The NEW Official Trailer Discussion

[electric_sheep]

Originally Posted by tmntmikey23

how come in every post i read not just from you but everyone hates this movie you said you hate it cus there is no ninja moves in a promo ethers just complain why MBay Ruined my child hood PS just saying not just on this forum. this forum was more friendly before this movie but now there is no more fun its just complain there complaint here come on guys i like your opinions but do you got to say i hate this movie cus there was no ninja moves in a promo ? i am not trying to start a fight i just want a answer so PM me it ok i dont want this thread closed.

first: Join Date: Jan 2014, so you can't possibly know how this forum was like before the movie.

Secondly: No one was saying none of those things, no one's hating on michael bay, we were haveing something called "A discusion".

Thirdly: You are just being an ass now...

[tmntmikey23]

i have no problem with this movie i am just waiting for it to come out dont agree oh well. i mean these movie turtles look just like a real life mutant turtle maybe you guys dont like it cus its been YEARS sense they had a live film and ant use to it.

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

Originally Posted by Warhorse

Well, to be fair, GOTG has had only one teaser out now, but it doesn't help much that it seems to have explained it's characters and action alot more than three snippets from TMNT have.

That's my point. GOTG, just from one teaser, has shown Action, a lot of Cool-looking action (and it's not just fights that I'm talking about, but actual Action...even 21 Jump Street's trailer had shown more Explosions and Action when it first released its' trailer than 3 pieces of media from this flick) as well as stuff with characters (funny humor and such...not just 1 lame 'mask' joke) and a solid sense of the story. As well as a Tone. Just from 1 teaser and yet the new Turtles couldn't show any 'cool action' or 'actually funny humor' or even a Tone (people who say 'this has a dark tone', I don't get. I guess it's maybe 'Shot In the Dark' but Dark Tone? disagree) in 3 pieces of promotion.

So either their movie is screwed up, or their marketing people are screwing up. Or both. And all have happened countless times in Hollywood.

And by the way, to people who act like Producers have no say/power...there are countless times when that is not the case.

Just look at the Sylvester Stallone film Bullet to the Head. That was supposed to star Thomas Jane, but he got fired because he was 'too white'. In other words, the Producer Joel Silver (not the star Stallone, or the director, but Producer), wanted 'a more ethnic guy to partner up with Sly since it has worked before in films like 48 Hours and Lethal Weapon'.

So those who keep asking 'why mention Michael Bay'? The bigger name gets the most power. Even Expendables 2, you think director Simon West had power when every actor in interviews always talked about how producer/star Sly 'wanted this' and 'wanted that' but never, ever mentioned the director? And of course, countless stories of Spielberg as producer of films getting his way/influence.

It happens, countless times. People who don't think it happens? You're just fooling yourself and that's not meant to be in a rude way but just in a 'this happens way too many times in Hollywood to the point it is a common occurrence' sort of way.

[Sumac]

If this turns out to be a success it just shows that people are stupid enough to eat up whatever crap you throw at them.

Or just that general audience want to see entertaining movie. They lack of interest in the mythology of the Turtles doesn't make them dumb or whatever.

[samxsteal]

Originally Posted by Ramboraph4life aka Matt

Am I the only one who thinks it is strange that a 'Big Budget, Summer Action Movie' has had 2 trailers and a TV spot, and it seems that all of these so far have barely had any Action in them? And yet people say that it's a film 'filled with action'.

Or at least action that is supposed to be the 'Oh cool!' stuff that a lot of Summer Action Films are supposed to have...

So even in the 'Big/Dumb Action' Category, there's barely been anything and yet so many people are Excited for 'All of This Action'.

And it's like, what action? I guess people were really impressed by that 'Raph-Smash' because that's like the only thing seen so far. Oh, and a tower falls (which I guess we've never seen before...I guess).

Im sorry I keep saying we have plenty of time I understand 3 months seems like a long time but its not Apes JUst got a second trailer.

