Eric Sachs/Shredder - reincarnation or descendant

[Candy Kappa]

Originally Posted by AlphaAF

Needlessly complicated is having a real Saki.

Okay. That piqued my curiosity, how is Saki needlessly complicated?

[electric_sheep]

Originally Posted by AlphaAF

It's definitely not needlessly complicated. It adds mythology, lineage, and basically merges the 2x most popular and/or known villains in the turtle mythos into basically this super villain. If Saki / Sachs is really an evil Krang like Utrom taking on the visage of an ancient Samurai, while secretly trying to bring destruction to the human race. It makes him a terrifying threat. I didn't think the idea was terrible in the 2k3 series, it was the cartoon like execution. A more adult approach to it could be terrifying. Needlessly complicated is having a real Saki, Tengu Shredder, Ancient Shredder, Chrell, Chrell Saki, Cyber Shredder, etc.

It was a horrible idea and it completly ruined the chartachter of Oroku Saki, that's the worst way that they can take in the new movie..
And how is having a real Oroku more complicated?

[Shark_Blade]

I'd go with reincarnation.

Eric Sachs resurrected Oroku Saki.

Originally Posted by Y2Bogus

I've posted my theory before, but here it is again.

Shredder is an Utrom. He used an Oroku Saki "suit" in Japan and had his encounter with Hamato Yoshi, setting into place the events of TMNT history.

After relocating to NY, he dropped the Saki suit, likely because of the attached criminal baggage that it had, and adopted an "Eric Sachs" suit to pose as a legitimate businessman, while still remaining the Shredder.

So for all intents and purposes, Eric Sachs IS Oroku Saki, as they are the same individual, just in a different exo-suit

I like this theory, very plausible.

[ninja-zero]

Starting over from last thread.

[ninja-zero]

Starting over:

http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=47423

[Candy Kappa]

Why is a duplicate necessary? That's just spam.

Originally Posted by ninja-zero

Starting over:

http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=47423

[electric_sheep]

What's wrong with the old thread?

[Shark_Blade]

What the..

[Candy Kappa]

Apparently, we are only allowed to theorize and speculate about reincarnation or descendant angles, and Utrom possibility... All else is BLASPHEMY!

[Glados]

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

Oroku - Eriku - Eric
Sachs - Sakusu - Saki

Uh... now I feel dumb, I'm still not understanding... ><

Wait... do you mean like, Eriku is how Japanese guys would pronounce Erik and Sakusu is the way they'd say Sachs, for some reason? Sorry, I'm not much of a "weeaboo" by any means...

[Candy Kappa]

Originally Posted by AlphaAF

I clearly didn't mean Saki by himself. I'm referring to the 2k3 show where we had this:

Modern Businessman Saki (Chrell)
Real Japanese Saki
Shredder (Chrell)
Tengu Shredder
Cyber Shredder

Ah, yeah. Cramming in seasons of backstory telling, is no good for a 2 hour movie.

Originally Posted by Glados

Wait... do you mean like, Eriku is how Japanese guys would pronounce Erik and Sakusu is the way they'd say Sachs, for some reason? Sorry, I'm not much of a "weeaboo" by any means...

The names are too similar, so similar I recon there is no Oroku Saki in the PD movie, cause Sachs is the whitewashed version of Oroku.

[pennydreadful]

Based on the concept art that we've seen thus far, I think that we're going to get an Utrom Shredder... it was one of the few things that I didn't like in 4kids and I doubt I'll like if we get it in the movie. I'm a simple creature; I like Oroku Saki as a human being, not an alien.

That being said, it's still all conjecture at this point.

[Galactus]

Originally Posted by AlphaAF

It's definitely not needlessly complicated. It adds mythology, lineage, and basically merges the 2x most popular and/or known villains in the turtle mythos into basically this super villain. If Saki / Sachs is really an evil Krang like Utrom taking on the visage of an ancient Samurai, while secretly trying to bring destruction to the human race. It makes him a terrifying threat. I didn't think the idea was terrible in the 2k3 series, it was the cartoon like execution. A more adult approach to it could be terrifying. Needlessly complicated is having a real Saki, Tengu Shredder, Ancient Shredder, Chrell, Chrell Saki, Cyber Shredder, etc.

I'm assuming you mean Krang. Why do we need to merge the two most popular villains?

Surely by merging them that means you get one new questionable character instead of two proven ones. It wasn't so much of an issue in the 4kids series were there was little chance we'd see Krang and Ch'rell being (perhaps unintentional) exploration of what Krang could have been.

