The 'I Got A New Piece Of Art' Thread, (for everybody!)

[d_osborn]

Originally Posted by Sofistocat

Gruff, so pissed I missed this...

I caught it at the LACMA and loved every second.

[bronty]

I think you're interpreting the phrase 'fine art' as "good" art. It is notoriously difficult to define but it's more along the lines of 'art created for no express purpose other than the artists expression of self'. Art created to move commercial product is by definition illustration. Those delineations are there because the creation of those different types of works follows very different processes. "Illustration" has deadlines and editors and needing to please the client. "Fine art" is a single persons voice without those concerns.

By definition comic art is illustration (it is moving product - a comic). That doesn't mean it can't be effing fantastic or very expensive. And it doesn't mean there isn't some incredibly awful fine art out there. But there is a distinction drawn between the two in terms of the original motivation for creation. Rockwell is considered by many to be illustration and a Rockwell sold for 18m recently.

[bronty]

Originally Posted by d_osborn

I know this is an extreme example, but it popped in my head...

http://www.moma.org/visit/calendar/exhibitions/313

I know it probably sounds like I'm defending fine art and honestly nothing could be further from the truth, I proudly call every piece I own illustration and have no interest in collecting fine art. Just debating here.

Note the 'special exhibitions' wing of moma there though. Moma is a big institution and they have a lot of areas where ther can display things that will bring people in without 'sullying' their 'serious' fine art area. For example the design wing had a video game exhibition a couple years back. That doesn't mean they are going to hang pacman next to Matisse.

In summary illustration isn't fine art , it's better

[Sofistocat]

Originally Posted by bronty

I think you're interpreting the phrase 'fine art' as "good" art. It is notoriously difficult to define but it's more along the lines of 'art created for no express purpose other than the artists expression of self'. Art created to move commercial product is by definition illustration. Those delineations are there because the creation of those different types of works follows very different processes. "Illustration" has deadlines and editors and needing to please the client. "Fine art" is a single persons voice without those concerns.

By definition comic art is illustration (it is moving product - a comic). That doesn't mean it can't be effing fantastic or very expensive. And it doesn't mean there isn't some incredibly awful fine art out there. But there is a distinction drawn between the two in terms of the original motivation for creation. Rockwell is considered by many to be illustration and a Rockwell sold for 18m recently.

Fair enough... I still view an "artist's expression of self" to have undergone self editorial perspectives from the "self". Granted there may have not been a verbalized purpose for painting such masterpieces, I feel many "fine" artists did confine themselves, in their works, to the sociological and cultural status quo's during the time the work was performed. Many artists had to fulfill their clients needs and meet society standards in order to make ends meet. I guess it could be argued as being a 2-way street...

Would'nt that constitute having somewhat of an editorial aspect to your "fine" art? The artist, generally, created art that was acceptable by society during that period of time. This is surely not a blanketed statement, but can be said about soem artists fitting your "fine" criteria, no?

No worries or ill intent is inferred, just friendly debate...

[bronty]

It's definitely a slippery slope. In some sense you could call old masters commissioned by kings to paint portraits to have been illustrators, really. But everything before the invention of the camera basically gets a pass. All of the art people have trouble appreciating (myself included at times) was created post camera for the simple reason that realism didn't matter anymore when you could get realism by pushing a button. So.... artists had to take a different direction to try and stay relevant. The concept became more important than the picture. That's why a giant hamburger, a masturbating anime figure (at point of release no less), and a can of actual poop **pics below!** are thoroughly considered fine art while McFarlane and such are not.

Ultimately I know what you're saying but for the most part the hard line has been 'was it done for a commercial purpose, or not?'. Again that's a slippery slope too because how could one say that somebody like Damien Hirst doesn't have commercial objectives in mind when he has actively pumped and manipulated his own market, but... these are exceptions that cloud the general rule.

Now, I don't know about you but I'll take a mcfarlane spidey over a can of someone's crap any day, "concept" be damned (aside: he produced a good number of those tins, and they are over 50 years old now... some of them are starting to leak LOL).

Oldenburg


Murakami


Manzoni

[d_osborn]

The last thing I want is to get in an art debate. I left that scene behind in college, and have only been better for it. The acceptance of nerdy production illustrations in art circles has definitely gone up, though. The Burton exhibits, Frazetta gallery exhibitions are the first to come to mind. Mondo and Gallery 1988 aren't exactly "production art", but they're legit gallery exhibitions that display/sell original nerd art (that's sometimes produced under a commercial license.) Major auction houses will sell a Superman piece alongside one of the classics.

IMO, art snobs and comic/movie/video game nerds will never agree on "art". That isn't to say that the stuff we love won't be in museums, though. It'll probably be more for cultural impact over artistic merit, though.

Apples and oranges. Art and canned crap. (I really dislike this boards censoring.)

[bronty]

I agree, I took a couple of fine art courses in college and wow I'm glad I left that behind too

The fine art discussion here has run its course on my end anyways. They always start out interesting and then end up at canned crap

[bronty]

I agree with osborn, a palate cleansing in needed after all that. Thumbs up!

