Michael Bay Says "We're Not" Making The Turtles Aliens & That Its "The Ooze"

[liugeaux]

Originally Posted by 1984TMNT

Your endless complaining about things that haven't even yet come to pass is the worst thing imaginable.

LOL

Yeah, a white shredder isn't ideal but I could get behind it is the actor was good enough.

Last year when the internet collectively crapped their pants over the alien thing I said that Michael Bay is just an idiot and didn't understand the script he had signed off on and that it was probably the ooze he was talking about.

The worst part is that the extreme negative press this movie has gotten has basically doomed it to bomb Battleship style, regardless of actual quality.

[Xav]

Originally Posted by zodiac brave

i've said before that i could care less about changes as long as the overall story is done well and that i don't believe it is being done well. but to constantly bitch about how things aren't the same as they always have been, without even giving it an objective thought or appreciating that it's a new thing on its own is just, quite plainly, dumb.

I can accept change, and I know it's it's own thing. I just don't like the idea of the "Ninja"Turtles not actually fighting ninjas, or Shredder and the Foot not actually being ninjas. Look, I think they should've made him a different character or just made him Shredder. Right now we have a character who's name sounds like Shredder, has some elements of Shredder, but really isn't Shredder. If they say made him a Japanese Colonel "Saki" whose nickname was "Shredder", and was secretly an Utrom, the same race as Krang, instead of just some random alien, than at least than he would be somewhat similar to the 2k3 Shredder.

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

Guys, with the descision to make them mutants, it's obvious there have been changes to the script. Odds are, we'll be seeing good old Shredder instead of Schrader come film release.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by Panda_Kahn_fan

Guys, with the descision to make them mutants, it's obvious there have been changes to the script. Odds are, we'll be seeing good old Shredder instead of Schrader come film release.

But Will Arnett might be Shredder so he's already ruined by being whitewashed from a Japanese man.

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

But Will Arnett might be Shredder so he's already ruined by being whitewashed from a Japanese man.

Until I see where it's said offically somewhere that he is playing Shredder, I'm not buying it. People have made quite a leap from the announcwment of him playing a major role to 'he's the Shredder'.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by Panda_Kahn_fan

Until I see where it's said offically somewhere that he is playing Shredder, I'm not buying it. People have made quite a leap from the announcwment of him playing a major role to 'he's the Shredder'.

1. We don't have a well built Japanese man cast which is worrisome.

2. There aren't that many other characters for Arnett to play unless he's Krang.

[chrisdude]

And again, Shredder's backstory is heavily tied to Splinter's. And considering how that story is non-existent in the leaked script, and Splinter's backstory is 100% different from every other one, changing Schrader to Shredder would be a heavy, HEAVY rewrite. As in, you might as well throw out the script. And everything known about the filming, so far, points to elements of that script remaining. But folks on here keep talking about it like, "Oh, I'm sure they switched him to Shredder." It would not be an easy change to make.

[Cipher]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

2. There aren't that many other characters for Arnett to play unless he's Krang.

Ooooooooooohmygod I could get behind that casting.

[zodiac brave]

Originally Posted by Xav

I can accept change, and I know it's it's own thing. I just don't like the idea of the "Ninja"Turtles not actually fighting ninjas, or Shredder and the Foot not actually being ninjas.

fo real, bruh? that means the turtles are ninjas, not that they fight ninjas. and they are. they are turtles who are ninjas that fight soldiers.

Originally Posted by Xav

Look, I think they should've made him a different character or just made him Shredder. Right now we have a character who's name sounds like Shredder, has some elements of Shredder, but really isn't Shredder. If they say made him a Japanese Colonel "Saki" whose nickname was "Shredder", and was secretly an Utrom, the same race as Krang, instead of just some random alien, than at least than he would be somewhat similar to the 2k3 Shredder.

you started your post with "I can accept change, and I know it's it's own thing." and ended it with "at least than he would be somewhat similar to the 2k3 Shredder."

i need say nothing further.

[Welmanshire]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

But Will Arnett might be Shredder so he's already ruined by being whitewashed from a Japanese man.

Haha Will Arnett *MIGHT* be Shredder so he's *ALREADY RUINED*

Listen to yourself. The level of assumption amazes me. Really.

[Vivi]

I have a feeling this movie is going to be campy. On purpose.

[Welmanshire]

Originally Posted by Vivi

I have a feeling this movie is going to be campy. On purpose.

I don't know about campy. But I want humor. I do hope they take note of films from Marvel, The Avengers and Iron Man 3 have the right kind of combination of humor, plot and action that would work so well for a Turtles film.

[Welmanshire]

Sorry to double post, but here is what Peter Laird had to say yesterday about Bays latest comments: http://tinyurl.com/cpdwcqn

"If memory serves, Mr. Bay said some months ago that in the new movie, "these Turtles are from an alien race". That's a pretty straightforward comment which I think anyone could reasonably take to mean that the Turtles in the movie Mr. Bay is producing will not be mutated Earth turtles, as in the first twenty-five years of the property's history, but Turtles from an alien race of Turtles. I believe that the script which made its way onto the Internet also made it quite clear that -- at least at some early point in this movie's development -- the Turtles were, in fact, to be alien Turtles from a race of alien Turtles. Taken together, I think that's fairly good evidence of the intention to make the Turtles aliens.

