New Issue of Entertainment Weekly to feature TMNT...amongst other things

[Puddinpop]

Maybe they only had so much page space? I don't know probably not but it might be a reason why

[Xav]

BTW, I have the magazine and the articles only one page. I could probably scan it if anyone's interested.

[electric_sheep]

So what they are saying is that their version is better than any other version because they are bigerer and betterer than previous versions and i love how they took efort to find the crapiest image of every incarnation to make the new ones look better...

[Sumac]

Prefer the scaled up size of the turtles for ninja action, on superhero steroids.

Considering that those ideas directly contradict each other...you must be fan of milk and cucumbers, don't you?

[Galactus]

Originally Posted by AlphaAF

Why is increased physical abilities ramping up marital arts action contradicting to one another? They can still be crazy physical specimen while simultaneously being skillful marital artists. Your complaint makes no sense.

Strictly speaking when people think of ninjas, they think stealth, agility, ability to conceal ones self and so on. Obviously it's harder to imagine rather large "hulk-like" figures doing this, especially if they are loaded with tons of accessories which would make it difficult.

Obviously with cgi creatures they can be as agile as they want to make them regardless of how big they are. Same with Mike's chains and Leo's bamboo armor and Don's machinery. None of it will make a noise and certainly like Raph's magic shades will never fall off because it's not really there.

That doesn't really stop people from looking at it and thinking "hmm that doesn't seem quite right".

[electric_sheep]

Originally Posted by AlphaAF

Why is increased physical abilities ramping up marital arts action contradicting to one another? They can still be crazy physical specimen while simultaneously being skillful marital artists. Your complaint makes no sense.

This is what a martial artistists body looks like

this is what these turtles look like

[slingtheory]

Originally Posted by AlphaAF

Why is increased physical abilities ramping up marital arts action contradicting to one another? They can still be crazy physical specimen while simultaneously being skillful marital artists. Your complaint makes no sense.

to me the appeal of stories with martial artist characters has always been the underdog factor with them having to use skill and will to overcome greater odds whether its being outnumbered or outmatched in some way like size or strength. that's what makes their battles thrilling to watch. but when the good guys look as big and strong as they do here all the tension is gone. Seriously what normal human is going to stand a chance against a highly trained creature of hulking stature who can apparently crush a vehicle under his weight?

[electric_sheep]

Originally Posted by AlphaAF

Martial arts is a skill, not a body type. Increased size, strength, agility, quickness, speed, leaping ability will only amplify their martial arts action on screen. As we briefly saw with Leos super super somersault leap off the water tower.

You are missing my point Garry, they are suposed to be Ninjas, not body builders, Martial Artist and Body builders have completly diferent body types, one has small but well defined and lean body while other is just blown up like a ballon, it's way easier to move if you have a smaller body. Of course they can move unristricted when you do them in CG but it looks completly unnatura when you look at the way they are designed. Maybe they have full prison style weight lifting gear down in the sewers and pump their muscles every day, who knows...

[graphic_content]

Originally Posted by electric_sheep

This is what a martial artistists body looks like
http://warriorfitness.org/wp-content.../Bruce-Lee.png
this is what these turtles look like
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_gDxvnRPYqh...400/arnold.jpg

ELECTRIC - bro, I've been a martial artist all my life, and I've seen body types ranging from Bruce Lee skinny, to Arnold ripped. Can muscles impede you ability to be flexible, and agile? Sure...but only if you focus on building muscles for size and show, not practical, functional muscles. Being ripped doesn't mean you can't move swiftly.

But this doesn't really matter because the turtles are cg characters, that move anyway they animators please, lol, regardless of size. Move puppet, move.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by graphic_content

ELECTRIC - bro, I've been a martial artist all my life, and I've seen body types ranging from Bruce Lee skinny, to Arnold ripped. Can muscles impede you ability to be flexible, and agile? Sure...but only if you focus on building muscles for size and show, not practical, functional muscles. Being ripped doesn't mean you can't move swiftly.

