What do you think the turtles will look like?

[John Pannozzi]

Originally Posted by Jester

New Line did make the 90's movies, but there was a proposed Troma flick (I wanna say it would have costumes similar to Kunchabunga's avatar), that Kevin and Peter turned down.

Actually it was New World Pictures (after Roger Corman sold it, but before it bought Marvel).

[CansecoBat]

Originally Posted by Slime State Alumni

Well I wish you had said that earlier. It's all so clear now.

Same thought I had, bud.



Film students think they know everything about film.

I guessed it when he went on his "let me inform you" condescending rant, propping up atrocious and totally unbelievable CGI in movies.

When I personally feel like everyone knows practicality with CGI enhancements is the way to make things feel most plausible visually for audience immersion.

[Teal Turtle]

Can we try and get back on topic guys....

[BODYCOUNT]

Originally Posted by CansecoBat

They're puppets because you know they are. The rubber suits and animatronics in the 1990 film are near flawless and they still hold up quite admirably today. There is an inherent weight, dimension, and physicality to them that CGI doesn't hold a candle to in all honesty.

The pictures you posted of CGI created image are one still, that took a lot of time on. Not 4 or 5 characters in every scene of a movie. That attention to detail cannot be maintained over a whole production, with strict budget and time constraints.

There was maybe one or two slip ups, max in the 1990 film when it came to the puppetry and the voice over. Beyond that, everyone I know comments on how they look so real and believable in that movie.

The script for the 1990 film was a beautiful thing, but it really was Jim Henson that made the film work. If those turtles didn't look real, and plausible ... the entire film doesn't work.

I still firmly believe suits are the way to go. CGI is constantly being improved upon. So much so that if you go with a strictly computer generated image (which always are obviously fake to the human eye), the technology progresses so much year to year. What works in 2012, may look really cartoony and fake in just 3 - 4 years.

Look what happened to Raimi's CGI fest Spider-Man films. They look fake as hell. Even the 3rd one which just came out 5 to 6 years ago in 2007. That's why the Webb series went with a practical stunt man as much as they could. There is actual weight and physics there that human eye detects as real.

Practicality is the way to go, all the best film makers go the practical route. It creates the best immersion. Or at the very least, a combination of practicality and CGI that blend together.

I'm hoping the entire CGI works on this film, but there are even moments in the Transformer films where I feel the weightless / cartoony feel to the image on screen.

I bet if you took a poll, most would feel the 1990 costumes will be visually more palatable and plausible than the 2014 CGI turtles.

Oh and as for the picture I posted ... that absolutely looks like a turtle. Very realistic looking, and tons of character in the face. As for aesthetically pleasing? That's subjective to begin with.

The 1990 turtles weren't "pretty" or aesthetically pleasing. If anything I want them to be gritty, with character and nuance. The turtles don't need to be models, or sexy.

This ish right here

[Welmanshire]

Originally Posted by omnimorphic

Really? This?

Followed by "I personally feel like everyone knows..."? And I'm condescending?

I wasn't underscoring the importance of my major, but sure, feel free to keep cherry picking from my argument.

Edit and mutli quote. Learn them. Use them.

[Welmanshire]

Originally Posted by omnimorphic

What do you mean?

Using multi quote, you can select different comments and reply to them all in one post. Double posting is considered bad etiquette in most forums.

[the fixer]

I hope they'll show us at least a teaser image... like a Turtle standing in shadow... SOMETHING... soon...

I can't wrap my head around those old pictures of the mocap actors wearing these white balls on sticks on their heads for fellow actors' eyelines... Their eyes seem pretty high...

Spoiler:

[IMG][/IMG]

At first i thought their heads would be darn big for some reason .... but then those pictures of disguised Raph clearly contradict that. He wears his sunglasses pretty high up too though.

Spoiler:

I can kind of picture a real turtle head in there. Not really the big round heads we've seen over the years in different screen depictions of the Turtles.

I really think this version of the Turtles will be totally different from what we've seen up until know in Turtle lore. More different than most fans prolly expect. I think Bay really wants to make his mark and differentiate his Turtles more than ever from all other iterations. He wants to do something completely different and shake the Turtle universe up good. The drastic change of Shredder already proves that.
Oh well. That's SO Hollywood...

Ayway.. None of this is new of course. I just think that we should get ready to be rumbled. Just prepare to the fact that we'll probably not like the amount of change that'll be presented to us... Most of us being nostalgics- we don't like change anyway...

I just hope we'll get to see something fast 'cos I'm going slowly nuts...

[Welmanshire]

Originally Posted by the fixer

I hope they'll show us at least a teaser image... like a Turtle standing in shadow... SOMETHING... soon...

I can't wrap my head around those old pictures of the mocap actors wearing these white balls on sticks on their heads for fellow actors' eyelines... Their eyes seem pretty high...