I actually did grow to like the 4kids take on the idea but that had several episodes across three seasons to prove itself and had someone with a cynical eye guiding it. One of the reasons it worked is that for the most part he was acting as Oroku Saki which is what this really boils down to.

All these revamped 4kids and IDW ideas seem to be a way to excuse the very questionable decision of hiring Fichtner to play a character whose pretty linked to Japanese roots and that's before getting into the debate of whether he could physically pull off being a martial arts master outside of a cgi costume. Based on what Fichtner has said that's not even going to be attempted - remember anyone could be Shredder when wearing the costume in this movie.

Also count me for someone liking an explanation of how the original Shredder idea is needlessly complex?

[GrapeSoda]

Originally Posted by Galactus

Also count me for someone liking an explanation of how the original Shredder idea is needlessly complex?

me too. The defense is grasping at straws. I'm curious how some one can write off the origin of the Shredder as just too complicated in defense of the move version. Lemme get some popcorn

[TurtleMikey]

I still believe that Eric Sach is NOT the real Shredder. Rather, he is simply a fanatic; a man obsessed with the legend of the Shredder. So much so, that he himself fashions armor and becomes, in his mind, The Shredder and has created his own personal "Foot" army.

However, after he is defeated, it is revealed that the real Shredder, and his Foot clan, are coming to seek vengeance on him and The Turtles (whom they will have some connection to per the scroll).


So basically a rip off of Iron Man 3 and All Hail The King.


But seriously, this is what I believe will happen.

[Puddinpop]

Originally Posted by AlphaAF

It's definitely not needlessly complicated. It adds mythology, lineage, and basically merges the 2x most popular and/or known villains in the turtle mythos into basically this super villain. If Saki / Sachs is really an evil Krang like Utrom taking on the visage of an ancient Samurai, while secretly trying to bring destruction to the human race. It makes him a terrifying threat. I didn't think the idea was terrible in the 2k3 series, it was the cartoon like execution. A more adult approach to it could be terrifying. Needlessly complicated is having a real Saki, Tengu Shredder, Ancient Shredder, Chrell, Chrell Saki, Cyber Shredder, etc.

I agree, I definitely think it makes him a much more powerful and terrifying character. I've always wanted to see Krang in a live action film. I love the 2k3 toon, but some times I think they got carried away imo.

Peter Laird and Kevin Eastman were the ones that created this idea of android exo suits and multiple shredders no? It's very possible that this new " Sachs " idea came from the mind of Eastman to begin with Judging by what Liebesman has said in a few interviews. I personally don't want to see the same story we saw in 1990. I'm happy with them exploring a fresh new take on the mythology. I'm happy with them digging deeper and having a richer back story. Imo if I want to see the original Oroku Saki story I can just pop in the first live action movie. So far I think this Shredder looks more menacing, more powerful, more connected with him having literal control over the entire city, media, politicians, Police department, Medical research/ TCRI and having a possible connection with Krang, or even being Krang. I can't wait to see this play out. It's something I've ALWAYS wanted to see in a live action film. Kevin also came up with the IDW spin on things. That would also be an interesting direction imo. I don't know.. I welcome the new take.

[ninja-zero]

Anyone picked descendant? I feel like no one has.

I mean what if Eric Sachs was descended from Saki the original Shredder?

[Puddinpop]

Originally Posted by ninja-zero

Anyone picked descendant? I feel like no one has.

I mean what if Eric Sachs was descended from Saki the original Shredder?

I think its a possibility.. I'm open to it. But then where does Yoshi fit into that? I'm not sure if they would include Saki without Including Yoshi.. I can't wait until these questions are finally put to rest.. I think this film deserves a Guinness world record for causing more arguments on the internet than anything ever lol

[electric_sheep]

Where's the there won't be any mention of Oroku Saki in the movie option?

[Shark_Blade]

Originally Posted by TurtleMikey

I still believe that Eric Sach is NOT the real Shredder. Rather, he is simply a fanatic; a man obsessed with the legend of the Shredder. So much so, that he himself fashions armor and becomes, in his mind, The Shredder and has created his own personal "Foot" army.

However, after he is defeated, it is revealed that the real Shredder, and his Foot clan, are coming to seek vengeance on him and The Turtles (whom they will have some connection to per the scroll).


So basically a rip off of Iron Man 3 and All Hail The King.


But seriously, this is what I believe will happen.

I wouldn't bet on it considering the Eric Sachs actor (William Fichtner) is signed for 3 TMNT movies already. He is the one true Shredder imo.