The designs of the Turtles is proof to never trust Kevin Eastman

[TrickOrTreater]

Originally Posted by voltron80

I'm not in the business of changing people's minds if you don't want to see the movie fine I prefer to see things for myself before passing judgement.

Not once in that entire post did I say I wasn't going to see the movie.

[turtlefanforever]

But we will see it with a realistic point of view.

[TrickOrTreater]

Actually, I DO want to address these ramblings. Here it goes.

Originally Posted by voltron80

It seems the real hipster thing on the internet is trash Megan Fox, because she's the only bad actress in Hollywood

No, she's clearly not the only bad actress in Hollywood. But she IS a bad actress in the new Ninja Turtles movie, which is why a lot of people including myself are upset. I myself would have cast, say, Anna Kendrick. Good actress and wouldn't stick out nearly as much as Megan Fox does and will.

and for Danny Woodburn Master Splinter has always been voiced by a Japanese men just ask Kevin Clash and James Murray.

So just because Splinter has sometimes not been voiced by a Japanese man he shouldn't EVER be voiced by a Japanese man ever? This would have been a GREAT time to actually get a good Japanese actor for the role. I would have went with Hiroyuki Sanada. Good actor and when I hear him speak I can definitely hear wise Japanese martial arts master, which is what Splinter is and has been for quite some time. Know who I don't hear in my head when I think of Splinter? Danny ****ing Woodburn. I also would have cast, just off the top of my head, Ken Watanabe as Shredder. Fantastic actor, very intimidating presence, and, bonus, Japanese man.

If we're going by directors while Steve Barron directed the first turtles movie and tons of great music videos he also directed "Coneheads"just saying.

Yeah? And? So? What? I guess Barron got lucky? Okay? What matters is it was a good movie. He got the Turtles right. Liebesman has not directed a single good movie in his entire career. I highly doubt, given what we've seen, he's going to start now.

And an Ninja never fought paramilitary guys expect for Ninja Gaiden Sigma, Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2 and Ninja Gaiden 3.or American Ninja, Ninja Assassin(the scene post Raizo getting arrested and the last action sequence) and that sequel to Ninja on Netflix.

I don't even know what the **** this is supposed to mean. So, because some Ninjas is some media in the past didn't fight other Ninjas, it doesn't matter that the Foot Clan aren't Ninjas? Even though, as far as I'm aware, they've been portrayed as Ninjas every time they've been adapted for their entire existence. Again, as far as I'm aware. And yes, even in the '87 cartoon. Even the most BASIC Foot Ninja look we've gotten in the past is better than what we'll be getting in TMNT2014. And yes, we know exactly what they'll look like in the movie.

Well that was fun.

[FlogginMcMurryZombiePizza]

Originally Posted by Powder

Don't be a fool. 19/20 people on this site are here because they never stopped being an active fan, so nostalgia is not a factor in the slightest. If the majority feel the same way, it's not really fair to call it an 'over-reaction'.

Truth!

Originally Posted by Powder

Lets say you enjoy eating chicken.

Someone has just prepared for you a chicken that was near death in age, whose life was taken by semi-truck and left to rot in the Arizona sun for 3 days. Then it was microwaved until fully cooked and served to you.

Now you know you've always loved chicken in the past, and you're open to new things as it's a versatile meat, but this just looks absolutely disgusting, and you know that the means of making it made little sense, were off-putting, and have rarely yielded positive results prior.

You gonna sit there and say "I need to taste this before I can have any reasonable suspicion that it may be horrendous"? Do you need to eat it to know that it at the very least looks bad? Ultimately, even if by some rare chance it's delicious, it's one ugly and haphazardly prepared meal that nobody would be in the wrong to complain about.

Best. Analogy. EVER.
Well done mate!

Originally Posted by ObiWanFan4life

Well, when I say it's not perfect, the movie really isn't the turtles' story. It's Splinter's and kind of Casey Jones'. Sure the turtles are the main characters, but when Splinter is captured by The Shredder, he's rescued....by Casey Jones. At the end, there's a fight with The Foot Clan and Shredder gets defeated (in a anticlimactic duel)...but by Splinter and Casey Jones. Casey also loses some sympathy points from me at least when he casually murders the Shredder.