But this doesn't really matter because the turtles are cg characters, that move anyway they animators please, lol, regardless of size. Move puppet, move.

The Avengers could have made the Hulk do backflips and sumersaults if they wanted, but they didn't because they knew it would look stupid and fake.

We know the TMNT are gonna be CGI. We know they're basically cartoon characters cut and pasted to interact with Fitchner and Megan.

The thing is, when you watch the movie, you're not supposed to know it's fake. You're supposed to lose yourself into the movie and just go with it. That'll be hard to do if we giant-sized two-ton Turtles somehow able to do backflips and cartwheels. The obvious fakeness of it all will take us out of it and distract us from the movie.

[pdizzle]

Originally Posted by Xav

BTW, I have the magazine and the articles only one page. I could probably scan it if anyone's interested.

If its possible bro could i get a copy of that from you??

[JonesyKitty]

Originally Posted by pdizzle

If its possible bro could i get a copy of that from you??

I would also be interested in reading a scan if possible

[Candy Kappa]

Originally Posted by electric_sheep

This is what a martial artistists body looks like
http://warriorfitness.org/wp-content.../Bruce-Lee.png
this is what these turtles look like
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_gDxvnRPYqh...400/arnold.jpg

Interestingly, my sword art instructor told our class once, that the bigger muscles you had, the harder it would be to do a lot of the techniques in our sword style correct, as it involves a lot of "making yourself a smaller target", keeping arms close to your body, stand I a certain way to not show your entire body etc.

[Puddinpop]

Originally Posted by The Boston Ninja Turtle

Lions and Tigers are cats...it fits in the same logic of looking at other reptiles

i mean if they are just going to use other reptiles as reference why even make them turtles?




no sam it is the same..if i was going to build a lion puppet, i look up pictures of Lions.....i don't just use my cat as a reference be cause they are both feline

if i was going to build a wolf puppet i wouldnt use my dog just because they are both canine..i would look up pics of a wolf


if someone is going to design a turtle they should never have checked the reptile section past turtle..the are almost countless versions of turtle species they could already use as reference

hell i do it when i make my custumes...my cosplay shell is a combination of Sea, Tortoise, and Slider

Yea but I think people are kind of taking that and running in the wrong direction with it. Yea they looked at a bunch of skin and textures of different reptiles for "inspiration" but it doesn't mean that they went with anything other than the skin/texture of a turtle. Bc it seems obvious to me at least that they went with a " turtle texture" like skin. People were even saying that Donnie had acne when it was clearly turtle-like skin., scales. I just think that this is another interview that is being taken out of context. But on the other hand, people haven't seen it in it's entirety yet so it's understandable.

Originally Posted by Sumac

Considering that those ideas directly contradict each other...you must be fan of milk and cucumbers, don't you?

No.. they don't actually. I no it's become common place around here to assume that just bc you're a large person or creature means that you can't be a ninja. Yea being tiny or small in some cases would be beneficial. But it's not essential.. it's not required. Ninjas were trained assassins. Size has nothing to do with it really, Skill and awareness of your surroundings.. that is what's important. I'm not pointing the finger at you personally but I understand that some will do back flips and jump threw hoops to invalidate this film in every way. Some of it being totally unjustified blatant stupidity. Another thing I keep hearing people say is " Umm.. the Foot are a clan of ninja thieves, and? " I hate you Bay for turning them into a black ops team with guns." Smh... It's painful to read some of the crap being said lol. For one this movie doesn't take place in feudal Japan. I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure it does not. and from what I've read.. The Foot had ray guns back in the 80's.. not one peep about that though. But sense it's Bay lets throw it out lol. This is the 21st century and imho I think they look the way Foot SOLDIERS should. A ninja IS a mercenary.

