The NEW Official Trailer Discussion

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

Originally Posted by samxsteal

Sorry, Your not an animator, You haven't work "heavily" in a big budget film, You've never work on anything close to resembling TMNT movie. Im sorry but i trust these people over you.

you are right i am not an animator


I am a puppeteer

https://www.facebook.com/JulioRoblesPuppeteer



i have to Make Socks and Stuffed animals come to life..WITHOUT the use of special effects

sometimes in the comfort of a studio or on set outdoors
sometimes in front of a live stage audience which include kids who need to believe these things are alive
sometimes its through a big company or some other studio. or some inde director




and yes even sometimes under some of your all time favorite characters

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SzyhpgeJf4

so dont just brush off my words as some "whiner" who cant wait because you don't like what i say..i actually know what i am talking about


and double yes that is me

[samxsteal]

Originally Posted by MajorViolence

That is in no way an appropriate response to my post. I can only assume you misread it.

MK Sorry, No im not expecting you to agrue that. Im saying once we get the trailers that show case everything(june/july) we can finally put to rest this whole "I dont think they're animating the turtles" thing. Because from what i have heard this is Almost exactly the reason why were haven't seen much. Added to the fact that. From what i have been told. 5-3 months is normal and exceptable.

Sp all the Arguments about them Marketing poorly As far as i have heard(from people who matter) aren't true, and i have heard this from COUNTLESS people.

[samxsteal]

Originally Posted by The Boston Ninja Turtle

you are right i am not an animator


I am a puppeteer

https://www.facebook.com/JulioRoblesPuppeteer

https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hpho...9968_241_n.jpg

i have to Make Socks and Stuffed animals come to life..WITHOUT the use of special effects

sometimes in the comfort of a studio or on set outdoors
sometimes in front of a live stage audience which include kids who need to believe these things are alive
sometimes its through a big company or some other studio. or some inde director


https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hpho...778_6593_n.jpg

and yes even sometimes under some of your all time favorite characters

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SzyhpgeJf4

so dont just brush off my words as some "whiner" who cant wait because you don't like what i say..i actually know what i am talking about


and double yes that is me

Sorry I admire Your Background and your extensive Resume. Still stands everyone i have talked to Except you. Have said other wise Sorry, and i trust them more. They understand Animation on movie similar to tmnt I would think they Know what they are talking about, Yes you can say you know about movie similar in nature to say Muppets Or other movie which include puppeteering, but not animation.

[MajorViolence]

Originally Posted by samxsteal

MK Sorry, No im not expecting you to agrue that. Im saying once we get the trailers that show case everything(june/july) we can finally put to rest this whole "I dont think they're animating the turtles" thing. Because from what i have heard this is Almost exactly the reason why were haven't seen much. Added to the fact that. From what i have been told. 5-3 months is normal and exceptable.

Sp all the Arguments about them Marketing poorly As far as i have heard(from people who matter) aren't true, and i have heard this from COUNTLESS people.

But no one is saying they're not animating the turtles. We're saying the animation isn't the reason they're not promoting. They easily have enough CG to put a full-blown marketing campaign together by now. They're choosing not to.

I sent a message to a friend who's worked as the lead animator on multiple films. I'm interested to hear what he has to say.

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

Originally Posted by samxsteal

Sorry I admire Your Background and your extensive Resume. Still stands everyone i have talked to Except you. Have said other wise Sorry, and i trust them more. They understand Animation on movie similar to tmnt I would think they Know what they are talking about, Yes you can say you know about movie similar in nature to say Muppets Or other movie which include puppeteering, but not animation.

notice i didnt say animation in my first post..i was talking about the Movie itself as a whole.....not once did i say anything about animation

[samxsteal]

Originally Posted by MajorViolence

But no one is saying they're not animating the turtles. We're saying the animation isn't the reason they're not promoting. They easily have enough CG to put a full-blown marketing campaign together by now. They're choosing not to.

I sent a message to a friend who's worked as the lead animator on multiple films. I'm interested to hear what he has to say.

And yet a resound Yes is all i hear, From the people i have talked to.

Originally Posted by The Boston Ninja Turtle

notice i didnt say animation in my first post..i was talking about the Movie itself as a whole.....not once did i say anything about animation

But you cant say you know how a movie such as this one work because you havent work on a movie such as this one. thats the thing. Animation is a KEY MAJOR part of this film to say you know how it will work when you have no insight into what that mean how much work that takes and the fact is you can't.

