Am I the only one who thinks these were two of the worst episodes of the OT?

[Type 97 Chi-ha]

Originally Posted by ThatCollectorGuy

How is no one saying "Raphael Knocks 'em Dead?" That was the absolute WORST episode!!

And any episode involving Zach is a bad one. End of story.

Others have mentioned this episode, and if not the absolute worst, it was a definite stinker.

I didn't like Zach either, though I did like how he was able to track the Turtles to their lair so easily when all the serious villains couldn't.

[Aaronardo]

Originally Posted by Type 97 Chi-ha

Others have mentioned this episode, and if not the absolute worst, it was a definite stinker.

I didn't like Zach either, though I did like how he was able to track the Turtles to their lair so easily when all the serious villains couldn't.

Hell, if not "Knocks 'Em Dead", Mr. Ogg, like Jester said o_o

[cammy85]

I dunno, I've grown to like that Raphael episode. Maybebe because I like stand up comedians and Pinky McFingers as a villain. This wasn't his best appearance but I still liked it. it was also one of the few episodes to not feature a scientist as the main antagonist, but rather a sidekick of Pinky's.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by ThatCollectorGuy

And any episode involving Zach is a bad one. End of story.

Zach was in, "Shredderville," and "Night of the Rogues," so no, not all Zach eps are bad.

In fact most of Zach's episodes tend to be good, like the Wingnut/Screwloose episode or, "Bebop and Rocksteady conquer the universe" with their fear gun.

Unless you meant episodes primarily about Zach, not ones he just happened to guest star in.

[Jester]

Originally Posted by cammy85

I dunno, I've grown to like that Raphael episode. Maybebe because I like stand up comedians and Pinky McFingers as a villain. This wasn't his best appearance but I still liked it. it was also one of the few episodes to not feature a scientist as the main antagonist, but rather a sidekick of Pinky's.

But...Barney Stockman....

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by Jester

But...Barney Stockman....

That was the best part of the episode.

[cammy85]

Originally Posted by Jester

But...Barney Stockman....

I may have worded my post wrong. Yes, the awesome Barney Stockman was Pinky's sidekick in this episode. I could say more about Pinky but that's for another topic.

[Jester]

Originally Posted by cammy85

I may have worded my post wrong. Yes, the awesome Barney Stockman was Pinky's sidekick in this episode. I could say more about Pinky but that's for another topic.

No I read the post wrong...entirely missing the "as a sidekick."

[cammy85]

All good. I was going to mention Barney originally but I didn't.

[oldmanwinters]

Originally Posted by Leo656

That kid definitely would'a gotten his ass kicked a ton walking around dressed like that and calling himself the "Fifth Turtle". Especially once he got to high school! (Although I read on Wikipedia that Zach and Caitlyn were about 14, so that's even worse, if true)

I swear, Zach has untapped villain potential, especially since he mostly disappeared after a while and wasn't really seen or mentioned again. I would so buy it if Zach returned as a villain years later after he was "abandoned" by the Turtles after so many years being devoted to them. Add Bonus Points if he tried to hook up with Caitlyn, only to be rejected for a studlier, non-Ninja Turtle-obsessing football player, as high school chicks often do when their "best friend" types try and score with them. Nerdy kid + crushed devotion + unrequited love = Mucho Super-Villain! And he'd know ALL their secrets, and even their lair! Zach is a huge hole in the story, and I think I just plugged it.

Nick and IDW, feel free to make the check out to "Cash".

I'll try to remember this if I ever continue my "OMW Adventure Series" of fan comics!

And I'll certainly give you credit for the idea.

[Pterobat]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

That was the best part of the episode.

Eh, where were all you guys when I brought this up a few posts ago?

Once again, tho' Barney Stockman is a one-note joke, the idea of him is twisted and interesting in a way, and also funny. I find it hilarious that Baxter's own brother apparently hates his guts, and is also completely out of his gourd.

I also have to say, though, that "Raphael Knocks 'Em Dead" still makes me cringe. The jokes are just so bad, and, y'know, I prefer Fred Wolf Raphael as a sarcastic jackass, and not the merry prankster that some later episodes tried to paint him as.

[oldmanwinters]

Originally Posted by Pterobat

I also have to say, though, that "Raphael Knocks 'Em Dead" still makes me cringe. The jokes are just so bad, and, y'know, I prefer Fred Wolf Raphael as a sarcastic jackass, and not the merry prankster that some later episodes tried to paint him as.

Yeah, it ain't good...

But it's also been a while since I've watched it. I wonder if I will find it to be better or worse than my low expectations.

[cammy85]

Originally Posted by oldmanwinters

Yeah, it ain't good...

But it's also been a while since I've watched it. I wonder if I will find it to be better or worse than my low expectations.

It's all Shecky's fault.

[Jester]

Of Arimathea?

[Pterobat]

Yeah, more's the pity that that episode sucks, because Rob Paulsen on his own is a very very funny man.

Talkin' Toons represent.

(Also, he uses a clips from "Raphael Knocks 'Em Dead" in the intro to that podcast)

[cammy85]

That was like the first Turtle-centered episode I watched once I got the DVDs. Better than I remembered anyways because, yeah, Pinky was bland in this episode.

[ssjup81]

Originally Posted by ThatCollectorGuy

How is no one saying "Raphael Knocks 'em Dead?" That was the absolute WORST episode!!

And any episode involving Zach is a bad one. End of story.

Probably because it was purposely intended to be bad.

[Pterobat]

Originally Posted by ssjup81

Probably because it was purposely intended to be bad.

Eh...I'm not sure. I'm as certain as you can be with [citation needed] that the jokes told by the characters in the episode were supposed to be funny-bad, but "supposed to be bad" isn't a free pass. If it doesn't work, it doesn't work.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by Pterobat

Eh...I'm not sure. I'm as certain as you can be with [citation needed] that the jokes told by the characters in the episode were supposed to be funny-bad, but "supposed to be bad" isn't a free pass. If it doesn't work, it doesn't work.

I think they probably were though, because some of the humor in this show is genuinely funny, especially Raph's sarcasm or Shredder/Krang's banter. And in the same episode, Barney getting upset about mixing up with his brother made me laugh.

Even the jokes from those other two comedian guys who were kidnapped with Raphael had horrid jokes too. So I guess it was intentionally supposed to be bad...

[Pterobat]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

I think they probably were though, because some of the humor in this show is genuinely funny, especially Raph's sarcasm or Shredder/Krang's banter. And in the same episode, Barney getting upset about mixing up with his brother made me laugh.

Even the jokes from those other two comedian guys who were kidnapped with Raphael had horrid jokes too. So I guess it was intentionally supposed to be bad...

Er, that's not what I said.

Of course the OT is funny when it works; I love it when it does. But I'm saying that "it was supposed to be bad" is often the rallying cry of someone whose work doesn't succeed. Even if it was "supposed to be bad", if it turns out to be annoying and grating, the thing has failed.