Has Guardians of the Galaxy already won August

[electric_sheep]

Originally Posted by Zulithe

Still amuses me that they literally showed Rocket adjusting his crotch... in a movie trailer of all things :p

That's a money shot right there...

[chrisdude]

Originally Posted by AlphaAF

They're like giant episodic TV serials but on the big screen. Cap WS felt like a bigger budgeted version of Agents of Shield to me. With heightened tv caliber production, and low amounts of risk taking adaptation art sensibilities. Like these films come off an assembly line or something. One's a giant commercial just for the next one to me unfortunately. They lack an organic, interesting self contained quality to them. That's why besides uninteresting characters, or iconic mythos this is a pass for me. I don't want to support a hype machine that has people overrating the quality merely because they've invested so much in all the other attached mini franchises under the Marvel Studios umbrella.

They're like different series of comics. They're aware of their shared world, but, I think, stand alone just fine. The Avengers films are like the giant crossovers that happen from time-to-time. Yeah, it's all a big scheme to get you to spend more, in order to get the whole story. But so are Marvel and DC comics.

The big Marvel comics event, right now, Original Sin, involves a miniseries by that name, but also crosses over with about 10 ongoing Marvel titles. I'll read the Original Sin miniseries, and the three of the involved comics I already follow. But I will also be ducking into one more title for the duration of the event, and I might just get hooked. That's their plan. And, for comic book movies, it's been working like a dream. Marvel movies keep getting bigger. And following the Avenger franchise is a lot cheaper...

[MajorViolence]

Originally Posted by Zulithe

Still amuses me that they literally showed Rocket adjusting his crotch... in a movie trailer of all things :p

Yeah, I'm really loving the irreverent approach to the marketing with this film. Not something that would work for a lot of movies, but I think it's a good fit with this one.

[SwiftNinjaFox]

Originally Posted by AlphaAF

Guardians of the Galaxy looks mad corny to me.

I think that's actually going to be part of its charm.

[MajorViolence]

I absolutely love the way Marvel blends humor into their films. This movie looks like it's going to give us more humor than any before, and I can't wait. DC is catering to the people who want serious, grim, dark comic book movies, and that appeals to some, but personally I prefer a more lighthearted touch to my superheroes.

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

looking forward to when these guys cross over with Stark and the others


but puppet builder in me wants to make a Rocket Raccoon puppet for my next con

[GrapeSoda]

Originally Posted by samxsteal

It is No Seriously Its on thing to have a completely non flexible Shell become pretty much silly puddy while moving in a cartoon, it another to try and pull off the same thing in s live action movie. Why would they add these things to the costumes For added mobility right then why not make something more Mobile in a newer version. Its not a weak argument its just an argument you dont agree with.

I don't understand the point you're trying to make here. I think it's the phone typos...no offense.

I think they don't need to design the suit for "added mobility" in this new live action film, since the turtles are created in a computer. It can be possible to create a rigid, realistic turtle shell design and still have the turtles do flips and kicks and hulk smash without having to resort to a silly putty look. The entirety of the turtles are just CGI, they don't need to worry about the "mobility" of the actors portraying them.

Unless your point is it is deliberately designed the way it is for "mobility", so the turtles can be more flexible on screen. Then, you're right...i don't agree with that.

[samxsteal]

Originally Posted by GrapeSoda

I don't understand the point you're trying to make here. I think it's the phone typos...no offense.

I think they don't need to design the suit for "added mobility" in this new live action film, since the turtles are created in a computer. It can be possible to create a rigid, realistic turtle shell design and still have the turtles do flips and kicks and hulk smash without having to resort to a silly putty look. The entirety of the turtles are just CGI, they don't need to worry about the "mobility" of the actors portraying them.

Unless your point is it is deliberately designed the way it is for "mobility", so the turtles can be more flexible on screen. Then, you're right...i don't agree with that.

They have designed a new turtle who keeps the protective shell while still keeping the mobility needed to perform Martial arts and acrobatics,

The turtles having"ridged" shells that Flex Enough to allow for the things listed above,(and sorry but soft shell turtle dont count can they seriously be nearly folded in half, NO)just doesn't work, so they created a plated Plastron.