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

Originally Posted by samxsteal

Animation is a KEY MAJOR part of this film

technically its motion capture and SFX


Animation is another genre and department...so make sure you are talking to the right people

[samxsteal]

Originally Posted by The Boston Ninja Turtle

technically its motion capture and SFX


Animation is another genre and department...so make sure you are talking to the right people

They still have to Animate the Motion capture. And dude Those are animators they deal with animating the characters.

Don't try and make me look stupid just prove your point. Seriously.

[samxsteal]

Originally Posted by Warhorse

Why are you so defensive for this movie dude? Seriously, you are like on here, 24/7 it seems, and constantly defending it, and funny enough, finding all of the new sh!t that comes on. It's really making you look like you are indeed working for the studio to try and get the technodrome members to back this movie up 100 %. What do you care if people are looking forward to this movie or not???? Huh?

I just think its a shame that people who do enjoy this movie dont have a place to talking about it they way people generally talk about a movie they;re excited for and a fans of. And some of the "problems" this movie has Seems to stem from next to nothing but rumors and speculation, based on miss information and pandering.

Which is a shame because this should be a good place to talk about it you know seeing as this is a fan board and all.

Heck i wish I was getting paid My someone. And I wish I could spend All day On this site, But sadly Working two Jobs does not allow this.

[SwiftNinjaFox]

Originally Posted by samxsteal

Im sorry I dont care what a couple of movie Did compare to a much larger chunk of movie have done and are currently doing. And hearing pretty much straight from the horses mouth that YOU are in fact wrong well im sorry but im not about to believe YOU over people working in the industry sorry

Wh...huh?

A couple of movies? Do I need to go through every major summer blockbuster?

How am I wrong? I'm giving factual evidence. I'm not just making personal claims on this. These are actual dates when marketing started for the movies, for every major blockbuster coming out this year.

Whoever you're talking to in the industry is telling you 5 months is a common and standard marketing period. I'm showing you hard facts that if every blockbuster of the year is not falling within that, I question if it's "standard."

I acknowledge some movies take a shorter timeframe, though it's also true some do that because of budget for marketing having been small or production going over budget so the marketing gets reduced. Result: shorter heavy market blitz in a shorter timeframe.

But it's not speculation that these movies had longer marketing. Including Planet of the Apes coming out this year.

The shorter marketing MIGHT hurt TMNT.
The shorter marketing MIGHT not hurt TMNT.
The shorter marketing MIGHT help TMNT.

I'm not saying flat out it's going to flop because of this. I'm only saying it's evident they're going with a shorter marketing than most summer blockbusters.

And you have to admit, it's weird the teaser posters came out after the teaser trailer which gave a look at them. I'd have flipped my shiznit if I saw those posters in theaters last Thanksgiving/Christmas. Those posters don't require motion capture, nor animators. That's what surprises me is all, that they haven't had some non-trailer, non-footage marketing either.

Kind of surprised they didn't create a fake "news site" for viral marketing for them, really. Kind of like ASM2's Daily Bugle articles, only centered on Turtle-verse (and whatever news station April works for in the movie)

[MajorViolence]

Originally Posted by SwiftNinjaFox

Wh...huh?

A couple of movies? Do I need to go through every major summer blockbuster?

How am I wrong? I'm giving factual evidence. I'm not just making personal claims on this. These are actual dates when marketing started for the movies, for every major blockbuster coming out this year.

Whoever you're talking to in the industry is telling you 5 months is a common and standard marketing period. I'm showing you hard facts that if every blockbuster of the year is not falling within that, I question if it's "standard."

I acknowledge some movies take a shorter timeframe, though it's also true some do that because of budget for marketing having been small or production going over budget so the marketing gets reduced. Result: shorter heavy market blitz in a shorter timeframe.

But it's not speculation that these movies had longer marketing. Including Planet of the Apes coming out this year.

The shorter marketing MIGHT hurt TMNT.
The shorter marketing MIGHT not hurt TMNT.
The shorter marketing MIGHT help TMNT.

I'm not saying flat out it's going to flop because of this. I'm only saying it's evident they're going with a shorter marketing than most summer blockbusters.

And you have to admit, it's weird the teaser posters came out after the teaser trailer which gave a look at them. I'd have flipped my shiznit if I saw those posters in theaters last Thanksgiving/Christmas.

You pretty much just summarized everything I've been explaining to Sam on a different forum for the past two days.

