Episode Discussion S2 #16 "The Lonely Mutation of Baxter Stockman" - Page 7

T-U-R-T-L-E POWA! · 05-05-2014, 07:31 AM

I feel like it's maybe a bit unfair to criticize the ep because the mutagen cured him in just one drop. If you think about it Donnie was really just acting on a theory anyway. I mean anytime there's some new technology people figure out more efficient ways to use it and now maybe Donnie has realized that he doesn't have to have such large quantities. However, it only took a drop in his lab so I can see both sides. Maybe since there was such a small amount of cells on his microscope he might have thought he would need more for a full sized mutant. Man I am being really dissecting for something that happened in a "kids" show. LOL.

T-U-R-T-L-E POWA! · 05-05-2014, 07:34 AM

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Heh, now that you mentioned it. This series likes to take incidents from other series, and just mix it up some. In the OT, April was a half human half cat for an episode, and so it's possible that Shredder might turn Karai into a half cat, to torture Splinter some more.

Yeah I had been thinking that Shredder must either want to mutate himself or Karai but it makes more sense for him to want to mutate Karai because that would be extremely evil. To make her a cat would be the worst.

T-U-R-T-L-E POWA! · 05-05-2014, 07:39 AM

Another plus of this episode is that now maybe all of our Kirby Bat figures will become ultra rare since he's now a man again. LOL.

bridgegrn · 05-05-2014, 07:46 AM

I'm assuming the final mutant Shredder wants will be one that will turn him into the shows version of Super Shredder.

T-U-R-T-L-E POWA! · 05-05-2014, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by bridgegrn

I'm assuming the final mutant Shredder wants will be one that will turn him into the shows version of Super Shredder.

I initially thought that but now I think he's talking about mutating Karai to absolutely do the most evil thing imaginable to Splinter. He just has the greatest motive to mutate Karai I think.

Jon_Talbain · 05-05-2014, 09:51 AM

I am still wondering about Kirby and his mutation. When he was a mutant, he seemed to have some of his memories or at least knew April was someone he loved. But when he turned back human, he didn't remember anything while being a mutant? So ever since he mutated, it was just a blank state?

In "Metalhead Rewired" Donatello even called him Mr. O'Neil and it was like he understood. So that just makes it even more confusing to me.

*VaughnMichael* · 05-05-2014, 10:03 AM

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Does anybody else get a Tom of Finland vibe of this picture?

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I hope that's what they were going for.

I can see that or old porn stars lol

I don't think most people around here would get that though.

JH24 · 05-05-2014, 12:30 PM

And we're back to being dark again. Not one of my favorites and probably not an episode I'll rewatch again.

Had some good developments, and I loved the bit with Donnie gloating to Casey.

I feel sorry for Baxter though, its not quite the levels of the '03 series but he suffers quite some abuse.

Gimme_Three · 05-05-2014, 12:31 PM

great episode. baxterfly is very interesting, I love the way the have him talking and his sudden movements. I hope he retains his intelligence he feels like a bigger threat now.

Punker Don · 05-05-2014, 01:29 PM

Overall, I really liked the episode. It had some great action sequences and a lot of surprisingly tense moments. The intro to this episode really made me gasp. I'm really liking the direction they're taking Baxter-fly. I'm wondering if he will gradually start loosing his mind like he did in the 80s toon. There was also some short but emotional scenes, like Splinter willing to give up his shot at humanity in exchange for Kirby's. I love little touches like that.
Loved the little 80s nods at the beginning, especially the Ace Duck cameo. That made me laugh. Also like the forshadowing of Bebop & Rocksteady.

