The NEW Official Trailer Discussion

[MajorViolence]

Originally Posted by sethmartin

Did the turtles franchise ever really "tank"? At the most it's just had it's share of ups and downs. Turtles 3 didn't do well but it certainly didn't tank the franchise. The OT series still continued for a number of years then Next Mutation picked up immediately after that and then the 03 series. The turtles franchise isn't going to tank because of this movie. If it's bad, we might not see another turtles film for a few years but I doubt it will "ruin" the franchise.

It certainly dipped, but there's been a pretty steady stream of new projects, even when for a while there it was one project after another that failed to impress. I'm not expecting this movie to lose money, but even if they failed to sell a single ticket, it wouldn't mean the franchise would die. It would just mean they would take a step back from making more movies and try again in a few years.

[GrapeSoda]

Originally Posted by samxsteal

I try to for better word Enlighten individuals. I dont like argueing, But i will if i feel someone is being miss informed, or the are stating things as fact when in fact they aren't. People talking about how the turtles re so large 7' tall 10' tall 17' tall they're 6' tall give or take couple inches using math, basic measurements and perspective to calculate. Which prove that they are likely to keep the actors heights as the turtles height which is what i was expecting anyway.

People say the Production has not faith for love of the franchise when there is more evidence to the contrary. These people are passionate about it. Even Danny(who sadly got recast) was supper excited and a huge turtles fan. I moment Johnathan was hired he wanted to know everything about the turtle and sat down the Kevin the CO creator and Kevin says hes been a part of the production since it inception 4-5 years ago and has work closely with the screen writers directer and even the producers, i could go on but i wont.

Etc etc etc, there are a lot of passionate fans and concerns are fine but to damn a movie(which many are doing) Make no sense to me, but then if the dislike something so much WHY spend do much time and energy to dislike something this is what gets me Your a fan of turtles that fine. wouldn't you rather talk happily about thing you love instead to pit apart and complain about something many of you obviously Loath.

I defend this movie because as other i want it to do well I want to talk freely about why i love it have long discussions about what i think is possible. Like fans should to is this not a fan thread for movie?
I dont like seeing people being concerned if they are concerned the best thing i can to is try to paint there concerns as something that doesn't warrant as much concern so that they too can Enjoy it.

Thanks for the response, sam. You've got a huge heart for the Turtles, and i respect that.

I hope you can come to respect that some people aren't excited about this variation of what's being done to our beloved Turtle Teens. There's is no need to defend every choice that the studio, director, writers, and producers have made and continue to make for this film. Not everyone will be as excited for the changes made to the franchise (much like the storm that erupted here back when 2012 Nick Turtles were coming to life.....heck, even i was skeptical, but i've come to LOVE that version of the Turtles). The thing a lot of us "haterz" are so adamant about, is that history repeats itself. Especially when it comes to Hollywood.

My best friend is a HUGE Transformers fan. He owns almost every released figure (US, Europe, and Japan) from every line up to 2005, he owns copies of all the marvel, DW, and IDW comics runs, and every series on DVD. That guys even writes/draws Generation 1 fan fiction comics! Having spent 25 years of my life as his bro, i've learned a LOT about Transformers. When the rumors of the live action film came out, i got a copy of the script...and i felt sad inside. When the film came out, my friends had to persuade me to go see it with a smuggled 40oz and paying for my ticket, and a promise not to say "i told you so" when we left. My best bud was outside protesting the film dressed as Generation 1 Optimus Prime with a sign that says, "guns don't kill people, Megatron does." When we left the theater, my gang of friends all looked at me and said, "don't say a f****n' word!"

If you couldn't tell from my avatar, i am an ENORMOUS G.I.Joe ARAH fan. When word that Steven Sommers was directing the live action film, i was skeptical. I am not a fan of any of his work. So i looked to the writers of the film.....did a bit of research on the script and got my hands on a copy of the original script and the revised Larry Hama version. That script was just insulting on so many levels. Surely the actual movie couldn't be that bad. To this day i still haven't been able to sit through that garbage-fest that is Rise of Cobra. It was streaming on Netflix, and i couldn't make it past the PS2 graphics of the "desert" as Duke and his "best bud" Ripcord headed to the Pit.

"Grape, what are you getting at?" you might be asking yourself.

History has shown that Hollywood only cares about name brand recognition and doesn't really care about making quality films. There is absolutely NO REASON, with the HUGE amount of QUALITY stories in these franchises, a great director and team couldn't tell an amazing and engaging story that stays true and earnest to the source material while also be exciting and "rebooted" (just look at marvel movies). With the leaked script and the scenes from the trailer that match up to the action scenes of that "Blue Door" garbage, it leaves a LOT of us fans on edge. We've already been there....and it wasn't pretty.....or at least, it wasn't as pretty as it could have, no, it should have been.