Hah it's so true!
I wonder how the movie would have ended had Casey not backed the truck up into the fire escape...?
It's interesting to point out though. I like that the Turtles don't get the final "hit" on Shredder. He totally overpowers them. I like that the movie comes down to the revenge/old rivalry. Plus, after being kidnapped and beaten, it's good that Splinter bested Shredder in his rage.
And Casey, being who he is, can get away with "killing" (or the intent to kill) since he's Casey. Had any other character pulled the lever, I could see people having a problem with that haha
(Just ranting...)

Originally Posted by chrisdude

And really, the turtles only got involved in that whole mess because Raph went after his sai.

That's some "the most important characters in Star Wars are the guys who didn't shoot R2 and 3PO in the escape pod at the beginning of A New Hope" right there

[chrisdude]

Originally Posted by FlogginMcMurryZombiePizza

That's some "the most important characters in Star Wars are the guys who didn't shoot R2 and 3PO in the escape pod at the beginning of A New Hope" right there

I guess I don't remember Star Wars well enough... But I'm not stretching, in this case.

[Plasticplayhouse]

The title of this thread is ridiculous.

[FlogginMcMurryZombiePizza]

Originally Posted by chrisdude

I guess I don't remember Star Wars well enough... But I'm not stretching, in this case.

[samxsteal]

Originally Posted by TrickOrTreater

Actually, I DO want to address these ramblings. Here it goes.



No, she's clearly not the only bad actress in Hollywood. But she IS a bad actress in the new Ninja Turtles movie, which is why a lot of people including myself are upset. I myself would have cast, say, Anna Kendrick. Good actress and wouldn't stick out nearly as much as Megan Fox does and will.

She is far from the worst actress in the world. And we haven't ever seen her in this kind of role. And while you have absolutely know faith in any one involved, and that clouds judgment. Sorry while I don't much care for her either i will wait to judge once i have enough evidence to judge. so far she hasn't been over sexualized which is a good thing, and seems to have good chemistry with the cast as far as we have seen.

Originally Posted by TrickOrTreater

So just because Splinter has sometimes not been voiced by a Japanese man he shouldn't EVER be voiced by a Japanese man ever? This would have been a GREAT time to actually get a good Japanese actor for the role. I would have went with Hiroyuki Sanada. Good actor and when I hear him speak I can definitely hear wise Japanese martial arts master, which is what Splinter is and has been for quite some time. Know who I don't hear in my head when I think of Splinter? Danny ****ing Woodburn. I also would have cast, just off the top of my head, Ken Watanabe as Shredder. Fantastic actor, very intimidating presence, and, bonus, Japanese man.

I think what he was really getting and and what seems to be very obvious is that while he will be the one doing all the motion capture. who is to say there wont also be a voice actor involved with being his voice just as has been done with every other version. i believe the whole point was to have a little person play splinter because in this version he is being portrayed as a shorter version.

Originally Posted by TrickOrTreater

Yeah? And? So? What? I guess Barron got lucky? Okay? What matters is it was a good movie. He got the Turtles right. Liebesman has not directed a single good movie in his entire career. I highly doubt, given what we've seen, he's going to start now.

So what he is getting at is that though someone may not have the best background good thing may come from this. I seriously doubt every fan loved the thought of the turtle movie originally before it was released. difference being people could vocalize there dislike like they can know.

Originally Posted by TrickOrTreater

I don't even know what the **** this is supposed to mean. So, because some Ninjas is some media in the past didn't fight other Ninjas, it doesn't matter that the Foot Clan aren't Ninjas? Even though, as far as I'm aware, they've been portrayed as Ninjas every time they've been adapted for their entire existence. Again, as far as I'm aware. And yes, even in the '87 cartoon. Even the most BASIC Foot Ninja look we've gotten in the past is better than what we'll be getting in TMNT2014. And yes, we know exactly what they'll look like in the movie.

Well that was fun.