If that was NOT in fact Mr. Bay's intent, he could have easily corrected this misapprehension months ago, instead of letting it go on this long. I suspect in part that might be due to the fact that he probably has a lot more pressing things on his plate, and this was of minor importance. I can't say for sure because I don't know him, and I have nothing to do with this new movie. I am grateful for the clarification, because -- as I pointed out in an earlier blog post -- I thought the idea of making the Turtles aliens was creatively bankrupt.

That's not to say that there might not be a really great story to be told about a race of anthropomorphic alien turtles -- just that it seemed to me to be a totally pointless exercise to change the TMNT origin story in this way.

Now, I suppose one could kind of maybe sort of wiggle out of that original statement by claiming that the ooze which mutated the Turtles and Splinter in the original comics was created by the Utroms, who are aliens, so… well, the ooze was FROM them, see… and THEY are an alien race… and… and…

It's either total spin now, or a colossally inept articulation in the original statement, in my opinion. Regardless, I think all TMNT fans should be happy that this issue has finally been clarified.

For now. -- PL"

[Xav]

Originally Posted by The Stryker

God forbid we have gays in the movie. How offensive an idea.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onHtoKkGaoE

Originally Posted by zodiac brave

fo real, bruh? that means the turtles are ninjas, not that they fight ninjas. and they are. they are turtles who are ninjas that fight soldiers.



you started your post with "I can accept change, and I know it's it's own thing." and ended it with "at least than he would be somewhat similar to the 2k3 Shredder."

i need say nothing further.

Yes, I know the Turtles don't always fight ninjas, but I like it when they do. Like I said I can accept some changes, like the April/Casey stuff doesn't bother me that much. But I don't like the changes made to Shredder. They changed him so much they might as well made him a new character. Yes, I know you said he is but he clearly seems like a replacement for Shredder.

[JoshDA7X]

Originally Posted by The Stryker

Know what? Michael Bay?

Cast The Rock as Shredder. That would be amazing. No joke.

No way! they should cast him as Bebop, and maybe say John Cena as Rocksteady, just to see people get their panties in a twist!

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

Originally Posted by chrisdude

And again, Shredder's backstory is heavily tied to Splinter's. And considering how that story is non-existent in the leaked script, and Splinter's backstory is 100% different from every other one, changing Schrader to Shredder would be a heavy, HEAVY rewrite. As in, you might as well throw out the script. And everything known about the filming, so far, points to elements of that script remaining. But folks on here keep talking about it like, "Oh, I'm sure they switched him to Shredder." It would not be an easy change to make.

No offense or insult meant here chrisdude, but weren't you the one telling me in another thread, when I brought up them leaving out the alien aspect and keeping the rest of the script, you were of the opinion that the alien part was too integral to the plot and couldn't be changed without totally rewriting the script. Now, it appears that aspect has been changed, and your insisting that they have not only kept the rest of the script unaltered, but youu're certain that there's no way they'd dump Scrader for Shredder?

I'm sorry to say this, but I do think the screenwriter intended for the Schrader to be a radical re-imaging of Shredder, not a new character who is a homage. And I also think it's possible Schrader is history.

[ryukenden]

Glad the alien part is cleared up. Humor is fine as long as it's not on the level of a certain pair of twins from Revenge of the Fallen.

[chrisdude]

Originally Posted by Panda_Kahn_fan

No offense or insult meant here chrisdude, but weren't you the one telling me in another thread, when I brought up them leaving out the alien aspect and keeping the rest of the script, you were of the opinion that the alien part was too integral to the plot and couldn't be changed without totally rewriting the script. Now, it appears that aspect has been changed, and your insisting that they have not only kept the rest of the script unaltered, but youu're certain that there's no way they'd dump Scrader for Shredder?

I'm sorry to say this, but I do think the screenwriter intended for the Schrader to be a radical re-imaging of Shredder, not a new character who is a homage. And I also think it's possible Schrader is history.

No offense taken. You're right to point it out.

I said the alien thing was too big a part of the story to just get swapped out without rewriting the movie. And I did not expect them to change it.
And I also said here that the Shredder's story is a huge thing to add in, because Schrader, as he was written, had no history with Splinter.

And you're right. If they did dump the alien origin business, then by my own logic, everything else would be subject to change. I suppose I didn't think that through.

[Bob]

If the Turtles aren’t full-on aliens anymore (which I still doubt), then the script would have gone through a (very) heavy rewrite. Reason being, the whole alien reveal was more or less the plot of the film. It just makes you wonder how much it’s been rewritten.

[TheBlueTurtle1]

Originally Posted by Bob

If the Turtles aren’t full-on aliens anymore (which I still doubt), then the script would have gone through a (very) heavy rewrite. Reason being, the whole alien reveal was more or less the plot of the film. It just makes you wonder how much it’s been rewritten.

Hopefully the whole alien script was rewritten.