There were a few things that, while not ruining the episode, did feel a little rushed or lazy. The biggest one, as many have mentioned, is the retro-mutagen. First, Donny makes a big deal over how difficult it is to make it, saying it takes 10 canisters of regular mutagen to make one of retro. Yet Baxter's lab has an HUGH TANK FULL OF THE STUFF! When you think about it, everyone's problems could have been solved by simply explaining the situation. I know Baxter wasn't in the best state of mind, but I think had the Turtles explained it to him, they could have created more than enough retro-mutagen to cure him, Rahzar, Kirby, Splinter, and every other mutant in the city.
Secondly, if one drop was enough to de-mutate someone, why didn't they just carry some in an eyedropper or a small vile that could be tuck inside their belts instead of a giant syringe? Also, why did it need to be a syringe? Every time someone has been mutated, it's been through skin contact. Why would they need to inject it into somebody?

TL;DR: Really good episode, but some lazy writing with the retro-mutagen.

*Electric* · 05-05-2014, 01:51 PM

So shredder wants one more mutant...and we've gotten all the teased ones already, so the next ones something new. Now we get an email talking about a mutated Karai...I'm honestly thinking the last mutant is Karai.

nimajneb · 05-05-2014, 01:56 PM

I think we're going to see it be the newtralizer as we know he's coming don't we? But he's meant to be fighting for the good guys isn't he?

However, in another thread we've seen designs for the Nick versions of Bebop and Rocksteady, and Bebop is a similar build to Fong from the PD's, so perhaps being his bungling and deceptive self maybe Baxterfly creates them anyway as they're meant to appear imminently,
That's just me thinking aloud but whatever Nick do I'm sure they'll score a winner

*Ninjinister* · 05-05-2014, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by nimajneb

I think we're going to see it be the newtralizer as we know he's coming don't we? But he's meant to be fighting for the good guys isn't he?

Newtralizer's already been in an episode so he can't be the "one more mutant" for Baxter to make for Shredder. Also he's partnered up with Slash so no, definitely not a good guy at this point.

*plastroncafe* · 05-05-2014, 02:34 PM

No where near my favorite episode. It seems like the "Mikey Test" grader might have been off his game.

The Donnie/April/Casey thing continues, much to my dismay.
Maybe I expect too much of this show.

nimajneb · 05-05-2014, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Ninjinister

Newtralizer's already been in an episode so he can't be the "one more mutant" for Baxter to make for Shredder. Also he's partnered up with Slash so no, definitely not a good guy at this point.

Newtralizer has been in an episode?
Which one?

*Donatello19* · 05-05-2014, 03:09 PM

MAJOR SPOILER ALERT:

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Originally Posted by nimajneb

Newtralizer has been in an episode?
Which one?

Operation: Breakout (Season 1)

*Electric* · 05-05-2014, 03:39 PM

Just realized that in baxters lab, after he mutated, it shows jars with an eye, a brain and some other organs. Possible nod to what shredder did to Baxter in 2k3?

*BubblyShell22* · 05-05-2014, 04:08 PM

Oooh, I saw those, too, and that was one of my thoughts too. Either that or failed experiments done by Baxter for Shredder.

As for the retromutagen, the way I look at is that Donnie didn't know that one drop would be able to cure someone. He was going off of guesswork and figured it would take the whole vial. Now that he knows better, he can make more and cure more mutants than ever. I'd love to see Slash go back to Spike and definitely see Malachi and Tim go back to normal, too.

Sewer Sirens Podcast · 05-05-2014, 04:33 PM

Okay, here's a problem I have with retro mutagen:

Nothing is permanent anymore.

Now that any mutant can be 'undone', to me at least, it makes the show a little less interesting. Whenever someone ends up being 'mutated', it's not something permanent and substantial anymore. It's not going to be as special or shocking.

That means they can also mutate someone for such a short temporary time to sell a toy, when it's a blatant move TO sell the toy. That's what worries me.

But I'm hoping this isn't where Ciro goes with the retro mutagen. The appearance of retro mutagen may make a few interesting story lines. It would be cool to see Donnie secondarily mutated into a monster down the road (like the 2k3 series), and the turtles have to find a way to make the retro mutagen and return their brother to normal over a period of episodes. And I think the Greg Cipes cameo scene in this episode may be foreshadowing what is to come: at least one of the turtles returns to their original state. It'd be cool for the Shredder to use this against them, and Donnie has to destroy everything that helped him make the retro mutagen.