He saying that just because there are "Militarized" doesn't mean they aren't Ninjas i always say i good judge of this is snake eye from Gi joe while hes a ninja he is also a commando And if you look at the images we have seen while some are holding guns others are hold swords, stun batons, and other martial arts weapons. Also if you look closely they all seem to have the knuckles bandaged like a fighter would not a military personnel seeing as it restricts movement in the finger for firing weapons. and obviously from info gather there will be a common ninja style but even while the whole Ninja look isn't in fact how actual ninja commonly looked like. Ninjas use what works best in the situation this is a fundamental rule of ninjitsu. Any weapons the best suits a situation. if ninjas thrived today would they not use guns and other means and gear.

http://www.marketplace.org/topics/wo...ay-make-living
there are also many works stating that most modern military special forces are the ninjas so its quite funny people think militarization of ninjas is odd.

[TrickOrTreater]

[QUOTE=samxsteal;1206586]She is far from the worst actress in the world.[/QUOTE

And yet I literally did not say that. I said she was a bad actress. That's it. And she is.

And we haven't ever seen her in this kind of role.

...are you kidding? This kind of role is what got her famous. A human caught up with a group of strange creatures fighting their enemy. That's what Transformers was.

so far she hasn't been over sexualized which is a good thing

Never mind the fact that the very first pictures we saw of her were her on a trampoline bouncing up and down.

Not like there wasn't a show called the Man Show whose entire last 5 minutes was hot women bouncing on trampolines.

and seems to have good chemistry with the cast as far as we have seen.

...I love how you say this based on literally nothing but some set pictures but then a few words BEFORE say "i will wait to judge once i have enough evidence to judge." Awesome.

I think what he was really getting and and what seems to be very obvious is that while he will be the one doing all the motion capture. who is to say there wont also be a voice actor involved with being his voice just as has been done with every other version.

Because "voice of Splinter" hasn't been cast. Which leads me to believe that not only is Woodburn doing the motion capture, but the voice work as well. Just like the actors doing the motion capture for the Turtles are doing the voices as well.

It's crap casting, plain and simple.

So what he is getting at is that though someone may not have the best background good thing may come from this. I seriously doubt every fan loved the thought of the turtle movie originally before it was released. difference being people could vocalize there dislike like they can know.

Okay? So what? Some people probably DIDN'T like the original Turtles movie. Just like some people right here on these very boards aren't liking what we're seeing from this movie so far.

He saying that just because there are "Militarized" doesn't mean they aren't Ninjas. we have seen while some are holding guns others are hold swords, stun batons, and other martial arts weapons.

Those guys in that movie are not Ninjas. Looking at them will tell you that. Very clearly black ops military guys with bad masks because their leader is a weeaboo. I'm not even going to call them the Foot Clan anymore. They're clearly not. I'll refer to them as "Black Ops Military Bros" or BOMB for short.

But let's test that theory of them holding "other martial arts weapons." I've got a lot of pictures of them on Google right now and I'm currently looking through every one I can find.

And look at that. So far, all I'm seeing is guns and those sticks with a loop at the end that animal control guys use on dogs.

Here's a photo of two of them:


Guns. Freaking. Guns.

Googling "TMNT Michael Bay Foot Clan" will get you lots of pictures of guys who aren't Ninjas.

[Galactus]

Originally Posted by voltron80

It seems the real hipster thing on the internet is trash Megan Fox

Yes but Megan Fox is relevant to this discussion because her casting is such an obvious thing to happen in movie produced by Michael Bay - people were joking about her playing April as soon as we heard his company was producing it. It shows a complete lack of imagination.

Not to mention her inclusion brings to mind the other 80s property that Bay handled and Megan Fox starred in. I think it's perfectly reasonable to worry if TMNT will go the way of Bay's Transformers movies....all other indications are that it will be worse.

and for Danny Woodburn Master Splinter has always been voiced by a Japanese men just ask Kevin Clash and James Murray.

It's not a case of getting an actual Japanese voice actor although I thought Mako was great in the animated movie but rather the character who is essentially race-less has always been portrayed as a Japanese-esque wise master of martial arts. Unless Woodburn is an actor with a greater range than his previous roles have shown it seems he's likely charged to play Splinter like he's played every other role he's had.

