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Originally Posted by samxsteal

it was in Karais Twitter or Instagram
She mentions being stuck in shredders dojo While on set of the movie


The Seppuku IS from an extra who played a foot, they filmed a seen in shredder "thrown room" and some one commits seppuku in traditional Japanese clothing.

wow really?!

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

Originally Posted by samxsteal

do they tell you about the feud in the marketing of the original movie? no they believed it was just common thing and let them assume it

the difference is in 1990, we didn't start out with scripts,comments, cast that led us to believe otherwise

Saki was Saki not Sachs

also shredder was japanese not a white dude obsessed with japanese culture

[samxsteal]

Originally Posted by SwiftNinjaFox

As others noted, I think it's a question of where's the connection for Splinter and the turtles. How does Splinter know ninjutsu, etc.

So far, all of your examples support Eric Sachs being obsessed with Japanese and samurai/ninja culture, but nothing supports why Splinter and the turtles share that connection.

Unless that's just a similar fighting style to the ancient turtle warriors of Dimension X. I kid, I kid!!!

But that's really where the big blank spot with a ? is right now. They've seemed to scrap all the traditional Japanese connections for the turtles, so it's unclear how any of their side fits in.



The original didn't alter their origin and change Shredder to a caucasian with an American name. There's more present that we know about the new one to incur a head scratch.

Not to say it can't be there. Just that right now, it's unclear why the turtles know ninjutsu from Splinter and why there's a Japanese connection for them.

I just think some fans are over thinking things they think there is this huge missing point when in fact likely there isn't. Seeing as they're taking inspiration from all other versions that they could piece together something that makes since.

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

No, but that movie didn't whitewash Shredder/Oroku Saki.

And have there not been plenty of options where a white shredder could work in the story

I understand white washing is bad its terrible but its what we got. with that what options do they have to still keep with the "Original" story line to make it work

Tengu shredder Utrom shredder, Feud ala Snake eyes storm shadow, Etc etc

[slingtheory]

Originally Posted by samxsteal

-the shredder armor
-mural
-all the japanese symbols all over the sets
-Japanese foot symbol on the uniforms
-Traditional Japanese seppuku ceremony
-traditional Gis
-Karai
-Shredders Dojo

Yup no Japanese ties any where to be found

the question isn't if any Japanese stuff is in there but rather why is it there. like candykappa said theres nothing so far that hints a rivalry between two ninja masters that started in japan. the shredder is no longer of Japanese descent and splinter sounds perfectly American. all those things you listed seem like there only there because we expect them to be. nothing shows any concrete ties to japan or even ninjas really

Originally Posted by samxsteal

I just think some fans are over thinking things they think there is this huge missing point when in fact likely there isn't. Seeing as they're taking inspiration from all other versions that they could piece together something that makes since.

the only two version its safe to say they've taking inspiration from is the 80's toon and the nick one. anything we assume has been taken from anywhere else is only based on speculation right now. id say it more than makes sense to think about this as theres no basis for it anywhere in any turtle lore. as of now how or even if the turtles in this film have a connection to japan and ninjitsu is a very valid topic of discussion that may or may not have a satisfactory answer

Originally Posted by samxsteal

And have there not been plenty of options where a white shredder could work in the story

I understand white washing is bad its terrible but its what we got. with that what options do they have to still keep with the "Original" story line to make it work

Tengu shredder Utrom shredder, Feud ala Snake eyes storm shadow, Etc etc

it "working" under any of those circumstances is subjective. personally I still see it as jumping through hoops to justify casting bay's buddy.

[SwiftNinjaFox]

Originally Posted by samxsteal

it was in Karais Twitter or Instagram
She mentions being stuck in shredders dojo While on set of the movie


The Seppuku IS from an extra who played a foot, they filmed a seen in shredder "thrown room" and some one commits seppuku in traditional Japanese clothing.

See, I don't get why they wouldn't use this sort of stuff in the movie. So far they've shown nothing "ninja" about the movie at all compared to assault rifles in almost every shot of the bad guys. Even in the teaser, I think you'd want to show both, just for that "huh, ninjas and military? What's this about?" factor.