Bottom Line: I don't want the retro mutagen to be around too long

*CyberCubed* · 05-05-2014, 04:34 PM

Mutants not being permanent has never been the issue with the show. It was always obvious most of the humans would get turned back to normal.

05-05-2014, 07:31 AM	#121
T-U-R-T-L-E POWA! Stone Warrior Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Knoxville,TN Posts: 996	I feel like it's maybe a bit unfair to criticize the ep because the mutagen cured him in just one drop. If you think about it Donnie was really just acting on a theory anyway. I mean anytime there's some new technology people figure out more efficient ways to use it and now maybe Donnie has realized that he doesn't have to have such large quantities. However, it only took a drop in his lab so I can see both sides. Maybe since there was such a small amount of cells on his microscope he might have thought he would need more for a full sized mutant. Man I am being really dissecting for something that happened in a "kids" show. LOL. __________________ Go Ninja! Go Ninja! GO!

05-05-2014, 07:39 AM	#123
T-U-R-T-L-E POWA! Stone Warrior Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Knoxville,TN Posts: 996	Another plus of this episode is that now maybe all of our Kirby Bat figures will become ultra rare since he's now a man again. LOL. __________________ Go Ninja! Go Ninja! GO!

05-05-2014, 09:51 AM	#126
Jon_Talbain Foot Soldier Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 165	I am still wondering about Kirby and his mutation. When he was a mutant, he seemed to have some of his memories or at least knew April was someone he loved. But when he turned back human, he didn't remember anything while being a mutant? So ever since he mutated, it was just a blank state? In "Metalhead Rewired" Donatello even called him Mr. O'Neil and it was like he understood. So that just makes it even more confusing to me. __________________ A wolf....wandering through the dark....

05-05-2014, 01:51 PM	#131
Electric Epic Hiatus Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 2,484	So shredder wants one more mutant...and we've gotten all the teased ones already, so the next ones something new. Now we get an email talking about a mutated Karai...I'm honestly thinking the last mutant is Karai. __________________

05-05-2014, 01:56 PM	#132
nimajneb Stone Warrior Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: South Croydon Posts: 547	One more mutant... I think we're going to see it be the newtralizer as we know he's coming don't we? But he's meant to be fighting for the good guys isn't he? However, in another thread we've seen designs for the Nick versions of Bebop and Rocksteady, and Bebop is a similar build to Fong from the PD's, so perhaps being his bungling and deceptive self maybe Baxterfly creates them anyway as they're meant to appear imminently, That's just me thinking aloud but whatever Nick do I'm sure they'll score a winner __________________ [SIZE="2"] MICHELANGELO I hear his bike turns into a plane, or like a jet pack. Hey Don, you're so smart, why don't we have jet packs? DONATELLO Yeah, that's good, Mikey. I don't even trust you with a driver's license.[/

05-05-2014, 07:46 AM	#124
bridgegrn Foot Soldier Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 247	I'm assuming the final mutant Shredder wants will be one that will turn him into the shows version of Super Shredder.

05-05-2014, 12:30 PM	#128
JH24 Hench Mutant Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 470	And we're back to being dark again. Not one of my favorites and probably not an episode I'll rewatch again. Had some good developments, and I loved the bit with Donnie gloating to Casey. I feel sorry for Baxter though, its not quite the levels of the '03 series but he suffers quite some abuse.

05-05-2014, 12:31 PM	#129
Gimme_Three Foot Soldier Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: maryland Posts: 122	great episode. baxterfly is very interesting, I love the way the have him talking and his sudden movements. I hope he retains his intelligence he feels like a bigger threat now.