If we're going by directors while Steve Barron directed the first turtles movie and tons of great music videos he also directed "Coneheads"just saying.

If we'd had internet culture back then Barron signing on to direct may have been met with a negative reaction but bare in mind in 1989 hardly anyone conceived that a TMNT movie could be done with even a semi-mature tone. When we all saw the movie - he proved that it could be done.

Now that we know it can then it's natural we'd look at the resumes of those making this new movie and see the odds aren't good of getting something of that quality.

And an Ninja never fought paramilitary guys expect for Ninja Gaiden Sigma, Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2 and Ninja Gaiden 3.or American Ninja, Ninja Assassin(the scene post Raizo getting arrested and the last action sequence) and that sequel to Ninja on Netflix.

The turtles have plenty of non-ninja antagonists themselves but the Foot are their primary ones and have always been a ninja clan. In fact it's very important to the TMNT's entire story.

If they wanted to do a movie were the turtles fight the military then they could have either gotten Bishop and his Black Ops guys on come up with an original military group rather than altering the most important villains the of the franchise.

We still haven't seen one trailer with these guys in action yet but **** it the movie is doom, it's the "Plan 9 from Outer Space" of comic book movies. Just saying have an open mind and if you're right then you're right take your victory lap or if this movie turns out alright then every fan wins, and isn't that more important?

I'll never understand why people advocate waiting for a trailer given that trailers are notoriously deceptive.

I've said this before but we don't need to have all the jigsaw pieces in place to figure out what the finished picture will be. In fact studios rely on that hence why they allow the people involved to give interviews, release concept art, designs and trailers. It's all to hype us up and convince us the movie is great before we've seen it.

The lack of any of the above at the last stage in the game is troubling and it's natural to think that perhaps that we don't have any of that stuff because they know that in this instance we wont care for it. Especially when you consider the information we do know about this movie is having the effect of us rolling our eyes.

[CyberCubed]

I hate Megan Fox's design too. The plastic surgery she did on her face is awful.

Look at older pics of Megan from her early 20's, she was a real beauty back then and not the angry frown face she always has on now.

[Michelangelo]

I never knew she'd altered her face (Megan Fox).
The movie will answer all. She looks smokin' hot to me.
Maybe we should get Eastman's opinion on how megan Fox looks, then we'll see if we can really trust him, lol.

As to never trusting Eastman... well if anyone is a fan of the turtles... and he co-created them...then you must have trusted him at some point. That's not to say one can't ever not trust him again, if one chooses to take that view.

Eastman said the new designs were cool, iho.
He has the right to say that as anyone has the right to say whever they like that is relative to one's view.

For those like CyberCubed who are obviously not liking the new designs, then yeah I wouldn't trust Eastman's opinions either.

I love the new look tmnts and trusting Eastman has nothing to do with things in my book. I can think for myself.

Mikey out!!!

[samxsteal]

Originally Posted by TrickOrTreater

And yet I literally did not say that. I said she was a bad actress. That's it. And she is.

in certain casting you have seen. She has had decent actingt in at least two commonly known rolls

Originally Posted by TrickOrTreater

...are you kidding? This kind of role is what got her famous. A human caught up with a group of strange creatures fighting their enemy. That's what Transformers was..

All im saying is she is a grown adult who works for a news station IN TF she was a teenager with next to no plot point but to be there for same in TMNT there is more to it than that. It not really the same at least not in my eyes

Originally Posted by TrickOrTreater

Never mind the fact that the very first pictures we saw of her were her on a trampoline bouncing up and down

Not like there wasn't a show called the Man Show whose entire last 5 minutes was hot women bouncing on trampolines..

So what your saying is any female that works out in normal clothes fully dressed and jump up and down while working out is overly sexualized? First the man show showed women in bathing suits and skimpy outfits jumping on a large trampoline. She is there reporting for the news with many other people she happens to be wearing the same thing any normal person in that situation would if shes being "overly sexualized" in your eyes is not what i think of as overly sexualized I.E. Skimpy tops tight jean sweat, garter belts and corsets. as she has in the past.

