the thousands of people online complaining didn't really reassure them that this movie could be a success! I think he's just trying to pull the wool over our eyes now and make it seem like this whole time he's been 'misquoted'. He's not passionate about the movies be makes, he's passionate about the money he makes.

I doubt the movie studio or Michael Bay give a crap about fans complaining.

Fans complained about Transformers and they made millions on those. Three times.

[CyberCubed]

I still think Will Arnett might be playing Krang. Its not like Krang needs a height requirement.

[Powder]

Originally Posted by Olmosa

I honestly think Michael Bay had intended-.

He's a producer, God damn it. His intentions are null.

[chrisdude]

Originally Posted by Olmosa

I honestly think Michael Bay had intended for the Turtles to be of "Alien origin" and bring them from another planet, but I'm sure Paramount breathing down his neck about the thousands of people online complaining didn't really reassure them that this movie could be a success! I think he's just trying to pull the wool over our eyes now and make it seem like this whole time he's been 'misquoted'. He's not passionate about the movies be makes, he's passionate about the money he makes.

We know exactly what intentions were, the script leaked. There's no question about that. And yes, he's definitely trying to spin this like a misunderstanding.
But I don't think it's a big deal, in terms of a marketable movie. I'm not willing to bet Paramount wants changes.

[Cipher]

Originally Posted by Powder

He's a producer, God damn it. His intentions are null.

To be fair, while people all over the Web are blowing up his involvement, that's not true at all. Especially in a studio-driven film like this, he's one of a number of parties who have fairly substantial sway over its direction.

This seems like a situation where the actual director is going to be toward the bottom of the totem pole as far as creative control.

[zodiac brave]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Why would they make Shredder into an entirely different character?

This is one of the most iconic comic book villains of all time. They would be shooting themselves in the foot.

because it's an entirely different movie/version of the story. and as a fan, of course i think he's awesome, but "most iconic comic book villain of all time"? hardly. first off, most people remember the ot version more than any other and secondly, in the comics, he dies IN THE FIRST ISSUE. hardly iconic, by any sensible, widely-accepted, objective and/or non-cybercubed definition of the word.

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Krang was in the leaked script.

How do you know Krang isn't being used?

i went back and re-read it. you're right. he is in the script. i guess all the other crap overshadowed it. either way, it's obvious he's being used in a different way, anyways.

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Yes but now the alien issue is over and people can focus on Shredder.

It might as well be a new character entirely instead of Shredder.

so, you're really just looking for something, ANYTHING to bitch about.

and it is a new character. new name, new design, NEW CHARACTER. stupid? maybe. unnecessary? debatable. shredder? NO.

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

His name is based on Shredder because the "real" Shredder isn't in the movie. He and the Foot Clan have been replaced by bizarre substitutes that make no sense.

at this point i imagine your brain functions represented as a square peg repeatedly trying to jam itself into a round hole. over and over and over...

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

But it makes no sense not to use Shredder but use some weird sounding name and change it to a totally different character.

and over and over and over...

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Not sure how they plan to tie this into Splinter's/Yoshi's backstory either if they don't go the Japanese route. The Turtles/Splinter's ties to Shredder and the Foot is the whole backbone of the origin story in every incarnation.

they might not and ABSOLUTELY DONT HAVE TO.

christ.

[jenna]

Originally Posted by chrisdude

Just like Dark Knight Rises

Spoiler:

I didn't hear anybody saying, "Why'd they make Robin into a cop? He's supposed to be an acrobat! He doesn't have have Robin's backstory! Why did they name him Robin instead of Dick Grayson!"
No. Because everyone understood that naming him Robin was just a nod, not a revamped character.

This is an example of how flexible / forgiving fans will be if the material is handled with quality.

Christopher Nolan's take on most Batman characters has a unique spin, but they were all really well thought out and performed. And by the time Bane, Catwoman and 'Robin' were in the picture, most people trusted Nolan with the material because of the outstanding job he'd done on the previous two films.