I wish they'd do a trailer somewhere along the road that names off the turtles with each of them doing some flashy show off with their weapons like we usually get in each cartoon intro or during the explanation of their origin.

[samxsteal]

Originally Posted by The Boston Ninja Turtle

the difference is in 1990, we didn't start out with scripts,comments, cast that led us to believe otherwise

Saki was Saki not Sachs

also shredder was japanese not a white dude obsessed with japanese culture

we also didn't have the internet for people to find leaks and misleading info about movies. either, never once in the trailer do they reference shredder as Oroku Saki, Its assumed.

Do we no he is never reference as Oroku Saki or that Oroku Saki isn't in the movie nope

Do we know he is Just a white guy who obsessed with Japanese culture or does he have a major connection that people aren't even trying to find?

Originally Posted by slingtheory

the question isn't if any Japanese stuff is in there but rather why is it there. like candykappa said theres nothing so far that hints a rivalry between two ninja masters that started in japan. the shredder is no longer of Japanese descent and splinter sounds perfectly American. all those things you listed seem like there only there because we expect them to be. nothing shows any concrete ties to japan or even ninjas really

And neither was there in the Original movie trailer either

seriously Doubt there just there because we think they should be, its not like the purposely made everyone american and then were like crap we need to throw in some Japanese stuff cuz we forgot they were Japanese. If its there its there for a reason.

[SwiftNinjaFox]

Originally Posted by samxsteal

Feud ala Snake eyes storm shadow

I could actually be very okay with a Sachs/Yoshi feud like Storm Shadow and Snake Eyes, only with the American actually being the bad guy in this case! Would I prefer the Saki/Nagi angle? Yes, but if we're changing it to this version and went with a new feud, I'd be okay with that more than a lot of other possibilities.


To be fair, why were they ninja in the scrapped script when they weren't from Earth, let alone Japan? Because Hollywood be crazy!

[samxsteal]

Originally Posted by SwiftNinjaFox

See, I don't get why they wouldn't use this sort of stuff in the movie. So far they've shown nothing "ninja" about the movie at all compared to assault rifles in almost every shot of the bad guys. Even in the teaser, I think you'd want to show both, just for that "huh, ninjas and military? What's this about?" factor.

I wish they'd do a trailer somewhere along the road that names off the turtles with each of them doing some flashy show off with their weapons like we usually get in each cartoon intro or during the explanation of their origin.

Cuz there saving alot of it for Closer to release.

Lets not do spiderman marketing which gives away way to much. I love the movie but the marketing was so over board it was counter productive just abo0ut everyone on line agrees with this as well.

Could they have handles thing better sure but there holding their cards closely foir what ever reason they have a reason.

Im sure come Summer June july there will be enough info to keep fans interested. plenty

I just dont want them to push it like Spiderman or xmen are doing

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

Originally Posted by samxsteal

we also didn't have the internet for people to find leaks and misleading info about movies. either, never once in the trailer do they reference shredder as Oroku Saki, Its assumed.

back then that stuff didnt need to be spilled out because filmmakers trusted the source, you have to remember the 1990 movie was an independent film

this is a major hollywood blockbuster, so these changes are going to be questioned , and right now these changes have no merit other than the "change for the sake of change"

seriously Doubt there just there because we think they should be, its not like the purposely made everyone american and then were like crap we need to throw in some Japanese stuff cuz we forgot they were Japanese. If its there its there for a reason.

you are giving hollywood way to much credit..this happens all the time

[SwiftNinjaFox]

I dunno...Spider-Man turned out to show less since they didn't use half of the trailers

I haven't seen much from X-Men. Mostly the same footage in every trailer. Granted, they released the opening 6 minutes, but otherwise nothing.

Still, I think it would be better to establish what the movie is about. Right now, the teaser tells you its about a white guy wanting to rid the city of crime, a girl who meets mutated turtles who are at war with a military unit.