With a movie like this that is so heavy in the CGI for the title character who are the main focus, they are still deep into the animating process I am 100% possitive we will be flooded with info come June and July, whether is trailers, poster, a merchindise there will be plenty People saying that every movie has to market years in advanced are lying to them selves I have talk to multiple "insiders" and 5-3 Month marketing is normal for most movie anyone who says other wise is lying to them selves.

Just for Comparison Check Out paramount movie from the post year - two years, And compare there first trailer release Vs there Theatrical Release The longest amount of time between the two was 8 months for i think it was two movie and both movie ended up being delayed for several months.

Both Apes movies Which are on an almost identicall Release schedule of eachother are much shorted then you realise. Like i said above they just released their second trailer which releases in july, And one major aspect of this is because of the Heavy CGI of the main characters Wonder why it focuses mostly on the human aspect of a movie who will focus a larger portion of time on Ceaser, Because the animtating of these character takes so much time.

Animating for the TMNT movie is likely to last pretty much up until release they aren't going to want to release a trailer that is slightly unfinished. Yeah some times they do but they dont like to either. They would much rather release Finished product then to release half done moc ups.

So it would work much better to release there big trailer closer to release, That and look at spiderman Way to much way to early

[electric_sheep]

Originally Posted by samxsteal

Im sorry I keep saying we have plenty of time I understand 3 months seems like a long time but its not Apes JUst got a second trailer.

With a movie like this that is so heavy in the CGI for the title character who are the main focus, they are still deep into the animating process I am 100% possitive we will be flooded with info come June and July, whether is trailers, poster, a merchindise there will be plenty People saying that every movie has to market years in advanced are lying to them selves I have talk to multiple "insiders" and 5-3 Month marketing is normal for most movie anyone who says other wise is lying to them selves.

Just for Comparison Check Out paramount movie from the post year - two years, And compare there first trailer release Vs there Theatrical Release The longest amount of time between the two was 8 months for i think it was two movie and both movie ended up being delayed for several months.

Both Apes movies Which are on an almost identicall Release schedule of eachother are much shorted then you realise. Like i said above they just released their second trailer which releases in july, And one major aspect of this is because of the Heavy CGI of the main characters Wonder why it focuses mostly on the human aspect of a movie who will focus a larger portion of time on Ceaser, Because the animtating of these character takes so much time.

Animating for the TMNT movie is likely to last pretty much up until release they aren't going to want to release a trailer that is slightly unfinished. Yeah some times they do but they dont like to either. They would much rather release Finished product then to release half done moc ups.

So it would work much better to release there big trailer closer to release, That and look at spiderman Way to much way to early

A movie is finished waaay before the realese so they have time for marketing...

[SwiftNinjaFox]

Normally, though the final touches CAN come down to the wire.

Heck, one of the Bourne movies did a reshoot a couple weeks before theatrical release.

Still, I'd think they should have more footage and stills ready to show off by now.

And yeah, some don't market until closer to release, but...

Captain America: Winter Soldier - July 2013, Teaser poster showing the discolored shield
Amazing Spider-Man 2 - July 2013, Sony released a clip from the film
Godzilla - T-Shirts handed out in 2010 at SDCC, poster and teaser trailer in 2012
X-Men: Days of Future Past - June 2013 set tour with Singer as the tour guide.
Maleficent - August 2013 first look unveiled
Transformers 4 - January 2014, SUPER BOWL Commercial
Dawn of the Planet of the Apes - Viral marketing began in July 2013
Guardians of the Galaxy - first footage revealed in August 2013
TMNT - Teaser trailer shown in March 2014 (and teaser posters released AFTER the teaser trailer?!?)

So you can argue all you want citing other examples, but this year's line up of summer blockbusters suggests that 5 months is not "standard" for marketing campaigns.

[MajorViolence]

Originally Posted by electric_sheep

A movie is finished waaay before the realese so they have time for marketing...

I keep saying this, but Sam refuses to believe it.