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

Originally Posted by samxsteal

Which is a shame because this should be a good place to talk about it you know seeing as this is a fan board and all.

in the words of one of my fave mods on this site

Originally Posted by Jester

Sam...this is a fan fourm, you are right. A forum for Turtle FANS of all stripes. Fans who love or hate the Mirage Comics, fans who like or dislike the FW series, fans who like or dislike new Nick series and this new movie.

We may not be fans of this movie...but we are fans of the franchise. We care (good or ill) because it's Turtles. Some LOVE every element because it's Turtles. Some dislike most of what we've seen because of what they are doing to the Turtles.

A fan forum is a place where discussion happens, by both people who will like what you like and will also NOT like what you like. It's life. Powder and I disagree on plenty of stuff, but we're still chummy. I'm sure there are things we'd actually agree with wholeheartedly. It's the way people are.

Just because someone disagrees with you, doesn't mean you call for them to be shut down. It's not just a forum for fans of just the movie. It's a forum for fans of the Turtles to discuss the movie. What they like....and yes...even what they don't like.

being a fan does not mean you have to like eveything


i dont on peoples cases for disliking Next Mutation or the out of their shells tours...one i like and one i love

also we had or respective threads before the giant lock down...us who were leery kept having to tell people in the positive side to stay out of our threads

[samxsteal]

Originally Posted by SwiftNinjaFox

Wh...huh?

A couple of movies? Do I need to go through every major summer blockbuster?

How am I wrong? I'm giving factual evidence. I'm not just making personal claims on this. These are actual dates when marketing started for the movies, for every major blockbuster coming out this year.

Whoever you're talking to in the industry is telling you 5 months is a common and standard marketing period. I'm showing you hard facts that if every blockbuster of the year is not falling within that, I question if it's "standard."

I acknowledge some movies take a shorter timeframe, though it's also true some do that because of budget for marketing having been small or production going over budget so the marketing gets reduced. Result: shorter heavy market blitz in a shorter timeframe.

But it's not speculation that these movies had longer marketing. Including Planet of the Apes coming out this year.

The shorter marketing MIGHT hurt TMNT.
The shorter marketing MIGHT not hurt TMNT.
The shorter marketing MIGHT help TMNT.

I'm not saying flat out it's going to flop because of this. I'm only saying it's evident they're going with a shorter marketing than most summer blockbusters.

And you have to admit, it's weird the teaser posters came out after the teaser trailer which gave a look at them. I'd have flipped my shiznit if I saw those posters in theaters last Thanksgiving/Christmas. Those posters don't require motion capture, nor animators. That's what surprises me is all, that they haven't had some non-trailer, non-footage marketing either.

Kind of surprised they didn't create a fake "news site" for viral marketing for them, really. Kind of like ASM2's Daily Bugle articles, only centered on Turtle-verse (and whatever news station April works for in the movie)

I do agree that the posters should have been released before the trailers But not in Nov or Dec im sorry it just doesn't work that way all the time,

If you look Rise and Dawn (apes) their trailers came out only 5 months before the release Dawn just got a second trailer. two months before release As for Viral Campaigns those a relatively new And there are tones of movie who dont touch Viral marketing.

I understand you look at movies Like Spiderman and Xmen , and Just assume TMNT should automatically market that way but its just not true.

Lets look at movie and how many month are between first teaser/trailer, and release

Lego First teaser-8 months
Robo cop - 7 months
Captain America winter soldier- 5 months
Spiderman - 5 months
Godzilla - 5 months
Xmen- 7 months
HTTYD II- 11 months
22 jump street- 6 months
Dawn- 6 months
GOTG- 6 months
hobit-8
47 ronin-5
Catching fire- 6
Frozen - 5
Muppets - 7
Noah(ALSO PARAMOUNT)- 4 months
Mk now lets Focus on Paramount for a little
Transformers 4 - 3
Hercules-4 months
Jack Ryan - 3 months
Paranormal Activity: The Marked Ones -3 months
The Wolf of Wall Street- 6 months
Anchorman 2: The Legend Continues -7 months
Jackass Presents: Bad Grandpa 3 months
World War Z- 7 month was delayed
Pain & Gain-4 months
G.I. Joe: Retaliation-4 months
Star Trek Into Darkness-5 months

Now TMNT - 5 months

[samxsteal]

Originally Posted by The Boston Ninja Turtle

in the words of one of my fave mods on this site




being a fan does not mean you have to like eveything


i dont on peoples cases for disliking Next Mutation or the out of their shells tours...one i like and one i love

also we had or respective threads before the giant lock down...us who were leery kept having to tell people in the positive side to stay out of our threads

But see heres the Big difference

If you go to those sections of the Board to talk and discuss abo0ut those thing In a positive Manor, Do you expect Major backlash and disdain from a plethora of People Non stop Day in day out. All you wanna to is talk about the positive parts you like what you enjoy, and every post is met with Again disdain and disgust That would irritate you would it not. If someone went on to a Muppet's forum you go to and did nothing But talk bad about the movie WITH OUT ever seeing it Would that no agitate you? No matter What "opinions" he has that's not something anyone who has a passion enjoys.