When there are comic writers and fan fiction writers that create better treatments than the films Hollywood churns out, i think we, as a fan community, should demand better. That is why the "HATERZ" keep commenting on something we LOATHE. We expect and want better from something we love and grew up with. In fact, it has already been done better 24 years ago. Our opinions carry no less weight than yours or anyone else's as a fan. I can safely speak for everyone that is disappointed in what we've seen so far in saying that we DESERVE better. The taste in our mouth right now is not good....and history has shown, that instinct isn't always wrong.

[marcelangelo]

little inputver here in munich my brother saw a turtles poster at the movie theater yesterday(he went to watch spider-man 2)..it was the mike nuchuku poster and from the pic he sent me it looked like it was a huge poster.
the movie is due over here in 5 months so all you guys should already be etting posters and whatnot pretty soon I think...

[Warhorse]

Originally Posted by samxsteal

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In this pic, it looks like one of the sais are bent down at the tip.

[Puddinpop]

Originally Posted by Sewer Sirens Podcast

I think it will be giving us mostly different footage, and I think they will explain more of the 'plot'. I want to say we'll see more turtles than the previous trailer, but as of now, I really don't know. Hope to see them fight, and as Ramboraph4life said, I hope we see the ninja/martial arts aspect in it too.

But I am also excited!

I second this : ) I also want to see some intensity when it comes to the fighting. Leo swinging his weapons around along with the other turtles. They've done a good job getting people hyped and people are interested but I think now its time for them to knock it out of the park with a good trailer. Honestly, I'm a little tired of seeing Fox holding Raphs Sais lol. I want to see the turtles do what they do best, Kicking some ***

[Warhorse]

Originally Posted by Gimme_Three

we got shredder trail.. splinter tv spot.. maybe more interaction between the turtles would be cool.

We'll probably now get the April/Vernon and Whoopie Goldberg trailer.

[TigerClaw]

I hope they show the Turtle Van in the 2nd trailer.

[Bry]

Originally Posted by samxsteal

I understand Not everyone is going to be Excited But if they aren't excited why waist the time. focus on something else thet you do enjoy. I mean you you still have interest in the movie there has to be something there you are hopeful for is so discuss that if not again why waste time ranting abo0ut something you have no urge to see nor even bother with, that is what trolls do the complain and make fun of stuff others enjoy for the sake of complaining and starting drama.

By the same token, though, isn't it a waste of time for those who are positive and excited to get upset and argue over those who aren't? I honestly haven't liked much of anything I've seen from this movie, but I'm not trying to tell you you're wrong. You want to enjoy it, and I honestly hope you do. All I ask is that I get the same respect in return - accept that I'm not optimistic about it and let me express my opinions and concerns. That's how it should be, on both sides.

Claiming that those who aren't positive are "trolls" who are expressing negative opinions "for the sake of complaining and starting drama" is assuming a lot about other peoples' motives, and it's pretty insulting. Not everyone may agree with you, but it's not fair to dismiss their opinions outright like that.

There's nothing wrong with a little friendly discussion or debate, but people have a right to their opinions and it's not worth getting upset over. Opinions are subjective, and when people feel like someone is trying to "correct" them for expressing theirs, they're bound to get tense.

[samxsteal]

Originally Posted by Warhorse

In this pic, it looks like one of the sais are bent down at the tip.

Saw that too i think something major happens to Raph. With the bandage on his shell and all who know marine the hummer crash hurts him

Originally Posted by GrapeSoda

Thanks for the response, sam. You've got a huge heart for the Turtles, and i respect that.

I hope you can come to respect that some people aren't excited about this variation of what's being done to our beloved Turtle Teens. There's is no need to defend every choice that the studio, director, writers, and producers have made and continue to make for this film. Not everyone will be as excited for the changes made to the franchise (much like the storm that erupted here back when 2012 Nick Turtles were coming to life.....heck, even i was skeptical, but i've come to LOVE that version of the Turtles). The thing a lot of us "haterz" are so adamant about, is that history repeats itself. Especially when it comes to Hollywood.