[Sofistocat]

Originally Posted by bronty

The concept became more important than the picture. That's why a giant hamburger, a masturbating anime figure (at point of release no less), and a can of actual poop **pics below!** are thoroughly considered fine art while McFarlane and such are not.

So artists blaming George Eastman for taking away "realism" is why I have been subjected to seeing that interpretation of Super Sayian Goku right after finding all the Dragon Balls? Good grief Charlie Brown...

More than my palate needs cleansing. After seeing that, I feel like the little Catholic boy who just came from the confession box of infamy...

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Here's some more goodies I am waiting on receipt of, these have been paid for and need to be shipped(hint hint...), or will be picked up on FCBD 2014:

TMNT Book II pg 118 bluelines w/ color art


Tales vol.2 issue 59 frontispiece


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Respect to Bode! These 2 pages bump my vol.1 OA collection to 9 issues, I'm getting there...

TMNT vol. 1 issue 18 pg 15


TMNT vol. 1 issue 32 pg 15

[TheCanadiandrome]

nice! such great art pieces

[d_osborn]

Originally Posted by Sofistocat

TMNT Book II pg 118 bluelines w/ color art

Loving the blueline piece! I'm still kicking my own ass for missing out on the bluelines from the first movie Mirage adaptation comic. Argh.

Cool painting, Bronty!

[Powder]

Nice score on the Leo pin up, Dooney doesn't usually let that kinda stuff go.

[Sofistocat]

Originally Posted by TheCanadiandrome

nice! such great art pieces

Thanks bro! :0

Originally Posted by d_osborn

Loving the blueline piece! I'm still kicking my own ass for missing out on the bluelines from the first movie Mirage adaptation comic. Argh.

Cool painting, Bronty!

Thanks, I'm gonna try to grab a blueline from each of the four books. Not sure if it would interest you osborn, but there are a handful of bluelines from the 3rd movie adaptation on ebay right now.

Originally Posted by Powder

Nice score on the Leo pin up, Dooney doesn't usually let that kinda stuff go.

Thx. It didn't come from Dooney though. His reluctance to part with OA is one of the reasons I wanted this page. Now I need to find the comic as it's sold out on Mirage's web site...

[bronty]

Nice pieces. Dooney is great and I like those bodes although at the time I didn't care for them.

There is some really amazing and thought provoking footage of his dad speaking in Toronto in 74 - if anyone hasn't heard it I highly recommend it. Just google 'Vaughn Bode Toronto 1974'

[Sofistocat]

Originally Posted by bronty

Nice pieces. Dooney is great and I like those bodes although at the time I didn't care for them.

There is some really amazing and thought provoking footage of his dad speaking in Toronto in 74 - if anyone hasn't heard it I highly recommend it. Just google 'Vaughn Bode Toronto 1974'

thx bronty, I love straight B&W or toned B&W OA pages the most. I'm very into Bode's graffiti work now, some of the pics he posts on FB are amazing.

It's struggling and may be closed for good soon. 5 Ponitz park is considered the guggenheim or MoMa of performance art in NYC. Lotsa good pics in here...

Those bode videos are really inciteful. Twas so nice when the underground was our underground...

[boywonder26]

Got this sketch from dooney at megacon this past Saturday.😁

[tOkKa]

-->> Not the forum for this but just quick personal samples; one commissioned.. for the point of the current topic.

[tOkKa]

-->> You guys are sharing some really gorgeous stuff, this might be my all time fave T-drome thread. !!
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In summary illustration isn't fine art , it's better ..

..i like that ..

[Jay $tarkiller]

Wow, the Fugitoid canvas is real niiice. Did you do it, Tokka?! Great artwork!!

I went to a con in my hometown on this weekend, and met Romano Molenaar again. He's such a nice guy, and his commissions really are a homerun to me! Though he's responsible for Batman, and Birds of Prey at DC, he's a big tmnt fan and really digs the work Idw is doing. We got to talking about the new movie, and his experiences with Kevin. It was a great day Here are the new pieces by Romano..real beauties imo

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[Sofistocat]

Originally Posted by tOkKa

-->> Not the forum for this but just quick personal samples; one commissioned.. for the point of the current topic.

Originally Posted by Jay $tarkiller

Wow, the Fugitoid canvas is real niiice. Did you do it, Tokka?! Great artwork!!

I went to a con in my hometown on this weekend, and met Romano Molenaar again. He's such a nice guy, and his commissions really are a homerun to me! Though he's responsible for Batman, and Birds of Prey at DC, he's a big tmnt fan and really digs the work Idw is doing. We got to talking about the new movie, and his experiences with Kevin. It was a great day Here are the new pieces by Romano..real beauties imo

All great stuff guys! Those life size pieces are totally in the right place! I like the April painting, she was scared ****less when that nightmare woke her. Off topic, but that Triceraton you did for PL a few years back is SWEET!

The other Romano Molennar piece you have Jay compliments your new piece well. Casey is looking lean and mean...