You dont have to like everything that not the issue thats never been the issue. Its how its all been handled thats the issue I'm not really sure there is an accurate way to discribe it And i know im not the only one who feels this way.

The best way i can Sum it up is

I want to talk about something I enjoy AND CANT. that it that how it feels on these forums, and i know im not the only one who thinks this ways.

Its just a shame that i and other cant Go to a tmnt fan site to be excited for a tmnt movie thats all I mean sure we can be excited but what fun is it when every other post is and objection, for pandering comment, Ive time and time again seen a very good Discussion broken up By negative comments that ruins the buzz and hinders the discussion And you know it suck when people say "Ehh just ignore me then" because if that's the case im going to be ignoring a lot of people. and then i get those blank post littering the thread and breaking Conversations im having with like minded people.

Example
If you're a Marvel Fan but hate Spiderman Do you still go into the spiderman section of the marvel forum the tell everyone how much you hate spiderman, Heck your a marvel fan you have your own opinions thats all, and you keep talking about how much you hate spiderman, everything about him there's nothing Appealing about him, Sure you can go and discuss Captain American which you love but nope You just sit and talk about how bad spiderman is and its ok because its your opinion so people just have to put up with it.

[MajorViolence]

Originally Posted by samxsteal

But see heres the Big difference

If you go to those sections of the Board to talk and discuss abo0ut those thing In a positive Manor, Do you expect Major backlash and disdain from a plethora of People Non stop Day in day out. All you wanna to is talk about the positive parts you like what you enjoy, and every post is met with Again disdain and disgust That would irritate you would it not. If someone went on to a Muppet's forum you go to and did nothing But talk bad about the movie WITH OUT ever seeing it Would that no agitate you? No matter What "opinions" he has that's not something anyone who has a passion enjoys.

You dont have to like everything that not the issue thats never been the issue. Its how its all been handled thats the issue I'm not really sure there is an accurate way to discribe it And i know im not the only one who feels this way.

The best way i can Sum it up is

I want to talk about something I enjoy AND CANT. that it that how it feels on these forums, and i know im not the only one who thinks this ways.

Its just a shame that i and other cant Go to a tmnt fan site to be excited for a tmnt movie thats all I mean sure we can be excited but what fun is it when every other post is and objection, for pandering comment, Ive time and time again seen a very good Discussion broken up By negative comments that ruins the buzz and hinders the discussion And you know it suck when people say "Ehh just ignore me then" because if that's the case im going to be ignoring a lot of people. and then i get those blank post littering the thread and breaking Conversations im having with like minded people.

Example
If you're a Marvel Fan but hate Spiderman Do you still go into the spiderman section of the marvel forum the tell everyone how much you hate spiderman, Heck your a marvel fan you have your own opinions thats all, and you keep talking about how much you hate spiderman, everything about him there's nothing Appealing about him, Sure you can go and discuss Captain American which you love but nope You just sit and talk about how bad spiderman is and its ok because its your opinion so people just have to put up with it.

I'm a Spidey fan! My love of Spidey is about equal to my love of TMNT, in fact. I have a giant stack of Spider-Man comics ranging from the early Stan Lee issues up to the early 90s. I own all of the movies on DVD, some of the cartoons, and even bootlegged VHS tapes of the 70s TV show where Peter Parker is more of a detective than a superhero.

And guess what? I had major problems with Amazing Spider-Man 2. And I've not only expressed those problems in my review, I've discussed them on various forums. I've even been bashing the hell out of the tie-in game without having played it, because I'm familiar enough with Beenox's work to know it was going to be horrible, and the reviews suggest I'm 100% right. I'm a huge Spidey fan, but that doesn't mean I need to be positive about everything with a Spider-Man logo on it. It also doesn't bother me when people trash the Raimi movies (which I adore) or even when they're way too harsh about the latest film, which I think had a lot of problems but was still fun and worth seeing.

