Has Guardians of the Galaxy already won August

[Candy Kappa]

Originally Posted by samxsteal

So the wolf series turtles are just as bad? As well as many other versions?

They didn't add muscles between, usually it's smooth, as if it was a shell bridge there. And it's 2014, the new show have shell bridges, the previous show (4kids) had hints at a shell bridge, although it was regularly skin colored. The previous movies had bridges.

This isn't a cartoon or a comic, it's supposed to pass as live-action, they are meant to be turtles. How do you explain how their shells work design-wise. I highly doubt the designers actually took the time to study real turtles, it seems more they looked at TMNT designs only and worked on that. Cause a turtle shell can not be separated like the PD turtles have them.

A turtles shell is their ribcage and spine fused together covered in scutes. There is no room for caving in on their sides, and then have overlapping intercostal muscles over the ribs.

And yes, all designs that lacks a clear shell bridge as well as high defined muscles are bad. Unless they re-work the entire shell structure to make it into something different, and the only example I can think of that did that is Zulli's designs, as he reworked the turtles shell anatomy completely, and not just giving the plastron a bodybuilder muscle effect.

[samxsteal]

Originally Posted by TurtleTitan97

What are you talking about? The FW Turtles didn't have shell abs, nor were they ridiculously huge like these new turtles. The same goes for other versions of the guys.

Thwere have been so many different turtles, wolf series has the no connection of Shell, ie separate shell and plastron

Larger size ha been dinner before, ripped huge muscles had been done before, the more "realistic" look has been done before, clothing has been done before,

Yes you can say you prefer other versions but this new look is nothing we haven't seen in some way shape or form before,

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

They didn't add muscles between, usually it's smooth, as if it was a shell bridge there. And it's 2014, the new show have shell bridges, the previous show (4kids) had hints at a shell bridge, although it was regularly skin colored. The previous movies had bridges.

This isn't a cartoon or a comic, it's supposed to pass as live-action, they are meant to be turtles. How do you explain how their shells work design-wise. I highly doubt the designers actually took the time to study real turtles, it seems more they looked at TMNT designs only and worked on that. Cause a turtle shell can not be separated like the PD turtles have them.

A turtles shell is their ribcage and spine fused together covered in scutes. There is no room for caving in on their sides, and then have overlapping intercostal muscles over the ribs.

And yes, all designs that lacks a clear shell bridge as well as high defined muscles are bad. Unless they re-work the entire shell structure to make it into something different, and the only example I can think of that did that is Zulli's designs, as he reworked the turtles shell anatomy completely, and not just giving the plastron a bodybuilder muscle effect.

and real turtle c can't walk upright and there shells are ridgid and not flexible so then performing and kind oh marital arts and acrobatics wouldn't be possible they developed something that would allow for all these things while keeping aspect of there turtle side

[Candy Kappa]

Originally Posted by samxsteal

and real turtle c can't walk upright and there shells are ridgid and not flexible so then performing and kind oh marital arts and acrobatics wouldn't be possible they developed something that would allow for all these things while keeping aspect of there turtle side

Thee are turtles with soft shells, and turtles that have a hinge in their shell to close it.

The first live-action turtles had the shell bridge and that worked fine.

The shell just doesn't look connected on the PD Turtles, it looks fake and just hangs there with no real attachment besides being a backpack. And the lack of shell bridges wouldn't make the turtles any more able to bend their backs, the carapace is still a part of their spine and ribcage. Removing the bridges and add skin and muscles between the plastron and carapace just makes it more implausible then the concept of TMNT already is, but also not possible within the context of a bipedal turtle.

[samxsteal]

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

Thee are turtles with soft shells, and turtles that have a hinge in their shell to close it.

The first live-action turtles had the shell bridge and that worked fine.

The shell just doesn't look connected on the PD Turtles, it looks fake and just hangs there with no real attachment besides being a backpack. And the lack of shell bridges wouldn't make the turtles any more able to bend their backs, the carapace is still a part of their spine and ribcage. Removing the bridges of adds skin and muscles between just makes it more implausible the. The concept of TMNT already is, but also not possible within the context of a bipedal turtle.