05-05-2014, 01:29 PM	#130
Punker Don Random Punk Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Athens, GA Posts: 22	Overall, I really liked the episode. It had some great action sequences and a lot of surprisingly tense moments. The intro to this episode really made me gasp. I'm really liking the direction they're taking Baxter-fly. I'm wondering if he will gradually start loosing his mind like he did in the 80s toon. There was also some short but emotional scenes, like Splinter willing to give up his shot at humanity in exchange for Kirby's. I love little touches like that. Loved the little 80s nods at the beginning, especially the Ace Duck cameo. That made me laugh. Also like the forshadowing of Bebop & Rocksteady. There were a few things that, while not ruining the episode, did feel a little rushed or lazy. The biggest one, as many have mentioned, is the retro-mutagen. First, Donny makes a big deal over how difficult it is to make it, saying it takes 10 canisters of regular mutagen to make one of retro. Yet Baxter's lab has an HUGH TANK FULL OF THE STUFF! When you think about it, everyone's problems could have been solved by simply explaining the situation. I know Baxter wasn't in the best state of mind, but I think had the Turtles explained it to him, they could have created more than enough retro-mutagen to cure him, Rahzar, Kirby, Splinter, and every other mutant in the city. Secondly, if one drop was enough to de-mutate someone, why didn't they just carry some in an eyedropper or a small vile that could be tuck inside their belts instead of a giant syringe? Also, why did it need to be a syringe? Every time someone has been mutated, it's been through skin contact. Why would they need to inject it into somebody? TL;DR: Really good episode, but some lazy writing with the retro-mutagen.

05-05-2014, 03:39 PM	#137
Electric Epic Hiatus Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 2,484	Just realized that in baxters lab, after he mutated, it shows jars with an eye, a brain and some other organs. Possible nod to what shredder did to Baxter in 2k3? __________________ Last edited by Electric; 05-05-2014 at 04:06 PM.

05-05-2014, 04:08 PM	#138
BubblyShell22 Leo-holic Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 16,912	Oooh, I saw those, too, and that was one of my thoughts too. Either that or failed experiments done by Baxter for Shredder. As for the retromutagen, the way I look at is that Donnie didn't know that one drop would be able to cure someone. He was going off of guesswork and figured it would take the whole vial. Now that he knows better, he can make more and cure more mutants than ever. I'd love to see Slash go back to Spike and definitely see Malachi and Tim go back to normal, too. __________________ "A warrior who never fails, never learns."-The Ancient One. "Embrace your inner a**holiness."-Mr. Anderson.

05-05-2014, 04:33 PM	#139
Sewer Sirens Podcast Hench Mutant Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: America Posts: 425	Okay, here's a problem I have with retro mutagen: Nothing is permanent anymore. Now that any mutant can be 'undone', to me at least, it makes the show a little less interesting. Whenever someone ends up being 'mutated', it's not something permanent and substantial anymore. It's not going to be as special or shocking. That means they can also mutate someone for such a short temporary time to sell a toy, when it's a blatant move TO sell the toy. That's what worries me. But I'm hoping this isn't where Ciro goes with the retro mutagen. The appearance of retro mutagen may make a few interesting story lines. It would be cool to see Donnie secondarily mutated into a monster down the road (like the 2k3 series), and the turtles have to find a way to make the retro mutagen and return their brother to normal over a period of episodes. And I think the Greg Cipes cameo scene in this episode may be foreshadowing what is to come: at least one of the turtles returns to their original state. It'd be cool for the Shredder to use this against them, and Donnie has to destroy everything that helped him make the retro mutagen. Bottom Line: I don't want the retro mutagen to be around too long __________________ Grady Sewer Sirens Podcast [email protected] Check us out on iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/...725309366?mt=2 Follow us on Twitter: @SewerSirens https://twitter.com/sewersirens Here's our site: http://www.podomatic.com/profile/sewersirenspodcast Here's our blog: http://sewersirens.blogspot.com

05-05-2014, 04:34 PM	#140
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,896	Mutants not being permanent has never been the issue with the show. It was always obvious most of the humans would get turned back to normal.