My point is, your opinion is your own. Other people have different opinions. And that's fine! There's no reason to get upset over the opinions of others, and trying to change those opinions is pointless. We're all fine with you feeling positive about this film. And boy do I wish I could feel that way too, but I don't. And that's fine.

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

Originally Posted by samxsteal

If someone went on to a Muppet's forum you go to and did nothing But talk bad about the movie WITH OUT ever seeing it Would that no agitate you? No matter What "opinions" he has that's not something anyone who has a passion enjoys.

You have obviously never been to Muppet Central Forums or the Tough Pig forums

Muppet fans are some of the most cynical people I know, most refuse to watch anything made after Jim Henson's death (1990)

Other refuse to watch anything made under Disney , some only like current Kermit at the hands of whitmire, some hate anything Elmo related and wants him to die.

Muppet fans rip apart specials and movies like no one I have ever seen or met in any fandom...never mention Muppets Wizard of OZ on and online muppet related site

And yes I have dislike what I have seen from them.. Back in 2011 when "the muppets" came out I spoke on how I hated that all the trailers focused on segel and Adams .....and guess what I was right the muppets don't make a real appearances until almost past the 20 minute mark

And most of the movie focuses on them and the story of their anniversary dinner..sure I love them As actors but in a movie called " the muppets" it sure had a lot more human cast members

Since at the time I was hanging with certain people I got things before hand and I was annoyed all the songs in the first movie where just rehashes of older songs


In 2012 when "Muppets again" later renamed "muppets most wanted" was announced I made my voice heard that Ricky Gervais was attached, because even though I love him I thought he would hog the spot light ..this time I was proven wrong


Thing is I was very leery then too , for many reasons both times and I spoke my concerns ...proudly

Whether it's tmnt,power rangers,muppets, transformers , whatever I will say my concerns, and the reason I say them Is because I want to be proved wrong. I don't want to go into a movie with blind love just because Kermit's face is on it or Michelangelo eats pizza, I shouldn't have to support something because I grew up on it and studios are going to assume I will be there.

I don't want my bar raised so high that it can never be reached

And I mean I answered this question before when puddinpop asked it you can find the rest of my answer there

But in the end no it doesn't bug me that people do that even if I happen to love the franchise. People have different likes..some hate things some don't, I respect both sides..but I am no going to tell someone who hates Muppet Christmas carol they are wrong because I love it

Or that Pepe the king prawn is one of the best new chars introduced to the muppets in recent years IMO. And all this isn't even scratching the surface of some of the "negative" things I've seen said



But the real question is, Why isn't that because my option on "insert franchise here" happens to be negative I shouldn't be allowed to talk about it?

[Candy Kappa]

Originally Posted by SwiftNinjaFox

Kind of surprised they didn't create a fake "news site" for viral marketing for them, really. Kind of like ASM2's Daily Bugle articles, only centered on Turtle-verse (and whatever news station April works for in the movie)

Robocop remake did a lot of cool marketing on Facebook, creating a page for Omnicorp and a website for Omnicorp, acting in-character with commercials about their latest tech and ultimate line of defense. One might say the marketing was better then the movies

And the I believe in Harvey Dent campaign for the Dark Knight was cool.

[electric_sheep]

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

Robocop remake did a lot of cool marketing on Facebook, creating a page for Omnicorp and a website for Omnicorp, acting in-character with commercials about their latest tech and ultimate line of defense. One might say the marketing was better then the movies

And the I believe in Harvey Dent campaign for the Dark Knight was cool.

I am interesting to see, how are they gonna cram a year worth of marketing into 2 months?

[Candy Kappa]

No, that's ship is sailed for TMNT, a bit sad as well, since Nickelodeon made a lot of promo stuff when they acquired the property. Like fake news reports, where they covered strange foot prints in green paint, and had guys in turtle costumes appear.

I was kinda expecting something akin to that with the movie, but. I guess the marketing team for PD's TMNT ain't got no time for that.

[electric_sheep]

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

No, that's ship is sailed for TMNT, a bit sad as well, since Nickelodeon made a lot of promo stuff when they acquired the property. Like fake news reports, where they covered strange foot prints in green paint, and had guys in turtle costumes appear.

I was kinda expecting something akin to that with the movie, but. I guess the marketing team for PD's TMNT ain't got no time for that.

Or then spent their whole budget on the movie and they don't have anything left for marketing, or is that a separate budget?