And yet even they had several different version some of them the shells had segments for flexibility if you watch bts and production photos. There's a part of the final fight were you see one of the turtles shells has a lower portion that's not fully connected and is meant to be flexible.

To be it doesn't look at all like its just "hanging" there it attached to the back. It just to me looks more accurate and more realistic for a turtle Henry to be much now flexible while still retaining it routes of being a turtle

[Candy Kappa]

Originally Posted by samxsteal

To be it doesn't look at all like its just "hanging" there it attached to the back. It just to me looks more accurate and more realistic for a turtle Henry to be much now flexible while still retaining it routes of being a turtle

Okay. How is it attached, and how does it work, how is the PD Turtles Spine and ribcage functional?

Why does it look more realistic, when the shell isn't anything remotely close to any turtles and is an impossibility. Especially when there are such thing as turtles with a more flexible shell, an entire family of turtles: Trionychidae. And they still have their shell bridges, cause the shell bridge isn't some weird attachment that can just be removed, it is a part of the turtle's ribcage, the ribcage of a turtle is a part of the shell.

[GrapeSoda]

Originally Posted by samxsteal

And yet even they had several different version some of them the shells had segments for flexibility if you watch bts and production photos. There's a part of the final fight were you see one of the turtles shells has a lower portion that's not fully connected and is meant to be flexible.

To be it doesn't look at all like its just "hanging" there it attached to the back. It just to me looks more accurate and more realistic for a turtle Henry to be much now flexible while still retaining it routes of being a turtle

Sam, that's a WEAK argument, and you know it.

The suits with segmented shells were for the stunt performers to allow a bit more ease of movement. These are full body, animatronic, costumes we're talking about.

In this new film, the turtles are 100% CGI. There is NO need to take the actor into account (i'm not even getting into possible likenesses in the turtles faces to the actors portraying them) when the ENTIRE turtle we'll see on screen is created in a computer. Donnie's proton pack and multiple sets of head phones, Mikey's shell necklace and shades, Leo's armor.....EVERYTHING is drawn digitally in a computer.

[Candy Kappa]

Also, another Chelonia with a flexible shell, the Pancake Tortoise. It got openings between the bony plates to add flexibility. AND a flexible bridge.

Boom. I probably spent more research time looking up the softshells, hinge-backs and pancakes then the creature designers did when making these designs.

[Bry]

Originally Posted by Cure

Yeah, justice demands that hard working people get punished.

Those hard-working people (the crew, VFX artists and cast) already got paid. The only people who would be punished by a movie under-performing would be the studio executives.

[Glados]

There's been some versions where the TMNT don't have shell-bridges, or what ever it's called. That doesn't mean it's not okay to dislike it due to personal taste... but there's no point in arguing too hard-core about it. It's creatures that's basically turtle anatomy mixed with human anatomy, it doesn't have to be 100% faithful in either direction. Some varying blends is interesting and some will off course hit our own personal tastes better then others, it's only natural. (I'm slightly bias to the new version... I don't mind the lacking shell-bridge that much, reminds me of the 2k3 series which is one of my fave looks for them)

[chrisdude]

Originally Posted by Glados

There's been some versions where the TMNT don't have shell-bridges, or what ever it's called. That doesn't mean it's not okay to dislike it due to personal taste... but there's no point in arguing too hard-core about it. It's creatures that's basically turtle anatomy mixed with human anatomy, it doesn't have to be 100% faithful in either direction. Some varying blends is interesting and some will off course hit our own personal tastes better then others, it's only natural. (I'm slightly bias to the new version... I don't mind the lacking shell-bridge that much, reminds me of the 2k3 series which is one of my fave looks for them)

Agreed. Same reasoning applies to the lips and noses, but I don't expect that to stop it from bothering anyone.

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But I agree with Sam. Unless they want rubbery flexible shells that don't look real, the shell and plastron needed to be re-thought for the sake of mobility. The Nick turtles bend all willy-nilly, nobody really cares. But in live-action, people would call foul. Regular people, not just us.