If Christopher Nolan was involved with Ninja Turtles, I'd be thrilled. I'd sit back and wait excitedly, Col Schrader and all because Nolan delivers on quality every time.

Bay et al have a sketchier record in the quality department.... some hits, some misses.

Who knows, they may deliver an AMAZING film. We'll have a verdict in June next year.

[Xav]

Originally Posted by zodiac brave

because it's an entirely different movie/version of the story. and as a fan, of course i think he's awesome, but "most iconic comic book villain of all time"? hardly. first off, most people remember the ot version more than any other and secondly, in the comics, he dies IN THE FIRST ISSUE. hardly iconic, by any sensible, widely-accepted, objective and/or non-cybercubed definition of the word.



i went back and re-read it. you're right. he is in the script. i guess all the other crap overshadowed it. either way, it's obvious he's being used in a different way, anyways.



so, you're really just looking for something, ANYTHING to bitch about.

and it is a new character. new name, new design, NEW CHARACTER. stupid? maybe. unnecessary? debatable. shredder? NO.

IGN rated him as the 39th greatest comic book villain of all time. Not too bad.
http://comics.ign.com/top-100-villains/39.html

Mike calls him Shredder in the movie, he has blades coming out of his body, he fights with claw blades, his minions are called "The Foot", he works for Krang, and his top two henchmen are Bebop and Rocksteady. While he may be a new character he certainly sounds like he's meant to be a replacement for Shredder. Which means we won't get Shredder in the movie.

[Cipher]

Originally Posted by Xav

Mike calls him Shredder in the movie, he has blades coming out of his body, he fights with claw blades, his minions are called "The Foot", he works for Krang, and his top two henchmen are Bebop and Rocksteady. While he may be a new character he certainly sounds like he's meant to be a replacement for Shredder. Which means we won't get Shredder in the movie.

This is the first time I've actually seen a summary of "Schrader's" role in that leaked script.

I'm ... honestly okay with that. That's actually a lot closer to your basic Shredder than I was expecting. If you're going to go crazy, at least go big. If they're going for an over-the-top, Fred-Wolf 'toon meets Michael Bay tone, then yeah, Schrader all the way.

That's actually the kind of stupid-but-fun re-imagining that could make this movie work in a stupid-but-fun way for me, which, from all indications, is about as good as we can hope for.

[zodiac brave]

Originally Posted by Xav

IGN rated him as the 39th greatest comic book villain of all time. Not too bad.
http://comics.ign.com/top-100-villains/39.html

Mike calls him Shredder in the movie, he has blades coming out of his body, he fights with claw blades, his minions are called "The Foot", he works for Krang, and his top two henchmen are Bebop and Rocksteady. While he may be a new character he certainly sounds like he's meant to be a replacement for Shredder. Which means we won't get Shredder in the movie.

good for ign, i guess. i still wouldn't call him "iconic".

and those are nods to the original, since this is obviously based on a character with a lot of history, but its also all superficial. the role he fills in the story, how he's used to propel the drama and his basic overall function as villain is way different than anything we've ever seen.

we can all agree theres a line that could be towed that many of us would like respected, and i think we can all agree that, whether we like or dislike the changes to this version, this "line-towing" is not really being done gracefully.

i've said before that i could care less about changes as long as the overall story is done well and that i don't believe it is being done well. but to constantly bitch about how things aren't the same as they always have been, without even giving it an objective thought or appreciating that it's a new thing on its own is just, quite plainly, dumb.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by Cipher

This is the first time I've actually seen a summary of "Schrader's" role in that leaked script.

I'm ... honestly okay with that. That's actually a lot closer to your basic Shredder than I was expecting. If you're going to go crazy, at least go big. If they're going for an over-the-top, Fred-Wolf 'toon meets Michael Bay tone, then yeah, Schrader all the way.

That's actually the kind of stupid-but-fun re-imagining that could make this movie work in a stupid-but-fun way for me, which, from all indications, is about as good as we can hope for.