Originally Posted by TrickOrTreater

...I love how you say this based on literally nothing but some set pictures but then a few words BEFORE say "i will wait to judge once i have enough evidence to judge." Awesome..

I say because the relationship shown in photos seem promising as to the connection she has with Will. im just saying it seem fairly good i admit i could be wrong and im not stated that there relationship is good just look like it if im wrong im wrong.

Originally Posted by TrickOrTreater

Because "voice of Splinter" hasn't been cast. Which leads me to believe that not only is Woodburn doing the motion capture, but the voice work as well. Just like the actors doing the motion capture for the Turtles are doing the voices as well.

It's crap casting, plain and simple.

As far as we know seriously is it hard to think that some casting hasn't been leaked or posted some where? they've kept next to everything else pretty well. So why then is it so hard to believe Splinter has a voice actor? if im wrong im sorry but i dont think Woodburn is going to be his voice.

Originally Posted by TrickOrTreater

Okay? So what? Some people probably DIDN'T like the original Turtles movie. Just like some people right here on these very boards aren't liking what we're seeing from this movie so far.

And how Did the movie turn out fine just saying.

Originally Posted by TrickOrTreater

Those guys in that movie are not Ninjas. Looking at them will tell you that. Very clearly black ops military guys with bad masks because their leader is a weeaboo. I'm not even going to call them the Foot Clan anymore. They're clearly not. I'll refer to them as "Black Ops Military Bros" or BOMB for short.

Seriously i cant take a person seriously when using hateful name calling for anyone it hurtful and inappropriate. You obviously didn't take any of my thought into consideration. Today's modern ninja is today Spec Ops military.

Originally Posted by TrickOrTreater

But let's test that theory of them holding "other martial arts weapons." I've got a lot of pictures of them on Google right now and I'm currently looking through every one I can find.

I have seen swords, throwing knives, batons, toffa, and looking at the wraps on there arms and leg is a sign of martial arts not military.

Originally Posted by TrickOrTreater

And look at that. So far, all I'm seeing is guns and those sticks with a loop at the end that animal control guys use on dogs.

Here's a photo of two of them:
http://i.imgur.com/QiegwNX.jpg?1

Guns. Freaking. Guns.

Googling "TMNT Michael Bay Foot Clan" will get you lots of pictures of guys who aren't Ninjas.

I have just found multiple photos

[TrickOrTreater]

Originally Posted by samxsteal

in certain casting you have seen. She has had decent actingt in at least two commonly known rolls

No. She really hasn't.

So what your saying is any female that works out in normal clothes fully dressed and jump up and down while working out is overly sexualized?

No I'm saying Megan Fox in yoga pants bouncing up and down on a trampoline in a ****ing Ninja Turtles movie produced by Michael Bay is overly sexualized.

I say because the relationship shown in photos seem promising as to the connection she has with Will.

Fantastic. Utterly fantastic.

As far as we know seriously is it hard to think that some casting hasn't been leaked or posted some where? they've kept next to everything else pretty well. So why then is it so hard to believe Splinter has a voice actor? if im wrong im sorry but i dont think Woodburn is going to be his voice.

And when I see it I promise you I'll be happier than anyone else. But until then, Danny Woodburn is the only person playing Splinter in body and voice and that is a TERRIBLE. DECISION.

Seriously i cant take a person seriously when using hateful name calling for anyone it hurtful and inappropriate. You obviously didn't take any of my thought into consideration.

A weeaboo is someone who completely immerses themselves in Japanese culture even though they are not Japanese. Eric Sachs, white guy, dressing like a "samurai" and demanding military guys kill themselves in a traditional samurai way is atrociously weeaboo.

I have seen swords, throwing knives, batons, toffa, and looking at the wraps on there arms and leg is a sign of martial arts not military.

I have just found multiple photos

Let's see 'em. Please, please prove me wrong. I WANT to be wrong.

[samxsteal]

Originally Posted by TrickOrTreater

No. She really hasn't.

im glade you seem to think so but no every one shares that same opinion.