Spoiler:

[IMG][/IMG]

At first i thought their heads would be darn big for some reason .... but then those pictures of disguised Raph clearly contradict that. He wears his sunglasses pretty high up too though.

Spoiler:

I can kind of picture a real turtle head in there. Not really the big round heads we've seen over the years in different screen depictions of the Turtles.

I really think this version of the Turtles will be totally different from what we've seen up until know in Turtle lore. More different than most fans prolly expect. I think Bay really wants to make his mark and differentiate his Turtles more than ever from all other iterations. He wants to do something completely different and shake the Turtle universe up good. The drastic change of Shredder already proves that.
Oh well. That's SO Hollywood...

Ayway.. None of this is new of course. I just think that we should get ready to be rumbled. Just prepare to the fact that we'll probably not like the amount of change that'll be presented to us... Most of us being nostalgics- we don't like change anyway...

I just hope we'll get to see something fast 'cos I'm going slowly nuts...

The white balls are for the cg artists to gain perspective on lighting within a scene, not for actors eye lines. If you look at Fox interacting with Ritchson, you will see her eyes looking at his.
I think that the Turtles heads are going to be something similar to this -

If they end up looking like that I the face, I will be pretty happy.

[the fixer]

Originally Posted by Welmanshire

The white balls are for the cg artists to gain perspective on lighting within a scene, not for actors eye lines. If you look at Fox interacting with Ritchson, you will see her eyes looking at his.

That could be an explanation. But it'd be the first time they use a technique like that, to my knowledge. In all past productions with CG animated characters in a live action background, the lighting reference for the CG animation and lighting department is obtained prior to shooting by a visual effects technician walking around the scene with either a big reflective or a non reflective sphere on a stick. I see no reason to put two small white balls on antennae on the actor's head for lighting reference. But of course it could be some new technique I guess...

As for Fox looking into Ritchson's eyes- I always figured either they were talking in between takes or Fox hadn't completely understood the use of the eyeline spheres... :p

Anyway... I sure hope they won't let us wait all too long before showing us at least something...

[Welmanshire]

Originally Posted by the fixer

That could be an explanation. But it'd be the first time they use a technique like that, to my knowledge. In all past productions with CG animated characters in a live action background, the lighting reference for the CG animation and lighting department is obtained prior to shooting by a visual effects technician walking around the scene with either a big reflective or a non reflective sphere on a stick. I see no reason to put two small white balls on antennae on the actor's head for lighting reference. But of course it could be some new technique I guess...

As for Fox looking into Ritchson's eyes- I always figured either they were talking in between takes or Fox hadn't completely understood the use of the eyeline spheres... :p

Anyway... I sure hope they won't let us wait all too long before showing us at least something...

I would assume it has to do with the use of steady cam in high traffic areas with light coming from different angles at different times.
There is no way they are being used for eye lines. This is prevalent in the pictures of Raph in his undercover get up. His eyes lay where the actors eyes do.

[Teal Turtle]

How many people do you think have seen the movie turtles?

[Whatswiththeheadbands?]

Originally Posted by Teal Turtle

How many people do you think have seen the movie turtles?

It better be soon, otherwise I'm gonna go mad

[Teal Turtle]

Originally Posted by whatswiththeheadbands?

It better be soon, otherwise I'm gonna go mad

I'm already gone looney....

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

Originally Posted by Teal Turtle

How many people do you think have seen the movie turtles?

0 to about 100...what with cast,crew,directors,concept artists,editors.extras,merchandise,promoters

[Teal Turtle]

Originally Posted by The Boston Ninja Turtle

0 to about 100...what with cast,crew,directors,concept artists,editors.extras,merchandise,promoters

Also the writers that visited the set back in June.

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

Originally Posted by Teal Turtle

Also the writers that visited the set back in June.

writers=crew

but anyways writers do not always see much in terms of concept they write it and then move on to the next project maybe coming in once or twice to do a rewrite..they may describe a character but that could change and usually is very vauge

[Teal Turtle]

Originally Posted by The Boston Ninja Turtle

writers=crew

but anyways writers do not always see much in terms of concept they write it and then move on to the next project maybe coming in once or twice to do a rewrite..they may describe a character but that could change and usually is very vauge

I see...

Should I still expect to see something by the end of the year or is that wishful thinking?

[Welmanshire]

Originally Posted by The Boston Ninja Turtle

writers=crew

but anyways writers do not always see much in terms of concept they write it and then move on to the next project maybe coming in once or twice to do a rewrite..they may describe a character but that could change and usually is very vauge

I believe Teal was referring to the select few journalists that saw the designs on set s few months back. That's how I took it, anyway.

[Teal Turtle]

Originally Posted by Welmanshire

I believe Teal was referring to the select few journalists that saw the designs on set s few months back. That's how I took it, anyway.

Indeed I was....

[chrisdude]

Did anything come out of these journalists, other than a few positive - but totally vague tweets? Why did they even get to see the designs?