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

i think there is a difference between lips and noses added to a face

and completely changing "someones"/ "somethings" bone structure in favor of looks


i can ignore the faces but the missing shell piece still bothers the crap out of me


its like removing someones rib cage

[MajorViolence]

We're talking about shells in this thread when we could be talking about this:

[Puddinpop]

Originally Posted by chrisdude

Agreed. Same reasoning applies to the lips and noses, but I don't expect that to stop it from bothering anyone.

EDIT______
But I agree with Sam. Unless they want rubbery flexible shells that don't look real, the shell and plastron needed to be re-thought for the sake of mobility. The Nick turtles bend all willy-nilly, nobody really cares. But in live-action, people would call foul. Regular people, not just us.

I also agree with this.. Unfortunately if you understand this concept and defend it your told that your arguments/opinions are...weak. The fact of the matter is that it is what it is. It's not going to change. If you hate it.. fine. If you like it, fine. But it's all a matter of preference. No opinion is superior to another.

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

Originally Posted by AlphaAF

Guardians of the Galaxy looks mad corny to me.

are you just posting to get a rise out of people now?




anyways


i gotta admit i love how groot looks..rocket too but groot look amazing to me

[chrisdude]

The whole "misfit crooks with the chance to do good" thing has been done to death. But so has the typical superhero story. The characters are part of why those stories can be told a hundred times, and these guys look like fun. This kind of story would almost never interest me. But I'll see it.

Plus, I'm somebody who can't skip a Marvel movie for fear of missing something important...

[samxsteal]

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

Okay. How is it attached, and how does it work, how is the PD Turtles Spine and ribcage functional?

Why does it look more realistic, when the shell isn't anything remotely close to any turtles and is an impossibility. Especially when there are such thing as turtles with a more flexible shell, an entire family of turtles: Trionychidae. And they still have their shell bridges, cause the shell bridge isn't some weird attachment that can just be removed, it is a part of the turtle's ribcage, the ribcage of a turtle is a part of the shell.

As some one else said They just need to be re worked Im sorry you disagree There would be no Physical way in which Ninja turtle would really be able to function.

Originally Posted by GrapeSoda

Sam, that's a WEAK argument, and you know it.

The suits with segmented shells were for the stunt performers to allow a bit more ease of movement. These are full body, animatronic, costumes we're talking about.

In this new film, the turtles are 100% CGI. There is NO need to take the actor into account (i'm not even getting into possible likenesses in the turtles faces to the actors portraying them) when the ENTIRE turtle we'll see on screen is created in a computer. Donnie's proton pack and multiple sets of head phones, Mikey's shell necklace and shades, Leo's armor.....EVERYTHING is drawn digitally in a computer.

It is No Seriously Its on thing to have a completely non flexible Shell become pretty much silly puddy while moving in a cartoon, it another to try and pull off the same thing in s live action movie. Why would they add these things to the costumes For added mobility right then why not make something more Mobile in a newer version. Its not a weak argument its just an argument you dont agree with.

Originally Posted by Glados

There's been some versions where the TMNT don't have shell-bridges, or what ever it's called. That doesn't mean it's not okay to dislike it due to personal taste... but there's no point in arguing too hard-core about it. It's creatures that's basically turtle anatomy mixed with human anatomy, it doesn't have to be 100% faithful in either direction. Some varying blends is interesting and some will off course hit our own personal tastes better then others, it's only natural. (I'm slightly bias to the new version... I don't mind the lacking shell-bridge that much, reminds me of the 2k3 series which is one of my fave looks for them)

Seriously There are countless versions of turtle with and with out shell Bridges.

Originally Posted by chrisdude

Agreed. Same reasoning applies to the lips and noses, but I don't expect that to stop it from bothering anyone.

EDIT______
But I agree with Sam. Unless they want rubbery flexible shells that don't look real, the shell and plastron needed to be re-thought for the sake of mobility. The Nick turtles bend all willy-nilly, nobody really cares. But in live-action, people would call foul. Regular people, not just us.