A little passage from wiki:

The ninja were stealth soldiers and mercenaries hired mostly by daimyos.[45] Their primary roles were those of espionage and sabotage, although assassinations were also attributed to ninja. In battle, the ninja could also be used to cause confusion amongst the enemy.[46] A degree of psychological warfare in the capturing of enemy banners can be seen illustrated in the Ōu Eikei Gunki, composed between the 16th and 17th centuries:

I know I'm wondering off topic again and I apologize. But back to what I was saying before. Size has nothing to do with being a ninja. It is all in how you carry/handle yourself and how aware you are of your surroundings. If you've mastered your environment and are skilled enough to use it to your advantage to achieve stealth and misconception then size will not be an issue imo. I remember seeing in the beginning of the TMNT trailer the turtles taking out the foot from within the shadows. I think we're definitely getting the " ninja " in Ninja Turtle.

[Candy Kappa]

The issue with the Foot, for me at least is that TMNT have a very unusual style portraying the Foot Clan's "ninja uniform" that we (at least I) haven't seen in any previous depictions before in fiction. It's "always" been the mono (usually black) dogi with the atypical mask.

The bug-eyed Foot is so unique, I think it'd would have been a great add-on to a movie franchise of having very recognizable enemies, like the Stormtroopers in Star Wars. The PD Foot Soldiers, look very generic military, save the grimy kabuki mask. Even the Foot Soldier action figure looks like a generic soldier GI Joe toy.

[Glados]

Originally Posted by Puddinpop

Yea but I think people are kind of taking that and running in the wrong direction with it. Yea they looked at a bunch of skin and textures of different reptiles for "inspiration" but it doesn't mean that they went with anything other than the skin/texture of a turtle. Bc it seems obvious to me at least that they went with a " turtle texture" like skin.

I don't get why people are arguing about this at this point at all. We've seen the skin textures and they actually look great and are among the things that most people seem totally happy with. So what if they "looked" at other stuff when they were working on it, it's the end result that counts and in this specific case it turned out good.

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

The issue with the Foot, for me at least is that TMNT have a very unusual style portraying the Foot Clan's "ninja uniform" that we (at least I) haven't seen in any previous depictions before in fiction. It's "always" been the mono (usually black) dogi with the atypical mask.

The bug-eyed Foot is so unique, I think it'd would have been a great add-on to a movie franchise of having very recognizable enemies, like the Stormtroopers in Star Wars. The PD Foot Soldiers, look very generic military, save the grimy kabuki mask. Even the Foot Soldier action figure looks like a generic soldier GI Joe toy.

I agree about this. I was a bit disappointed and still am that we won't get foot soldiers with much recognizable traits (appearance wise) from any of the previous incarnations. They wear black... and cover their faces, that's about all the similarities there is and it could be applied to x number of villains in various franchises! Had a fan been shown these foot soldiers a year ago without any context they wouldn't have a clue what they were looking at.

Originally Posted by Fjaj

To me at least, the past designs never seemed to look much like turtles at all, at least in their faces. However, they still looked really good and were overall great designs. Although these new designs are much more human looking, they don't appear to be less turtles looking. Although I would definitely prefer more traditional designs (like the artist whose art I am using for my avatar), I do not find these designs ugly, although I definitely can see how some could find them ugly.

Very true. More human looking then the 90's turtles: Yes. Less turtle-looking then the 90's turtle: No. The Henson suits looked more like frogs or gecko's or something in the faces, but it's what people were used to from the Fred Wolf cartoon and comics too, so it still completely reasonable to be needing a bit of time to get used to new version (and some probably never will)

[slingtheory]

Originally Posted by Puddinpop

No.. they don't actually. I no it's become common place around here to assume that just bc you're a large person or creature means that you can't be a ninja. Yea being tiny or small in some cases would be beneficial. But it's not essential.. it's not required. Ninjas were trained assassins. Size has nothing to do with it really, Skill and awareness of your surroundings.. that is what's important. I'm not pointing the finger at you personally but I understand that some will do back flips and jump threw hoops to invalidate this film in every way. Some of it being totally unjustified blatant stupidity. Another thing I keep hearing people say is " Umm.. the Foot are a clan of ninja thieves, and? " I hate you Bay for turning them into a black ops team with guns." Smh... It's painful to read some of the crap being said lol. For one this movie doesn't take place in feudal Japan. I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure it does not. and from what I've read.. The Foot had ray guns back in the 80's.. not one peep about that though. But sense it's Bay lets throw it out lol. This is the 21st century and imho I think they look the way Foot SOLDIERS should. A ninja IS a mercenary.