Originally Posted by SwiftNinjaFox

Normally, though the final touches CAN come down to the wire.

Heck, one of the Bourne movies did a reshoot a couple weeks before theatrical release.

Still, I'd think they should have more footage and stills ready to show off by now.

They'll be tweaking and perfecting the footage down to the very last minute, but they should have plenty of footage that is close enough to completion by now. They're not showing us footage because they're not ramping up promotion just yet.

[graphic_content]

Originally Posted by electric_sheep

A movie is finished waaay before the realese so they have time for marketing...

Not always the case...I followed the Hobbit production blogs...and they were working right up till the end.

[electric_sheep]

Originally Posted by graphic_content

Not always the case...I followed the Hobbit production blogs...and they were working right up till the end.

Well you can't compare the hobbit to this, they have only 4 turtles to animate and hobbit has 3 three hour movies that are shooting back to back, i folow those too.

[MajorViolence]

Originally Posted by graphic_content

Not always the case...I followed the Hobbit production blogs...and they were working right up till the end.

Pretty much every CGI-heavy movie works right up to the end. Thing is, most of the later production is tweaking and perfecting the footage. Just look at the differences we saw between the trailers for this film. They've added additional snow and tweaked the character models. At this point, the basic footage is all mapped out and at least reasonably close to finished. All they need is someone to pick some shots they want to use in advertising and the animators will put some extra work into those particular scenes so they can be shown to the public. Even that footage will see additional tweaking before the final film is released, but at least that way they're able to show footage in trailers while putting their best work into the final film.

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

and as i have said before the editors of the trailers are NOT the same editors for the movie.


and not every trailer is the same guy (although in this case it may be since 2 of them are so close to the same thing)

so its not like they are working double time

most of the guys i went to school with edit more trailers than they do films some have never even touched a full movie

[tmntmikey23]

I keep saying this, but Sam refuses to believe it.

i agree with sam i refuses to agree with you

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

Originally Posted by electric_sheep

A movie is finished waaay before the realese so they have time for marketing...

Originally Posted by MajorViolence

I keep saying this, but Sam refuses to believe it.

so have I but just keep getting brushed off as if this movie is different in time frame of production

Originally Posted by tmntmikey23

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i agree with sam i refuses to agree with you

you do realize they are both right...and i have said it myself....many times

[samxsteal]

Originally Posted by electric_sheep

A movie is finished waaay before the realese so they have time for marketing...

I have heard From sevral People some currently working On films who also do animation that this is not true especially for a movie such as TMNT

Originally Posted by SwiftNinjaFox

Normally, though the final touches CAN come down to the wire.

Heck, one of the Bourne movies did a reshoot a couple weeks before theatrical release.

Still, I'd think they should have more footage and stills ready to show off by now.

And yeah, some don't market until closer to release, but...

Captain America: Winter Soldier - July 2013, Teaser poster showing the discolored shield
Amazing Spider-Man 2 - July 2013, Sony released a clip from the film
Godzilla - T-Shirts handed out in 2010 at SDCC, poster and teaser trailer in 2012
X-Men: Days of Future Past - June 2013 set tour with Singer as the tour guide.
Maleficent - August 2013 first look unveiled
Transformers 4 - January 2014, SUPER BOWL Commercial
Dawn of the Planet of the Apes - Viral marketing began in July 2013
Guardians of the Galaxy - first footage revealed in August 2013
TMNT - Teaser trailer shown in March 2014 (and teaser posters released AFTER the teaser trailer?!?)

So you can argue all you want citing other examples, but this year's line up of summer blockbusters suggests that 5 months is not "standard" for marketing campaigns.

Im sorry I dont care what a couple of movie Did compare to a much larger chunk of movie have done and are currently doing. And hearing pretty much straight from the horses mouth that YOU are in fact wrong well im sorry but im not about to believe YOU over people working in the industry sorry

Originally Posted by MajorViolence

I keep saying this, but Sam refuses to believe it.