Exactly

Originally Posted by The Boston Ninja Turtle

i think there is a difference between lips and noses added to a face

and completely changing "someones"/ "somethings" bone structure in favor of looks


i can ignore the faces but the missing shell piece still bothers the crap out of me


its like removing someones rib cage

In favor of realism and emotion yes im sorry and thats the reasoning behind these changes I haven't ever seen a more emotive, expressive turtle then i have with these new designs

Originally Posted by MajorViolence

We're talking about shells in this thread when we could be talking about this:

http://i.imgur.com/9nrvUTt.gif

Because this is a Thread for tmnt movie discussion if this is solely for Discussion on GOTG then it should be moved to it appropriate section of the board the
http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/forumdisplay.php?f=26

Originally Posted by Puddinpop

I also agree with this.. Unfortunately if you understand this concept and defend it your told that your arguments/opinions are...weak. The fact of the matter is that it is what it is. It's not going to change. If you hate it.. fine. If you like it, fine. But it's all a matter of preference. No opinion is superior to another.

Yup that about sums it up

Originally Posted by chrisdude

The whole "misfit crooks with the chance to do good" thing has been done to death. But so has the typical superhero story. The characters are part of why those stories can be told a hundred times, and these guys look like fun. This kind of story would almost never interest me. But I'll see it.

Plus, I'm somebody who can't skip a Marvel movie for fear of missing something important...

I What sucks Is a can be excited for both movie like its some Hieratic type thinking to think both can succeed

Originally Posted by AlphaAF

Um, no it's literally just my opinion.

Blasphemy*



*sarcasm lol

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

Originally Posted by AlphaAF

Apparently on a NINJA TURTLE forum I say I'm not interested in Guardians of the Galaxy and I'm insinuated as "trying to get a rise out of people" or trolling, simply for stating my opinion.

Same guy routinely moans, and belittles the upcoming new big screen adaptation of the ninja turtles.

actually you said it was :corny as hell"....so hence why i asked if you were just posting to get a rise out of people...that is a very in your face statement

my apologies, never said you couldnt voice an opinion but you gave a blunt statement with no reasoning why

also i haven't belittled the movie, infact i've given many points i do like,and explained in detail why i don't like certain things..but since i seem to be not someone who prises this thing till i'm blue in the face i am a hater..hence why i don't really post here any more




BUT ANYWAYS: dont care wont respond to after this


...excited for this movie, will see both, been saying that since the start, but compared to what i have seen i have to agree and say i think GOTG won the month

[Puddinpop]

Originally Posted by AlphaAF

They're like giant episodic TV serials but on the big screen. Cap WS felt like a bigger budgeted version of Agents of Shield to me. With heightened tv caliber production, and low amounts of risk taking adaptation art sensibilities. Like these films come off an assembly line or something. One's a giant commercial just for the next one to me unfortunately. They lack an organic, interesting self contained quality to them. That's why besides uninteresting characters, or iconic mythos this is a pass for me. I don't want to support a hype machine that has people overrating the quality merely because they've invested so much in all the other attached mini franchises under the Marvel Studios umbrella.

Well put. I really liked the first trailer.. but after watching the second one I felt less excited. I don't really get it either.. I understand that it's a marvel film. But saying either one will destroy the other is pure fanaticism. I've been guilty of it in the past.. I felt the need to defend my favorite franchise after watching others totally dismiss it. In reality.. no one knows which film will out perform the other. They both have potential. But to count out TMNT? to just dismiss it outright?

[Candy Kappa]

Originally Posted by samxsteal

As some one else said They just need to be re worked Im sorry you disagree There would be no Physical way in which Ninja turtle would really be able to function.

It is No Seriously Its on thing to have a completely non flexible Shell become pretty much silly puddy while moving in a cartoon, it another to try and pull off the same thing in s live action movie. Why would they add these things to the costumes For added mobility right then why not make something more Mobile in a newer version. Its not a weak argument its just an argument you dont agree with.

And yet, I've given examples of turtles that have a flexible shell, even a flexible bridge.

[Zulithe]

Still amuses me that they literally showed Rocket adjusting his crotch... in a movie trailer of all things :p