A little passage from wiki:



I know I'm wondering off topic again and I apologize. But back to what I was saying before. Size has nothing to do with being a ninja. It is all in how you carry/handle yourself and how aware you are of your surroundings. If you've mastered your environment and are skilled enough to use it to your advantage to achieve stealth and misconception then size will not be an issue imo. I remember seeing in the beginning of the TMNT trailer the turtles taking out the foot from within the shadows. I think we're definitely getting the " ninja " in Ninja Turtle.

I agree with you that there isn't really a size reqiurement to be a ninja but the thing is that being bigger and larger than an average man would without question make it more difficult and for that reason it seems like an odd route to go in. The fact is that the turtles as they are usually depicted would have an easier time being stealthy and staying out of sight than these scaled up versions would. And I don't think you can really campare this version of the foot to the ones in the original cartoon because of course there would be no complaints against that depiction seeing as the audience were kids who were just being introduced to the concept and had nothing to compare it to. If id have been old enough to know about the source material I don't think id have been fond of the robots with ray guns idea either. Plus I barely remember the foot bots being used all the much in the series anyway. I think they were mostly regulated to the games after the first season.

[Sewer Sirens Podcast]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

The Avengers could have made the Hulk do backflips and sumersaults if they wanted, but they didn't because they knew it would look stupid and fake.

Or maybe they didn't have Hulk do backflips and summersaults because he's never been know for that. He's 'Hulk smash' not 'Hulk flip', so the reason they didn't have him doing those things in the movie isn't because they thought it would look fake, but because Hulk isn't a trained gymnast or martial artist.

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

The issue with the Foot, for me at least is that TMNT have a very unusual style portraying the Foot Clan's "ninja uniform" that we (at least I) haven't seen in any previous depictions before in fiction. It's "always" been the mono (usually black) dogi with the atypical mask.

The bug-eyed Foot is so unique, I think it'd would have been a great add-on to a movie franchise of having very recognizable enemies, like the Stormtroopers in Star Wars. The PD Foot Soldiers, look very generic military, save the grimy kabuki mask. Even the Foot Soldier action figure looks like a generic soldier GI Joe toy.

Originally Posted by Glados

I agree about this. I was a bit disappointed and still am that we won't get foot soldiers with much recognizable traits (appearance wise) from any of the previous incarnations. They wear black... and cover their faces, that's about all the similarities there is and it could be applied to x number of villains in various franchises! Had a fan been shown these foot soldiers a year ago without any context they wouldn't have a clue what they were looking at.

Yeah ...

[samxsteal]

Originally Posted by Sewer Sirens Podcast

Or m[IMG]z[/IMG]aybe they didn't have Hulk do backflips and summersaults because he's never been know for that. He's 'Hulk smash' not 'Hulk flip', so the reason they didn't have him doing those things in the movie isn't because they thought it would look fake, but because Hulk isn't a trained gymnast or martial artist.





Yeah ...

Come on ^_^

Just that alone looks awesome to me at least

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

Originally Posted by Sewer Sirens Podcast

Or maybe they didn't have Hulk do backflips and summersaults because he's never been know for that. He's 'Hulk smash' not 'Hulk flip', so the reason they didn't have him doing those things in the movie isn't because they thought it would look fake, but because Hulk isn't a trained gymnast or martial artist.

And yet in this film they have Raph...well...'Raph Smash' & destroy an Armored Humvee. I don't think Raphael has ever been known for doing that stuff.

Breaking down a door or even a weakened wall? That'd be one thing. This? Just silly and a completely different matter.