What in that seems like TMNT? It just seems like a weird approach for the teaser where showing SOMETHING ninja/martial arts mixed in, particularly on the Foot side, would throw a twist in there to me. If there were traditional ninjas, the military footage would be more intriguing to me than it currently is.

[electric_sheep]

Originally Posted by samxsteal

Cuz there saving alot of it for Closer to release.

Lets not do spiderman marketing which gives away way to much. I love the movie but the marketing was so over board it was counter productive just abo0ut everyone on line agrees with this as well.

Could they have handles thing better sure but there holding their cards closely foir what ever reason they have a reason.

Im sure come Summer June july there will be enough info to keep fans interested. plenty

I just dont want them to push it like Spiderman or xmen are doing

How can you still keep your optimism up after all the horrible things that they have done?

[samxsteal]

Originally Posted by SwiftNinjaFox

I could actually be very okay with a Sachs/Yoshi feud like Storm Shadow and Snake Eyes, only with the American actually being the bad guy in this case! Would I prefer the Saki/Nagi angle? Yes, but if we're changing it to this version and went with a new feud, I'd be okay with that more than a lot of other possibilities.


To be fair, why were they ninja in the scrapped script when they weren't from Earth, let alone Japan? Because Hollywood be crazy!

THey havent really used the Saki/ Nagi Angle in much wasn't in the wolf series or the OG movies, or 2k3, nor was Nagi a part of Nicks Feud




THis is true Ninjas in anything make it better lol ^_^ i really want a BAd ass Just ninja movie as well, but I dont see it happening anytime soon

Originally Posted by electric_sheep

How can you still keep your optimism up after all the horrible things that they have done?

Like what?

[SwiftNinjaFox]

Originally Posted by samxsteal

THey havent really used the Saki/ Nagi Angle in much wasn't in the wolf series or the OG movies, or 2k3, nor was Nagi a part of Nicks Feud

I think the inclusion of Nagi makes Splinter seem less of a good guy and more morally gray as a result of the repeating cycle of vengeance, so they don't use it.....but it's classic ninja story stuff to have it that way.


Totally unrelated, but if I were in any position of control at Marvel Studios, I would have a kid holding a jar with turtles in the origin scene of the Netflix Daredevil series, just as a little easter egg and a nod towards another property. Not enough to get sued, but enough to acknowledge it.

[electric_sheep]

Originally Posted by samxsteal

Like what?

oh man, do i really have to list it all? you alredy know it...

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

sam, watch the first trailer we got without the eyes of a fan, i mean really try ,remove all knowledge you have of tmnt and watch it


as a member of the general audience without the TMNT name could you tell it was turtles without Mikey and Leo showing up?

thats the issue, its not that the movie is good or bad its the lack of recognition for the franchise

[samxsteal]

Originally Posted by The Boston Ninja Turtle

sam, watch the first trailer we got without the eyes of a fan, i mean really try ,remove all knowledge you have of tmnt and watch it


as a member of the general audience with the TMNT name could you tell it was turtles without Mikey and Leo showing up?

thats the issue, its not that the movie is good or bad its the lack of recognition for the franchise

Sure if you the the TMNT out of a TMNT trailer it wouldn't be TMNT same goes for any TMNT trailer.

With everything we have seen zTo me its very reminiscent of 2k3 turtles with hints or mirage IDW, with heavy wolf influences.

[slingtheory]

Originally Posted by samxsteal

we also didn't have the internet for people to find leaks and misleading info about movies. either, never once in the trailer do they reference shredder as Oroku Saki, Its assumed.

Do we no he is never reference as Oroku Saki or that Oroku Saki isn't in the movie nope

Do we know he is Just a white guy who obsessed with Japanese culture or does he have a major connection that people aren't even trying to find?



And neither was there in the Original movie trailer either.

the difference being that back then we had no reason to think that it wouldn't be. there were visible scenes of the foot looking about the same as they appeared in the comics and it didn't show much of the shredder but there was not reason to assume they changed his race or motivations. this movie on the other hand has made a big deal of casting a caucasian actor in the role and giving him an Americanized version of the originals name and all we've seen of his "clan" so far is walking in military formation with assault rifles with a brief scene of some sword swinging.

