Turtles Forever: a direct insult to the old 1987 cartoon?

[Powder]

Originally Posted by turtlefanforever

Only thing to come out of that dudes mouth that isn't hate is if he's talking about a personal accomplishment. Don't stress. Just talk turtles and ignore the hate as best you can. But I'm with you on the treatment of the characters, but I understand it. They definitely could have held back a bit.

You are suuuuch a try-hard, LOL.

[1987]

Originally Posted by turtlefanforever

Only thing to come out of that dudes mouth that isn't hate is if he's talking about a personal accomplishment. Don't stress. Just talk turtles and ignore the hate as best you can. But I'm with you on the treatment of the characters, but I understand it. They definitely could have held back a bit.

yeah, ive been noticing that quite a bit around here. not just him but a few others as well, get so offended from simple comments they dont agree with. but what can ya do?

Originally Posted by jth

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So a fan of the 87' kid show to the max, doesn't like the Nick show cause it's aimed at kids...

Boy, if that the damnedest thing I've ever heard. Is there a punch line to this joke I'm not getting?

i am not in the 5-10 year old age group, thats why i dont like the nick show. i tried watching it but i cant stand how mikeys voice sounds is he even a teenage on the show? and when i hear donny talking i think its ot raph and the "pie guy" voicing leo is a joke in itself and borderline appropriate for a childrens show. have u not seen he last american pie film, where he bares it all? i also dont dig all those lame new characters like fishfish and dogface. the ot had way cooler mutants and its the original version of tmnt i was introduced to as a kid so of course i will prefer it over the nick show. if i was a child growing up these days i probably would like the nick show, but overall i dont like the design of the nick turtles (not to mention donnys ridiculous tooth gap), those weird power-puff girls style bodies they have look ridiculous.

Originally Posted by NinjaPug

This post is so confusing. You say you "always saw the tmnt as mirage" yet view the "4kids tmnt as a different take on the turtles"

I'm all for people liking/not liking different adaptations of TMNT but it's tough for me to understand liking the OT but hating the Nick version because it's not Mirage.

Your posts sound like you believe the OT was based on Mirage.

i meant as in a different take from the ot. and i didnt say the ot is based on mirage, it IS mirage, and so is the 4kids toon but based more on the comics. the nickelodeon show on the other hand is just a cg nicktoon.

[Jester]

Originally Posted by 1987

i didnt say the ot is based on mirage, it IS mirage

What? That makes absolutely no sense.

[NinjaPug]

I don't think 1987 knows what Mirage is.

[turtlefanforever]

Lets just get back on topic. Not everything has to be a flame war. You wanna discuss elements not related to turtles forever, then make a new thread.

[NinjaPug]

We're responding to posts by the guy that started the topic. Go pretend to be a mod elsewhere.

[1987]

um yes mirage was the production company and it does say mirage studios on the end credits of the ot so yea

sadly mirage sold tmnt to nick

[Powder]

[Jester]

So...it's Mirage...because Mirage owned the Turtles at the time...and now that Mirage no longer owns TMNT everything is crap....

Ok....good to know.

How do you feel about "The Mouse" owning Spider-man or Warner Bros. being the home of Batman?

[NinjaPug]

Originally Posted by NinjaPug

I don't think 1987 knows what Mirage is.

Originally Posted by 1987

um yes mirage was the production company and it does say mirage studios on the end credits of the ot so yea

sadly mirage sold tmnt to nick

Refer to my previous post

[CyberCubed]

Such utter stupidity going on in this thread. It's so casual.

[Jester]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Such utter stupidity going on in this thread. It's so casual.

[Technogeek29]

Originally Posted by 1987

um yes mirage was the production company and it does say mirage studios on the end credits of the ot so yea

sadly mirage sold tmnt to nick

A mind like a steel trap this one?

[JTH]

Originally Posted by 1987

i am not in the 5-10 year old age group, thats why i dont like the nick show. i tried watching it but i cant stand how mikeys voice sounds is he even a teenage on the show? and when i hear donny talking i think its ot raph and the "pie guy" voicing leo is a joke in itself and borderline appropriate for a childrens show. have u not seen he last american pie film, where he bares it all? i also dont dig all those lame new characters like fishfish and dogface. the ot had way cooler mutants and its the original version of tmnt i was introduced to as a kid so of course i will prefer it over the nick show. if i was a child growing up these days i probably would like the nick show, but overall i dont like the design of the nick turtles (not to mention donnys ridiculous tooth gap), those weird power-puff girls style bodies they have look ridiculous.