See that's kind my point too people were so upset about the new nick show and many of them love it now. This could very well be the case with this movie fact is we dont know till the movie comes out. When i say haters Im addressing a select few im not addressing you IM address those who out right hate completely this movie and focus only on talking about their hate. People who had sworn off this movie even before any info came out. that to me make Absolutely no sense if you hate something so much nor even want to bother with giving it the benefit of the doubt, Then why bother i understand many of you are weary because you wanted something more that fine there is nothing wrong with that but if I dislike something that about where it ends I dont spend day in day out complaining about and pointing out ever single aspect i dislike about said thing in a repetitive manor.

Originally Posted by GrapeSoda

My best friend is a HUGE Transformers fan. He owns almost every released figure (US, Europe, and Japan) from every line up to 2005, he owns copies of all the marvel, DW, and IDW comics runs, and every series on DVD. That guys even writes/draws Generation 1 fan fiction comics! Having spent 25 years of my life as his bro, i've learned a LOT about Transformers. When the rumors of the live action film came out, i got a copy of the script...and i felt sad inside. When the film came out, my friends had to persuade me to go see it with a smuggled 40oz and paying for my ticket, and a promise not to say "i told you so" when we left. My best bud was outside protesting the film dressed as Generation 1 Optimus Prime with a sign that says, "guns don't kill people, Megatron does." When we left the theater, my gang of friends all looked at me and said, "don't say a f****n' word!"

Originally Posted by GrapeSoda

If you couldn't tell from my avatar, i am an ENORMOUS G.I.Joe ARAH fan. When word that Steven Sommers was directing the live action film, i was skeptical. I am not a fan of any of his work. So i looked to the writers of the film.....did a bit of research on the script and got my hands on a copy of the original script and the revised Larry Hama version. That script was just insulting on so many levels. Surely the actual movie couldn't be that bad. To this day i still haven't been able to sit through that garbage-fest that is Rise of Cobra. It was streaming on Netflix, and i couldn't make it past the PS2 graphics of the "desert" as Duke and his "best bud" Ripcord headed to the Pit.

See Im a avid fan of both Transformers and GI joe maybe not on the level of you and your friend but i grew up with both(turtles being my favorite) And i personally Enjoy Both franchises I enjoy all the transformers movie and both Gi joe movie. I agree the the first Gi was kind of nuts and not at all what it should have been but there were "entertaining" bits none the less, The second Gi movie was much better the the "Silent interlude" part was perfect and really one of my favorite scenes from a movie.

Originally Posted by GrapeSoda

"Grape, what are you getting at?" you might be asking yourself.

History has shown that Hollywood only cares about name brand recognition and doesn't really care about making quality films. There is absolutely NO REASON, with the HUGE amount of QUALITY stories in these franchises, a great director and team couldn't tell an amazing and engaging story that stays true and earnest to the source material while also be exciting and "rebooted" (just look at marvel movies). With the leaked script and the scenes from the trailer that match up to the action scenes of that "Blue Door" garbage, it leaves a LOT of us fans on edge. We've already been there....and it wasn't pretty.....or at least, it wasn't as pretty as it could have, no, it should have been.

You really dont know what angle they have taken and we wont know for sure until we see the movie comes out. But as many have said what really counts as stay true and what counts as source material Which source the Mirage comics the WOlf series Image comics, Which one they are all very different, and some are more drastic then others.

Originally Posted by GrapeSoda

When there are comic writers and fan fiction writers that create better treatments than the films Hollywood churns out, i think we, as a fan community, should demand better. That is why the "HATERZ" keep commenting on something we LOATHE. We expect and want better from something we love and grew up with. In fact, it has already been done better 24 years ago. Our opinions carry no less weight than yours or anyone else's as a fan. I can safely speak for everyone that is disappointed in what we've seen so far in saying that we DESERVE better. The taste in our mouth right now is not good....and history has shown, that instinct isn't always wrong.

Lets say for the sake of this "argument" That this movie is your worst fears have come life SPlinter is aprils dad turtle are aliens, shredder is an alien, etc etc. That is the movie We're "getting" What does complaining about it do. what are you achieving in complaining? ABout something "you" hate so much.

These forums are A fan forum this thread is a fan thread there are Fans(of the movie) then there are those obviously not fans(of the movie)
Many and i mean many have been pushed away by negativity over this movie, Many have joined these boards to talk and discuss there interest in the movie and many have left. So me that is one of the worse things that can happen to a Fandom is have those who dislike a version so much they Forcefully remove newer would be fans(whether you mean to or not), it alienates people and that's wrong. You know how many new fans both Gi joe and transformers brought to the Fandom how many new open mind willing to explore every version whether is be comics classics toy movies Gen 1 RAH or what ever. Why would anyone want any different? because you dislike like a specific version? One that no one has seen no less.