But what they're doing to Shredder is asinine and makes no sense. He's one of the most loved and iconic comic/cartoon villains of all time.

Even the 4kids series kept his armor/Oroku Saki person despite the fact that he was an Utrom.

[zodiac brave]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

He's one of the most loved and iconic comic/cartoon villains of all time.

really??? i don't think you know what being "iconic" entails...

[Cipher]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

But what they're doing to Shredder is asinine and makes no sense. He's one of the most loved and iconic comic/cartoon villains of all time.

Even the 4kids series kept his armor/Oroku Saki person despite the fact that he was an Utrom.

To be quite honest, I've never really given two sh*ts about Shredder as anything other than a plot element, so there's that.

But if an over-the-top re-imagining like "Schrader" is more in line with what this film is aiming for, I'd rather they go for it. At least that's something new and ridiculous, rather than just being another kind of boring, bastardized not-quite-right adaptation.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by Cipher

To be quite honest, I've never really given two sh*ts about Shredder as anything other than a plot element, so there's that.

But if an over-the-top re-imagining like "Schader" is more in line with what this film is aiming for, I'd rather they go for it. At least that's something new and ridiculous, rather than just being another kind of boring, bastardized not-quite-right adaptation.

Well it's basically changing a character to something almost unrecognizable.

Outside of Mirage, Shredder has always been a character people wanted to see again and again. Hence why IDW didn't kill him off either.

As for zodiac, saying Shredder isn't iconic and incredibly popular is ridiculous. He's definitely brought up every time people talk about their favorite cartoon or comic villains.

[zodiac brave]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

As for zodiac, saying Shredder isn't iconic and incredibly popular is ridiculous. He's definitely brought up every time people talk about their favorite cartoon or comic villains.

IF THEY LIKE TMNT.

the way you're saying his iconic or popular state is, is exaggeration to the point of blind (probably un-self-aware) hyperbole.

a character like the joker is iconic.

a character like the shredder is not.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by zodiac brave

IF THEY LIKE TMNT.

the way you're saying his iconic or popular state is, is exaggeration to the point of blind (probably un-self-aware) hyperbole.

a character like the joker is iconic.

a character like the shredder is not.

You're really underestimating the TMNT franchise given how well known its been for nearly 30 years.

Even comic book people who don't follow the TMNT franchise can name the turtles and know who Shredder and April and Splinter are. The same way I can name a lot of DC and Marvel villains despite not owning any comics of those two series.

[chrisdude]

Originally Posted by Xav

IGN rated him as the 39th greatest comic book villain of all time. Not too bad.
http://comics.ign.com/top-100-villains/39.html

Mike calls him Shredder in the movie, he has blades coming out of his body, he fights with claw blades, his minions are called "The Foot", he works for Krang, and his top two henchmen are Bebop and Rocksteady. While he may be a new character he certainly sounds like he's meant to be a replacement for Shredder. Which means we won't get Shredder in the movie.

35: Gorilla Grodd
36: Vandal Savage
37: Zoom
38: Sentinel
39: Shredder
40: Barron Zemo II

Seated among royalty.

[zodiac brave]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

You're really underestimating the TMNT franchise given how well known its been for nearly 30 years.

Even comic book people who don't follow the TMNT franchise can name the turtles and know who Shredder and April and Splinter are. The same way I can name a lot of DC and Marvel villains despite not owning any comics of those two series.

a lot of people know who solomon grundy or space ghost are. doesn't make em iconic.

you're overestimating it because you're a fanboy. and i mean "fanboy" in the most derogatory sense of the term.

Originally Posted by chrisdude

35: Gorilla Grodd
36: Vandal Savage
37: Zoom
38: Sentinel
39: Shredder
40: Barron Zemo II

Seated among royalty.

that's what im sayin! psh! "IGN"...

[Cure]

I'm with Cipher. Either go all the way or not at all.