Originally Posted by TrickOrTreater

No I'm saying Megan Fox in yoga pants bouncing up and down on a trampoline in a ****ing Ninja Turtles movie produced by Michael Bay is overly sexualized.

so if this was a different movie with out micheal bay this would be fine??? your logic as i have said before is clouded by hate.

Originally Posted by TrickOrTreater

Fantastic. Utterly fantastic.

seems legitimate

Originally Posted by TrickOrTreater

And when I see it I promise you I'll be happier than anyone else. But until then, Danny Woodburn is the only person playing Splinter in body and voice and that is a TERRIBLE. DECISION.

No only confirm to be playing splinter that just vague has anyone said he being the voice as well confirmed this no then think.

Originally Posted by TrickOrTreater

A weeaboo is someone who completely immerses themselves in Japanese culture even though they are not Japanese. Eric Sachs, white guy, dressing like a "samurai" and demanding military guys kill themselves in a traditional samurai way is atrociously weeaboo.

Thats like calling some one a wigger which is hurtful and pretty damn close to racist in my eye sorry. so any Mixed raced for white decent Japanese who is raised by Japanese beliefs is worthy of being shunned and made fun of? you have no idea what your saying you have no proof of what you think is going to happen in this movie. Hes playing a character with ties to japan it not like he is some random dude who decided to to become a"weeaboo" and then decide because he thought it was cool to have someone preform harakiri just because the thought it was cool and japanese?? you really seriously think thats the case then your being ignorant

Originally Posted by TrickOrTreater

Let's see 'em. Please, please prove me wrong. I WANT to be wrong.

this just one image the man closest has throwing knives, i have still seen others you can find them your self (Note look closely they're there perhaps you haven't even been looking for them in the photos or care)

[snake]

^^
Broken caps lock I assume?

[TrickOrTreater]

Originally Posted by samxsteal;1206798[url

https://static.squarespace.com/static/51b3dc8ee4b051b96ceb10de/51ce6099e4b0d911b4489b79/51ce61f1e4b0d911b44a70a6/1368137239797/1000w/teenage_mutant_ninja_turtles_20130509_1839447926.j pg[/url] this just one image the man closest has throwing knives, i have still seen others you can find them your self (Note look closely they're there perhaps you haven't even been looking for them in the photos or care)

I see...a knife. A single knife.

WOW. They truly are Ninja warriors straight out of Feudal Japan.

And I love this:

i have still seen others you can find them your self

This is code for "I'm making **** up and can't back up my claims."

And we're done here.

[samxsteal]

Originally Posted by TrickOrTreater

I see...a knife. A single knife.

WOW. They truly are Ninja warriors straight out of Feudal Japan.

And I love this:



This is code for "I'm making **** up and can't back up my claims."

And we're done here.

This isn't feudal japan. In all the iteration ever created they were never feudal japan style ninjas. And thoses are a pare of Kuni Ninja throwing daggers.



I see swords, stun batons, Martial art wrappings, throwing knives. and while this is all from ONE scene out of how many??? this is proof enough form me they aren't "COD wanna be's"


Edit Plus look at the gun there toting aroung Yellow what kind of military group totes yellow rifles???? pluss then guys don't seem to different from this look at the foot "soldiers" holding guns as they did in the show many times

[snake]

Originally Posted by samxsteal

This isn't feudal japan. In all the iteration ever created they were never feudal japan style ninjas. And thoses are a pare of Kuni Ninja throwing daggers.
http://f16617a476479378cd43-3aefa95d...urtles-Set.jpg
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/...47_634x429.jpg
http://www.beyondhollywood.com/uploa...-2-600x583.jpg
http://cdn.bleedingcool.net/wp-conte...lan.jpg?9098e0 I see swords, stun batons, Martial art wrappings, throwing knives. and while this is all from ONE scene out of how many??? this is proof enough form me they aren't "COD wanna be's"

Nope, all I see are poles and motion capture shells. And since when are stun batons feudal Japan weapons?

[TrickOrTreater]

Originally Posted by snake

Nope, all I see are poles and motion capture shells. And since when are stun batons feudal Japan weapons?

Seriously. What swords? Where? Stun batons?

I must need a new prescription.