Ridged Shell can't flex or bend in a way that allow full martial arts mobility

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

Originally Posted by samxsteal

They have designed a new turtle who keeps the protective shell while still keeping the mobility needed to perform Martial arts and acrobatics,

The turtles having"ridged" shells that Flex Enough to allow for the things listed above,(and sorry but soft shell turtle dont count can they seriously be nearly folded in half, NO)just doesn't work, so they created a plated Plastron.

Ridged Shell can't flex or bend in a way that allow full martial arts mobility

they never bent completely in half though...even the first movies when they bend its at the waist/crotch/leg


the shells are flexible when they sit

[Candy Kappa]

Originally Posted by samxsteal

They have designed a new turtle who keeps the protective shell while still keeping the mobility needed to perform Martial arts and acrobatics,

The turtles having"ridged" shells that Flex Enough to allow for the things listed above,(and sorry but soft shell turtle dont count can they seriously be nearly folded in half, NO)just doesn't work, so they created a plated Plastron.

Ridged Shell can't flex or bend in a way that allow full martial arts mobility

But that still doesn't make any sense of removing the bridges, that won't make it more flexible, as the still have ribs under, and the ribs would still be connected to the carapace and plastron, because the ribs are a major part of a turtle's shell.

And why doesn't a turtle of the softshell family count? They are flexible, no? How about the pancake tortoise then? Or Hinge-backs?

Just because the design is of a creature that doesn't exist, or can't exist in the real world, there still need to be a sense of logic. Same foes for all fantasy type creature, such as winged people. You don't put their wings on their ass, nor remove the secondary feathers on the wings, cause doing that on real birds would make them unable to fly. Or giving a humanoid creature four arms, the extra set of arms needs to look like they actually comes from that creature, the creature needs a skeletal structure and extra musculature to support the context of having a extra set of arms.

These turtles. These bipedal, pose able thumb having, teeth showing turtles, do need a certain amount of flexibility to walk upright. And removing the shell bridges, adding muscles on the sides that folds over the ribs on a human does not add mobility and flexibility. It just adds stupid, like an angel with ass wings.

And then there's the plastron abs... Ugh...

[samxsteal]

Originally Posted by The Boston Ninja Turtle

they never bent completely in half though...even the first movies when they bend its at the waist/crotch/leg


the shells are flexible when they sit

do know know what it take to Do a back hand spring of a full, heck and cartwheel all involves bending completely in half, not to mention martial arts where the body bends and flexes in ways no "ridged" shell would nor a "soft shell"

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

Originally Posted by samxsteal

do know know what it take to Do a back hand spring of a full, heck and cartwheel all involves bending completely in half, not to mention martial arts where the body bends and flexes in ways no "ridged" shell would nor a "soft shell"

actually i do,do you?

[Candy Kappa]

Then, why do overly acrobatic stunts in the first place?
The turtles are trained in budo and bujutsu. My personal experience with Japanese martial art is there is not a whole lot of BS performance acrobatics, and more to the point.

But, it is a Hollywood movie... There needs to be roundhouse kicks, cartwheels and somersaults instead of walking up the enemy and just maki uchi men that sucker to oblivion.

[samxsteal]

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

But that still doesn't make any sense of removing the bridges, that won't make it more flexible, as the still have ribs under, and the ribs would still be connected to the carapace and plastron, because the ribs are a major part of a turtle's shell.

Unless they are Humanistic turtles.

And why doesn't a turtle of the softshell family count? They are flexible, no? How about the pancake tortoise then? Or Hinge-backs?

Can those thing flex like a martial artists or an acrobat???? no i seriously doubt it

Just because the design is of a creature that doesn't exist, or can't exist in the real world, there still need to be a sense of logic. Same foes for all fantasy type creature, such as winged people. You don't put their wings on their ass, nor remove the secondary feathers on the wings, cause doing that on real birds would make them unable to fly. Or giving a humanoid creature four arms, the extra set of arms needs to look like they actually comes from that creature, the creature needs a skeletal structure and extra musculature to support the context of having a extra set of arms.