I don't mind you having actual reasons on the show itself, I don't agree with them, but so be it.

But as soon as you use the age reason, this is a mute point. Because I'm going to tell you the same reason you loved a show/franchise can't be the same reason you condemn a show/franchise as an adult, especially when the latter show is FAR less kiddy than the former.

You just need to admit that it's because you're older and that the new version has just passed you by, and you like the old version because of nostalgic reasons.

But just bare in mind that they're the shows is centered for the same age group from 87' and 2K12.

So maybe it's not the show that's changed, maybe it's just you...

[Jester]

Originally Posted by jth

But as soon as you use the age reason, this is a mute point.

http://www.maniacworld.com/question-is-moot.html

[Konchadunga]

Does it really matter? Whether or not they wanted to insult it, they did.

I have challenged the film's apologists, such as Andrew NDB, to a scavenger hunt. Watch the OT again and find me:
•A time the OT turtles cry under pressure.
•A time every OT turtle consistently grinned and laughed when a serious fight broke out.
•A time every OT Turtle; not just Michelangelo, gets distracted by pizza in the thick of conflict.
•A time when OT Donatello said anything like "science isn't all about facts; it requires guesswork and positive thinking."

Not one of them has been able to do it, because go figure; the people who say TF was accurate are the same ones who hate the OT too much to go and check.

The best they can claim is some meta accuracy; like they distilled the whole show's silliness onto the Turtles, but that's still wrong. It would be like having one of the dark, gritty Batman incarnations of the modern era having a crossover with the Adam West Batman, if the latter was constantly saying phrases that began with "holy" and making puns, yes; that existed in the show but it wasn't Batman who did it!

For the record, though, TF has far, far more problems than misportrayal of the OT. It's illogical, plothole-ridden, many of even the funny jokes are very predictable, it just further cements 4Kidd Shredder as a villain-Sue, and it's simply too short to do the concept real justice. So maybe it wasn't an intentional insult, but it's still an undisciplined mess, so that's not much better. By the time it was made, 4Kids couldn't even get their own Turtles right for three seasons, so go-figure; a movie with more wouldn't work well.

[Tuxedo Moroboshi]

Originally Posted by 1987

um yes mirage was the production company and it does say mirage studios on the end credits of the ot so yea

sadly mirage sold tmnt to nick

When people say "Mirage" around here, they're usually talking about the original comics.



The 1987 cartoon was practically nothing like the original comics that it was supposed to be based on. Technically, yes, both are Mirage because Mirage owned the franchise back then... but by that logic, the 2003 cartoon was also Mirage. I think this is just a simple case of people's terminologies not matching up (and I'll admit, I've never referred to the original comics as "Mirage", myself... but mostly because I like emphasizing the word "original" by instead using the term "original comics", since they were the source material).

Originally Posted by Xav

This pretty much sums it up.
http://gregxb.blogspot.com/2013/02/t...was-right.html

Ya, I have to agree. If you go back and watch the old show (not the first five episodes, but the majority of what came after those "mini-series" episodes), the ridiculousness is actually pretty much what was shown in Turtles Forever. It might seem like they were exaggerating, but they weren't really. If anything, it's more that the old cartoon was inconsistent with its goofiness and the characterizations of the characters, as it seemed to vary depending on who was writing which episode. Turtles Forever might be bit... biased in only drawing from episodes where the most ridiculousness was present, but to say that the old cartoon never reached those levels is a fallacy. It just fluctuated, is all.

[Jester]

Originally Posted by Tuxedo Moroboshi

The 1987 cartoon was practically nothing like the original comics that it was supposed to be based on. Technically, yes, both are Mirage because Mirage owned the franchise back then... but by that logic, the 2003 cartoon was also Mirage. I think this is just a simple case of people's terminologies not matching up (and I'll admit, I've never referred to the original comics as "Mirage", myself... but mostly because I like emphasizing the word "original" by instead using the term "original comics", since they were the source material).

As would Next Mutation....as Mirage still owned the Turtles, even if they allowed Saban to use the characters.

[Tuxedo Moroboshi]

Originally Posted by Jester

As would Next Mutation....as Mirage still owned the Turtles, even if they allowed Saban to use the characters.

Indeed. And Next Mutation was about as far removed from the original comics as you can possibly get.

[Lou 500]

Turtles Forever was a great tribute and funny as hell in a lot of parts; the only bit I thought was off was the moments where the Fred Wolf turtles would piss themselves and cry when faced with serious adversaries, which seemed very uncharacteristic.