They'll be tweaking and perfecting the footage down to the very last minute, but they should have plenty of footage that is close enough to completion by now. They're not showing us footage because they're not ramping up promotion just yet.

Dude I have heard this FROM PEOPLE WORKING ON MOVIES similar to TMNT im not about to believe a bunch of impatient people on the internest over people like them sorry just not going to happen you can think all you want doesn't make it true I think the people working in that industry working on movies know more then you.

Originally Posted by graphic_content

Not always the case...I followed the Hobbit production blogs...and they were working right up till the end.

Exactly

Originally Posted by MajorViolence

Pretty much every CGI-heavy movie works right up to the end. Thing is, most of the later production is tweaking and perfecting the footage. Just look at the differences we saw between the trailers for this film. They've added additional snow and tweaked the character models. At this point, the basic footage is all mapped out and at least reasonably close to finished. All they need is someone to pick some shots they want to use in advertising and the animators will put some extra work into those particular scenes so they can be shown to the public. Even that footage will see additional tweaking before the final film is released, but at least that way they're able to show footage in trailers while putting their best work into the final film.

WHY would a company want to Release something that Was Half Finished And not final. Yes some Companies do But do you think they like to? NO they dont? it like false advertising. Why send a shot out on a trailer, and it not be in the movie? That in its self is bad marketing ALA SPIDERMAN, you look back and see all the mistakes made during there marketing it amazing how much they did wrong.

And June and July is still more then enough Time

Originally Posted by The Boston Ninja Turtle

and as i have said before the editors of the trailers are NOT the same editors for the movie.


and not every trailer is the same guy (although in this case it may be since 2 of them are so close to the same thing)

so its not like they are working double time

most of the guys i went to school with edit more trailers than they do films some have never even touched a full movie

Doesn't matter If the footage Isn't animated To the extent in which the production is happy they aren't going to send it out to "trailer Editors" sorry just not going to happen.

Originally Posted by The Boston Ninja Turtle

so have I but just keep getting brushed off as if this movie is different in time frame of production

you do realize they are both right...and i have said it myself....many times

I know your proud of what you have done, and you should be But i dont think you knowledge Is as Good As the people I have gotten Information from, Sorry

I've been told Countless times June, July are the months that matter Whether you think so, or believe isn't true or not. Im sorry But i trust the People i have talked to More. Sorry, Your not an animator, You haven't work "heavily" in a big budget film, You've never work on anything close to resembling TMNT movie. Im sorry but i trust these people over you.

[MajorViolence]

Originally Posted by The Boston Ninja Turtle

you do realize they are both right...and i have said it myself....many times

It's completely pointless trying to reason with him. I mean, it's not like anyone else on this forum besides him knows anyone who's worked in film and animation. We're all just ignorant fools.

[samxsteal]

Originally Posted by MajorViolence

It's completely pointless trying to reason with him. I mean, it's not like anyone else on this forum besides him knows anyone who's worked in film and animation. We're all just ignorant fools.

You can believe what you want I know My facts are true just because you do "agree" with these facts doesn't make them untrue sorry, We'll see once the large marketing happens I've heard July, but others have heard June, You can be all impatient because you cant wait that's fine. believe what you want. lol

Heck "sources" say June and these "sources" were right about every bit of Marketing up to this point so Meh Im not mad lol

[MajorViolence]

What, are you expecting us to argue that we won't be seeing any footage in June? Because I don't recall anyone saying that at all.

[samxsteal]

Originally Posted by MajorViolence

What, are you expecting us to argue that we won't be seeing any footage in June? Because I don't recall anyone saying that at all.

They're Called "sources" for a reason lol. Just because you haven't heard it doesn't mean others haven't, who know who to talk to lol

[MajorViolence]

Originally Posted by samxsteal

They're Called "sources" for a reason lol. Just because you haven't heard it doesn't mean others haven't, who know who to talk to lol

That is in no way an appropriate response to my post. I can only assume you misread it.