And how are these designs No logical They need to be more flexible they are now and still have a shell and Segmented Plastron, they concept is every bit as plausible as anything you posted.

These turtles. These bipedal, pose able thumb having, teeth showing turtles, do need a certain amount of flexibility to walk upright. And removing the shell bridges, adding muscles on the sides that folds over the ribs on a human does not add mobility and flexibility. It just adds stupid, like an angel with ass wings.

No it doesn't. I dont even. These are HUMANOID, Bipedal, opposable thumbs having, teeth showing turtles that need a certain amount of flexibility to walk upright. As well ass needing added Flexibility to do thing like this

Notice how there body bend and flex and an Important part of any of the actions are the Abs and rib MUSCLES have a bridge the hinders this mobility would not work in a real world situation, And just animating it to be flexible Become Cartoony and fake(you dont question it in the nick show because its a cartoon), Just look at the Flip leo does He compresses his knees fully to his chest something a ridged shell, or a shell similar to a soft shell turtle could not do

And then there's the plastron abs... Ugh...[/QUOTE]

[samxsteal]

Originally Posted by The Boston Ninja Turtle

actually i do,do you?

Yes plenty of years in martial arts and my wife is Cheerleader and acrobatics Coach.

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

Then, why do overly acrobatic stunts in the first place?
The turtles are trained in budo and bujutsu. My personal experience with Japanese martial art is there is not a whole lot of BS performance acrobatics, and more to the point.

But, it is a Hollywood movie... There needs to be roundhouse kicks, cartwheels and somersaults instead of walking up the enemy and just maki uchi men that sucker to oblivion.

Yup Turtles have never been flashy nope.


Seriously make up your mind you either want martial arts like seen in the Human TMNT video or you don't which is it?

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

anyways back on topic....


guardians wise is groot mo cap?


how many "mo cap" creatures we have this summer

[Chris_a_Bunga]

I think yes... to the overall question TMNT is my favorite comic/cartoon/heros of all time and I have never even heard of the Guardians of the Galaxy Before, but the movie does look way better based on what has be seen (but a new Turtles trailer could change that) money wise I think they will fair pretty evenly, even though the new turtles film looks rather disappointing I think it will make money based on the name alone, while Guardians doesn't quite have that going for them as much.

[MajorViolence]

Originally Posted by AlphaAF

Especially when it's so excessive it undermines threat, tension, and dramatic weight. Becoming heavy handed with jokes things lose their meaning and become cheap comedies that involve superheroes.

Like Avengers, Thor, Iron Man 3, Thor DW, and even at times CA WS. Their brand is not my cup of tea. Corny, cookie cutter assembly line averageness.

Marvel is obviously not for you, then. Nothing really wrong with that, but that doesn't make them bad movies. It's the same thing I've been telling people that have been complaining about Godzilla not having enough monster fighting. If you want that sort of thing, watch Pacific Rim, but Godzilla is and always has been (the good movies anyway) about human-based plots that provide dramatic buildup to a relatively small amount of onscreen monster fights. Marvel is about fun superhero stories that don't take themselves too seriously. It just is what it is.

[Sumac]

About Turtles designs: what Candy Kappa said - even if creature doesn't exist, there still should be an internal logic how it works. Unless, this is some B-grade shitfest like Asylum movies, where anything goes.
Personally, in case of this version of the Turtles, I don't think there was logic. For whatever reason, they've recreated them as "reptillian hulks", which is drastically (and needlessly) different from everything that was done before (in mainstream versions) of the franchise. So, I don't think they bothered themselves with internal logic or whatever.

Marvel is about fun superhero stories that don't take themselves too seriously. It just is what it is.

Which is exactly what makes them awesome, especially in the modern world filled with grim / dark / edgy reinterpretations of everything.

[TurtleTitan97]

Originally Posted by AlphaAF

There is middle ground between dark, and edgy (Nolans TDK trilogy) and overly light, or fluffy (Marvel Srudios)

What are you talking about? Marvel movies have never been "overly light or fluffy". Not every superhero movie needs to be "dark and edgy" like the Nolan Batman movies.