And i know you may bot be one of those people Or not mean to be one of those people. But i have seen it countless times on these forums. You know how many new member join after new news was shown then the got scalded as plants and thing and Thank goodness the mods did something but the damage was already done I have serveral people on my friends list who have not been on in month afraid to even discuss why they like the film many who dont want to be involved in hearing all the complaints. Which is a shame because this is a Fan board for fans and they are fans of the new MOVIE, and they dont feel they can express their love.

I Mean im a very Open minded person pretty much everyone on these forums knows this by now. I can except thing for what they are even if is dislike them I guess im saying is if i dislike something enough to make me "hate" it i just move on.

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Originally Posted by TigerClaw

I hope they show the Turtle Van in the 2nd trailer.

thats the only thing i want to see in motion, just as much as some combat.

[NYShell]

I really hope the 2nd trailer doesn't even have one shot from the previous trailer. Hoping for brand new footage. Stoked to see it (Please no cheesy Turtle van!)

[GrapeSoda]

Originally Posted by samxsteal

Saw t...snip...they are even if is dislike them I guess im saying is if i dislike something enough to make me "hate" it i just move on.

sam, i'm glad you enjoyed those Transformers films and G.I.Joe films.

i want to point out the adverse effects both series of films had to their respective franchises.

the jumbled junk designs of the Transformers totally bled over into the toy line, the comics, and the animated series. Transformers had been going full force prior to the first movie's release, but the film changed the course of the franchise's momentum. The stitched together plotline and empty characters set the tone for everything in tranformers....even IDW has had trouble righting the sins committed by Bay et al. Even great artists' designs are subjected to jumbled junk treatment of the bot designs. (do you see how this could be negative for TMNT for those who don't like these new turtle designs?)

G.I.Joe is a different story. IDW is the only series that is still on going for Joe. The garbage that was "Rise of Cobra" was but a black blip on the radar in the greater Joeverse, much like G.I.Joe Extreme. It spawned the greatest Joe figs ever in the "Pursuit of Cobra" figure line. A new animated series was spawned....with new versions of many characters, much to the joy of the fans young and old. Then the NEW film happened. All production of the PoC line was halted, Renegades was canceled, and the entire line was put into hiatus. Wave 1 Joe Movies figs flooded retail stores and pegwarmed worse than "arctic destros"....and most stores put off ordering anything more. And what happened next was "teh deth of da line.!11!!!1" There are no more G.I.Joe figures available at retail and it's been that way for almost a year. And as far as Hasbro is concerned, the line is dead outside of a few collector's club overpriced figures.

These are recent and relevant examples of the impact that this film could have on the TMNT franchise. The designs of the Bay/Liebesman joint could bleed over into 2012 and IDW and the ongoing line. or at worse, the movie toys could bomb and collect dust and scare retailers away from ordering future product.

i haven't seen the film...none of has. So i don't know if it is going to be bad or good....but it looks bad so far. It rings true to "Blue Door" and that isn't a good direction for TMNT. If they put off releasing the next few waves of 2012 to make way for over-ordered waves of movie TMNT figs.....*shudder*

[samxsteal]

Originally Posted by NYShell

I really hope the 2nd trailer doesn't even have one shot from the previous trailer. Hoping for brand new footage. Stoked to see it (Please no cheesy Turtle van!)

In al seriousness though I think they will keep some shots fromt he previous trainer I can think of a movie that had two trailer on right after the other that didn't have at least one scene from the previous one lol.

But i would like to see alot more definitely but i bet there will be atleast small clips from the last trailers.

Maybe don and mikey fighting in the lair and splinter Swords swirl.

[samxsteal]

Originally Posted by GrapeSoda

sam, i'm glad you enjoyed those Transformers films and G.I.Joe films.

i want to point out the adverse effects both series of films had to their respective franchises.

the jumbled junk designs of the Transformers totally bled over into the toy line, the comics, and the animated series. Transformers had been going full force prior to the first movie's release, but the film changed the course of the franchise's momentum. The stitched together plotline and empty characters set the tone for everything in tranformers....even IDW has had trouble righting the sins committed by Bay et al. Even great artists' designs are subjected to jumbled junk treatment of the bot designs. (do you see how this could be negative for TMNT for those who don't like these new turtle designs?)