Originally Posted by samxsteal

seriously Doubt there just there because we think they should be, its not like the purposely made everyone american and then were like crap we need to throw in some Japanese stuff cuz we forgot they were Japanese. If its there its there for a reason.

you give Hollywood way too much credit. that sounds definitely like something that could happen with the wrong team of filmmakers involved.

Originally Posted by samxsteal

Cuz there saving alot of it for Closer to release.

Lets not do spiderman marketing which gives away way to much. I love the movie but the marketing was so over board it was counter productive just abo0ut everyone on line agrees with this as well.

Could they have handles thing better sure but there holding their cards closely foir what ever reason they have a reason.

Im sure come Summer June july there will be enough info to keep fans interested. plenty

I just dont want them to push it like Spiderman or xmen are doing

maybe that's the case. I still find it hard to believe that this would be the first summer blockbuster in awhile to hold their cards this close to it chest knowing how many people are either angry at it, underwhelmed by it or have completely written it off. I think that if they thought they had something that could win people over they would be showing it.

[samxsteal]

Originally Posted by electric_sheep

oh man, do i really have to list it all? you alredy know it...

Things you call horrible i call lack of info or Personal Opinions,

Turtle look I love as do many.
Origins have heavy ties to all version of tmnt mixed into one
Casting I love
Tone I love


As do many others.

Some disagree others do not

Originally Posted by slingtheory

maybe that's the case. I still find it hard to believe that this would be the first summer blockbuster in awhile to hold their cards this close to it chest knowing how many people are either angry at it, underwhelmed by it or have completely written it off. I think that if they thought they had something that could win people over they would be showing it.

Like they did with Spider-man Look how that turned out Personally love the movie think its leaps and bounds better then the first trilogy Better actors better cast better story everything, but there marketing pushed it to far Had they held there card closer they might have fared better.

Paramount just markets their movies a specific way, At least lately.

[slingtheory]

Originally Posted by samxsteal

Things you call horrible i call lack of info or Personal Opinions,

Turtle look I love as do many.
Origins have heavy ties to all version of tmnt mixed into one
Casting I love
Tone I love


As do many others.

Some disagree others do not

alright sam I don't want you to think this is an attack. I'm just curious so im asking a question. how does the origin have all versions mixed into one?

Originally Posted by samxsteal

Like they did with Spider-man Look how that turned out Personally love the movie think its leaps and bounds better then the first trilogy Better actors better cast better story everything, but there marketing pushed it to far Had they held there card closer they might have fared better.

Paramount just markets their movies a specific way, At least lately.

how did it work out. isn't it the number one movie in America right now? its getting some criticism on how it wasn't exactly the movie shown in the trailers but most of it is directed at the negative effect sonys expanded universe seed planting had on it . people still went out and saw it regardless

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

Originally Posted by slingtheory

the difference being that back then we had no reason to think that it wouldn't be. there were visible scenes of the foot looking about the same as they appeared in the comics and it didn't show much of the shredder but there was not reason to assume they changed his race or motivations. this movie on the other hand has made a big deal of casting a caucasian actor in the role and giving him an Americanized version of the originals name and all we've seen of his "clan" so far is walking in military formation with assault rifles with a brief scene of some sword swinging.

also in the 1990 film didnt give shredder a face..he was The Shredder, this is a guy named Eric who somehow is connected to the shredder

the trailers show us his face, something the other movies didnt, they kept that suspense

Originally Posted by samxsteal

Sure if you the the TMNT out of a TMNT trailer it wouldn't be TMNT same goes for any TMNT trailer.

With everything we have seen zTo me its very reminiscent of 2k3 turtles with hints or mirage IDW, with heavy wolf influences.

sam, really, go watch it without the eyes of a fan, from one friend to another...remove the knowledge from yourself not the trailer


this is what alot of us have issue, there is no brand recognition..it will be a shame if down the line someone can edit all the turtles parts to one youtube 2 minute vid like transformers