G.I.Joe is a different story. IDW is the only series that is still on going for Joe. The garbage that was "Rise of Cobra" was but a black blip on the radar in the greater Joeverse, much like G.I.Joe Extreme. It spawned the greatest Joe figs ever in the "Pursuit of Cobra" figure line. A new animated series was spawned....with new versions of many characters, much to the joy of the fans young and old. Then the NEW film happened. All production of the PoC line was halted, Renegades was canceled, and the entire line was put into hiatus. Wave 1 Joe Movies figs flooded retail stores and pegwarmed worse than "arctic destros"....and most stores put off ordering anything more. And what happened next was "teh deth of da line.!11!!!1" There are no more G.I.Joe figures available at retail and it's been that way for almost a year. And as far as Hasbro is concerned, the line is dead outside of a few collector's club overpriced figures.

These are recent and relevant examples of the impact that this film could have on the TMNT franchise. The designs of the Bay/Liebesman joint could bleed over into 2012 and IDW and the ongoing line. or at worse, the movie toys could bomb and collect dust and scare retailers away from ordering future product.

i haven't seen the film...none of has. So i don't know if it is going to be bad or good....but it looks bad so far. It rings true to "Blue Door" and that isn't a good direction for TMNT. If they put off releasing the next few waves of 2012 to make way for over-ordered waves of movie TMNT figs.....*shudder*

YEah i get what your saying as far as designs bleeding Into other series, I dont think it would happen maybe a spin off Comic focused on the movie Verse. As far as bleeding into nick show dont see it happening Even if the movie is a hit and is acclaimed the have proven it working with what they got(cant say the same for the movie verse). Transformer was a bit different because the "animated" series was loosing speed and winding down i think they were planning a new series anyway So once the Movie did well they did capitalize on its success. But seeing as Tmnt has already been ordered for three more seasons after this season and how they are creating the story, "re imagining" the look of the turtles isn't likely.

You are right about the gi joe figures But i dont think that was the fault of hasbro or the movie per say, as it is the fault of the stores expecting and over estimating. I loved retaliation Hated renegades loved the figures though the show not so much, Gi joe aren't wanted fugitives, Though i will say i enjoyed aspects of it Because that's just how i am.

I hoping toy store know well enough not to over purchase tmnt movie figures this is bad for any line and what leads to peg warming. I have found that my local walmart and kmart suck at order toy though we live in a spot that isn;t very busy nor heavily Kid oriented and the closest mall(target, TRU, etc, etc) is 45 mins away they order much better but they have a larger childrens Demographic

[DevilSpooky]

Hoping for anything more then an extended version of the Brothers TV spot is wishfull thinking IMO

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Originally Posted by DevilSpooky

Hoping for anything more then an extended version of the Brothers TV spot is wishfull thinking IMO

If by 'extended' you mean 'new footage'...then I'm game.

[unlundun]

Samxsteal, I love your unwavering positivity. You are a light in a sea of negativity! I come here for any news, as this is the most likely place to have it first, but the nitpicking over "what if's" and conjecture is a waste of time and the negativity levels are ...bizarre. TMNT fan for 30 years, not a "newbie" or "casual" this forum just isn't a very friendly place sometimes!

Never surrender Sam!, I am as excited for this film as you are!

[Walkabout]

I admire Sam's passion too but it is very, very tiring when every thread is a samxsteal postathon...no offense mate but try giving it a rest would you?

I don't think that you are going to convince anybody who already dislikes the new movie to think otherwise by ramming your own opinions on it down everybody's throat- all it is achieving (personally) is making me damn sick of seeing your posts everywhere.

You love the new movie and are very, very excited about it- we get it.

Nothing personal dude.

[Puddinpop]

Originally Posted by Walkabout

I admire Sam's passion too but it is very, very tiring when every thread is a samxsteal postathon...no offense mate but try giving it a rest would you?

I don't think that you are going to convince anybody who already dislikes the new movie to think otherwise by ramming your own opinions on it down everybody's throat- all it is achieving (personally) is making me damn sick of seeing your posts everywhere.

You love the new movie and are very, very excited about it- we get it.

Nothing personal dude.

Well that wasn't very nice dude.. He has just as much right to post here as anybody else. And I could be wrong but I haven't seen any rule stating that people are allowed a Max amount of posts here. Trust me there are plenty of members posting blatant negativity all over the place on an hourly basis but who the hell am I or anyone else to tell them to stop posting or to post less? Once AGAIN another pro-film poster singled out and told to shut up. This is why this forum has an ignore button. If you don't like reading someone's posts, Ignore them.

Nothing personal dude.

[Kanon]

Back to the topic again:

We get a second trailer pretty fast.
Is there a possebility of a third trailer, or did they read the thread about GOTG maybe won august and got cold feet?